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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
SilentCarto wrote:
It depends. You'd be right if you were talking about an object belonging to several gardens -- "The gardens' sprinkler system".
However, according to the Chicago Manual of Style, "the possessive of a title or name is formed by adding 's" under all circumstances. So even though "Gardens" happens to be plural, an object belonging to the single entity of Happyhorn Gardens is Happyhorn Gardens's.
Right, thanks. I checked and that is applied very consistently throughout the story, so it's correct as it is.O. Hinds wrote:Well now, that's a bit of a tricky one. The word "gardens" is plural, of course, and so ought to have the possessive form "gardens'" (at least in this style). "Happyhorn Gardens", however, is singular. I think that the current version is the correct one, though I'm not sure.Icy Shake, your thoughts?
Ah, or SilentCarto! Thanks! I was not in fact previously familiar with that particular rule.
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JadedPony wrote:I had posted on Reddit in the 77 thread so that it wouldn't cause a ruckus but, since you asked so nicely:
Only a short reply because it's late.
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If Rampage could remove her talisman, wouldn't she have done that ages ago?JadedPony wrote:Take Rampage for example, Rampage could have saved P-21 by transferring the healing talisman to him. She would have been part of him, they could have raised Scotch and blackjack's kids together. There was chapters worth of build up, solving the mystery of how she came to have the talisman and how it works and in the end Somber was too busy cutting himself to actually use the knowledge they struggled for to any useful end.JadedPony wrote:Why would Blackjack just leave her kids with someone else and never go back for them or even talk to them?
She was out for a long time and everyone believes she's dead. The children were born and raised by someone else. They are more Grace's children than Blackjack's by now.JadedPony wrote:What was with The Dealer coming back as some evil abstract spirit of the wasteland and taunting Blackjack then just poofing away and nothing ever came of it? It was a massive waste of writing. It was illogical, it introduced a whole new villain that was never dealt with.
What makes you think that the Dealer/spirit of the wasteland is a villain that has to be 'dealt with'? Hell, he could just be a figment of Blackjack's imagination.JadedPony wrote:Nothing was ever explained. It was just this massive waste of text talking about her cutie mark implying that her special talent was letting other people die in her place. Soooo... what was the point of that?
Did you spend chapters of time establishing that her talent was finding a way to win, have the cyber-luna knock off steal her special talent because it was a guaranteed win, then just decide in the last chapter to rewrite the core concept of the main character for shits and giggles? Why is this even in the story? It's just blathering stupidity that is so bad it belongs in a Michael Bay film.
Cognitum was the only one who ever really believed that her talent was victory. Just because Cognitum thinks so doesn't mean it really is her special talent.
The Dealer/spirit of the wasteland was the one who implied that her special talent is making other people die for her, which is fitting for what he represents and may or may not be true. Her real special talent is unknown.JadedPony wrote:Two: When he died then came back **again** I literally rolled my eyes at how bad that choice was. You should have never brought him back the first time much less leave him to die a THIRD death that the heroes didn't even accomplish. All the injury and death they went through fighting him and they didn't even kill him! The enemy boss killed him! What a fucking monumental waste of time.
All the death and suffering to fight him meant **nothing**.
Just because Blackjack and her friends weren't the ones that _physically_ killed the Legate by putting a bullet in his brain or cutting his head off absolutely does not make the rest of the fight irrelevant.JadedPony wrote:The most powerful, most evil creature in all of existence tried to stop Blackjack with happy dreams? REALLY? and while Blackjack was standing there dazed and dreaming there was NOTHING it could have done to kill her? She was totally helpless and it did nothing. It could have killed her at any point while she was mucking around in one of those dreams.
Because the Eater is the "most powerful, most evil creature in all of existence" means it's only allowed to use lasers and explosions? Melt her on the spot while laughing maniacally? Why should the Eater care so much about one inferior speck of dust that he should give it his attention and exert himself when it is enough to simply lock it into a dream.
Time on the outside was slowed down to a crawl when she was in the dreams. Not more than a fraction of a second passed even in the longest dream.
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Scootayay wrote:JadedPony wrote:I had posted on Reddit in the 77 thread so that it wouldn't cause a ruckus but, since you asked so nicely:
Only a short reply because it's late.
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If Rampage could remove her talisman, wouldn't she have done that ages ago?JadedPony wrote:Take Rampage for example, Rampage could have saved P-21 by transferring the healing talisman to him. She would have been part of him, they could have raised Scotch and blackjack's kids together. There was chapters worth of build up, solving the mystery of how she came to have the talisman and how it works and in the end Somber was too busy cutting himself to actually use the knowledge they struggled for to any useful end.JadedPony wrote:Why would Blackjack just leave her kids with someone else and never go back for them or even talk to them?
She was out for a long time and everyone believes she's dead. The children were born and raised by someone else. They are more Grace's children than Blackjack's by now.JadedPony wrote:What was with The Dealer coming back as some evil abstract spirit of the wasteland and taunting Blackjack then just poofing away and nothing ever came of it? It was a massive waste of writing. It was illogical, it introduced a whole new villain that was never dealt with.
What makes you think that the Dealer/spirit of the wasteland is a villain that has to be 'dealt with'? Hell, he could just be a figment of Blackjack's imagination.JadedPony wrote:Nothing was ever explained. It was just this massive waste of text talking about her cutie mark implying that her special talent was letting other people die in her place. Soooo... what was the point of that?
Did you spend chapters of time establishing that her talent was finding a way to win, have the cyber-luna knock off steal her special talent because it was a guaranteed win, then just decide in the last chapter to rewrite the core concept of the main character for shits and giggles? Why is this even in the story? It's just blathering stupidity that is so bad it belongs in a Michael Bay film.
Cognitum was the only one who ever really believed that her talent was victory. Just because Cognitum thinks so doesn't mean it really is her special talent.
The Dealer/spirit of the wasteland was the one who implied that her special talent is making other people die for her, which is fitting for what he represents and may or may not be true. Her real special talent is unknown.JadedPony wrote:Two: When he died then came back **again** I literally rolled my eyes at how bad that choice was. You should have never brought him back the first time much less leave him to die a THIRD death that the heroes didn't even accomplish. All the injury and death they went through fighting him and they didn't even kill him! The enemy boss killed him! What a fucking monumental waste of time.
All the death and suffering to fight him meant **nothing**.
Just because Blackjack and her friends weren't the ones that _physically_ killed the Legate by putting a bullet in his brain or cutting his head off absolutely does not make the rest of the fight irrelevant.JadedPony wrote:The most powerful, most evil creature in all of existence tried to stop Blackjack with happy dreams? REALLY? and while Blackjack was standing there dazed and dreaming there was NOTHING it could have done to kill her? She was totally helpless and it did nothing. It could have killed her at any point while she was mucking around in one of those dreams.
Because the Eater is the "most powerful, most evil creature in all of existence" means it's only allowed to use lasers and explosions? Melt her on the spot while laughing maniacally? Why should the Eater care so much about one inferior speck of dust that he should give it his attention and exert himself when it is enough to simply lock it into a dream.
Time on the outside was slowed down to a crawl when she was in the dreams. Not more than a fraction of a second passed even in the longest dream.
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Re: If Rampage could remove her talisman, wouldn't she have done that ages ago?
She did, she went through a wood chipper, remember? What she just found out on the moon was that you can rip the talisman out of your own chest and put it in someone else's. You die, but your soul becomes part of the new host and they become and immortal super-pony like you were. Blackjack knew this, Rampage knew this, but Somber just wanted to kill off P-21 so that Blackjack could be the "edgy lone hero" so he was left to die and Rampage was left on the moon to suffer. Blackjack just abandoned both of her friends when she could have saved them both so that Somber could have his Marry Sue Princess OC save the world all on her own.
RE: Why should the Eater care so much about one inferior speck of dust that he should give it his attention?
I would think when she had taken out two of the three shield generators that might have been a good time to move to a better tactic than day dreaming at her. Maybe that's just me. This whole chapter read like a bad game design document. First you had a rail shooter sequence with quick-time events where you had to change the tracks just in time, then you had a big boss fight, and then a cut scene before she sent home the rest of her party and she climes up out of the hole to destroy three generators before the timer runs out.
In the end, his mind games amounted to him trying to interrupt her trying to stop him with cut scenes. Can you imagine a video game so bad that they tried to stop you from blowing up the three generators by throwing cut scenes at you to try and run out the clock? Blackjack won, because she figured out how to use the SKIP button in her brain and break out of those cut scenes. That is how lame this fight was. The bosses main weapon was cut scenes!
Re: Just because Blackjack and her friends weren't the ones that _physically_ killed the Legate by putting a bullet in his brain or cutting his head off absolutely does not make the rest of the fight irrelevant.
You misunderstand, I don't mean that his dying by the hand of the Eater was what made it pointless, I mean the entire event was pointless. Again, think of it like a video game. Pretend you are playing final fantasy and you spend days leveling up so you can kill this one asshole who keeps showing up and stomping your ass only to let you live so you can grow more powerful. Then you finally defeat him and shatter his heart. You rest and prepare to fight the next boss then you find the same annoying guy you just killed is back with new mechanics that makes you need to hit his weak spots. One of which is only targetable when his mouth is open.
So you fight him and fight him and you lose party members but you finally get him down and then he comes back AGAIN and kills one of your party members in a cut scene before dying. It is the stuff of some of the worst types of JRPG. He should have never come back for a second death much less for a third death. It was HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE writing. A massive waste of time that could have been used better doing almost ANYTHING original.
Re: Her real special talent is unknown.
You mean she lived her ENTIRE ADULT LIFE not knowing what her special talent was? Because she seemed to think it was winning too. For a long, long time. Especially after she lost it.
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Yes. Absolutely.JadedPony wrote:You mean she lived her ENTIRE ADULT LIFE not knowing what her special talent was?
And also no.
In the intro to chapter 15, she failed to provide a clear explanation of her talent, which is why I started theorizing about her repressing her understanding of her talent due to the trauma of Hatches' death. If we assume that the Dealer was indeed a hallucination originating in BJ's mind, then his explanation of her talent is probably accurate. And, honestly, if you secretly knew that your purpose in life was to have others take bullets intended for you, wouldn't you latch on to someone else's assumption that it was merely to win at any cost?
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You're welcome, sir. I do hope you enjoy it when you do get a chance and feel like listening to it. I still need to find a good time to check it out myself.O. Hinds wrote:Ah, I've not seen that! Tha--
[sees length]
...Aaaand I don't know when I'm going to see it. Looks interesting, though, and I'm glad you mentioned it in case a good time does come up soon. Thanks. :)
I've been thinking about this a bit, sir, and now I'm starting to really question the purposes of giant robots too, heh... I still think they're cool and all, but yeah, pretty much there isn't anything they could do significantly better than a similarly advanced tank or airship, other than interacting with things in a human / equine fashion... which said things would need to have been constructed larger than normal specifically for that purpose in the first place...O. Hinds wrote:Yeah. I mean, even with magic to make them work, while they might make nice art pieces or novelties... how are they more practical than the alternatives for actual combat use? One can come up with justifications (which is, as I said, probably easier with quadrupeds than with bipeds), but it still seems to me that they're probably a significantly suboptimal design in most cases.
Ah, actually I was thinking of Silver Stripe. The guy ended up going by Steel (had to look it up), Silver and Cobalt were his friends. Not to copy Hinds' answer, but I actually haven't seen any of the Transformers movies, heh. But yeah, I stand by my case that balls are a terrible cost-investment for cyberization; if you want functionality, go with an internal storage tank.SilentCarto wrote:Maybe I got the name wrong. Who was the stallion who kept complaining about losing his junk when he got cyberized?WavemasterRyx wrote:Well... Silver was a mare...
Anyway, it was just a joke, poking fun at Transformers 2.
Also, while I'm here, I suppose...
- Pythia and Blackjack memorial, kinda:
http://wavemasterryx.tumblr.com/post/128226271192
http://wavemasterryx.tumblr.com/post/128446558122
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@JadedPony:
I say, now; critique, even harsh critique, is one thing, but I see no need here for such personal insults. I see several places in your posts about which I could attempt a discussion with you, but frankly, I am not by your behavior convinced that such discourse would be productive.
Then, though, the Whateveroids invade, the Ultramaguffin breaks, and the society stops being post-scarcity right when it could really use a non-scarce supply of materiel. We've been peaceful for millennia! We have no war machines, just the odd museum piece and a bunch of old designs we can't build without the Ultramaguffin! And what are we going to do for soldiers?!
Hey, though, we've got all of these giant humanoid robots sitting around, and the games have been called on account of rain (of alien death rays)...
And I am very surprised that I've thought of this. Eh. [shrugs]
But yeah, pretty silly unless one sets up a scenario, like that, specifically for them. :)
I suppose that some people might care about having testicles for cosmetic or personal body image reasons, but it would probably be better to only worry about making them cosmetically sufficient, rather than making them both look/feel right and operate as functional reproductive organs.
Hm, and now I'm wondering if a cyberpony could have an on-the-fly gamete cell gene resequencer built in... my mind appears to be going to some strange and creative places tonight.
And you put the PipBuck on the right (or, rather, the left :)) leg, nicely; it's rather a pity to see otherwise good pieces of fanart with it on the right leg instead of the right one.
...I think perhaps I may be a bit low on sleep. If you didn't follow that, it's supposed to be on her left foreleg, which it is here, so good. :)
I say, now; critique, even harsh critique, is one thing, but I see no need here for such personal insults. I see several places in your posts about which I could attempt a discussion with you, but frankly, I am not by your behavior convinced that such discourse would be productive.
No problem. :)Scootyay wrote:Right, thanks. I checked and that is applied very consistently throughout the story, so it's correct as it is.
Good luck. :)Ryx wrote:You're welcome, sir. I do hope you enjoy it when you do get a chance and feel like listening to it. I still need to find a good time to check it out myself.
Hm... Oh, here's an interesting idea, actually: a post-scarcity society where one of the most popular sports involves giant humanoid robots that, thanks to the whole post-scarcity thing, have had so many resources and super-advanced (and possibly conveniently unspecified) technology thrown into them that they're actually pretty practical to us. Impractical to develop to that point? Far easier and just as good or better options available? Oh yes! But hey, it's a post-scarcity society, and the designers thought that this would be a really cool idea.Ryx wrote:I've been thinking about this a bit, sir, and now I'm starting to really question the purposes of giant robots too, heh... I still think they're cool and all, but yeah, pretty much there isn't anything they could do significantly better than a similarly advanced tank or airship, other than interacting with things in a human / equine fashion... which said things would need to have been constructed larger than normal specifically for that purpose in the first place...
Then, though, the Whateveroids invade, the Ultramaguffin breaks, and the society stops being post-scarcity right when it could really use a non-scarce supply of materiel. We've been peaceful for millennia! We have no war machines, just the odd museum piece and a bunch of old designs we can't build without the Ultramaguffin! And what are we going to do for soldiers?!
Hey, though, we've got all of these giant humanoid robots sitting around, and the games have been called on account of rain (of alien death rays)...
And I am very surprised that I've thought of this. Eh. [shrugs]
But yeah, pretty silly unless one sets up a scenario, like that, specifically for them. :)
Good point. I mean, you'd still need a production system if you wanted to use the thing (without having to refill from outside), but the whole thing could be mounted internally with either a cooling system or a more high-temperature-tolerant design. Well, assuming there's room, of course.Ryx wrote:But yeah, I stand by my case that balls are a terrible cost-investment for cyberization; if you want functionality, go with an internal storage tank.
I suppose that some people might care about having testicles for cosmetic or personal body image reasons, but it would probably be better to only worry about making them cosmetically sufficient, rather than making them both look/feel right and operate as functional reproductive organs.
Hm, and now I'm wondering if a cyberpony could have an on-the-fly gamete cell gene resequencer built in... my mind appears to be going to some strange and creative places tonight.
Nice. :)Ryx wrote:Also, while I'm here, I suppose...
- Pythia and Blackjack memorial, kinda:
http://wavemasterryx.tumblr.com/post/128226271192
http://wavemasterryx.tumblr.com/post/128446558122
And you put the PipBuck on the right (or, rather, the left :)) leg, nicely; it's rather a pity to see otherwise good pieces of fanart with it on the right leg instead of the right one.
...I think perhaps I may be a bit low on sleep. If you didn't follow that, it's supposed to be on her left foreleg, which it is here, so good. :)
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SilentCarto wrote:Yes. Absolutely.JadedPony wrote:You mean she lived her ENTIRE ADULT LIFE not knowing what her special talent was?
And also no.
In the intro to chapter 15, she failed to provide a clear explanation of her talent, which is why I started theorizing about her repressing her understanding of her talent due to the trauma of Hatches' death. If we assume that the Dealer was indeed a hallucination originating in BJ's mind, then his explanation of her talent is probably accurate. And, honestly, if you secretly knew that your purpose in life was to have others take bullets intended for you, wouldn't you latch on to someone else's assumption that it was merely to win at any cost?
Letting other people die for you isn't a talent. A talent is something you do. It isn't a thing that just happens around you passively. Having her special talent being everyone else dying instead of her by dumb luck flies in the face of every interpretation of how cutie marks work, ever. Also, if it hatches death got her out of getting in trouble then wouldn't it be something other than cards as her mark? It just makes no sense. Again, it's Somber trying to be "super-edgy" when there was no need for it and it just needlessly complicated things.
If her special talent was somehow having the dumb luck to have other people die in her place, why did she die three times? It makes no sense. She caught more shots to the face than most porn actresses. It's bullshit and if it was true it was shit writing to throw it in at the last chapter and never explore it. Just like it was shit writing to throw in "the wasteland is sentient" and never explore that. Everything Somber has written since the trip to the space center where glory pre-died for no damn good reason, has been one stupid, needlessly dramatic mistake after another.
Somber killed off or removed all the best characters and left us with nothing but a whiny, manic depressive, marry sue, cyber-alicorn Blackjack that did not learn a God damn thing from any of the previous chapters. She was the same pretentious twat she's been since chapter one. She went through all that character development and in the end it all just went poof and her personality just turned off.
Everything since the space center has been shit. Killing off the characters, turning the whole story into a emo, self-flagellation, marathon of ruining everything good about the story arch in order to make Somber's personal OC into the female pony version of Superman just so Blackjack can still find shit to whine about.
Glory didn't need to die at all. P-21 didn't need to die at all. There was no point in any of it and if she knew her special talent was getting ponies killed in her place, why would she bring her friends with her to the moon where they could die in her place? Is she a sociopath? Does she just want to be alone for the rest of her life? No, it was Somber, trying to get rid of every interesting character in the story so that he could focus on Blackjack.
The problem with that is without her friends, all Blackjack ever was in a whiny, pathetic cunt who can't open a door without it being a huge emotional drama. Without her friends to even her out, Blackjack is a wreck no one wants to be around.
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O. Hinds wrote:Hm... Oh, here's an interesting idea, actually: a post-scarcity society where one of the most popular sports involves giant humanoid robots that, thanks to the whole post-scarcity thing, have had so many resources and super-advanced (and possibly conveniently unspecified) technology thrown into them that they're actually pretty practical to us. Impractical to develop to that point? Far easier and just as good or better options available? Oh yes! But hey, it's a post-scarcity society, and the designers thought that this would be a really cool idea.
Then, though, the Whateveroids invade, the Ultramaguffin breaks, and the society stops being post-scarcity right when it could really use a non-scarce supply of materiel. We've been peaceful for millennia! We have no war machines, just the odd museum piece and a bunch of old designs we can't build without the Ultramaguffin! And what are we going to do for soldiers?!
Hey, though, we've got all of these giant humanoid robots sitting around, and the games have been called on account of rain (of alien death rays)...
And I am very surprised that I've thought of this. Eh. [shrugs]
But yeah, pretty silly unless one sets up a scenario, like that, specifically for them. :)
Strange and creative places are nice, I think. *smiles*O. Hinds wrote:Good point. I mean, you'd still need a production system if you wanted to use the thing (without having to refill from outside), but the whole thing could be mounted internally with either a cooling system or a more high-temperature-tolerant design. Well, assuming there's room, of course.
I suppose that some people might care about having testicles for cosmetic or personal body image reasons, but it would probably be better to only worry about making them cosmetically sufficient, rather than making them both look/feel right and operate as functional reproductive organs.
Hm, and now I'm wondering if a cyberpony could have an on-the-fly gamete cell gene resequencer built in... my mind appears to be going to some strange and creative places tonight.
I like your giant robot idea, sir, it sounds like it could reasonably make a pretty entertaining story. And yes, obviously there wouldn't be room inside a normal pony body for the gallon tank I was picturing in my head (for whatever reason). Of course, having a tank you can fill from outside does add possibilities... but some kind of generation talisman would be much more practical. Having a gene resequencer built into it would certainly take quite the feat of magic, but I wouldn't rule it out at all as a potential area of arcane research.
Thank you, sir, I'm glad you like them. Actually I had put it on the wrong leg initially, but was lucky enough for once to realize so in time to fix it easily, heh.O. Hinds wrote:Nice. :)
And you put the PipBuck on the right (or, rather, the left :)) leg, nicely; it's rather a pity to see otherwise good pieces of fanart with it on the right leg instead of the right one.
...I think perhaps I may be a bit low on sleep. If you didn't follow that, it's supposed to be on her left foreleg, which it is here, so good. :)
I do hope you'll be able to get something to help you make it through the day, sir, or if it's the other way, that you'll be able to get some rest soon.
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:)Ryx wrote:Strange and creative places are nice, I think. *smiles*
Aye. Confusion about who wears their PipBucks on what leg does seem to be a bit widespread...Ryx wrote:Thank you, sir, I'm glad you like them. Actually I had put it on the wrong leg initially, but was lucky enough for once to realize so in time to fix it easily, heh.
Eh, I'll be fine, but thanks. :)Ryx wrote:I do hope you'll be able to get something to help you make it through the day, sir, or if it's the other way, that you'll be able to get some rest soon.
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@Ryx:
And I just finished the video. :)
And I just finished the video. :)
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Ah, that's the one. Thanks.WavemasterRyx wrote:Ah, actually I was thinking of Silver Stripe. The guy ended up going by Steel (had to look it up), Silver and Cobalt were his friends.
OK, so... in Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, there's a giant (well... gianter-than-usual) transformer called Devastator. At one point, John Turturro finds himself under Devastator, and we get this lovely scene:WavemasterRyx wrote:Not to copy Hinds' answer, but I actually haven't seen any of the Transformers movies, heh. But yeah, I stand by my case that balls are a terrible cost-investment for cyberization; if you want functionality, go with an internal storage tank.
It's funny because they're wrecking balls.
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Nice art, even if I'm not sure I "get" the BJ pic. Pythia is cute as ever, naturally.WavemasterRyx wrote:Pythia and Blackjack memorial, kinda
Well, but someone did put it on Blankjack's wrong -- that is to say, right -- leg. Must have been some Ranger, because anypony who grew up in a stable would know which leg it goes on.O. Hinds wrote:And you put the PipBuck on the right (or, rather, the left :)) leg, nicely; it's rather a pity to see otherwise good pieces of fanart with it on the right leg instead of the right one.
On a side note: Do you supposed the chunk of soul that Cogs sliced off of BJ to get her cutie mark snapped back to the blank along with her memories, or did it die with Luna? I'm leaning toward the latter, which would probably be mostly for the best.
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Well, in my defense, brain damage. I was actually going to leave it off entirely because "she was a statue and didn't need it", but then I reconsidered, since it is... a fairly important thing. Maybe someone needs to make one of those "old timey educational videos" about PipBucks?O. Hinds wrote:Aye. Confusion about who wears their PipBucks on what leg does seem to be a bit widespread...
Eh, I'll be fine, but thanks. :)
And you're welcome, sir, I do hope so. I'm glad you were able to finish the video too, I hope it was enjoyable.
He's certainly a pony that needs some love.SilentCarto wrote:Ah, that's the one. Thanks.WavemasterRyx wrote:Ah, actually I was thinking of Silver Stripe. The guy ended up going by Steel (had to look it up), Silver and Cobalt were his friends.
OK, so... in Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, there's a giant (well... gianter-than-usual) transformer called Devastator. At one point, John Turturro finds himself under Devastator, and we get this lovely scene:
It's funny because they're wrecking balls.
Ah... I see, heh. I wonder how many times it took him to say that line without laughing. It's really far too early in the morning for me to be trying to figure out the reasoning behind why a giant robot would want to represent his genitalia in such a fashion though.
Well, there isn't too much to it to "get", I'm not that deep of a pony, heh...SilentCarto wrote:Nice art, even if I'm not sure I "get" the BJ pic. Pythia is cute as ever, naturally.
- short explanation:
- Basically... it's just supposed to be the memorial from inside the church at Chapel.
"The structure no longer served as a place of reverence, and the center of the interior was taken up by a massive block of white marble. Carved into the surface was the image of Security in repose; they’d gone with a ‘lying on her back clutching a bunch of lilies’ image rather than a ‘cybernetic and humping a shotgun’ one. Moonlight streamed through the stained glass windows showing Celestia, Luna, the Ministry Mares, and Security’s companions."
Except that I went with the vertical / carbonite approach because I thought it looked more dramatic than having her on her back from the side... or something... Not that that would have been a bad approach, or maybe I should have done it anyways... As for the window... I completely lost my ability to draw stained-glass ponies after doing the ones for Pip and Blackjack two years ago, so I just went with a more... normal-ish design. And left out the princesses and mane 6 because I'm a jerk... also left out Psalm andRouxBastard...
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Seriously? I ask because I would be thrilled to see that name in the story.swicked wrote:atikin wrote:3. No, I suppose it's not that easy to guess. Would you mind to reveal this secret?
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So I finished watching the 77+E discussion video today. Some good stuff there. So some thoughts on that.
I'm not a huge fan of Blackjack's cutie mark talent as "victory," even of the form "victory with a cost/sacrifice." It's obviously better than victory-full-stop, but death is much cleaner and doesn't get into weird cases like "Cognitum won because Tom was launched, even though the outcome she wanted to use the launch of Tom to cause to come about didn't happen." Also, I'd like to imagine that in the deciding round between Hatches and Blackjack to see who would leave first, Hatches was dealt Ace-Queen of spades. So kind of like the ideas of Hatches being her sister or that having been Hatches's cutie mark.
I loved the part where Somber said one objection to making Whisper Magic was that then he'd have to make Blackjack Generosity. Also, I'll note I don't think anything in the epilogue absolutely precludes that, but I could certainly be wrong on that. Anyway, I don't have the same issue with there needing to be an earth pony Element, given that there wasn't a batpony in the current set or an alicorn for S1/S2. But I still don't see Charity as filling that role.
I'd personally say Blackjack need not be as easily killable as was discussed there, since I could easily see the stars' deals being the kind she can't just renege on by dying.
And I'll restate some questions from earlier with some updates:
Did Blackjack get her cutie mark back during the epilogue? If so, was it brought back by her soul affecting the clone body, possibly while she was still in the coma, or did she need to do something to earn it again? If not, does she do anything to hide the fact she's an adult blank flank?
Obviously various starmetals have some different properties. Presumably the sword doesn't do the Enervation thing, and stuff made out of EoS starmetal doesn't inspire you to violence and domination. Are there any characteristics common to substances from many or most stars? Update: The sword does react with moonstone, right? But why? I get why EoS starmetal does, thematically. His has the one frequency magical spectrum at the Enervation note, moonstone is broad-spectrum life/spirit magic fundamentally opposed to that. But is there a similar reason why other starmetals, including that of the sword, would do so?
I tended to find Homage more tolerable in PH than FoE. Is that just because of different circumstances, like not needing to focus on the relationship between her and Littlepip, or did you perceive yourself as writing her differently in some way, for instance due to development we never really got to see in FoE from after she got separated permanently from Littlepip after Cauterize started? Did you do anything like that with other FoE characters (not counting, for instance, Lionheart, who didn't really have a character in FoE)?
Did anything need to be done about the Enervation rings and EoS starmetal generally, or are they inert without the Eater to send captured souls to? Or somewhere in between, like maintaining some of the nice properties (strength, malleability/being shaped by magic/thought/vibration) and creating Enervation when under power, but not capturing souls?
Update: What would you have liked to have done with the Zodiacs? Who should they have ended up being to Blackjack? Would it just be like in the epilogue?
Both Boo and Morningstar ended up being less menacing than originally intended. Was there anyone who ended up more so, or did this only go in that direction? Did that sort of thing happen with anyone else?
You said that in many respects Littlepip might have been able to solve a lot of PH pretty easily if she'd been the one there instead of Blackjack. Do you think that there was anything that made all this something that required Blackjack and her friends/people very like them, or is it something that could have been done by a generic heroes/hero + friends group with very different characteristics?
I'm not a huge fan of Blackjack's cutie mark talent as "victory," even of the form "victory with a cost/sacrifice." It's obviously better than victory-full-stop, but death is much cleaner and doesn't get into weird cases like "Cognitum won because Tom was launched, even though the outcome she wanted to use the launch of Tom to cause to come about didn't happen." Also, I'd like to imagine that in the deciding round between Hatches and Blackjack to see who would leave first, Hatches was dealt Ace-Queen of spades. So kind of like the ideas of Hatches being her sister or that having been Hatches's cutie mark.
I loved the part where Somber said one objection to making Whisper Magic was that then he'd have to make Blackjack Generosity. Also, I'll note I don't think anything in the epilogue absolutely precludes that, but I could certainly be wrong on that. Anyway, I don't have the same issue with there needing to be an earth pony Element, given that there wasn't a batpony in the current set or an alicorn for S1/S2. But I still don't see Charity as filling that role.
I'd personally say Blackjack need not be as easily killable as was discussed there, since I could easily see the stars' deals being the kind she can't just renege on by dying.
And I'll restate some questions from earlier with some updates:
Did Blackjack get her cutie mark back during the epilogue? If so, was it brought back by her soul affecting the clone body, possibly while she was still in the coma, or did she need to do something to earn it again? If not, does she do anything to hide the fact she's an adult blank flank?
Obviously various starmetals have some different properties. Presumably the sword doesn't do the Enervation thing, and stuff made out of EoS starmetal doesn't inspire you to violence and domination. Are there any characteristics common to substances from many or most stars? Update: The sword does react with moonstone, right? But why? I get why EoS starmetal does, thematically. His has the one frequency magical spectrum at the Enervation note, moonstone is broad-spectrum life/spirit magic fundamentally opposed to that. But is there a similar reason why other starmetals, including that of the sword, would do so?
I tended to find Homage more tolerable in PH than FoE. Is that just because of different circumstances, like not needing to focus on the relationship between her and Littlepip, or did you perceive yourself as writing her differently in some way, for instance due to development we never really got to see in FoE from after she got separated permanently from Littlepip after Cauterize started? Did you do anything like that with other FoE characters (not counting, for instance, Lionheart, who didn't really have a character in FoE)?
Did anything need to be done about the Enervation rings and EoS starmetal generally, or are they inert without the Eater to send captured souls to? Or somewhere in between, like maintaining some of the nice properties (strength, malleability/being shaped by magic/thought/vibration) and creating Enervation when under power, but not capturing souls?
Update: What would you have liked to have done with the Zodiacs? Who should they have ended up being to Blackjack? Would it just be like in the epilogue?
Both Boo and Morningstar ended up being less menacing than originally intended. Was there anyone who ended up more so, or did this only go in that direction? Did that sort of thing happen with anyone else?
You said that in many respects Littlepip might have been able to solve a lot of PH pretty easily if she'd been the one there instead of Blackjack. Do you think that there was anything that made all this something that required Blackjack and her friends/people very like them, or is it something that could have been done by a generic heroes/hero + friends group with very different characteristics?
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Hah, yes; even someone in-universe got it wrong! I didn't notice that aspect of the scene before. :)SilentCarto wrote:Well, but someone did put it on Blankjack's wrong -- that is to say, right -- leg. Must have been some Ranger, because anypony who grew up in a stable would know which leg it goes on.
That I'm afraid I do not know.SilentCarto wrote:On a side note: Do you supposed the chunk of soul that Cogs sliced off of BJ to get her cutie mark snapped back to the blank along with her memories, or did it die with Luna? I'm leaning toward the latter, which would probably be mostly for the best.
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Interesting idea.
Well, there is that bit in the opening of the Book of LittlePip.Ryx wrote:Maybe someone needs to make one of those "old timey educational videos" about PipBucks?
Aye, thanks. :)Ryx wrote:I'm glad you were able to finish the video too, I hope it was enjoyable.
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Okay, bit of an announcement: Somber has decided to go ahead without further revisions. Chapters that have had copies go up on FIMFiction may be considered locked, and corrections to them are to be not accepted. Sorry about this, but, well... I do understand that we need a definitive version at some point, the perfect is the enemy of the good, etc. Thank you all again for the help you've been in the past. :)
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SilentCarto wrote:I'm curious about this too.Bootleg wrote:Also, I want to show my appreciation for the music choice during the Legate fight scene in 77 there. Feuer Frei was the track, correct?
Well, it fits! And it even has a much calmer, more melodious song (Mutter) as the next track in the album.
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Notice how he's NOT a secret agent who participates in a car/helicopter chase with explosions.
Where else did we see such a nice and unobtrusive author's cameo? I can only remember the one from Galactica (although frak everything else about that one'e ending).
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O. Hinds wrote:Oh, was that a reference? Sorry, still never played Fo3.SilentCarto wrote:Liberty Prime?
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Star metal being something special is actually rather odd. In our reality, anything other than Hydrogen is made inside stars up to Iron and Nickel with heavier elements made in Supernova explosions or colliding stars. Stars that fuse metals are also theorized to exist. In our reality, everything except Hydrogen and helium is star metal.
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That's just semnatics though. I imagine more broadly applied Star metal is just loosely applied term for extra terrestrial material with exotic ( likely magical ) properties.
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Of course there are a handful of elements we've created here on earth that don't form naturally, but they're very unstable. We might be close though to creating stable super heavy elements but I'm just rambling now.~
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Thanks.Valikdu wrote:Well, you're not really missing much...
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Because Michael. Goddamn. Bay.WavemasterRyx wrote:It's really far too early in the morning for me to be trying to figure out the reasoning behind why a giant robot would want to represent his genitalia in such a fashion though.
Ohhhhhhh. Okay. I get it now. Thanks!WavemasterRyx wrote:Basically... it's just supposed to be the memorial from inside the church at Chapel.
Except that I went with the vertical / carbonite approach because I thought it looked more dramatic than having her on her back from the side.
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So it was implied that Whisper is pregnant with her second when she guess to see Fluttershy. Who's the father, then? (Not that I'd expect Psychoshy to go celibate after Stygius died, but...)
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That member of the band she looked back at at the time, as I recall.
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...oh, hah, I see. That just went over my head, I guess.O. Hinds wrote:That member of the band she looked back at at the time, as I recall.
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DotRook wrote:Of course there are a handful of elements we've created here on earth that don't form naturally, but they're very unstable. We might be close though to creating stable super heavy elements but I'm just rambling now.~
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- Sorry to burst your bubble, but probably not. As an astrophysicist I really respect once put it, it's hard to imagine a more effective neutron bombardment system than the inside of a supernova. If there were elements that could live on an "island of stability", we'd likely have them in hand already.
Don't get me wrong, the island of stability is a real effect, but it just means that those isotopes hold together for milliseconds rather than picoseconds.
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I see where you're coming from, and it's certainly something to consider. But there are a couple things about my personal interpretation of the situation that make me see it differently. First and most important, while Blackjack greatly gives of herself/sacrifices herself to help others, that's not what I've tended to interpret as her key "gift." Rather, I see her generosity most manifest her forgiveness and mercy, or at least the attempts at them. And there I don't think the same arguments against apply as well, because we saw so many times that she wished she could simply bear to play out her part as executioner, or not feel compassion and sympathy for the people who she's fighting against. How no matter how much she hates someone, it just never seems to stick once she gets a little bit of context. (Kind of makes me think a bit of Ender Wiggin, actually. Not quite the same, but related.) Hell, with Lighthooves she was trying as hard as she could to give him a way out. Also worthwhile to note on this point is that it's an important point of differentiation between Blackjack and Littlepip, for anyone who took Littlepip's self-assessment seriously, or took it further to simply say that she had bigger problems.swicked wrote:@Icy Shake
Something I wanted to say regarding the idea of Blackjack as Generosity.
*snip*
Also, I see the Elements as not only something that the Bearers represent/do themselves, but also what they value, believe in, or need. Twilight was, especially pre-retcon, seriously lacking friendship at the start of the show. Pinkie isn't only about laughter/optimism for herself, but spreading it, and goes nuts or turns into a complete asshole when she's rebuffed. Rarity's beliefs about how ponies worked generally in her "key" episode, or Blueblood in particular in "The Best Night Ever." Dash in "Mysterious Mare Do Well" can't bear it when it seems the town is turning its back on her (and as "What's Eating Rainbow Dash?" explores, if I remember correctly, how it probably didn't help that it was her best friends sticking the knife in). And there, Blackjack values forgiveness and second chances very, very highly, to the degree that it's what she's built her whole life around, and in one case tried to end it in part because of her offer of a second chance for 99 ended in failure and its death. To me, two of the simple, simple things she's built her life around, "Do better" and "Security saves ponies" are fundamentally aspects of generosity. The first directly via the forgiveness/mercy vector, the second as a side note to that in that she generally doesn't live on some kind of basis that Security saves some ponies, or the ponies who deserve it, or those who really want to be saved, it saves everypony, and not just ponies, either.
Anyway, for more (and how it could also apply to Magic), see here from two years ago.
And now that Whisper's Magic, I just love the idea of her pulling rank on Blackjack.
As for the purely logistical things, I don't see them as things that have to be problems. GoE, for instance, didn't really do much to the blanks or alicorns, and within PH itself Discord made a big point of chaos not being evil, order not good, and I could see that being extended to some forms/derivatives of chaos/Discord himself not actually being inconsistent with Harmony. As for there not being any earth ponies, I do not care and as far as I'm aware never cared. There wasn't an alicorn or batpony among the S1-S2 group of Bearers, after all. For that matter, no griffins, zebras, serpents, dragons, donkeys/mules, cows, or draconequi, either.
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For whatever it counts, I don't think Blackjack's 'special talent' is death. She thinks it's death, and she's repressing and struggling with that thought the entire story. It's the Wasteland, Ponies die all the time, but every time a death was even somewhat connected to Blackjack, she blamed herself. But Blackjack didn't directly kill Hatches.
Don't say it doesn't make sense. Blackjack's been making her allies, enemies, and us the readers sympathize with her plights for the entire story. She's just that good at it. And don't say it isn't related to her cutie mark: To Blackjack, her first victory in Blackjack was only possible because of her special talent. At the end of the day, the one thing that all the desolation and loss and pain couldn't get to, the one pony the wasteland couldn't quite break was Blackjack. It's just who Blackjack is: She was already broken.
What Blackjack did was, even though she'd lost fairly and the punishment was severe, she made Hatches sympathize with her enough to take the flogging/jailtime in Blackjack's place. Then, unrelated to anything Blackjack did, the hatch malfunctioned. Blackjack thinks her cutie mark is related to that death, but it's just as possible it was what came right before it. I think Blackjack's special talent is whining.“First one to leave always gets picked up by security. The others had won, and it was either going to be me or her leaving first. Getting picked up after curfew was three days locked in rehabilitation cells, or flogging. So Hatches and I had one more round to see who’d leave first. I lost.”
“Oh?”
“Yeah. Then I was such a whiny baby about it that she agreed to leave first anyway. Nice about it, though. Claimed she had to pee,”
Don't say it doesn't make sense. Blackjack's been making her allies, enemies, and us the readers sympathize with her plights for the entire story. She's just that good at it. And don't say it isn't related to her cutie mark: To Blackjack, her first victory in Blackjack was only possible because of her special talent. At the end of the day, the one thing that all the desolation and loss and pain couldn't get to, the one pony the wasteland couldn't quite break was Blackjack. It's just who Blackjack is: She was already broken.
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