Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

[Frost]

Adder would list that as either spam or derail but I felt like amusing you guys.

We've ascended. We need not fear the wrath of Adder, brother. we shall rise up and destroy that which has stood since time immemorial. The world shall quake with the sound of our blows.

You kids are adorable sometimes, you know that?

[Ironmonger]

It's like ever since I've arrived here, PHCC has gone from a place of intellectual discussion mixed with insanity to a very lively place of intellectual discussion mixed with insanity and a spawning ground for eldritch abominations. Also Warhammer has Papa Nurgle, we have Papa Sindri.

@Kim I don't know which versions of your OC I used but I thought Dewflower was a nice name and she looked pretty. :P Any info on her would be nice. Sometimes I forget to reply to things.

I don't recall too much, but I'm 90% sure Dewflower's actually a pony gynecologist, and the cutie mark depicted in Kim's avatar is just the "PG" version.

OHGODWHAT.JPEG

[Ironmonger]

*thinking cap* *mentally back-tracks through Kim's madness*
...Good point. I suppose I didn't expect her to take it that far, but look where I'm posting.

[222222]

Relatively speaking he is new here, he didn't know Kim but for reputation until a few days ago.

[Ironmonger]

Despite my ineptitude I learn rather quickly.

[222222]

Language Nazi Alert: I think the word you are looking for is inexperience, not ineptitude. Ineptitude would prevent you from learning quickly.

[Ironmonger]

Inept as in clumsy. I take in and process information but I'm somewhat clumsy. Goes back to what I was saying about me sometimes being an incredibly sharp knife and other times being a marble.

[CamoBadger]

Ironymonger knows what he's talking about

[Ironmonger]

I fumble around sometimes, it's like my intelligence fluctuates or something-ANYWAY...

EDIT: DAMNIT CAMO ICEY WHAT YOU DID THERE.

[222222]

You are right, I totally cede the point. Just don't touch the spoiler.

Spoiler:

[Ironmonger]

Aright so Google isn't my friend at times. I'm probably just inexperienced.
EDIT: Instead of using fancy words I'll just explain it. I stumble around with some subjects, like these conspiracy theories in FoE you guys sometimes toss around, but when it comes to warfare and other things I'm usually pretty quick. Only person I have personally met that seems to be good at everything is Frost.

[Kippershy]

It took me an hour odd to find it... but I've done it.

Kipper 'geeking out' here...:

[Ironmonger]

Congrats Kip.

Going back to that pony gun discussion, think a straight-pull bolt-action rifle with an enlarged handle for the mouth would work?

[CamoBadger]

It might, but I think unless you were at long range it would be hated because of the need to break aim if you want to chamber another round. Even if ponies could bring their hoof up there to operate it without lowering their jaw, having their hoof in their face would still break their line of sight, and as a bolt action it would place a large amount of time between shots. So yeah, maybe for a sniper or at least medium ranged shooting, but for close quarters, if they're like me they'd sooner use that thing as a club.

[Kippershy]

Thanks, it was a god damn pain in the ass. Might've even been something stupid like two hours. Not sure exactly.

Thing is, the ones that did have the digital optical input/output ports (the black square ones rather than the circles) were always coming up as low end ones that couldn't even handle 2.1 SS - which is what my motherboard integrated soundcard has and can handle up to.

The higher quality 5.1 SS cards pretty much never have this port however, always opting to go with a different kind of optical cable port, which is a damn pain in the ass because it would mean buying a cable converter - and the only one of those I found was a cable + converter that was 1m long and... yeah, I didn't feel like buying from two places and getting a cable just for that when it's excessively long for my needs. (even .5 of a meter is more than enough for me.)

So I was searching and searching and searching.
The one other card I found that was suitable which had 5.1 was said to be extremely inadequate in the reviews and one person said the drivers weren't compatible with Win7 (despite how long it's been out?!) so that's useless.

Then I finally found that beauty. Very happy to finally have found something of high quality that fits my criteria perfectly and doesn't cost too much.
I could've gone for the bigger brother that also comes with a front face plate that gives you volume control, but my speakers have volume control on the ear-piece anyway so no need to spend what amounts to about 50% extra for something that wouldn't really look right on the front of my PC anyway. .

[Ironmonger]

@Camo That makes sense. Basically don't use it for close-in fighting, leave that to the autoloaders. Trying to do some productive thinking and share it.

@Computers I have an EMachines sitting in the shed that won't work only because the graphics card won't work, Best Buy (vomits) told us it was probably a defective one that came like that from the factory. $800 machine I can't use because of one problem and would take a few hundred more to fix it.

[Kippershy]

Bolt action guns really should be kept to dedicated snipers / marksmen.
(The slight difference being that a marksman will travel with a fire-team, snipers are usually in pair with a spotter and used as a support unit.)

[Ironmonger]

Most DMR's are semi-auto but there's the occasional black sheep. From what I see most modern bolt guns are AM rifles but I may be wrong. Savage and Remington make some modern bolt guns for hunting and police work. Just trying to see if I could make it work or not.

[Admiral Stoic Rum]

so you chose 1.22 meters for the average height of the ponies... lets see

going by that logic, Celestia would be a horse... about 17 hands high

[CamoBadger]

You definitely could, and most rifles would be at that point before reaching semi-auto anyways. Even pony magic can't skip a generation of weapon tech.

[Admiral Stoic Rum]

She must have

[Kippershy]

@Emachine problem:

Well, if that's the case, doesn't that come under warranty / sale of a defunct unit and therefore require refund, repair, replacement or free upgrade if the same product is no longer being stocked?


@ DMR's and such

True that. Though like you say, occasionally you'll find a B.A DMR, as uncommon as it is.
And yes, modern snipers that use a B.A are usually 50.calibre anti material rifles like the Barrett M90/95

So my point stands, bolt action for the supporting long ranged snipers who will be at the very minimum, the next block down if not across half the town away giving cover from afar - and let the D.M's use a semi for clean and accurate shots while still having quick fire capability.

[Frost]

I find it interesting that the sort of "herd" mentality you'd expect from a pony (just like many humans have sort of a pack/clan mentality) don't seem to transfer to battlefield tactics.


As far as rifles to, you're correct. Snipers prefer the M24/M40 for tack-driving accuracy (the time they're actually shooting is far outnumbered by the times they're providing coordinates, data, calling artillery/air, and laser-highlighting targets for missiles, so RoF isn't as big an issue) whereas DM's prefer the M110 or the M14's whole bastard-offspring-clan for the RoF, good accuracy and, for the M110 especially, it sort of resembles a standard weapon. You're not throwing up a big fat "I'm the marksman! Shoot me right after the medic!" To the enemy.

[Admiral Stoic Rum]

Snipers nowadays, well the ones that are designated marksman in a fireteam will usually carry a rifle with a bullpup design, so their weapon doesn't scream sniper,

[Frost]

Snipers nowadays, well the ones that are designated marksman in a fireteam will usually carry a rifle with a bullpup design, so their weapon doesn't scream sniper,

Seems like, for the Americans at least, that would have the opposite effect. Everyone else is carrying conventional while you've got a bullpup

Less true for the Brits, Aussies and some others, their standard issue weapons being bullpup.

[Kippershy]

Snipers nowadays, well the ones that are designated marksman in a fireteam will usually carry a rifle with a bullpup design, so their weapon doesn't scream sniper,

Yup, another good point made.
With the magazine at the back of the gun the barrel can extend from the front as much as a normal assault rifle would while having the effective range of a full sized sniper (if only going for a .308 as an example).

I don't understand why bullpups aren't more common.

[Kippershy]

Snipers nowadays, well the ones that are designated marksman in a fireteam will usually carry a rifle with a bullpup design, so their weapon doesn't scream sniper,

Seems like, for the Americans at least, that would have the opposite effect. Everyone else is carrying conventional while you've got a bullpup

Less true for the Brits, Aussies and some others, their standard issue weapons being bullpup.

In the heat of battle, do you really think that you're going to take full notice of the scope and layout of the magazine on the gun?
No.
I mean, okay, if you see the enemy before they see you then yes, you can identify the gun someone is holding if you get a clear sight of it and decide that soldier x is a bigger threat than soldier y.
However, your biggest concern would be if any of them are carrying a LMG, seeing as one LMG has the suppressive capability of six riflemen if they were to sit in one location and fire as one.

[Sindri]

Congrats Kip.

Going back to that pony gun discussion, think a straight-pull bolt-action rifle with an enlarged handle for the mouth would work?

Given the main difficulty ponies have would usually be reloading and such, I think that all but unicorns and maybe snipers would shy away from bolt action. And I still don't like mouthgrip rifles; unless you're holding the far end with TK (in which case why is your mouth on it in the first place?) or it's heavily braced on terrain the leverage is a huge issue. I suppose it could be made practical with a sort of bullpup design to move the center of gravity closer in to the pony, but I still don't like it.

The advantage would be that a sturdy bolt action design would be very nice for beating things with if you didn't like bucking them and didn't have a melee weapon. And most battlefield repairs for it wouldn't take much longer than a normal reload.


Vaguely related: why are bullpup weapons so sexy?

Spoiler:

You definitely could, and most rifles would be at that point before reaching semi-auto anyways. Even pony magic can't skip a generation of weapon tech.

Except they totally can. They have all the required secondary technologies already, they just haven't been turned to war yet. So they could easily skip muzzle loaders and maybe even bolt action by adapting things they learned building peaceful factories. For all we know they adapted full-auto-fire from concepts used in large scale candy making.

[Ironmonger]

Don't forget one good Marskman or Sniper can halt the advance of a group of soldiers.

[CamoBadger]

For the US, it's because our soldiers aren't used to bullpups, it would be an incredibly awkward change that would require re-training every single soldier on use and function.

Another reason, at least in my experience, is that bullpups tend to be more difficult to un-jam and clean in the field. I saw a lot of European militaries using them, such as the F2000, and they hated them. There is no way to feasibly clear a jam on the thing since it is all closed in, which made it so they actually had to disassemble the rifle. In a firefight, that is the absolute last thing you want to do. With standard rifles, it only takes a few seconds (if even that) to clear most jams.

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