Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

[O. Hinds]

Reloading would be awkward with hooves, but I've yet to see a non-automated design where that wasn't true.

What about my idea of moving the gun to the magazines instead of vice versa?

[Ironmonger]

I just got this interesting train of thought. Perhaps I'm looking in the wrong place for weapons to integrate into the FoE-verse; since Fallout is set in the 50's perhaps I should be looking at stuff from the Cold War era. Mane exception to this being the Maxim MG and Browning designs I wanted to integrate since they're so reliable and sexy.

[Cptadder]

I just got this interesting train of thought. Perhaps I'm looking in the wrong place for weapons to integrate into the FoE-verse; since Fallout is set in the 50's perhaps I should be looking at stuff from the Cold War era. Mane exception to this being the Maxim MG and Browning designs I wanted to integrate since they're so reliable and sexy.

Pretty much FoE is a mix of stuff from WWI to Vietnam, I've made the point before is that you should look at WWII and Korean War designs not caseless future weapons.

Also reloading magazines is easy without hands. Take a harness with forward pointing ammo block, slam the gun into the pony chest to push the magazine in, then add a big mechanical pull that can be gripped one hoofed to draw back towards the body. Ever seen some of the self reloading crossbow designs? If you have you might get what I'm pushing.

OAN my first post from my all put together big giant desk, now to celebrate by taking a nap.

[Frost]

Reloading would require a large, lever-like mag release and a magazine suited to being gripped between the hoof and fetlock. With those bases covered, it's no harder than for humans, assuming the pony has a tactical rig to keep the mags close at hoof

[O. Hinds]

Reloading would require a large, lever-like mag release and a magazine suited to being gripped between the hoof and fetlock. With those bases covered, it's no harder than for humans, assuming the pony has a tactical rig to keep the mags close at hoof

What do you think of my design for the Miliozi 10mm SMG?

[Ironmonger]

I know you asked Frost and not me, but as far as I can tell (I'm a bit thinking-impaired right now) the design is solid. I'm curious as to how much the design weighs, rate of fire, and barrel length.

[O. Hinds]

I know you asked Frost and not me, but as far as I can tell (I'm a bit thinking-impaired right now) the design is solid. I'm curious as to how much the design weighs, rate of fire, and barrel length.

No idea. Sorry. To tell the truth, I sort of glazed/skimmed over your long firearms discussion in the same way that some people apparently gaze/skim over my engineering discussions.

[Ironmonger]

I'd be a hypocrite if I were upset hehe. Reason I asked is because the barrel length affects range and to an extent accuracy, weight is a problem only because it's being held with your mouth and a lighter gun can be swung around much faster of course. Too fast of a rate of fire might cause the design to malfunction or break altogether, can't prove that but I have a gut feeling. To be honest I'm not as knowledgeable as Frost when it comes to guns but I'm close.

[Kattlarv]

@Iron: (Dew) There's a "post apoc" and a "wasteland" version of her. Former a gynecologist, similar to me in a dozen ways. The later a nervous wreck constantly used non-con by her marefriend. And also included in my main FoE campaign for my FoE-RPG... when I get around to it xD Funnily enough, despite being my "main" character, I more like how the other two of her party turned out. Ah well, things go in fun directions at times. And replying to stuff is like, half of what I do, or 90 % of what I do when I am not making a rant or chapter review xD Anyhow, the first one actually has a tumblr with a ... or actually, I think her other tumblr might have been removed when the artist quit their main tumblr... no, they were still okay it seems :P Will make a copy off all those drawings though haha. Some of the ones with Dew got lost, but eh... it was one of my fav ones though. Had her (seen from the side) pointing between the flanks of her sister going "Hey! I know what all those parts are called!" and then *poof, cutie mark* xD Blog was only mostly canon though hehe. I am trailing off again :P But yeah, overall carefree, "totally sane" and well... me xP Don't think that says overly much, but eh...

@Kipper: Other than mentioning I actually did some talking about you behind you back, I was just messing around with the rest I said. No ill intent meant :3
So yeah, I actually didn't mean anything when I said anything. (bar from mentioning random pointless info) Was just joking.
(Second post) Hehe, it was nothing "harmful" as said xD (similar to the "I saw Bob yesterday" mention one can make, since then you "talked about Bob" ;P) I only mentioned it since I was quite sure it'd make you curious and ponder about it, even possibly guess about what it was hehe.

@Camo: (rant)

Spoiler:

@Wave: It's fine, just need a quick check up on it. Going with how you drew what I'll use for thumbnail for it you make a plausible candidate to wanting to read it xD
And thanks for the concern, but as said, we've shown worse before xP
And yeah, I really hate needles. But was strangely calm yesterday.

@Swicked: (Dewflower) Eyuup xP It's a version of it. Current one I decided on after that was made is a modified version of Redhearts. Hearts changed for gender symbols, and a heart in the middle of the cross.
And why do people see it as "that far"? It's a totally legit occupation xD

@Frost: (Dewflower) Well du'h, her name is more or less a word pun ;D

@EP: And goodies, I made sure to not check something that might tick me off before I finish writing. I know I've said it before, but I'm really on a roll today, I might actually for once make it today! Then I could go and be disappointed by what my supposed friends make.

@Iron: Well, du'h, she is one x3

@Frost: What about "There's/No such thing as "overkill"."? xP Or with the inscription "For the general who doesn't believe in overkill"

@Katarn: Quite like that concept.

@Frost: (Gun) Don't you know anything about Fallout? One size fits all xD This includes weapons, armour, fake moustaches...

[Ironmonger]

...I feel like the world's dumbest genius right now. X)

"For the general who doesn't believe in overkill"

I guess that's a general truth...yeah I'm probably going to be murdered in my sleep for that one...

[Admiral Stoic Rum]

Who wants to have my pony baby?

[Frost]

Reloading would require a large, lever-like mag release and a magazine suited to being gripped between the hoof and fetlock. With those bases covered, it's no harder than for humans, assuming the pony has a tactical rig to keep the mags close at hoof

What do you think of my design for the Miliozi 10mm SMG?

I like it. With a heavy bolt and stiff spring (to regulate fire rate) it would be a great close combat weapon. With a helical or drum magazine for maximum compactness, it would be be the best of every world

If it had a magic-augmented sight that automatically lined up the sights with the users eye (a necessity, as I mentione earlier) than you just might have a working pony gun.

@rape:

I feel ya there, bro. At this point, it's just cliched.

[Ironmonger]

Who wants to have my pony baby?

...Must be past-tense because I think Admiral just might be drunk.

[IncoherentOrange]

Instant evil, just add rape. It's over-used as a story element to the point of near-ubiquity in settings such as this (the only post-apocalyptic story I've seen without it is Metro, I think, and what a damn good story that was.) I'll never use it, though. (I have a number of self-imposed restrictions in my writing. This is one of the less odd.)

[Ironmonger]

One of my favorite things to do in writing is penalize the readers for not paying attention to someone or something. Lots of use of the Chekhov's Gun, Red Herring, and Nothing Is Scarier.

EDIT: That last part is a bit of a nonsense-maker but it's still fun.

[IncoherentOrange]

I have a tendency for using literal Chekhov's Guns. It's kinda fun to use them.

Spoiler:

Things I won't be able to use in fanfic comfortably include romance, of all things, and comedy. I can't do a story with a major component being of each, and usually avoid both (with exceptions for the latter, but nothing is ever for the rule of funny, well, except for that one thing).

[Kippershy]

@Kipper: Other than mentioning I actually did some talking about you behind you back, I was just messing around with the rest I said. No ill intent meant :3
So yeah, I actually didn't mean anything when I said anything. (bar from mentioning random pointless info) Was just joking.
(Second post) Hehe, it was nothing "harmful" as said xD (similar to the "I saw Bob yesterday" mention one can make, since then you "talked about Bob" ;P) I only mentioned it since I was quite sure it'd make you curious and ponder about it, even possibly guess about what it was hehe.

You are evil and I am drunk after a wonderful night out. Damn you woman.

[Frost]

Fun Fact: despite their popular representations, Mongols, Norsemen, Knights Templar and Romans rather refrained from the whole "rape, pillage and burn" thing. Looting was done in an organized manner, they didn't burn anything useful, and relatively new evidence suggests that women were generally considered "off-limits". That's not to say it didn't happen, but it definitely wasn't part of their standard MO and the officers/leaders stopped it whenever they could.

[Ketchup]

Fun Fact: despite their popular representations, Mongols, Norsemen, Knights Templar and Romans rather refrained from the whole "rape, pillage and burn" thing. Looting was done in an organized manner, they didn't burn anything useful, and relatively new evidence suggests that women were generally considered "off-limits". That's not to say it didn't happen, but it definitely wasn't part of their standard MO and the officers/leaders stopped it whenever they could.

While I knew the Knights Templar and the Romans didn't, I have never learned enough about the other two to make a determination on them regarding such behavior.

[Kippershy]

Of course. anyone who buys into all that is a fucking moron.

Raping only makes the locals hate you more, meaning a much higher chance of revolt if you decide to try and control the lands.
On top of that, a pregnant woman takes up a lot more resources than she provides and thus is a bad idea.

As for the pillaging and burning, same reason really. If you take and/or destroy everything that the locals have, you ruin their efficiency in workforce and thus only screw yourself over. You're better off letting them keep what they have and taking tribute of what they produce than going for the short term benefit.


The Romans especially saw themselves as a very civilised crew with their high end military tactics (even by today's standards, the legions of Italy were highly trained and disciplined.) and thus they wouldn't have wanted any trouble with the locals that could be avoid so they could keep a steady hold and show that they really were the way of progress.




Also, I'd like to say that five drinks, big mac & a 3 piece chicken meal go well on a night out.

[Ironmonger]

You are evil and I am drunk after a wonderful night out. Damn you woman.

You are drunk, go to bed Britain.

[Guest]

Fun Fact: despite their popular representations, Mongols, Norsemen, Knights Templar and Romans rather refrained from the whole "rape, pillage and burn" thing. Looting was done in an organized manner, they didn't burn anything useful, and relatively new evidence suggests that women were generally considered "off-limits". That's not to say it didn't happen, but it definitely wasn't part of their standard MO and the officers/leaders stopped it whenever they could.

Now, the Crusaders, on the other hand... well, I've not made a study of it, but accounts I've heard/read say that they basically butchered the locals and burned stuff. Of course, those weren't precisely normal wars, and their soldiers weren't precisely as organized as the aforementioned groups. And then of course there's Russia's invasion of Germany near the end of WWII, and the multitude of instances of rape there that were condoned by the highest levels of government.

[Ironmonger]

The crusades are both my favorite and most hated ancient wars, because they rallied the peoples of both religions to an extent but they caused a lot of shit between peoples that shouldn't be fighting in the first place, like with Christians and Muslims.

No I'm not trying to start something, it's just awesome and sad at the same time.

[Kippershy]

You are evil and I am drunk after a wonderful night out. Damn you woman.

You are drunk, go to bed Britain.

I'm in bed.
I live in a studio apartment flat and I have a sofabed because there's no room for a proper bed and chairs together, so yeah.
Laying in my bed is warm and comfortable.



Seriously, no regrets about the money spent tonight. Spent a tiny bit less than I did on the new Medal of Honour yet got a lot more enjoyment out of it, even if it was only short term.
Also saw a lass who I would've loved to have some fun with. If only... if only.

[Frost]

It surprises most people that the Vikings and Mongols didn't, but it also surprises people when they learn the truth about dolphins.

[Ketchup]

Now, the Crusaders, on the other hand... well, I've not made a study of it, but accounts I've heard/read say that they basically butchered the locals and burned stuff. Of course, those weren't precisely normal wars, and their soldiers weren't precisely as organized as the aforementioned groups. And then of course there's Russia's invasion of Germany near the end of WWII, and the multitude of instances of rape there that were condoned by the highest levels of government.

From what I know of the Crusaders, meaning not much, this is quite true. What the Red Army did to the Germans was a sort of sick retribution, as the Wehrmacht also committed such atrocities. This doesn't make it any less appalling.

[Ironmonger]

Balefire?

Spoiler:

Balefire.

Spoiler:

[Frost]

Most of the Crusades were actually more political than anything. The Pope was in various kings' pockets at the time, and the religious purposes were to file up some thugs to go and actually do the fighting. The pious, well-armed and educated knights we tend to think of when we think "Crusaders" didn't do much conquering. The Knights Templar were bankers and all could read and write Latin. They were so trusted that even the Saracens banked with them, and their "enemies" the Hashashin were frequent colleagues.

[O. Hinds]

I'd be a hypocrite if I were upset hehe. Reason I asked is because the barrel length affects range and to an extent accuracy, weight is a problem only because it's being held with your mouth and a lighter gun can be swung around much faster of course. Too fast of a rate of fire might cause the design to malfunction or break altogether, can't prove that but I have a gut feeling. To be honest I'm not as knowledgeable as Frost when it comes to guns but I'm close.

Since it's designed and built by zebra engineers, weight probably isn't a problem, particularly with later models that could be made with better materials. Still don't know about the rate of fire or barrel length, though.

Reloading would require a large, lever-like mag release and a magazine suited to being gripped between the hoof and fetlock. With those bases covered, it's no harder than for humans, assuming the pony has a tactical rig to keep the mags close at hoof

What do you think of my design for the Miliozi 10mm SMG?

I like it. With a heavy bolt and stiff spring (to regulate fire rate) it would be a great close combat weapon. With a helical or drum magazine for maximum compactness, it would be be the best of every world

If it had a magic-augmented sight that automatically lined up the sights with the users eye (a necessity, as I mentione earlier) than you just might have a working pony gun.

Oh, well, hooray for accidental success! I'm not sure about a spiral or drum magazine; it would be more difficult to make work with the fast reloading system. On the other hand, it would need reloading less often, so that might balance out.

I'm pretty sure that the magic-augmented sight is out, though. Would it work to use converging line sights mounted on the top of the sides?

[Ironmonger]

That would be a trench sight I think they call it. Also I have the image in my head of a scaled-down variant of the weapon acting as a machine pistol rather than an SMG.

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