Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

[RoboRed]

We ALL know that Blackjack is the biggest Mary Sue in the Fallout-verse and only second to the Marty Stu of Goldenblood.

This essay sums up my opinion on that ridiculous label.

Thank you. That term just makes me grit my teeth into nothing with the way it's constantly thrown around.

You fiend!
Your punishment shall be swift and painful!


Suuuuuuuffer!

Boo...as flan?

*DIABEETUSHNNGGG*

[Stringtheory]

That's horrible! Death from adorableness is one of the worst ways to go, I've heard you get diabetes then suffer a heart attack.

Suuuuuuuffer!

Boo...as flan?

*DIABEETUSHNNGGG*

my point is proved

[SilentCarto]

I started thinking of ways to add some dimension to his character, and I happened upon a rather strange and creepy concept. You know how pre-war Equestria perfected memory modification techniques, right? What if some of the memory orbs of Goldenblood were from ponies who had their memories altered by the OIA or some other entity? Wouldn't it be freaky as shit if Blackjack found a memory orb that showed another perspective on an event where she previously saw Goldenblood through another pony's eyes in a different memory orb, except this time, he wasn't there? Or some other pony was in his place? That would raise some rather alarming questions. What if Goldenblood is, himself, a convenient piece of fiction? A cover identity and/or scapegoat for a much larger organization?

Oooh. Or what if his flip-flop behavior is because the memory orbs we're seeing were extractions? The Goddess is a monster because she removes any part of herself that makes her doubt her own actions. What would that make Goldie if he removed the memories of doing things he felt bad about? It would sure explain the number of incriminating memory orbs he's left laying around...

[SilentCarto]

Oh dear.

There's going to be some discussions about that.
/me grab popcorns

Nah, I think we already knew that. At the very least, Goldie and Horse-and-or-Garnet were working at cross-purposes, and Garnet got double-crossed by someone who may or may not have been Horse when it came to the Redoubt.

What if there were more than one "Goldenblood" ?

Oh, shit. Mind blown.

Well, now, hang on, Somber started this story before the changeling episodes ev--

In a world were Project Chimera existed... Well, wouldn't it be handy to have clones of some of your highest officials ?...

Oh, shit.

Oh. Shit.

No- P-21, Deus, Goldenblood... it's all an illusion. Real ponies playing parts to keep a fragile mind in tact.

Blackjack is the changeling.

"The Melancholy of Go Fish"?

Suuuuuuuffer!

Is... is that flan?

Ah yes, it is flan Boo, she gives you two types of diabetes.

*dead*

It was just so I could tell Meleagridis "Exactly as flanned." in response to a message on tumblr, heh.

*double dead*

[Vergil]

You fiend!
Your punishment shall be swift and painful!


Suuuuuuuffer!

WHAT HAS SCIENCE DOOOOOONE?

[Ketchup]

You fiend!
Your punishment shall be swift and painful!


Suuuuuuuffer!

WHAT HAS SCIENCE DOOOOOONE?

I don't know, but it's adorable.

[Stringtheory]

well, it looks like this thread has been de-railed on account of Flan-Boo

[Guest]

well, it looks like this thread has been de-railed on account of Flan-Boo

I'm ok with this.

@Wavey
:D Yay!

[SilentCarto]

well, it looks like this thread has been de-railed on account of Flan-Boo

I think we're all gleefully jumping for the derail after that unpleasantness.

GERONIMOOOOO!

[Moodyman90]

I certainly don't mind.

Not helped that I can't help but picture Flan Boo there being like an adorable race of brain slugs like in Futurama.

[WavemasterRyx]

Thank you. That term just makes me grit my teeth into nothing with the way it's constantly thrown around.
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Boo...as flan?
*DIABEETUSHNNGGG*

Yeah, as far as 'legitimate criticism' goes, I think that term has become so badly overused that it's lost pretty much any validity. I do still using it when joking around sometimes though.

*giggles softly* I'm glad you like flan Boo, Robo. And I'm sorry for killing you.

Is... is that flan?
---
*dead*
---
*double dead*

I'm sorry for killing you too, Silent. *hugs*

WHAT HAS SCIENCE DOOOOOONE?

I don't know, but it's adorable.

Heh, well thank you, Ketchup.
Maybe I should practice my evil scientist laugh instead of practicing apologizing like Priest.

well, it looks like this thread has been de-railed on account of Flan-Boo

Oops... did I do that?...

I'm ok with this.

@Wavey
:D Yay!

*giggles softly* Well thank you, OAC. <3

I think we're all gleefully jumping for the derail after that unpleasantness.

GERONIMOOOOO!

Okay... well maybe it was just the tiniest bit intentional...
However, I must say that some of the wild speculation about Goldenblood is very interesting, particularly about how he may have cloned himself, or wiped some of his own memories. Very interesting stuff to think about, even if it isn't true.

I certainly don't mind.

Not helped that I can't help but picture Flan Boo there being like an adorable race of brain slugs like in Futurama.

Heh, thank you too. Hmm... squishy flan brain slug? The Wasteland would be doomed.

[OneMoreDaySK]

>.>

A week lurking and this is where we're at. Might want to rerail this thing before it shifts into the chat thread.

Ok, I have a question: How do you all suppose that Psalm got Alicorn Dipped? Did she just try to an hero into the goo, did someone shove her into it, or did an alicorn drag her into it after some other hero left her for dead after fatally wounding her?

P.S.
@Ryx
Very cute, as usual. <3 Nom Nom Nom.

[Moodyman90]

Well, my personal theory about Psalm, which has changed since the past chapter, is that she decided that Twilight was the next, best target on her list and she ended up as one of the first alicorns.

Only other one I got is that she nearly succumbed to radiation sickness while on the way and an alicorn found her, picked her up, and threw her in a vat.

[RoboRed]

>.>

A week lurking and this is where we're at. Might want to rerail this thing before it shifts into the chat thread.

Ok, I have a question: How do you all suppose that Psalm got Alicorn Dipped? Did she just try to an hero into the goo, did someone shove her into it, or did an alicorn drag her into it after some other hero left her for dead after fatally wounding her?

P.S.
@Ryx
Very cute, as usual. <3 Nom Nom Nom.

I always figured she did it willingly as some kind of penance or something. *shrug* I haven't given it that much thought.

[WavemasterRyx]

A week lurking and this is where we're at. Might want to rerail this thing before it shifts into the chat thread.

Ok, I have a question: How do you all suppose that Psalm got Alicorn Dipped?

P.S.
@Ryx
Very cute, as usual. <3 Nom Nom Nom.

Heh, thank you. Well, I think the most likely situation where Psalm was turned was either that she went to Splendid Valley to make sure Twilight had been killed after seeing an alicorn and realizing the facility hadn't been destroyed, or an alicorn finding her in a half-dead state from radiation poisoning. Being a unicorn, they would have wanted her anyways, but certainly an offering of acceptance from a figure that looked like Luna would have appealed to her.

[Luminous Lead]

Well, assuming Psalm were to try to follow her assasination orders (which she knew were bogus at the time so it's quite unlikely), I could probably see her joining unity to try killing Twilight from within. Now, regardless of whether or not Unity tried to get her in the first place (she would be a loyal servant, after all), I'm pretty sure Unity doesn't want Psalm now. They probably didn't have a way to get rid of her properly and pretty much shoved her entirety into the Lacunae entity (the word Lacuna can mean extended musical silence, or a missing piece of text).

Seems like Lacunae couldn't really stand her either and further delegated to Blackjack. Desiring punishment certainly explains the Masochism that she displayed in front of the zebra concentration camp turret, not to mention that BDSM thing she has going on with Glory now.

By the way, I just need to say that I really loved the revisions to the end of Chapter 54. Having Blackjack rally at the Scotch-harem comment was great, and a good throwback to 33. Her greatest strengths emerge when she's fighting to protect another. Regardless of the monster she may become, despite the star contamination in her soul, she's still Security.

[SilentCarto]

I'mma just leave this here.

Surgeon General's Warning - may contain awesomeness, 3-d ponies, or tree nuts:

Ok, I have a question: How do you all suppose that Psalm got Alicorn Dipped? Did she just try to an hero into the goo, did someone shove her into it, or did an alicorn drag her into it after some other hero left her for dead after fatally wounding her?

I figure she went willingly. The Goddess promised her redemption and/or making the pain go away, and she jumped at the chance.

[Caoimhe]

I'mma just leave this here.

Surgeon General's Warning:

Howee crap. :O

That's the best P-21 reaction.

[Meleagridis]

@Page 9:
I was laughing the whole way through that. Beautiful. It was funny with just the rampant mass guessing, but then we were visited by a certain Flantasm.

Ah yes, it is flan Boo, she gives you two types of diabetes. It was just so I could tell Meleagridis "Exactly as flanned." in response to a message on tumblr, heh.

Feel so special! And frightened, because that came just five days after a flan-related visual pun-off at work. We've still got a stack of flan gags in the crew room.

Ok, I have a question: How do you all suppose that Psalm got Alicorn Dipped? Did she just try to an hero into the goo, did someone shove her into it, or did an alicorn drag her into it after some other hero left her for dead after fatally wounding her?

I kind of want to see Valley Dogs there. Only somewhat related, I know, but my thoughts have already been said (went after Twilight).

A little:

[Harmony Ltd.]

What if there were more than one "Goldenblood" ?

Oh, shit. Mind blown.

Well, now, hang on, Somber started this story before the changeling episodes ev--

In a world were Project Chimera existed... Well, wouldn't it be handy to have clones of some of your highest officials ?...

Oh, shit.

Oh. Shit.

Ever wondered how a single pony somehow managed to get his hand into pretty much every noteworthy conspiracies in Equestria ? He's a chessmaster, but he can't be everywhere at once, and even he has to sleep sometimes.

Or does he ?

[O. Hinds]

What if there were more than one "Goldenblood" ?

Oh, shit. Mind blown.

Well, now, hang on, Somber started this story before the changeling episodes ev--

In a world were Project Chimera existed... Well, wouldn't it be handy to have clones of some of your highest officials ?...

Oh, shit.

Oh. Shit.

Ever wondered how a single pony somehow managed to get his hand into pretty much every noteworthy conspiracies in Equestria ? He's a chessmaster, but he can't be everywhere at once, and even he has to sleep sometimes.

Or does he ?

...For some strange, strange reason, I've just had mental images of an office sitcom where all of the characters are clones of Goldenblood.

[Harmony Ltd.]

And now I'm imagining it made in Dilbert's style.

With Luna as the Pointy Haired Boss.

[FeatherDust]

Well, my personal theory about Psalm, which has changed since the past chapter, is that she decided that Twilight was the next, best target on her list and she ended up as one of the first alicorns.

Only other one I got is that she nearly succumbed to radiation sickness while on the way and an alicorn found her, picked her up, and threw her in a vat.

Interesting point. Up to now I was figuring she went to Maripony to kill Twilight as part of Partypooper and stumbled into the early days of the Goddess, but as of the chapter before last, we know she already knew Partypooper was a lie.

Huh.

Maybe she went there not to kill Twilight but to protect or join her. Psalm's princesses is dead, her mission is a lie...maybe she's left trying to find somebody worthy of devotion, even if they are merely mortal.

Or proper execution. She's steeped in unforgivable sins by then, what can she do but admit her role in everything and hope for a proper death? Suicide isn't good enough; she can't repent unless she freely admits what she did. She murdered Big Macintosh, and even if Twilight doesn't remember the relationship, she was at least his friend. She killed Pinkie Pie, and if not for her tampering, the shield would probably have survived the subsequent bomb. Twilight may be the one possibly living pony most harmed by Psalm, and therefore the one she should give her life to - whatever Twilight chooses to do with that life afterward.

[Luminous Lead]

Well, my personal theory about Psalm, which has changed since the past chapter, is that she decided that Twilight was the next, best target on her list and she ended up as one of the first alicorns.

Only other one I got is that she nearly succumbed to radiation sickness while on the way and an alicorn found her, picked her up, and threw her in a vat.

Interesting point. Up to now I was figuring she went to Maripony to kill Twilight as part of Partypooper and stumbled into the early days of the Goddess, but as of the chapter before last, we know she already knew Partypooper was a lie.

Huh.

Maybe she went there not to kill Twilight but to protect or join her. Psalm's princesses is dead, her mission is a lie...maybe she's left trying to find somebody worthy of devotion, even if they are merely mortal.

Or proper execution. She's steeped in unforgivable sins by then, what can she do but admit her role in everything and hope for a proper death? Suicide isn't good enough; she can't repent unless she freely admits what she did. She murdered Big Macintosh, and even if Twilight doesn't remember the relationship, she was at least his friend. She killed Pinkie Pie, and if not for her tampering, the shield would probably have survived the subsequent bomb. Twilight may be the one possibly living pony most harmed by Psalm, and therefore the one she should give her life to - whatever Twilight chooses to do with that life afterward.

That would explain why she would be devoted to Blackjack, Twilight and Big Mac's legacy.

[SilentCarto]

Twilight may be the one possibly living pony most harmed by Psalm, and therefore the one she should give her life to - whatever Twilight chooses to do with that life afterward.

Interesting... and the best penance she could find was to carry Twilight's unpleasant feelings in the worst shithole in the Wasteland.

[RoboRed]

I'mma just leave this here.

Surgeon General's Warning - may contain awesomeness, 3-d ponies, or tree nuts:

That's awesome. The artist even used the model of the X-66 Mammoth for Deus!

[Icy Shake]

Remarkably, I'm only horrified by Blackjack, and a little bit by Rampage in that picture. That's a pretty low ratio for 3-D ponies, at least for me.

[Harmony Ltd.]

I like how Rampage's model is very obviously a barely modified Pinkie Pie model.

Quick question : are her eyes supposed to be surrounded by red ? I wasn't under that impression myself.

[WavemasterRyx]

Quick question : are her eyes supposed to be surrounded by red ? I wasn't under that impression myself.

As far as I was aware, no. At least, she's never looked like that when I've drawn her...

I guess a lot of other artists seem to think so though (like this), or tend to give her red eye shadow... But then, most other artists don't braid her tail either.

Edit: Oh, I guess dotrook's version had it... and since his is the officially backed appearance then yeah, I guess that is how her eyes are supposed to look. Double oh... the title picture has her that way too...

[Overthepacific]

Did this thread really fall off of the latest topics for two whole days? Weird.

Well, to attempt a revive, it might have been talked about before, but I'm curious.

What was every ones favorite part of the story?

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