Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

[Frost]

A deflegrating secondary charge activated at the same time as the round itself would do it.

[Ironmonger]

To me that raises the question how the Zebras mass-produced an assault rifle that turns it's ammo into roman candles of death...unless it was a limited-production weapon and/or used alchemy instead of traditional talismans.

[O. Hinds]

A deflegrating secondary charge activated at the same time as the round itself would do it.

...Sorry, but what does that mean?

To me that raises the question how the Zebras mass-produced an assault rifle that turns it's ammo into roman candles of death...unless it was a limited-production weapon and/or used alchemy instead of traditional talismans.

Well, that was a wartime model, and possibly a high-end one designed for, among other things, use in Equestria. For that they may have used a talisman.

[Ironmonger]

I think he means a secondary charge activated by the primer/propellant (whichever one the hammer strikes) which in turn sets off the fuse.

[Frost]

A slow-burning charge inside the bullet activated by the round going off, which in turn sets off the explosive charge when it burns down

[Ketchup]

The biggest problem I see with your explosive 10mm bullets are the cost.
Making solid projectiles is easier since you just need to fill a mold. Making hollow shells requires more steps if you want to fill it with something. The filling would require another assembly/mixing process as well. The cost just might not be worth it.

[O. Hinds]

A slow-burning charge inside the bullet activated by the round going off, which in turn sets off the explosive charge when it burns down

Wouldn't that be more vulnerable to external conditions, though, not less?

The biggest problem I see with your explosive 10mm bullets are the cost.
Making solid projectiles is easier since you just need to fill a mold. Making hollow shells requires more steps if you want to fill it with something. The filling would require another assembly/mixing process as well. The cost just might not be worth it.

Hm... It seems to me that it's a balance between the cost of the extra metal that bullets would require minus the cost of the explosives and the cost of running the extra processing. Actually, though, the extra processing could be done manually, in a pinch, or with machines run by zebrapower, so I think that the 10mm shells might indeed be more cost-effective during the initial runs. Things might change once trade opens up and brings in more metal and energy, though.

[Frost]

The deflegration fuse idea would be gunpowder (which burns slower than the smokeless that's used in modern rounds) which is extremely stable.

Obviously, the rounds would be limited to special purpose, anti-armor purposes and would not replace conventional rounds

[O. Hinds]

The deflegration fuse idea would be gunpowder (which burns slower than the smokeless that's used in modern rounds) which is extremely stable.

Ah, I see. I suppose that the sulfur could be extracted from sea life. I wasn't away that hard-packed gunpowder could burn without exploding, though.

Obviously, the rounds would be limited to special purpose, anti-armor purposes and would not replace conventional rounds

Well, the APE would be, but the basic 10mm HE rounds were the second standard that the Miliozi used (the first being the remaining ammunition from their invasion supplies and the later ones, likely more conventional solid bullets, coming into use after the formation of the EA insured a sufficient supply of metal), unless you think that that's a bad idea.

[Stringtheory]

Okay, I've had this idea bouncing around in my head for a while now and I have to let it out, what would Dr. Strangelove ponified look like? (FO:E optional)

[Ironmonger]

Meanwhile Swicked is probably bored out of his damn mind.

[Frost]

A random thought struck me today while I was playing New Vegas. Despite the abundance of usable parts, no Wastelander ever whips up a metal or composite crossbow out of, say, old car and machine parts. Quiet, powerful and able to use bolts improvised out of anything.

[Ironmonger]

A random thought struck me today while I was playing New Vegas. Despite the abundance of usable parts, no Wastelander ever whips up a metal or composite crossbow out of, say, old car and machine parts. Quiet, powerful and able to use bolts improvised out of anything.

You just spoke my mind, I was wondering about this a few hours ago. Which brings me to my point, getting shot by a Bloatsprite spine should be like being shot by a short-range crossbow.

[Cptadder]

Okay I come back from moving stuff today to find I missed page 31 by a country mile and we are talking 10mm HE.

The 10mm HE annoys me more, fragmentation at that sizes is terrible. Just making a solid core bullet is going to do much more damage than any half assed bullet at that size unless your firing anti-matter rounds. Standard fragmentation starts getting good at 20mm and that's using modern stable explosive filler much better than anything we had in WW2 and we still knew as far back as WW2 that 20mm was the proper size to start making your bullets hollow so you could pack explosives inside.

[222222]

But CptAdder, magic...

[Ironmonger]

[Frost]

Don't look at me. They wanted 10mm HE, I was trying to make it work. I wouldn't use it, but the boy wants his goddamn HE rounds

[Caoimhe]

Since I mentioned Kurosawa a while back I got the idea to start watching all my Kurosawa blurays again. Seven Samurai or Sanjuro would make a pretty good FoE story in my opinion. Have a group of ponies from a village under attack from raiders seek out a mismatch band wasteland warriors to help protect them, throw a bunch of stuff about honour in there.

Simply concept, maybe a bit overdone, but it'd be nifty. The Flank chapter of PH already has kind of a Yojimbo vibe to it.

[Ironmonger]

Since I mentioned Kurosawa a while back I got the idea to start watching all my Kurosawa blurays again. Seven Samurai or Sanjuro would make a pretty good FoE story in my opinion. Have a group of ponies from a village under attack from raiders seek out a mismatch band wasteland warriors to help protect them, throw a bunch of stuff about honour in there.

Simply concept, maybe a bit overdone, but it'd be nifty. The Flank chapter of PH already has kind of a Yojimbo vibe to it.

When you say "Kurosawa" I automatically think of the KARASAWA from Armored Core.

[IncoherentOrange]

Reminds me of how, after feedback, I changed the payload of my story's colony ship's defensive railgun rounds from HE to solid slug. Why? Because "Anything moving at 3km/s packs its own weight in blam."

[Ketchup]

Okay I come back from moving stuff today to find I missed page 31 by a country mile and we are talking 10mm HE.

The 10mm HE annoys me more, fragmentation at that sizes is terrible. Just making a solid core bullet is going to do much more damage than any half assed bullet at that size unless your firing anti-matter rounds. Standard fragmentation starts getting good at 20mm and that's using modern stable explosive filler much better than anything we had in WW2 and we still knew as far back as WW2 that 20mm was the proper size to start making your bullets hollow so you could pack explosives inside.

I figured he wanted to give it an explosive that could make a shockwave within the body since, as you say, fragmentation would be useless. To do that, he needs magic. I mentioned 20mm being the start point for useful explosive loadings earlier.
Edit: Oh, and he wanted to save metal. Not sure why he'd need to, a bullet is very small.

[Ironmonger]

I just had a train of thought that amused me. What if you were charged with Assault-and-Battery for assaulting someone with a battery. It's stupid but it makes me laugh when I think about it.

[Cptadder]

But CptAdder, magic...

You still need plenty of room to etch the magical sigils on and 10mm is to small for anyone but a Griffin to manage and Griffins lack magic.

Don't look at me. They wanted 10mm HE, I was trying to make it work. I wouldn't use it, but the boy wants his goddamn HE rounds

It's our job to step in when O.Hinds starts building giant Styrofoam bridges to point out that while styrofoam makes an excellent packing material, it's structural integrity leaves something to be desired.

(O.Hinds this is an example of your exuberance not a direct critique on any particular design of yours only habit of building every what if two bricks to big)

Reminds me of how, after feedback, I changed the payload of my story's colony ship's defensive railgun rounds from HE to solid slug. Why? Because "Anything moving at 3km/s packs its own weight in blam."

High explosives in space are mostly pointless it must be said because the speed of ships are such that most fights will happen at speeds that explosive energy is insufficient to catch. As well big rocks win 99% of space VS ground combat.

I figured he wanted to give it an explosive that could make a shockwave within the body since, as you say, fragmentation would be useless. To do that, he needs magic. I mentioned 20mm being the start point for useful explosive loadings earlier.
Edit: Oh, and he wanted to save metal. Not sure why he'd need to, a bullet is very small.

So make it a rifle grenade, it's quite easy to mount up to 40mm grenades from any standard 6mm or above rifle and explosives don't need to move fast for infantry use.

I just had a train of thought that amused me. What if you were charged with Assault-and-Battery for assaulting someone with a battery. It's stupid but it makes me laugh when I think about it.

[Frost]

Alright, off-topic, but in my D&D session just now, me, as an Elf Rogue, just rescued my Mage friend by doing sneak crossbow crossbow headshot on the guard approaching him, then caught his body, stamped out the torch, and threw his body off the cliff.
Two 20/20's, two 8/8's, and a 3/6 and 2/6

[Ironmonger]

"Officer, could you change that to aggravated assault?"
"Did he do something else?"
"No, but he was really upset at the time."

[Frost]

"Your Honor, I plead self offense."

"You mean self defense?"

"No. He was a real jerk. He offended my self"

[Ironmonger]

Getting charged with Assault and Battery for attacking Batman with a bat.

[O. Hinds]

Okay I come back from moving stuff today to find I missed page 31 by a country mile and we are talking 10mm HE.

The 10mm HE annoys me more, fragmentation at that sizes is terrible. Just making a solid core bullet is going to do much more damage than any half assed bullet at that size unless your firing anti-matter rounds. Standard fragmentation starts getting good at 20mm and that's using modern stable explosive filler much better than anything we had in WW2 and we still knew as far back as WW2 that 20mm was the proper size to start making your bullets hollow so you could pack explosives inside.

I figured he wanted to give it an explosive that could make a shockwave within the body since, as you say, fragmentation would be useless. To do that, he needs magic. I mentioned 20mm being the start point for useful explosive loadings earlier.
Edit: Oh, and he wanted to save metal. Not sure why he'd need to, a bullet is very small.

Right; I was thinking of just using the pressure wave from the explosion, not shrapnel propelled by it. I've stated, though, that I don't know all that much about this area.

The desire to save metal arises from the fact that there's only so much you can salvage from the ruins of San Frantello, and less metal per projectile means that a given amount of metal can make more projectiles.

But CptAdder, magic...

You still need plenty of room to etch the magical sigils on and 10mm is to small for anyone but a Griffin to manage and Griffins lack magic.

...
Once again, alchemy. The shells don't have talismans, they're not etched with runes of power, they're filled with explosive material.

Don't look at me. They wanted 10mm HE, I was trying to make it work. I wouldn't use it, but the boy wants his goddamn HE rounds

It's our job to step in when O.Hinds starts building giant Styrofoam bridges to point out that while styrofoam makes an excellent packing material, it's structural integrity leaves something to be desired.

(O.Hinds this is an example of your exuberance not a direct critique on any particular design of yours only habit of building every what if two bricks to big)

I've been asking if you thought that HE and APE were good ideas; I'm aware that I don't know all that much about this area.

None taken. What do you think of the tunnel design, by the way, and do you have any input on the air supply thing?

I figured he wanted to give it an explosive that could make a shockwave within the body since, as you say, fragmentation would be useless. To do that, he needs magic. I mentioned 20mm being the start point for useful explosive loadings earlier.
Edit: Oh, and he wanted to save metal. Not sure why he'd need to, a bullet is very small.

So make it a rifle grenade, it's quite easy to mount up to 40mm grenades from any standard 6mm or above rifle and explosives don't need to move fast for infantry use.

A grenade rifle as a military's primary close quarters combat firearm?

[Ketchup]

Alright, off-topic, but in my D&D session just now, me, as an Elf Rogue, just rescued my Mage friend by doing sneak crossbow crossbow headshot on the guard approaching him, then caught his body, stamped out the torch, and threw his body off the cliff.
Two 20/20's, two 8/8's, and a 3/6 and 2/6

I played D&D on Thursday and Friday with my bro and 2 friends. I play an Elf archer-ranger, my brother plays a Halfling invoker, and we had a dwarf fighter and a dragonborn barbarian. We investigated a house supposedly filled with rats, but was actually a base for pyromaniacs who ended up burning down the town after we were done. After we struggled across a river, we killed a cave bear and had bear sandwiches and ale in it's cave. Next morning, DM decided we could face 20 bugbears at level 6 by burning the wheat field half of them were in, but I mentioned it had rained the previous night, so he replaced them with gnoll minions which we absolutely destroyed. Then a worm-thing attacked us after I failed a luck check, destroying a tent full of captured refugees. With an AC of 25, we couldn't possibly hope to defeat it, so we ran away. We then hitchhiked to the next town and got a quest to deal with necromancers, where we stopped. Quite fun.

[Ketchup]

I figured he wanted to give it an explosive that could make a shockwave within the body since, as you say, fragmentation would be useless. To do that, he needs magic. I mentioned 20mm being the start point for useful explosive loadings earlier.
Edit: Oh, and he wanted to save metal. Not sure why he'd need to, a bullet is very small.

So make it a rifle grenade, it's quite easy to mount up to 40mm grenades from any standard 6mm or above rifle and explosives don't need to move fast for infantry use.

A grenade rifle as a military's primary close quarters combat firearm?

I think he meant something like this.

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