Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

[Ironmonger]

Blarg, still haven't read the latest chapter >_< I did get my "Colour Out Of Space" comic finished, though, and it's not too terrible. Still can't draw people, lol.

I can't draw people to save my life either. Back when I still drew, I would stick to armored vehicles and equipment. Curved lines were my bane.

[OBS.GS.§S]

I had been sitting in front of my computer, periodically hitting the refresh button waiting for a response for the past two hours, only to realize that there happened a little "page 7" button in lower right hand corner of the screen where the first post is Erumpet responding to me literally 7 minutes after I posted. I don't have a youtube video strong enough for how slow I feel right now.

Anywho, without further ado, I present to you the E.O. - U.S.A.S :

(Extended Operations - Unicorn Specialist Augmentation Suite)

Spoiler:

I'm really slow when it comes to making ideas, but I do my best to make them the best I can possibly make to offset my truancy. Also, I'm not an expert on mechanical engineering or anything really, I just followed my gut on this one, so please tell me if I made any scientific or equestrian-scientific errors. I realize that something like this probably would have never made it past the prototype stage in pre-war equestria due to the established roles most unicorns had, but I feel there would've been consideration for unicorns that showed potential in taking a more "direct" approach to the war.

All thoughts, suggestions, and opinions are welcome and very deeply appreciated.
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By the way, this is part of what I meant when I said I was going to be giving it real effort this time.

[Plasticube]

I always thought unicorns wanting to take a more "direct" approach to the war
would have been tagged for twilight's alicorn project.
In fact the two projects probably competed for funding in the early stages, like the YF-23 versus what would eventually become the F-22 Raptor.

[222222]

@OBS: I wasn't sure where you were going at first with that reversible flow of energy switch, because I was thinking the amount of energy in a closed system remains constant, and if you are outputting energy then the suit would quickly run out of power. But then you reminded me Unicorns are magic and regenerate magical energy automatically, and so yeah, disregard physics acquire awesome unicorn suit. Anyways, I like the idea of the battery constantly being charged, now that I actually understand it, but I think there should be some sort of a reserve battery, or a really good energy level indicator in the goggles. The unicorn does not want to run out of energy because they engaged too long. The four switches seem relatively simple, power armor being what it is, but I can't help but wonder if the suit could be a modular design, with extra functions attached as needed, such as a magic powered rebreather, or a mount for a heavy sniper, like a .50 cal deal. Things that wouldn't be necessary for every mission, but could be useful in some specific cases. But anotomically and scientifically speaking, I can't help you. Just my 2 cents.

Edit: Also I think you mean "suit" not "suite" possibly

[Mister Nikel]

I am a little late to the party of chapter 51, really busy studying at
medical. I loved the breather feel of it even though Blackjack managed
to fight a Minotaur and barely escape the Enclave while losing all of
her guns. I guess that's what goes for "a good day" at Hoofington.
Really liked the reveals with P-21 and Rampage. The speech with Glory's
mom was one of the greatest speeches ever. A shame that Rampage and
Lacunae are still out of it. There is now hope though that they both are
real people. Lacunae is just short of being confirmed to bee Psalm at
this point. BJ is just not a smart pony to realize it.

Oh and the best part were the Cybrpony Cakes. Truly the deadliest in Wasteland treats. The chapter was well worth the weight wait. Good job Somber. Also Obligatory Somber is the villain of Season 3 who is gonna jump start the events of Fallout Equestria.

[222222]

Obligatory disappointed reveal that Sombra, not Somber, is the season 3 villain. Sad face. T-T

[Cptadder]

...Perhaps I got just a wee bit overambitious? [taps hooves together] Heh...

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The above project is a little bit less sane, but only a little bit. I think you vastly underestimate the scale of the construction. Pre-war? This is a two nation project that takes billions of bits, post war? I don't see how it could theoretically be possible even if the pillars were constructed. The amount of specialized machinery is vast, even if you have unicorn magic and alchemy to work on it it's a simple problem that we have yet to see a single unicorn even Littlepip noted levitation savant being able to lift five hundred ton sections for eight hours a day, day in and day out. Sure Littlepip by the end of FoE is tossing around ten tons like it's ten pounds but she's not throwing around the kind of weights that demand specially constructed machinery to fit these kind of cables in place.

Then there is the fact that types of bridges will tear themselves apart quickly if left unattended even if the maintenance is very hum drum. Theoretically anyone could be trained to look after some of the giant bridges quickly with only a handful of positions needing decades of experience because small problems because big problems on suspension bridges. Not to say suspension bridges are going to fall apart, in fact they are quite battle resistant since the thickness of steel and the over-engineering aspect mean you can lose half a dozen strands and still be able to repair the bridge. Even losing a section just means a few months to get it open again. But to do that kind of work requires vast quantities of raw material no accessible in a post industrial balefire countryside.

Well, this is one of the reasons why I asked the forum for its opinions. Okay, put off the plans for the bridge for maybe another twenty years at least (putting the start of construction at around 31 SR at the earliest) and in the meantime, if necessary, use ferries and perhaps a more practical but less visually impressive tunnel (which would still be a prestige project, of course, just not one quite so visible or conspicuously intensive).

Oh, and for the "deck" I was thinking of using an 11.5m-diameter cylindrical design.

The four smallest squares are the pedestrian/miscellaneous passage, the three nearly square rectangles are the road lanes, and the large rectangle is the rail line. The cylinder itself would probably be an open framework design.

(Oh, and yes, about 14 klicks total length with most of the spans being two kilometers.)

First off the SR designation means what now? I've seen it before I know but can not recall what it stands for.

Second the engineering example you want to look to for no hassle fuss tunneling is the Chunnel. A good chalk layer to dig through and some kind of disintegration based digging tool makes digging the tunnel much easier for ponies than people. Then it becomes a small problem of reinforcement and cross stabilizing and of course waterproofing. But 90% of the effort is good geological knowledge. You need not only a close point but also the right terrain. Some strata are great for digging through, others fall apart if given half a chance.

If your willing to give me six years to go away to university and push myself beyond second year geology into a degree proper I could give you a well reasoned and geological sound explanation of where to dig and why.

Failing that I'll tell you that tell your readers that such a survey was conducted and geological conditions were ideal for a underground tunnel construction.

[O. Hinds]

(Hm; the preview function doesn't seem to be working…)

...Perhaps I got just a wee bit overambitious? [taps hooves together] Heh...

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The above project is a little bit less sane, but only a little bit. I think you vastly underestimate the scale of the construction. Pre-war? This is a two nation project that takes billions of bits, post war? I don't see how it could theoretically be possible even if the pillars were constructed. The amount of specialized machinery is vast, even if you have unicorn magic and alchemy to work on it it's a simple problem that we have yet to see a single unicorn even Littlepip noted levitation savant being able to lift five hundred ton sections for eight hours a day, day in and day out. Sure Littlepip by the end of FoE is tossing around ten tons like it's ten pounds but she's not throwing around the kind of weights that demand specially constructed machinery to fit these kind of cables in place.

Two nations (states, presumably), you think? …Hm. I'm not sure that the Zebra boom was that big, so… I may have to say that it never got beyond the paper stages before the war.

Well, even if the specialized machinery couldn't be reused on many other projects, it would still be occupied during the building of the bridge, and making the equipment would stimulate industry.

I was planning to use rotodaen skycranes for the heavy lifting, with perhaps help from a defected Raptor (assuming that they actually have a good amount of spare lift).

Then there is the fact that types of bridges will tear themselves apart quickly if left unattended even if the maintenance is very hum drum. Theoretically anyone could be trained to look after some of the giant bridges quickly with only a handful of positions needing decades of experience because small problems because big problems on suspension bridges. Not to say suspension bridges are going to fall apart, in fact they are quite battle resistant since the thickness of steel and the over-engineering aspect mean you can lose half a dozen strands and still be able to repair the bridge. Even losing a section just means a few months to get it open again. But to do that kind of work requires vast quantities of raw material no accessible in a post industrial balefire countryside.

I wasn't proposing to leave the bridge unattended; I'm not really sure where you got that idea. The bridge would have a full maintenance crew and a wide variety of smart self-monitoring systems.

As for the raw materials, hopefully some old mines could be reopened or new ones built to provide the excess. Pity that von neumanning on that scale is probably illegal...

First off the SR designation means what now? I've seen it before I know but can not recall what it stands for.

Sunshine and Rainbows.

My current rough calendar:

Second the engineering example you want to look to for no hassle fuss tunneling is the Chunnel. A good chalk layer to dig through and some kind of disintegration based digging tool makes digging the tunnel much easier for ponies than people. Then it becomes a small problem of reinforcement and cross stabilizing and of course waterproofing. But 90% of the effort is good geological knowledge. You need not only a close point but also the right terrain. Some strata are great for digging through, others fall apart if given half a chance.

If your willing to give me six years to go away to university and push myself beyond second year geology into a degree proper I could give you a well reasoned and geological sound explanation of where to dig and why.

Failing that I'll tell you that tell your readers that such a survey was conducted and geological conditions were ideal for a underground tunnel construction.

Oh, yes, while a 14+ kilometer underwater tunnel would be no mean feat, it would still be much easier and probably more efficient. It's not nearly such a prestige project, though (meaning that it's not something the EA can brag about to the NCR and use for internal propaganda, basically).

On that note, though, it's actually occurred to me that there might be political opposition to any Gibhalter crossing, as it would reduce the importance of Masozi in international trade. Hm… Though perhaps the Miliozi could be placated by being given more direct control over the newly-easily-accessible and well placed for trade lands along the transport line between the Principality and the Moojave… Yes, that seems like it would have a good chance of working. A tunnel is looking good.

[Ironmonger]

Guess I spoiled that part of my story for nothing then oh well. Anyway I heard Chaos got a new codex, I've been checking it out and it is really really good.

[Cptadder]

Two nations (states, presumably), you think? …Hm. I'm not sure that the Zebra boom was that big, so… I may have to say that it never got beyond the paper stages before the war.

Well, even if the specialized machinery couldn't be reused on many other projects, it would still be occupied during the building of the bridge, and making the equipment would stimulate industry.

I was planning to use rotodaen skycranes for the heavy lifting, with perhaps help from a defected Raptor (assuming that they actually have a good amount of spare lift).

I wasn't proposing to leave the bridge unattended; I'm not really sure where you got that idea. The bridge would have a full maintenance crew and a wide variety of smart self-monitoring systems.

As for the raw materials, hopefully some old mines could be reopened or new ones built to provide the excess. Pity that von neumanning on that scale is probably illegal...

Sunshine and Rainbows.

Okay this is thirty one post sunshine and rainbows which is far different when I thought you had planned this as post war pre sunshine. So if this is a NR project then I can see such bridge becoming possible. But it would have to be a flagship project. Even with Pony/Zebra united with Alicorn and Hellhound support this is going to have to be a massive undertaking. The reason for why I was talking about maintenance crews is the way I read it, it was a post war pre-sunshine project. Even if it was pre-war project post war neglect would have killed the bridge quickly even without a balefire hit.

Oh, yes, while a 14+ kilometer underwater tunnel would be no mean feat, it would still be much easier and probably more efficient. It's not nearly such a prestige project, though (meaning that it's not something the EA can brag about to the NCR and use for internal propaganda, basically).

On that note, though, it's actually occurred to me that there might be political opposition to any Gibhalter crossing, as it would reduce the importance of Masozi in international trade. Hm… Though perhaps the Miliozi could be placated by being given more direct control over the newly-easily-accessible and well placed for trade lands along the transport line between the Principality and the Moojave… Yes, that seems like it would have a good chance of working. A tunnel is looking good.

Miliozi could be placaded if the roads lead to Milozi, assuming your not building the bridge between major cities, I assume both ends are in the middle of nothing so the roads out and the surrounding land would be valuable real estate. Giving it to Milozi to administer and tax could win easy support, hey we get boat traffic AND tunnel traffic.

[OBS.GS.§S]

@OBS: I wasn't sure where you were going at first with that reversible
flow of energy switch, because I was thinking the amount of energy in a
closed system remains constant, and if you are outputting energy then
the suit would quickly run out of power. But then you reminded me
Unicorns are magic and regenerate magical energy automatically, and so
yeah, disregard physics acquire awesome unicorn suit. Anyways, I like
the idea of the battery constantly being charged, now that I actually
understand it, but I think there should be some sort of a reserve
battery, or a really good energy level indicator in the goggles. The
unicorn does not want to run out of energy because they engaged too
long. The four switches seem relatively simple, power armor being what
it is, but I can't help but wonder if the suit could be a modular
design, with extra functions attached as needed, such as a magic powered
rebreather, or a mount for a heavy sniper, like a .50 cal deal. Things
that wouldn't be necessary for every mission, but could be useful in
some specific cases. But anotomically and scientifically speaking, I
can't help you. Just my 2 cents.

Edit: Also I think you mean "suit" not "suite" possibly

A power gauge could probably be part of the data displayed by the eye sockets in the hood, good call. A modular design with auxiliary parts could be doable as well since the wires throughout the suit could also link "docks" for the parts to the spark batteries, as long as the parts in question had a means to operate them and weren't too heavy or required more power than the spark batteries could sustain for a reasonable amount of time. The main limiting factor here is that the suit is designed to siphon magical energy and recharge the spark batteries at a slightly lower rate than the rate of regeneration for the unicorn in question using a sensor built into the horn ring and an onboard computer that reacts to the data collected from the sensor.

Oh, and that's the main reason why putting the suit on for the first time will cause some "minor" discomfort as the suit calibrates itself to the wearer's unique magical parameters, don't want to overload and blow up the wearer's horn either when the polarity of the siphoning mechanism is reversed do we?
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By the way, I used the word suite because it can also mean "a number of things forming a series or set" in addition to its other meanings. Also I thought it sounded better in the name than the word "suit" would. But if people don't like it I can change it.
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@Sombra reveal
Yeah, I was kinda disappointed too when I found out it wasn't "King Somber" because then we could've gotten Somber to do an impression of him and post it, matter of fact we should still do that.
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@Ironmonger
Sorry, we're not trying to neglect you, is that thing from that part of your story you gave that possessed walker tank monstrosity thing we discussed earlier? Either way it sounded pretty cool though.
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Edit: The comment thread is really bustling with activity all of the sudden, and constructive activity at that.

[O. Hinds]

Two nations (states, presumably), you think? …Hm. I'm not sure that the Zebra boom was that big, so… I may have to say that it never got beyond the paper stages before the war.

Well, even if the specialized machinery couldn't be reused on many other projects, it would still be occupied during the building of the bridge, and making the equipment would stimulate industry.

I was planning to use rotodaen skycranes for the heavy lifting, with perhaps help from a defected Raptor (assuming that they actually have a good amount of spare lift).

I wasn't proposing to leave the bridge unattended; I'm not really sure where you got that idea. The bridge would have a full maintenance crew and a wide variety of smart self-monitoring systems.

As for the raw materials, hopefully some old mines could be reopened or new ones built to provide the excess. Pity that von neumanning on that scale is probably illegal...

Sunshine and Rainbows.

Okay this is thirty one post sunshine and rainbows which is far different when I thought you had planned this as post war pre sunshine. So if this is a NR project then I can see such bridge becoming possible. But it would have to be a flagship project. Even with Pony/Zebra united with Alicorn and Hellhound support this is going to have to be a massive undertaking. The reason for why I was talking about maintenance crews is the way I read it, it was a post war pre-sunshine project. Even if it was pre-war project post war neglect would have killed the bridge quickly even without a balefire hit.

Ah, no, the NCR isn't involved in the construction. It's purely EA, and at this point in time that means that the biological components of the labor force are probably going to be mostly just ponies and zebras. Might have some griffins, alicorns, hellhounds, etc., though.

Oh, if it was a prewar project, it would have been blown up long before the apocalypse.

Given the clarifications, do you still think it's unreasonable that this could have been started before the war? I rather like the idea of the foundations being used for seaforts.

Oh, yes, while a 14+ kilometer underwater tunnel would be no mean feat, it would still be much easier and probably more efficient. It's not nearly such a prestige project, though (meaning that it's not something the EA can brag about to the NCR and use for internal propaganda, basically).

On that note, though, it's actually occurred to me that there might be political opposition to any Gibhalter crossing, as it would reduce the importance of Masozi in international trade. Hm… Though perhaps the Miliozi could be placated by being given more direct control over the newly-easily-accessible and well placed for trade lands along the transport line between the Principality and the Moojave… Yes, that seems like it would have a good chance of working. A tunnel is looking good.

Miliozi could be placaded if the roads lead to Milozi, assuming your not building the bridge between major cities, I assume both ends are in the middle of nothing so the roads out and the surrounding land would be valuable real estate. Giving it to Milozi to administer and tax could win easy support, hey we get boat traffic AND tunnel traffic.

Hm... Well, I suppose that only the San Frantello line out of the Moojave could be restored, yeah. That would be more roundabout... but it would still keep the trade flow at least near the city. As for giving the crossing to the Miliozi to administer... I think that the Principality would probably object to that (they'd also probably object to their lands being called "the middle of nothing", but, well, they are one of the lesser powers).

[Ironmonger]

@Hinds

Yeah it's the same thing. I apparently made a good description given that's the impression you got. I've found that the Defiler, or in Armed Redemption's case the Defiler of Cities, is rather practical as long as it's not overly complex. Simplify and reshape the armor to rid the beast of shell-traps, add a small anti-personnel turret on the rear and replace the Battle Cannon with a plasma gun powered by a magic reactor, and boom.

[222222]

Ok so I was rereading the newest chapter and I came across this bit:

“My name is Goldenblood,” he replied as he sat next to my bed.  He looked up at the Princess.  “Luna’s… well…”
“I finally convinced him that leading a life of being a lonely intellectual was overrated,” Luna replied, making the young stallion flush.  “And he’s agreed to look after you.”

The first time I read through this I was only thinking about Psalm and I didn't think anything about this passage. But rereading it, it seems like its indicating that Goldenblood and Luna are involved romantically. Specifically the part where Goldenblood stutters in describing his relationship to Luna and the part where Luna convinced him being lonely was overrated, to which he blushed. Am I reading too much into this? Or was this obvious to everyone else and I just totally missed it? Because if this is legit, it totally changes the Goldenblood Fluttershy dynamic in my mind.

[Kippershy]

You just missed it, I think.
I saw it straight away.

[Ironmonger]

I thought I saw something there but then I just waved it off. I didn't take it as luna being the other involved, someone else. In short I knew what I was looking at but I wasn't understanding it.

[Kippershy]

Oh come on, it's been obvious for ages. Why on earth else would he call out her name while doing it with Flutters? Why else would he be so protective of and loyal to Luna?
Why else would she have him executed for betraying her trust, rather than simply imprisoned like anyone else?

Goldenblood and Luna are two in a pod. The only reason they were never open and official is because she's a god damned princess and after S.H.R, the leader of a nation.

If the ministry mares aren't "allowed" to have a normal love life, what do you think anyone would say about their supreme ruler having a normal love life?

[Ironmonger]

It's only obvious if you see/pay attention to signs of it beforehand, which unfortunately I did not. I know better now that everything is important, or nearly everything. I forget half of the stuff I read in Horizons and some of it I don't pay much heed.

*cowers in a corner*

EDIT: I've gone a few posts without cursing for once. Recovering swearaholic!

[222222]

Sorry I didn't remember that it had been specifically mentioned he had called out Luna with Fluttershy, I thought we just knew he had called out a name of a princess, Celestia or Luna. Also I thought he was executed not imprisoned because he did something really bad, like organizing the delivery of mega spells to the zebras. I guess I just never made the connection.

[Kippershy]

Everything is indeed important in Project Horizons. Even if it seems like a red herring and just gets left as an unimportant part of the story, pretty much everything mentioned in the story that I can ever think of has been brought up again at some point, even if it's 40 chapters later as we're going to see with the upcoming chapter.

Though I suppose it also helps that I am a hopeless romantic to the fucking core. I tend to pick up on the things like this because it comes naturally to me to see romantic things.

It's why the cliffhanger where Glory was possibly dead meant so much to me as to put me in a state of depression.
Not knowing if Glory would live was so damn painful not because losing a character, but losing the romance between her and Blackjack, that yes, it actually did put me back into a state of depression which I had worked hard to get out of at the time.

That is how much romance means to me.

[Kippershy]

Sorry I didn't remember that it had been specifically mentioned he had called out Luna with Fluttershy, I thought we just knew he had called out a name of a princess, Celestia or Luna. Also I thought he was executed not imprisoned because he did something really bad, like organizing the delivery of mega spells to the zebras. I guess I just never made the connection.

I can't remember if it was specifically mentioned to be Luna or just somepony else, but I'm pretty sure it was Luna and even if it wasn't written so, we all agreed and knew it was.


Edit:

No, Goldenblood never organised the delivery of megaspells to the zebs. That was Fluttershy acting on her own accord to instigate the policy of C.A.R.E (another term for mutually assured destruction.)
Goldenblood actually tried to stop Fluttershy from doing it, though admittedly he didn't do more than talking to her and trying to advise her not to do it.

What Goldenblood did was go behind Luna's back and allowed EC-1101 (and possibly Project Horizons) to go ahead without her knowledge, which, Project Horizons is some kind of last-ditch "we're fucked" project which we as the readers don't know much about, only that it was a project made out of pure terror for the idea of losing and was not for winning but rather, as a plan to make it all for nothing. This hurt Luna as it showed that Goldenblood doubted her ability to win the war to such an extent he would make a plan to fuck things up should Equestria lose.

EC-1101 was what hurt Luna the most, seeing as it directly contested her ability to control the whole nation should she die.
This isn't just saying "Oh, we'll make sure you have x burial with x ceremony" this is directly saying: I don't think you stand a chance, this is so when you do lose, we can continue.
That would be a devastating idea to an immortal.
Not only that, but also the fact that it would prove that he doesn't just doubt her, he outright thinks she stands no chance.

EC-1101 directly spits in her face and ability to rule.


He held her heart and crushed it with dishonesty and disloyalty, betraying her in the most terrible of ways.
Luna died heartbroken.

[Cptadder]

Ah, no, the NCR isn't involved in the construction. It's purely EA, and at this point in time that means that the biological components of the labor force are probably going to be mostly just ponies and zebras. Might have some griffins, alicorns, hellhounds, etc., though.

Alicorns are former ponies and ponies like bottlecaps, hellhounds like technology and griffins honor the contract and they happen to be for sale. Really unless someone is at war with someone I could see two of those groups easily working on any large scale project. And Griffins? Griffins want to get payed. Some nice easy safeguarding work with some light search and rescue thrown in? (Assuming it's a bridge). That's an easy goverment contract any griffin group would be happy to take on.

Given the clarifications, do you still think it's unreasonable that this could have been started before the war? I rather like the idea of the foundations being used for seaforts.

I could see it as a pre-war project started between Celestia and the former Caesar abandon at the outbreak of war with his successor. Question is foundations as seaforts during the war or after? I could see after but they are small for a proper sea fort.

Hm... Well, I suppose that only the San Frantello line out of the Moojave could be restored, yeah. That would be more roundabout... but it would still keep the trade flow at least near the city. As for giving the crossing to the Miliozi to administer... I think that the Principality would probably object to that (they'd also probably object to their lands being called "the middle of nothing", but, well, they are one of the lesser powers).

Look if there's nothing within two miles of the exit points then speaking broadly it is middle of no where as far as governments are concerned. Special economic zones, free trade areas, exclusion zones, they have many names but they basically mean we are going to take your land and serve it up to foreign interests in exchange for a large bags of bits that the taxes will bring in. Why the railroad bypassed some towns while going through others is a classic example of the kind of political deal making that values people over efficiency. Heck look at Germany, that country is a poster child for local interests getting their way back when roads were being constructed (Which is why side note the autobahs were so important a Nazi symbol because the road network was a nightmare of labyrinthine setups) You can see the same thing in the America highway construction project in the 50s.

Point being, don't assume your roadway has to make perfect sense geographically and efficiency wise even if your tunnel has to.

[Kippershy]

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[Kippershy]

Also, while I'm on the topic, the reason Goldenblood wasn't good enough for Fluttershy was this:

She was second best for (as in, to) him.

Goldenblood had always loved Luna more than he had Flutters, always. It was the fact he couldn't even be semi-open with his relationship with Luna that made him go for Flutters in the end, rather than seeing her and admiring her until he managed to win her heart.

The time he spent in her care was when he realised he could use her to further the cause of winning the war. Having the head of the M.o.P allowed him to create such projects as Project Steelpony / Project Chimera (seeing as both are highly medical related and couldn't have been done under her nose without her finding out and making her balk it.)


He knew he could never love Flutters like he had Luna, that's why he knew he could never be good enough for her. He used Fluttershy to feel more normal as a pony, not having to hide -as much- with his relationship as he had been with Luna.
On top of this, like mentioned, it allowed him to use her and produce more for the war effort.




...Now this is where Somber comes along, calls me a twat and tells me that despite my best efforts, I'm entirely wrong and I should never speak again lest he tells all his readers that one of them scares him... again.

[Ironmonger]

...

*stands up and slowly starts clapping*

This analysis makes the Iron God smile.

[Vergil]

Check the first line of your last post kipper, I think you got it bass-ackwards. Otherwise though that sounds about right.

[Kippershy]

And now I think about it, with Luna dying heartbroken, it only further pushes me into the line of thought that she is the one at the middle of the EoS' web.


Recap on why;

-She has the ability to Canterlot speak, making her voice a lot louder / cover a larger area, which could be used as a "megaphone" of sorts to expand the reach the EoS has.

-Celestia's soul never passed, it remains on Equestria, so it couldn't be her.

-None of the mane6 quite fit that position, in my mind. Twilight went to become a part of the trinity of the Goddess. Rarity put herself into forty two statuettes and back into herself. Fluttershy lived on as a tree. Pinkie Pie died in Manehattan, but wouldn't fit as she's not important enough. Applejack lived peacefully in Stable 2, Rainbowdash was never confirmed.
Luna was confirmed to have died, has the ability to upscale the EoS' ability to project its hum and was important enough to be noticed by it.

-Luna died heartbroken and in agony, both emotionally and physically. Her soul could have been captured with a lot more ease than a happy soul would be, in theory. Let us not forget that enervation is a painfully loud screaming sound to alicorns and a heartbroken Luna being tortured would be very possible of making such an effect.



I know this is Horizons and that's why when I first decided it was Luna, I worked hard in trying to disprove it and say it was somepony else - but to me, the answers only led back to Luna even when I made her exempt from who it could be.

It's Luna at the heart of the EoS' web.

[Kippershy]

If you mean the second best thing, when I say for I meant to.
If you mean something else, care to elaborate so I may see what you mean?

[Vergil]

Also, while I'm on the topic, the reason Goldenblood wasn't good enough for Fluttershy was this:

That one. You're talking about Goldenblood's point of view, not Fluttershy's. So shouldn't that be the reason she wasn't good enough for him?

[Ironmonger]

EoS?

EDIT: Ignore that. Eater of Souls, Adder just helped me solve that.

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