Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

[Harmony Ltd.]

Paypal, and Somber's email address is at the end of every chapters.

[Kippershy]

My work doesn't deserve to motivate others. My work only deserves to be forgotten about.

Again, what did we say about the whole 'self-loathing' thing, BlackJack Kipper ?

That it's healthy?

[Harmony Ltd.]

*combo facepalm plus groan*

Look, we're going to have to get other this again...

Do you know that saying about poisons and dosage ?

[Kippershy]

Nope, not heard that one actually.
And now I worry if we're just cloggin' up the thread now.

[Harmony Ltd.]

Well, it's been a slow few weeks anyway and I guess it can serve other people as well ? I don't fucking know...

Anyway, basically the saying goes like this :

"The dose makes the poison"

Which in this particular case mean that to not like some things about yourself is perfectly fine and normal in reasonable amounts, and that this can and should be a drive for self improvement ;

But when this reach a level where you hate yourself, when you feel you are worthless ? You're poisoning yourself. It's only destructive, and nothing good can come of it.

I guess what I'm saying is, I dunno, break the circle and learn to love yourself or some cheesy cliché shit like that ?

[Kippershy]

Well, you have a good point, on every part of that. Still..

I can't love myself. Accept myself? Sure. But especially with my work, until I've rewritten / reformatted all of the early chapters until they're all to the same standard, it'll be seen as crap.

[Derpmind]

Well, you have a good point, on every part of that. Still..

I can't love myself. Accept myself? Sure. But especially with my work, until I've rewritten / reformatted all of the early chapters until they're all to the same standard, it'll be seen as crap.

That you can improve things should only help you drive yourself. Just because things could/should be better doesn't mean that you should let yourself devalue what you already have. You have one muffin in hoof and two muffins in the bush. What you should do is eat the muffin in your hoof first, then attack the bush monster that stole your muffin horde.

[Harmony Ltd.]

Well, sure Kipper. *laugh*

I just meant that as a general advice, to be honest. Can't expect everything to be fixed forever just by going "lalala I'm AWESOME". I think we all know this isn't how things work. *laugh*

Just gotta balance all that emotional stuff, is all I'm saying.



(by the way, can we have a set of decent smiley which don't force me to literally write "*laugh*", "*smile*", "*frown*", and other basic emotions like that ?)

[Harmony Ltd.]

your muffin horde

*writhes on the floor frothing at the mouth*

It's spelled "hoard"

[Kippershy]

My work doesn't deserve to motivate others. My work only deserves to be forgotten about.

Heh, "deserves".
You wouldn't write it if you didn't find value in it, and people wouldn't read it if it wasn't worth their time.

I know, I know. I do find value in it and I do think there's more potential in the story than I can successfully make of it, but things like the beginning chapters being rough as all hell and some of the choices I've made through it all weren't the best and could have been handled a lot better by others.
I don't see how others find it good enough to love it like they do or find it motivating when all I see is ways I could improve it, ways I've failed it and the future for it which I doubt I could live up to / earn for it because I simply don't see myself as skilled enough to give it what it deserves.

Well, you have a good point, on every part of that. Still..

I
can't love myself. Accept myself? Sure. But especially with my work,
until I've rewritten / reformatted all of the early chapters until
they're all to the same standard, it'll be seen as crap.

That
you can improve things should only help you drive yourself. Just
because things could/should be better doesn't mean that you should let
yourself devalue what you already have. You have one muffin in hoof and
two muffins in the bush. What you should do is eat the muffin in your
hoof first, then attack the bush monster that stole your muffin horde.

If it's not my best, if it's not the best it could be... it ain't good enough.

Well, sure Kipper. *laugh*

I just meant that as a general advice, to be honest. Can't expect everything to be fixed forever just by going "lalala I'm AWESOME". I think we all know this isn't how things work. *laugh*

Just gotta balance all that emotional stuff, is all I'm saying.



(by the way, can we have a set of decent smiley which don't force me to literally write "*laugh*", "*smile*", "*frown*", and other basic emotions like that ?)

True... true..
but this is me. I just... don't work like normal people.
Besides, why you typing out the smiley commands when you can just click 'em? Or do you not mean the pony smiles?

[Kippershy]

Well, you have a good point, on every part of that. Still..

I can't love myself. Accept myself? Sure. But especially with my work, until I've rewritten / reformatted all of the early chapters until they're all to the same standard, it'll be seen as crap.

You may not be willing to say it in public, but you wouldn't be writing something you hated that much. I know you are happy after each completed chapter and arc, and you love all the feedback you get for it. It's not just that you wouldn't get feedback if it was actually crap, it's that you take the feedback and use it to improve that shows you take pride in your work.
So, to be perfectly honest, I don't believe you really don't value the work you've done; you enjoy your story and you enjoy your characters.

That your work has motivated someone else to write is pretty amazing, and you probably weren't expecting that strong a response to it, but that's a far cry from an earnest belief that you're just wasting your time with it or anything.

I dunno what to say. I mean, you're right. I do take pride in how it brings people joy to read (mostly) and I especially take pride in when people give positive feedback and say character x has done something that they really enjoyed. I don't think I could ever say that I've wasted time with it at all because deep down, I'm in love with it. Probably obsessive over my writing/story and some of that is because how much time and effort I've poured into it (as well as money for artwork, as a side thing) but you're right - it's also because I love the characters themselves.
I imagine it's how Somber feels about Blackjack and co.

Crimson and Cherry are my babies. I love Crimson like a son and Cherry as my daughter. I could never simply give up on them now, though I had my doubts at times before.
I want to give them the best, they deserve more than I can give is my issue.
They deserve more than they've got, definitely.

[Harmony Ltd.]

Besides, why you typing out the smiley commands when you can just click 'em? Or do you not mean the pony smiles?

What I mean is that apart from for "frown" (which frankly is more "disapproving stare" than anything else), there's no smilies in the five thousand available which properly convey "smile", and no one which convey "laugh". At all.

[Caoimhe]

Kips I feel bad about upsetting you so I'm starting Broken Bonds tonight.

[Valikdu]

there's no smilies in the five thousand available which properly convey "smile"

Why so serious?

no one which convey "laugh". At all.

u mad, Harmony?

[Harmony Ltd.]

Heh.

I mean non-creepy, genuine smile, and good spirited laugh.

[thatguyvex]

I had an idea some time back for a tribe of island ponies descended from
the survivors of a fleet that was patrolling off the coast, or possibly
on the way to the zebra lands, when the bonds fell. Once it was clear
that a return home would be impossible, they set out to find a safeish
island within their fuel capacity, then disassembled the ships for parts
and shelter. (In my head one of the castaways was Lieutenant Pipsqueak,
his beloved Dinky likely killed in the apocalypse.) Naturally,
seaborne mutants and such would be a part if their everyday life.

I like the basic premise. I'd upgrade from just one island, to perhaps the survivors finding a whole small chain of islands to settle. Then perhaps there'd be a MoAS lab that was hidden on one of the islands, or underwater between the islands, that was sabotaged by zebra infiltrators. The lab might've been working on things like ways to alter and/or control sea life to use in the war.

Gah, got to stop thinking about this, only have so much brain energy for writing/reading things! Especially now that I apparently am going to be checking out Dark Shores, Ouroboros, and Broken Bonds.

[Meleagridis]

Anybody remember the physical descriptions of the three bucks from the Seahorse? Nails and Clink and whoever?

[Icy Shake]

I'm in a bit of a hurry, so this is all I could get: Clink described in the bridge scene, in Ch. 54 is a brown earth stallion with heavy scarring and a pair-of-hoofcuffs cutie mark. On a quick search, it seems that Nails has never had a physical description, and as far as I can tell we don't know the name or description of the last rapist.

Also, in chapters 47 and 49, "Seahorse" (the only instance in each chapter) isn't italicized.

[O. Hinds]

Hee. Now you know what it's like...

In other news, no luck on the job front. Sick as a dog too, again. I dunno why but everytime I get a bug it hits me like a truck. Right now my skull feels pressurized. Fortunately Sindri donated some money so I could go to the doctor and get some antibiotics before it sets up shop in my lungs.

As far as 56 is concerned... ugh... its a mess. This whole year has been a mess! I wanted the Society to be one chapter and now it's turning into three! It's Hightower all over again. Sigh... I just need the school year over so I can focus on other things...

Three? Yay!
I do hope that things improve for you on the job and health fronts, though; let us know if we can help.

I had an idea some time back for a tribe of island ponies descended from the survivors of a fleet that was patrolling off the coast, or possibly on the way to the zebra lands, when the bonds fell. Once it was clear that a return home would be impossible, they set out to find a safeish island within their fuel capacity, then disassembled the ships for parts and shelter. (In my head one of the castaways was Lieutenant Pipsqueak, his beloved Dinky likely killed in the apocalypse.) Naturally, seaborne mutants and such would be a part if their everyday life.

I had an idea rather like that, only the islanders were descended from the crew of the Last Laugh, Equestria's megaspell submarine intended to keep bombarding locations in the former Pax Roamana for several years after the end of a doomsday megaspell exchange. The submarine was also still functional, sunk in a shallow bay. It's an old idea, though, and I've not worked on it in a while.

By the way, if somebody wanted to donate to Somber, how would one go about that..?

Dona-- Ah, this has already been answered. Feel free to let me know if you need any more help with the process, though.

your muffin horde

*writhes on the floor frothing at the mouth*

It's spelled "hoard"

What, you mean that you've never heard of the great muffin hordes? Scourge of the steppes, conquers of a thousand cities? Masters of eclairback raisinflinging? :D

Also, in chapters 47 and 49, "Seahorse" (the only instance in each chapter) isn't italicized.

Ah, thank you.

[Derpmind]

@FoE ocean setting: So I thought about taking that to the extreme, and I realized: Flood the entire planet! As a setting, 'Waterworld with ponies' could have some interesting stories. Cloud structures and dragon-guarded mountaintops and Lyra the seapony!

What, you mean that you've never heard of the great muffin hordes? Scourge of the steppes, conquers of a thousand cities? Masters of eclairback raisinflinging? :D

This is what mistakes are for! Thank you for being hilarious.

[O. Hinds]

What, you mean that you've never heard of the great muffin hordes? Scourge of the steppes, conquers of a thousand cities? Masters of eclairback raisinflinging? :D

This is what mistakes are for! Thank you for being hilarious.

I try. :)

[Kippershy]

Kips I feel bad about upsetting you so I'm starting Broken Bonds tonight.

You didn't upset me proper. I get annoyed at tunes when people follow the stereotype about 4chan simply because /b/ and a handful of trolls that make it look bad, (which in reality, it's more like Islam - you remember the bad stuff a lot sooner than you remember the mundane or even the good) but I don't actually get upset for more then a minute and then if it even lasts that long, I've already forgotten about it all pretty much.
Don't worry, I don't hold a grudge or nout.

Also, be warned I am rewriting chapter two at the moment so unless you're interested in seeing the horrific state of how I used to write... you'd be best waiting for that. hah.
Though thank you, Caoimbe. It's a lovely gesture that I didn't expect and I really do appreciate you even considering it.

[SilentCarto]

Taint works on the non-living too, right? Would boats floating through tainted waters have a tendency to slowly transform into cottage cheese or some such?

Not so much. It's slippery stuff, in that it will eventually infiltrate, eat through, or leak out of anything you use to contain it or filter it out. Remember the barrels in Maripony? It didn't perform chaos on them so much as just corrode them away.

Here's my headcanon: Tricks like changing a cloud into cotton candy, reversing gravity, or making corn pop on the cob are a sort of "directed" or "focused" form of chaos. It's breaking natural law, but it's breaking it all in the same way over a large area. Taint, on the other hoof, is "unfocused". It doesn't perform the same change at the same time on adjacent particles in an inanimate object. Instead, it's more like... one atom turns into oxygen, another becomes antimatter, another teleports three inches to the left. That's why it affects biological systems more like a traditional mutagen than the sort of coherent changes Discord performed on the animals in his two appearances.

your muffin horde

*writhes on the floor frothing at the mouth*

It's spelled "hoard"

Unless it's an army of sentient spork-wielding muffins laying seige to Canterlot.
Only one mare can save us now...

[tylertoon2]

So uh. Any news on progress? Haven't heard anything from Somber is quite a while.

[O. Hinds]

So uh. Any news on progress? Haven't heard anything from Somber is quite a while.

In this thread on the thirtieth of May:

Hee. Now you know what it's like...

In other news, no luck on the job front. Sick as a dog too, again. I dunno why but everytime I get a bug it hits me like a truck. Right now my skull feels pressurized. Fortunately Sindri donated some money so I could go to the doctor and get some antibiotics before it sets up shop in my lungs.

As far as 56 is concerned... ugh... its a mess. This whole year has been a mess! I wanted the Society to be one chapter and now it's turning into three! It's Hightower all over again. Sigh... I just need the school year over so I can focus on other things...

[tylertoon2]

So uh. Any news on progress? Haven't heard anything from Somber is quite a while.

In this thread on the thirtieth of May:

Hee. Now you know what it's like...

In other news, no luck on the job front. Sick as a dog too, again. I dunno why but everytime I get a bug it hits me like a truck. Right now my skull feels pressurized. Fortunately Sindri donated some money so I could go to the doctor and get some antibiotics before it sets up shop in my lungs.

As far as 56 is concerned... ugh... its a mess. This whole year has been a mess! I wanted the Society to be one chapter and now it's turning into three! It's Hightower all over again. Sigh... I just need the school year over so I can focus on other things...

Oh sorry. Must have gotten muttled up with all the other stuff.

[Icy Shake]

And now for something completely different: I actually read Chapter Eleven (now with more booze (both for me and in the chapter (but I didn't castrate anyone while reading it)!)).

Chapter 11 Editing:

Other Editing Matters:

[O. Hinds]

And now for something completely different: I actually read Chapter Eleven (now with more booze (both for me and in the chapter (but I didn't castrate anyone while reading it)!)).

Chapter 11 Editing:

Other Editing Matters:

Ah, thank you very much.

Standardize possessives of nouns ending with an "s." Which way are you going with it?

We're supposed to use the American style. I've corrected the ones that you've pointed out here.

[Meleagridis]

I'm seeing more edits than that. Why'd all these chapters get the touch-up today? Someone have too much time on their hands?

[O. Hinds]

I'm seeing more edits than that. Why'd all these chapters get the touch-up today? Someone have too much time on their hands?

I'm not sure what you're seeing, I'm afraid; my instruments indicate that I'm the only one to have edited PH today so far, and I've only worked from that post by Icy Shake.

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