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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
And I'm getting to benefit from not having a job for a while! Woo late night reading! It's been a while since I've really been able to do that on a Sunday.
Well, it's been an interesting chapter, and thank you all for all the work that went into it. Now just to see how it all ends up. But first, EFNW.
- Chapter Seventy Five Part Two Running Thoughts:
- What kind of idiot to you take me for?”
“An overbred one,” Triage snapped back. “Let me fill you in, Princess.
One of the rare times when it's acually appropriate to call someone "Princess" in the tone she probably is.
“Look, when it comes to shit regarding Blackjack, I don’t fucking pretend like any of it makes sense.
It all makes perfect sense if you were there. And read and listened to everything. And had the crazy soul trips and hallucinations.
“My oven... is not for... for... oooooh!” She stomped a hoof down on the ground. “If you want to use my oven, you’d better save the bakery from being demolished, understood?”
Well, it's a fair point. Not the biggest fan of how and when it's being handled, though. I do suppose, of course, that even though there'd be plenty of time later, you'd want to get it out of the oven that's going right up against the Legate and Eater before it does.
“Then they’d stop focusing on us and cut their way into the plantations!” she replied, facing him. “They might have been made by Stable-Tec, but they’re not stables; the Brood could get in easily.”
“That’s right. And every single pony in there is probably going to die,” he said grimly as he turned her again and stared into her eyes. Hard cobalt clashed with sky blue as he went on, “Because that’s what happens to peasants during war.”
Ouch. Though I suppose the Society was one of the safe points to fall back to, so having them leave beforehand raises the question: where? But given things as they are, at some point it does look like the question of whether to go down with the ship.
Then she lifted the bundle with her magic, a tingle ringing through her horn as she undid the knots in the twine. The cloth fell away, and the light shone silver off resplendent unicorns etched into a basket hilt and an elegant, slightly curving single-edged blade.
Hell yeah! Glad to see it's still around.
What was the measure of a pony? The blood in her veins? The money in her vault? The power she commanded? The respect she received?
It is neither caps nor gold that is our wealth!
Well, even from the more basic rather than inspire-the-troops sense, it's really the plantations and formerly the serfs.
With a speed and accuracy that would have done me proud, Grace reacted, her own blade flying up as if seeking the two Brood with a bloodthirsty eagerness. It connected with the sword of the first and spiraled up the blade, knocking the Brood’s weapon aside. As the silver sword curled around past the hilt, it whipped across the Brood’s neck, taking its head clean off.
Okay, so looks to me like yet more to possibly indicate that the starmetal sword wants to kill and will help you with it, and it wasn't all in Blackjack's head. Interesting that the Brood's counterparts don't seem to help that much. Maybe other enchantment is involved in addition to mere presence of the starmetal, maybe it becomes more powerful as it kills.
Huh. I didn't have Grace pegged as a high-level fighter.
Her silver sword flashed brightly in the afternoon sun, and the workers flocked to it, crushing any Brood in their path.
That's some irony right there.
Something struck her from behind, and her hindlegs gave out. There was a blinding flash of pain, and she screamed as her hooves clutched her forehead, blood rushing down between her eyes. The silver sword fell at her side, the revolver thudding into the grass... her severed horn landing beside it.
Whoa, there. That makes, what, the fourth de-horning, not counting the crack in Hammersmith's? Roses, Blackjack. Maybe just the third. But ouch, man. Never a good thing.
Then the ground exploded as a massive claw tore out of the earth and through the torso of the stunned cyborg. Its eyes were round with shock as the gnarled fingers curled around its spine and pulled, her body folding in two with a resounding wet snap as she disappeared into the earth. Then the owner of that claw emerged. Gnarled, monstrous hide the color of mud and studded with wiry tufts of fur. Maw overfilled with uneven jagged teeth. Huge oversized beam pistol that would be a rifle in any other hand and in such a state that it appeared to be one misfire away from exploding. The hellhound rose up, and the Brood backed away.
Nice entrance, nice description.
So, the cavalry has arrived. (Heh. Biped "cavalry" showing up for the horses.) Looks like Blackjack's appeal did convince them.
The hellhound blinked, then knelt. “Your home wrecked too?” he growled, still looking down despite his kneeling. “Our home blew up again. Always getting blown up.” He glared over his shoulder at where the green flame still roared out of the earth to the south.
Eh, still does better than Apple family barns.
“See to the hellhounds and take care of our own. We surely have stores enough to keep them well fed. And if not, there’s no lack of Brood...”
Okay, I'm not sure that offering the corpses of your slain foes is the peak of hosipitality, even if the guests are carnivores and the cannibalism taboo doesn't happen to be operative. Though I guess it should be fine if they eat around the augmentations, since hellhounds shouldn't be too bothered by the Brood being made from Flux.
I hoped they’d get Grace to the Collegiate. I wondered what Triage had been talking about, though. Nopony should have known about me being pregnant except for the ponies who’d been present when I’d gotten my wings. And how could they know I’d be returning in my old body?
What, really? I'd assumed that all that had been covered in one of the meetings. Homage knew, Goldenblood knew, it's implied that everyone in the war council knew: "Then I recounted everything from the destruction of Shadowbolt Tower to the appearance of the Nightmare Citadel. I tried to be as succinct as I possibly could. The only things that I omitted were details about Horizons and about the Eater of Souls. All they needed to know was that Cognitum wanted to fire up an unimaginably powerful machine that would either make her unstoppable or kill everyone on the planet."
Is this just a failure of analysis on Blackjack's part? Did she leave that out then as well? Even if so, it's not like there weren't others who certainly had at least partial knowledge. Is this meant as a hint that Glory is still alive?
More accurately, there was Bastard on a couch, with the young mare on top of him doing what plenty of young mares in 99 did to relieve stress and anxiety, his forehooves resting on her hips. . . And that part of me that hadn’t been interested in him in the slightest earlier now let off a warm purr at the sight of them together.
Interesting.
“She’s old enough to be on the queue, and she should have her implant,” I replied. “Why would I mind?” She wasn’t a filly anymore. It’d only been a day, but it felt as if she’d matured months, even years, since we’d left Equus.
Yeah, but would she have minded even the day before? And it shouldn't be forgotten that she considered Scotch old enough for her to surreptitiously watch her having sex through the Perceptitron.
I watched the two for a minute or so longer, but it really seemed neither was forcing the other. A part of me that I wasn’t sure was me protested my plan to go back into the blank. Really, would it be that bad if I watched a little more? Maybe gave myself a little...
Huh... Princess Luna a voyeur... Who knew?
Well, based on the conversation she'd had with Blackjack when she shared the details about what led to Goldenblood's estrangement from Fluttershy, Blackjack. Or at least it seemed pretty implied. Though I suppose it certainly could be fully distinct from Blackjack's old set of interests, exhibited by the Perceptitron use, since that was experiencing rather than watching proper.
I like the PipBuck jumping joke.
It hurt thinking about what happened to Glory and P-21. It hurt thinking about Rampage and Lacunae, too. I didn’t want to think about it. Think about how it had skewed my relationship with Scotch Tape.
Okay, so that tendency seems to have been part of the mind rather than the soul. Never seemed like Luna was in the habit of repression. Of her own feelings of course. Lots of other repression she engaged in readily.
Beep.
Oh...
Beep.
Oh, Sweet Sister, no.
Beep.
Okay, looks like a Luna bit.
“...should pull the plug... lost cause...” the first voice whispered.
“...told us not to... skies only knows why...”
Okay, suspicion it's Glory.
He pressed his mouth to its ear and let out a scream that sent spasms through the cyborg’s body. Then its brains dribbled out it nose and opposite ear canal. Stygius dropped the limp carcass into the chaos below, then smiled at Whisper and lifted his chalkboard with a heart drawn on it.
D'aww
“You there! You’re Beam Burn, right?” she said, then gestured to Tenebra. “Kiss her.”
The red earth pony mare’s eyes shot wide. “Um... I’m straight, Fluttershy.”
“Oh yeah? Well I'm straighter, but somepony’s got to kiss her and it’s not going to be me! I got my snogging buddy,”
So, is her homophobia lessening, taking a different form, or just relegated to the back seat for a moment in order to mess with Tenebra? So many wonderful possibilities.
I got turned on watching two other ponies doing it, but not when I’m one of them? Stupid alicorn soul that only liked to watch! Why couldn’t she be more like that unicorn trollop who screwed every… Wait. That was me! Argh!
Okay, wouldn't have guessed the one who did whatever it was with Goldenblood and said "night is the time for lovers" would feel quite that way, but it's not like it doesn't work.
“Still rusty at the whole ‘nice’ thing, aren’t you?” Tenebra muttered darkly.
Well, "rusty" implies that at some point she was good at it.
“OBLIVION!” King Hades roared, sending a sphere of shadow flying down the street at the mass of enemy Brood. The ten-foot-wide swirling orb of black fire consumed everything in its path.
See, having it be mobile like that might have been helpful in the fight with Blackjack. Or maybe it wasn't an option inside. Hmm.
Wonder if Hades's thing would work against Rampage or the Legate. I assume not, mostly for plot/let-down reasons.
He took a deep breath and strained, then bellowed, “ANULIATE!” and sent another sphere rocketing down the street.
is that some kind of combination of annihilate and annul?
“Absolutely, dear,” she answered, patting his shoulder. “Now, do be careful and aim the way you’re facing... and do try to use actual words.”
Okay then. :D
I swear, Persephone is just the best.
He stilled, hooves stretched towards the Brood as his eyes went from one female to the other. Finally, he slumped and fell to his knees, mouth working on the piece of chalk, and then he used a wing to fish something gold from his saddlebags. When he turned back to Whisper, hanging on his proffered wingtip was a ring-shaped earring set with a large teardrop-shaped moonstone, and in his mouth he held a simple message.
“Love U. Marry Me, Plz?”
!!!
Okay, this is just like one of the most PH things ever.
The gem sent out dozens of tiny rainbow sparkles as the afternoon light reflected off its milky adularescence.
See, that kind of word feels better coming from someone like Luna than Blackjack. Still iffy here, since I wouldn't think vocabulary would be as much of a soul thing as mind. Could also be an effect of the link with Whisper, and something Whisper had picked up from being with the batponies.
No, she fought as she sang, as if it were as natural to her as flying. She looped and whirled, and Stygius followed with her, the pair coiling and curling around each other, breaking apart to smash a flyer that moved to finish them off but seemed unable to hit them. And where was that music coming from? It seemed to follow her song, cutting through the rattle of gunshots and the boom of barrel bombs.
So, familiar with Horizon's Versebreaker project? When I saw that, it made me think of the battle effects of songs and musical numbers in PH, and how versebreaking could fit in as something some zebra specialists might do.
Well, that was an obscure song to pull. Weirdly different tone, feel, tempo than the surroundings, especially with what felt basically a constant intensity rather than something punctuated by peaks and lulls.
They formed the shape of three little words, and then he was falling, blood glimmering like rain in a crimson halo around him. There was no music. No sound at all as he fell from her outstretched hooves, his yellow bar gone from her E.F.S.
Holy fuck.
Then she struck a bank of old cables strung across the road, the thick, rubber-coated strands slowing her fall even more before they snapped and yanked right out of the wall. Her wings crackled like kindling under her.
That actually surprises me, given the deal made about how hard it's supposed to be to break pegasus wings.
Unfortunately, one thing that's kind of sticking in my mind here is well, looks like Tenebra was completely right.
Eh, not really feeling Hades's big outpouring of magic.
Sing.
How could she sing?
Oh, that must be (related to?) the secret weapon Blackjack had told Goldenblood about.
“Homage. Can you connect me to as many ponies across the Hoof as you can?”
Hmm. Singing as counter to Enervation/the Eater? Could maybe work as just a general combat enhancement, but I don't thing that would be consistent with no indication it had ever been tried/worked before as opposed to being spontaneous and not repeatable.
She’s lost her father and her friends, and you’re as distant as the fucking moon right now.
Nice.
“He promised me that... that if anything should happen... I... I...” I licked my lips, then held my stomach. “I had to save my babies. His babies. After going through so much to get them back, I had to.”
Well, beats telling her it was to make sure she lived, maybe.
It wasn’t my fault, though. Not really. Between Horizons and his injuries... maybe if I’d insisted on bringing Velvet Remedy and her friends, she might have done something. Keeping the Hoof intact was more important, though.
Whoa. Now there's some not-Blackjack.
I was responsible for this. They’d been my enemy and I’d wanted them defeated, but I’d never imagined that the weapons we’d wrought would continue to slay centuries later.
So, unexpected result of multiples interacting, just plain incomplete testing, or failure to read the fucking manual?
“The starmetal netting and magical fields would have easily captured it! But instead, it’s taking the scenic route. The sensible thing would have been a straight shot!”
But wasn't it always not a straight shot? Isn't that something that the Legate and his Starkatteri super orbital calculation talent should have told him? Or did he not think about the actual location of the lunar base?
“Life is a lot like you, Goldenblood. A rancid, festering corpse that, by some cruel joke of the universe, keeps struggling on, spreading pain and suffering. And I will crush it and you, you rotten little worm, under my hooves. I will end the joke and take my war to the stars so that they, too, can find the peace of nonexistence.
Wow that sounds like the Angel.
I really wanted more foals for this.
And although there can be practical concerns pushing in the same direction, that, too.
So it occurs to me that the Legate, based on his whole schtick now, shouldn't have ever wanted kids. Guess it was a cover, necessary to keep the trust of people he needed to work for him?
Ah, Pythia's back. She's fun.
Whisper hovered before him. “Me. You took my husband. You won’t take anything else.”
Weren't her wings crushed, then one of them badly shot? Are healing potions enough for that, or did she get some Hydra offscreen?
Also, not exactly. Future husband. But you've been through a lot and I guess I can let that slide. This time. But I'm watching you.
“Your face is annoying!” Whisper replied as she flashed forward again, but this time the Legate spun.
Callback to wet and clueless?
“He’s been at this for years. Who knows what he was doing in Hoofington during the war? The designs for the city were always odd. Strange additions and requests. Plans changing in the middle of the night. Everything was built so quickly, nopony put it all together. The Core was likely shut down, building up power for this. Celestia One gave him the energy he needed. Now he’ll bring it up, and be able to align it perfectly to catch and devour Tom when it impacts.”
Wasn't that Cogs's plan, the capture part, even though she didn't know this aspect existed? Is it even necessary?
Velvet Remedy turned to the purple alicorn. “Flash evacuation. Everyone except me, her, the fillies, him, and that yellow pegasus. That...” She froze as she seemed to take in Whisper for a moment.
HA!
She soared over and landed next to the others, a white mare on her back.
Boo? Would be appropriate for it to be pony, zebra, and two children of Discord, so to speak.
“Daddy told me all about needing to cut things close and stuff.”
Discord, I assume. Been upgraded from Unca, I see.
“I’m not going to kill somepony just because I can. We can lock him up somewhere!” Velvet protested.
1. OH MY GOD HAVE YOU BEEN PAYING ATTENTION YOU DUMB BITCH
2. FUCK YOU YOU GODDAMNED HYPOCRITE
“I do not like this city,” Velvet said sourly as she made her way to where the three strained. “Not one little bit.”
Well, the city probably doesn't like you. And I'm sure that there are plenty of others who don't like you. And I don't like you.
That said, he doesn't need his heart? Weird.
“Are you sure this won’t kill him?” she asked plaintively.
Everyone stared back at her, and all except the other purple alicorn and Majina shouted in unison, “Yes! Do it!”
“Look, I’m a pacifist, okay?!” she shouted back.
YOU KEEP SAYING THAT BUT YOUR ACTIONS AND THE COMPANY YOU KEEP BELIE THAT STATEMENT.
That heart didn’t regenerate him. It restored him. Kept his body locked in one state. Time was effectively stopped for his body,” the Starkatteri filly said, grinning wickedly. “Now it’s not. Now it’s catching up on him. A thousand years of growth and injury and all the pains of the flesh, at once. Plus all the nastiness that comes with having a cursed lump of rock in your chest for a couple millennia."
Ooh, that doesn't sound good for Rampage.
The Legate now reminded me of the enormous blue pony I’d once seen named Goliath.
Or, perhaps, the Warden
Goldenblood stared at that maw, that abomination that he had unwittingly served. I was such a fool. I should have trusted more in Glory. If she could hold on after the space--
Hmm.
Morning Glory was alive!
Sigh. Kinda disappointed here, but not surprised given things from the last three chapters.
- Chapter Seventy Five Part Two Editing:
- where Grimhoof army base had stood
"army base" should be capitalized
She tapped her PipBuck Broadcaster.
"broadcaster" shouldn't be capitalized
Grace nimbly darted aside as the other Brood switched its attention to Grace and swept its blade back and forth after the unicorn cleaving nothing but thin air as the unicorn danced away, living up to her name with effortless aplomb.
comma after first unicorn, maybe switch second "Grace" and second "the unicorn" to "her" and "she"
To think she’d resented father for insisting they learn proper swordsmare technique.
"father" should be capitalized
"Princess!" he cried out, and a couple more glanced back. Then the first slammed the fresh magazine in and turned back to the Brood charging the barricade. "For the princess!"
non-directional quotation marks
barrel braced against his knee, and fired with the scream “You bastards won’t touch her!”
comma after "scream"
but when his gun ran dry he, he just slapped another magazine in
delete first "he"
nd from the access ports that lead down to the plantations came a ripple as the enemy was pushed back
"led" not "lead"
Then from the ridge, came a horrifyingly familiar boom of cannon.
I don't think that comma should be there, or there should be another after "Then"
ith the cries of “Princess!” and “Princess Grace!” breaking over the gunfire.
(later)
As she was borne away, some of the defenders took up the cries of ‘Princess!’, ‘Grace!’ and ‘Victory!’.
quotation marks should match, with I think the first sets becoming singles
Eenie, Meenie, Miney... that one.
"meenie" adn "miney" shouldn't be capitalized
...I might as well. I poked my mind into a
only one space after period
Oh, Sweet Sister, no.
"Sweet" shouldn't be capitalized
The only thing I could hear was a distant, intermittent beeping and whispers in the dark.
possibly "things", "were"
rusting smoke stacks and girders as Brood fliers
based on earlier usage, "smokestacks"
the eastern fork of the Hoofington river.
"river" should be capitalized
The gem sent out dozens of tiny rainbow sparkles as the afternoon light reflected off its milky adularescence.
"the sky was turning red in the west" isn't really consistent with "afternoon".
She stroked his cheek with a bloody hoof, but he did not stir.
Softly, barely above a whisper, she began to sing again. The Brood surrounded her
need period after "her", maybe switch order of the Brood surrounding her and the sentence about her starting to sing? seems like a smoother transition
Now the evenings drawing nigh...
"evening's"?
Persephone rode Hades, calling out “Left, no, your other left, dear!” while others swooped down towards Whisper.
comma after "out"
over again while she waited to be reunited and happy once more..
should have one dot for period, or three for ellipsis
But, when friends near, loved ones so dear,
should there be a verb there, or "with" instead of "when"?
You do the craziest shit like its nothing!
"it's"
“If I ever do burst into some silly song though, shoot me please.
comma after "me"
Within the hour, I think.” Scotch Tape said as she examined
period should be comma, should have only one space after quotation
building after another alight. Some disintegrated
only one space after period
Sekashi lunged at the Legate’s back. “You-”
should be actual dash or have second hyphen
Thousand of shiny cables snaked down
"Thousands"
now half as tall as Shadowbolt tower had been
"tower" should be captalized
The M.o.I. tower itself wobbled ominously like a massive domino but oddly, remained intact.
shouldn't have comma, or should have one after "but" as well
The Ministry hub shifted with a booming thud as it
"Ministry" shouldn't be capitalized
His eyes narrowed as he blocked a blow of one of her power hooves, the stroke blasted his foreleg clean off only to have it return a half second later.
"blasted" should be "blasting"
a requiem!" Whisper screeched as she laid i
nondirectional quotation mark
“And you’re using Archimedes’s Lever technique,” Xenith replied levelly. “Control and conservation of force, returning it at your attacker. That is a lost style.”
Now he looked impressed. “Are you Achu? Tell me you’re Achu!” he said with a grin. “Ah, if only I weren’t about to end the world. I’d take you as one of my wives in an instant. I have quite a few openings in my harem.”
“No. I’ve had a bad husband, but at least he didn’t talk as much as you,” she answered levelly.
suggest changing one "levelly" to a synonym like "steadily" or "evenly"
dazed shock as Zenith and Whisper braced themselves.
"Xenith"
He’ll be perfectly mortal after that, and it’ll be in the Maiden’s hooves. Pythia stared
need closing quotation mark after "hooves."
Tendrils of flesh began to curl around the stoney heart, his muscles starting to bulge as the black fluid suddenly
"stony"
Lancer shouted as he and Boo were picked up by the alicorns., and started
delete the period
popped into view in front of the Legate and Goldeblood,
"Goldenblood"
Betelguese gives twenty to one odds
"Betelgeuese"
Ryx is right about Scotch's eyes. They've been teal/blue-green, described as either at various times but not as dark blue like P-21's. Unless it's a trick of Blackjack's mind . . .
- Overall:
- Okay, high point was definitely Stygius and Whisper, up through his death. Hades's reaction was a bit too much for me, and kind of pulled me out of things. Possibly due to how late it was, I'm not sure I ever quite recovered. The song was a mixed bag for me. Lyrically it was fine the first pass, but having heard it, it just doesn't seem to fit all that well musically. Might given a different performance, though. Persephone remains great, though I should point out that Tenebra was proved 100% correct about everything she was saying this chapter.
Liked the Society part, though it goes without saying that you really want a better plan than one that includes as pretty much its only feature "hope a miracle happens." So I can't judge Splendid too harshly.
The stuff on the ship all seemed kind of underwhelming. But the continuing development of who our protagonist is now is interesting, if kind of impeded by the fact that she's not doing very much at the moment.
End section was a mix. Liked the fight itself, and the effect of destroying the Legate's set point was cool. I'll need to see how things go with the Eater to say how that really is. Velvet is terrible and shouldn't be allowed to talk.
Disappointed but not surprised Glory is still alive. Maybe nothing will come of it, or maybe it's in some sense a false positive. But right now I'm just not especially feeling like that whole thing is very well handled. See, I don't see it in the same light as, say, it turning out that Sanguine was still alive, or even Deus. I don't know. Maybe it'll end up being the kind of thing that looks better in hindsight and is improved by regular sequential reading rather than the serial format.
@ Heartshine. Not so much the wrong crowd, but the wrong point in the story.
Well, it's been an interesting chapter, and thank you all for all the work that went into it. Now just to see how it all ends up. But first, EFNW.
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Hm. Strange. Sorry about that.atikin wrote:Yeah, I used this page. But now there is a link to part two in there. I don't know what the problem was, but it's OK now. Thanks.
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Ah, no, it is Blackjack's sword; sorry.Ryx wrote:I thought immediately that this might be Blackjack's sword finally coming back, but the complete lack of recognition makes that seem doubtful.
Ah, hm. They appear to be teal, and a quick irregular out-of-order look down at Icy Shake's error spotting agrees. Let's see...Ryx wrote:As far as I am aware, Scotch's eyes were supposed to be green, or at least it's been corrected that way in previous chapters... and it's really sad it would ruin this line.
Right, changing "snapped at me, glaring at me with her dark blue eyes... his eyes." to "snapped at me, giving me a glare so like his that I almost saw dark blue eyes instead of her teal.".
Hopefully that doesn't lose too much.
It was a bit short, but what was there was fine. :)Ryx wrote:Really not a great commentary, I apologize
@Icy Shake:
Ah, thank you.
Um, sorry, but pretty much all the sources I'm finding are saying that it's "Betelgeuse". Thanks for pointing out the spelling error, but why do you think that it (and presumably the occurrence of "Betelgeuse" in the chapter) is "Betelgeuese"?Icy Shake wrote:"Betelgeuese"
I've put my solution to this in my replies to Ryx.Icy Shake wrote:Ryx is right about Scotch's eyes. They've been teal/blue-green, described as either at various times but not as dark blue like P-21's. Unless it's a trick of Blackjack's mind . . .
:)Icy Shake wrote:Heh. Biped "cavalry" showing up for the horses.
Hades would rather not have blown holes in the walls of his own castle, yes. :)Icy Shake wrote:Or maybe it wasn't an option inside.
:)Icy Shake wrote:I swear, Persephone is just the best.
Again :).Icy Shake wrote:!!!
Okay, this is just like one of the most PH things ever.
I know of it, have it on a list, and did also think of it here, as I recall, but I've not actually gotten around to reading it yet.Icy Shake wrote:So, familiar with Horizon's Versebreaker project? When I saw that, it made me think of the battle effects of songs and musical numbers in PH, and how versebreaking could fit in as something some zebra specialists might do.
He obviously got flawed information somewhere. Where, I'm not sure.Icy Shake wrote:But wasn't it always not a straight shot? Isn't that something that the Legate and his Starkatteri super orbital calculation talent should have told him? Or did he not think about the actual location of the lunar base?
Part of it is the effect of Blackjack's work on the moon, I assume.Icy Shake wrote:Wasn't that Cogs's plan, the capture part, even though she didn't know this aspect existed? Is it even necessary?
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O. Hinds wrote:Um, sorry, but pretty much all the sources I'm finding are saying that it's "Betelgeuse". Thanks for pointing out the spelling error, but why do you think that it (and presumably the occurrence of "Betelgeuse" in the chapter) is "Betelgeuese"?Icy Shake wrote:"Betelgeuese"
I honestly can't say for sure. Looks like it was caught in a spell check pass, and rather than catching that the letters were reversed, I thought one was missing. It is a very e-heavy word, after all.
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- Skipping past everything else worth talking about as usual, (It's about as excellent as the last half-chapter. ) here's my speculation for Morning Glory: She's in a coma. As in, she's not going to be waking up anytime soon, if ever. Glory might be stuck in a hospital bed for months before she just... dies. And Blackjack knows that she isn't going to be coming back from fighting the EoS. Things would be much easier for BJ if Glory had simply died.
Even worse, the story doesn't have an Epilogue.
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Right. But because he's a hypocrite, he seems to me to phrase things in a more self-serving way like he is, like the Angel, doing them a favor, at least part of the time. Gotta say, though, he seems to be doing some massive projection of his problems onto other immortals, where there might have been some vague similarity with Celestia right after Littlehorn or the Goddess, but doesn't seem to fit well with Luna (as opposed to Cognitum) or Discord, or most of the stars, from what I can tell, and certainly not Tom.swicked wrote:There's actually a pretty big difference between them. The Angel killed to end pain. Amadi kills because he finds mortal life loathsome.Icy Shake wrote:Wow that sounds like the Angel.
He hates his past loves for growing old, ugly and dying. They are scum. Mortality is cruel and disgusting. It used to pain him, losing someone he loved, but now he sees mortals as the disposable, broken little things they are.
The Angel did not perform her killings out of hate. She felt what she was doing was right. She took pleasure in "helping" others and thwarting those that would stop her from performing her "benevolent" works.
Amadi just sees cockroaches everywhere, scurrying around, and he hates them. He wants to step on them. To rid them from existence.
The fact that he also marries them and has children with them is just hippocracy.
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Fair point, but it's not like the stars are actually forever, either. Maybe he's just being myopic, which could also account for thinking that immortality was a sufficient type of perspective independent of the sorts of things the princesses and Discord had going on, to say nothing of the stars. Hubris, and all that.swicked wrote:We can't know for sure, but I don't think he considers Celestia, Luna, and Discord immortals. The latter two died and the first is bodily dead, at least.Icy Shake wrote:Gotta say, though, he seems to be doing some massive projection of his problems onto other immortals, where there might have been some vague similarity with Celestia right after Littlehorn or the Goddess, but doesn't seem to fit well with Luna (as opposed to Cognitum) or Discord, or most of the stars, from what I can tell, and certainly not Tom.
The immortals he's comparing himself to are the other stars which the zebra teach as being malevolent and wanting the destruction of the living.
...so yeah, given he could stand near the Eater and consider himself to be even remotely in the same league he had a very, very big ego, indeed.
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Icy Shake wrote:
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What was the measure of a pony? The blood in her veins? The money in her vault? The power she commanded? The respect she received?
What Makes A Man AMV
Velvet is terrible and shouldn't be allowed to talk.
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- I've been thinking of that AMV ever since Stronghoof was introduced, heh...
Pretty much. At least Somber kept her well 'in character', right?
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Ah, no, it is Blackjack's sword; sorry.Ryx wrote:I thought immediately that this might be Blackjack's sword finally coming back, but the complete lack of recognition makes that seem doubtful.Ah, hm. They appear to be teal, and a quick irregular out-of-order look down at Icy Shake's error spotting agrees. Let's see...Ryx wrote:As far as I am aware, Scotch's eyes were supposed to be green, or at least it's been corrected that way in previous chapters... and it's really sad it would ruin this line.
Right, changing "snapped at me, glaring at me with her dark blue eyes... his eyes." to "snapped at me, giving me a glare so like his that I almost saw dark blue eyes instead of her teal.".
Hopefully that doesn't lose too much.It was a bit short, but what was there was fine. :)Ryx wrote:Really not a great commentary, I apologize
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- Oh, it is? So the one Boo ended up bringing was "another one", or I suppose they could have picked it up from Grace...
That should work okay... hopefully...
I always thought they were a more "bright green" than "teal", but that's probably just me being wrong, like with earlier Blackjack's sclera...
Well thank you, sir, I'm glad you think so, at least.
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Oh and I noticed talk of a patreon, I don't really know if it's started yet, but might I suggest waiting until PH concludes? You've been accused of killing other stories, no doubt if you open it and your story once again is stretched (not saying that's a bad thing) you'll be accused of stretching it to prolong your relevance (you do have an audience now and who can really say what'll happen to it when the story reaches it's conclusion and you move on to your next project) to make more money on the service.
Of course that's just a (well meaning) suggestion, feel free to ignore it.
Of course that's just a (well meaning) suggestion, feel free to ignore it.
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Ah. :)Icy Shake wrote:
I honestly can't say for sure. Looks like it was caught in a spell check pass, and rather than catching that the letters were reversed, I thought one was missing. It is a very e-heavy word, after all.
No, the current plan is to have an epilogue. Though, given your capitalization there, did you mean something else?Derpmind wrote:...
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Skipping past everything else worth talking about as usual, (It's about as excellent as the last half-chapter. ) here's my speculation for Morning Glory: She's in a coma. As in, she's not going to be waking up anytime soon, if ever. Glory might be stuck in a hospital bed for months before she just... dies. And Blackjack knows that she isn't going to be coming back from fighting the EoS. Things would be much easier for BJ if Glory had simply died.
Even worse, the story doesn't have an Epilogue.
(And no comment on the rest of that, of course. :))
@swicked regarding the Psychoshy posts:
Nice. :)
:)Ryx wrote:Well thank you, sir, I'm glad you think so, at least.
Um, the Patreon has already been open for a while, as far as I know.Last wrote:Oh and I noticed talk of a patreon, I don't really know if it's started yet, but might I suggest waiting until PH concludes? You've been accused of killing other stories, no doubt if you open it and your story once again is stretched (not saying that's a bad thing) you'll be accused of stretching it to prolong your relevance (you do have an audience now and who can really say what'll happen to it when the story reaches it's conclusion and you move on to your next project) to make more money on the service.
Of course that's just a (well meaning) suggestion, feel free to ignore it.
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swicked wrote:In my opinion Amadi is as close as this fic comes to big "e" Evil any living being comes.
He can justify things any way he wants... the minds of the Brood are based on his own and you can see how cruel and sadistic they could be. As soon as they had minds and semi-independance they began to enjoy the slaughter.
I don't see any altruism in his actions... just justifications for what he enjoys.
He really is just a psychpath. A psychopath with power.
...or, at least, he was.
I think he's simply a nihilist. Lots of world destroying villains are like that, and that's what makes them loathesome. Say what you want about the tenets of national socialism, at least it's an ethos.
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- Okay, we decided to make another change to the chapter:
In the Scotch/Bastard scene,
has been changed to“Wait,” Bastard said with a wry arched brow. “You don’t mind me rutting your underaged... whatever?”
“She’s old enough to be on the queue, and she should have her implant,” I replied. “Why would I mind?” She wasn’t a filly anymore. It’d only been a day, but it felt as if she’d matured months, even years, since we’d left Equus.
“Okay, cool then. ‘Fraid you were going to kill the fun or something,” he said. “Now, where were we?”
Having some good feelings, apparently. “You sure you’re good with this?” I asked her, tilting my head.
“I started this, Blackjack,” Scotch Tape said. “Just... come back later.”“Wait,” Bastard said with a wry arched brow. “You don’t mind me rutting your underaged... whatever?”
“Quit treating me like a fucking kid," Scotch interrupted before I could answer. "I was supposed to be on the queue months ago. I've got my implant. I want this. I need this. It's happening.” Her outburst earned a look of wide-eyed surprise from Bastard. I supposed I really couldn't mind after a retort like that. There was no denying it: she just wasn’t a filly anymore. She'd already been a brave young mare in her own right when we'd left Equus, and while it’d only been a day since then, it felt as if she’d matured further months, even years.
"I, uh, so no, I don't mind," I added lamely.
“Okay... Cool, then. ‘Fraid you were going to kill the fun or something,” he said, rapidly regaining his composure. “Now, where were we?”
Having some good feelings, apparently. Though with everything that had been going on... I looked at her and tilted my head. “You're really sure--” I started to ask her.
“Yes, Blackjack,” Scotch Tape snapped. “Just... come back later.”
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Neat. More assertive Scotch is nice.O. Hinds wrote:
- Okay, we decided to make another change to the chapter:
In the Scotch/Bastard scene,has been changed to“Wait,” Bastard said with a wry arched brow. “You don’t mind me rutting your underaged... whatever?”
“She’s old enough to be on the queue, and she should have her implant,” I replied. “Why would I mind?” She wasn’t a filly anymore. It’d only been a day, but it felt as if she’d matured months, even years, since we’d left Equus.
“Okay, cool then. ‘Fraid you were going to kill the fun or something,” he said. “Now, where were we?”
Having some good feelings, apparently. “You sure you’re good with this?” I asked her, tilting my head.
“I started this, Blackjack,” Scotch Tape said. “Just... come back later.”“Wait,” Bastard said with a wry arched brow. “You don’t mind me rutting your underaged... whatever?”
“Quit treating me like a fucking kid," Scotch interrupted before I could answer. "I was supposed to be on the queue months ago. I've got my implant. I want this. I need this. It's happening.” Her outburst earned a look of wide-eyed surprise from Bastard. I supposed I really couldn't mind after a retort like that. There was no denying it: she just wasn’t a filly anymore. She'd already been a brave young mare in her own right when we'd left Equus, and while it’d only been a day since then, it felt as if she’d matured further months, even years.
"I, uh, so no, I don't mind," I added lamely.
“Okay... Cool, then. ‘Fraid you were going to kill the fun or something,” he said, rapidly regaining his composure. “Now, where were we?”
Having some good feelings, apparently. Though with everything that had been going on... I looked at her and tilted my head. “You're really sure--” I started to ask her.
“Yes, Blackjack,” Scotch Tape snapped. “Just... come back later.”
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- fucking kid," Scotch interrupted before I could answer. "I was
"I, uh, so no, I don't mind," I added lamely.
non-directional quotation marks
Huh. Warning's new. Well, guess that case is fairly different from all the other stuff, not being covered by the old "rape and snuff porn" comic.
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@Hinds Huh, fairly certain I saw a good luck or two recently. Made me think it hadn't started yet. Or at least was fairly new. My mistake.
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O. Hinds wrote:
- Okay, we decided to make another change to the chapter:
In the Scotch/Bastard scene,has been changed to“Wait,” Bastard said with a wry arched brow. “You don’t mind me rutting your underaged... whatever?”
“She’s old enough to be on the queue, and she should have her implant,” I replied. “Why would I mind?” She wasn’t a filly anymore. It’d only been a day, but it felt as if she’d matured months, even years, since we’d left Equus.
“Okay, cool then. ‘Fraid you were going to kill the fun or something,” he said. “Now, where were we?”
Having some good feelings, apparently. “You sure you’re good with this?” I asked her, tilting my head.
“I started this, Blackjack,” Scotch Tape said. “Just... come back later.”“Wait,” Bastard said with a wry arched brow. “You don’t mind me rutting your underaged... whatever?”
“Quit treating me like a fucking kid," Scotch interrupted before I could answer. "I was supposed to be on the queue months ago. I've got my implant. I want this. I need this. It's happening.” Her outburst earned a look of wide-eyed surprise from Bastard. I supposed I really couldn't mind after a retort like that. There was no denying it: she just wasn’t a filly anymore. She'd already been a brave young mare in her own right when we'd left Equus, and while it’d only been a day since then, it felt as if she’d matured further months, even years.
"I, uh, so no, I don't mind," I added lamely.
“Okay... Cool, then. ‘Fraid you were going to kill the fun or something,” he said, rapidly regaining his composure. “Now, where were we?”
Having some good feelings, apparently. Though with everything that had been going on... I looked at her and tilted my head. “You're really sure--” I started to ask her.
“Yes, Blackjack,” Scotch Tape snapped. “Just... come back later.”
... This isn't new information about the queue, I suppose. But I always at least hoped given what we knew about the overmare and her mother that at the very least there was some segregation involving age. Because even within 99 who has one of the sexes born into a rape role that there were at least some standards. Nope.
A while ago there was some mention of the best darn momy ending with some relation to BJ, she really seems like an unfit parent to me.
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- About newest chapter:
I must be honest, Scotch's sex scene almost made me... not dislike the chapter, but not like it as much as others. I don't really know why, but I similarly didn't like Glory having sex with Splendid. I... think because of some other tales I read (Cloudsdale Academy, Motherly Scootaloo), I don't like the thought of characters I care about have sex when not in a relationship. I just kept thinking that the guy thinks "Oh yeah, I'm so lucky" and stuff. BlackjackxStygius somehow managed to work for me, because Stygius was too concerned with this being his first time... and that Blackjack was worried that she might rip off his head. And that we quickly got to know him and that he wasn't a douche. But it still upset me.
However, two things had made this work for me. One, showing that Bastard was unsettled afterwards, showing that he at least has some decency. And two... Now, while waiting for the next chapters, I can imagine Glory beating the shit out of Blackjack for letting Scotch have sex with complete stranger. :D I mean, if she had flipped out after Blackjack gave her Party-Time Mintals, how will she react to this?
As for the rest, it was great. As in a great work of storywritting and such. I obviously don't think Stygius' death was 'great' as in 'good'. Though I'll be honest, the moment he proposed, I kept thinking: "Oooh, don't you do it Somber, don't you do it!". But then again, Ithought Whisper would have been the one to die. The fact that he was is much more painful.
Loved the death (?) of Legate, very fitting for him.
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Curious because it's scenes like these that make me like these characters more. It highlights just how fundamentally different their upbringing made them from other "normal" people. Sex was just a way of unwinding or passing time similar to how we would play video games. The profound cultural differences drew me to this fic in the first place because it provided me so many opportunities to pick things apart and just understand the whys and hows of how Blackjack's society worked and how it influenced her life and how this affects her interactions with those outside her group. I'm extremely curious about how Blackjack is going to raise her kids and how other people are going to react to it.
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With any luck by removing them from her custody.
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I disagree. Given the conditions of the wasteland and Blackjack's experiences her parenting is hardly dangerous given the conditions. There is no way she isn't going to bring them back to 99 for implants if they're female. She has a good moral compass, but a skewed viewpoint on the nature of social relationships. If anything she is a better mother than most since her children are more than likely going to end up moral and noble instead of having the typical "amoral, only in it for themselves" wastelander morality.
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If they survive her bringing them into battle, her ignoring what they're trying to tell her as they grow as she's done with many of her companions when it's conveniant for herself, her alcholism. And the cherry on the cake her allowing adults to have sex with them.
She is not someone who should have responsibility for anyone's children. Period. Not even her own.
She is not someone who should have responsibility for anyone's children. Period. Not even her own.
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And all of those things are not uncommon in the wasteland. My problem with your position is that I believe that you're comparing her style with modern normal practices. The wasteland is screwed up six ways to Sunday and normal doesn't exist as we know it so comparing it to "normal" is completely pointless from my perspective. However considering the circumstances and the setting of the story she honestly comes across as the best candidate in the wasteland since she actually cares about people and is willing to raise them in a way that promotes friendship, which is the cornerstone of the entire setting.
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Downloaded Skill wrote:And all of those things are not uncommon in the wasteland. My problem with your position is that I believe that you're comparing her style with modern normal practices. The wasteland is screwed up six ways to Sunday and normal doesn't exist as we know it so comparing it to "normal" is completely pointless from my perspective. However considering the circumstances and the setting of the story she honestly comes across as the best candidate in the wasteland since she actually cares about people and is willing to raise them in a way that promotes friendship, which is the cornerstone of the entire setting.
So you're argument is pretty much "It's the wasteland" which pretty much will excuse every immoral thing BJ does. Am I correct in that assumption? I desperately need to know if that's the argument your going with. Because if it is there's no point at all in arguing against it. It's just a waste of my time.
I think that regardless of where you are, allowing that to happen to a child will cause harm to them and remains immoral wherever you go because of it. Not because normal with quotes around it.
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Yeah, I know this flesh outs their characters, shows that they've been brought up in a different enviroment and all. With that I have no problem. I just feel bad because I don't like to imagine what the guys they're doing think about them.
Also:
I know that's not exactly accurate, but I couldn't help myself from making the reference, sorry ;p
In all honesty, I think Blackjack would be a great mother... assuming there would be somebody who actually grew up in a real family to help her along. *hint hint*. But joking about taking kids from her is a bit too far.
Also:
Her f***ing moral compass is a roulette field!Downloaded Skill wrote:She has a good moral compass
I know that's not exactly accurate, but I couldn't help myself from making the reference, sorry ;p
In all honesty, I think Blackjack would be a great mother... assuming there would be somebody who actually grew up in a real family to help her along. *hint hint*. But joking about taking kids from her is a bit too far.
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That's not a joke Borsuq, I don't have a problem with BJ having a role in their lives. Like being able to visit and spend time with them. But someone else should definitely have responsibility over them.
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Last you wound me by making my position sound like that. Simply stated no one in the wasteland is going to be a fit mother. The place is too messed up and people were changed on a fundamental level. As a result you really have to look at the options available in the setting. Given the amount of choices BJ could reasonably make when it comes to building future generations there really aren't any good choices. While BJ is not perfect I believe she is the "best of the worst" since she has the moral compass and the drive to bring people together and build a functioning civilized society that can survive and thrive. There is not a doubt in my mind she will past that belief onto her children and anyone who followers her. Given the choices available I believe Blackjack is the best choice and while choosing something more that we're comfortable with would have been nice if it's not one of the options we have to choose from bringing it into consideration is a waste of time.
She has a philosophy that is downright progressive for the setting and has created the society bonds and friendships that are the corner stone of the whole meta of the show. Without things like this giving people a nudge in the right direction they will inevitably fall back into old behaviors. These beliefs have to be passed onto the next generation for the setting to reach anything resembling normal.
She has a philosophy that is downright progressive for the setting and has created the society bonds and friendships that are the corner stone of the whole meta of the show. Without things like this giving people a nudge in the right direction they will inevitably fall back into old behaviors. These beliefs have to be passed onto the next generation for the setting to reach anything resembling normal.
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Like I said I haven't read the last few chapters, waiting for them all to come out to do so. Don't know who is left alive. But what about Charity? She seems to be doing rather well taking care of the other children.
What about Glory's sisters? They lived in a family with many children. We know parental responsibilty had to be shared among the siblings because of it. I know Glory helped raise the youngest in fact. They seem like a good fit.
I'm sure there are more than that, that could do the job and owe BJ at least one favor. She in my opinion lacks the mental faculties, partly because of where she was raised and partly because of her traumas and behaviors. What happened with Scotch is just one more thing piled on top.
What about Glory's sisters? They lived in a family with many children. We know parental responsibilty had to be shared among the siblings because of it. I know Glory helped raise the youngest in fact. They seem like a good fit.
I'm sure there are more than that, that could do the job and owe BJ at least one favor. She in my opinion lacks the mental faculties, partly because of where she was raised and partly because of her traumas and behaviors. What happened with Scotch is just one more thing piled on top.
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I'm not bringing those into consideration because I don't think the exact information who survived and who hasn't has been confirmed yet. I'm merely working with the information I have.
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Ah, thanks.Icy Shake wrote:
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fucking kid," Scotch interrupted before I could answer. "I was
"I, uh, so no, I don't mind," I added lamely.
non-directional quotation marks
No problem, I think.Last wrote:@Hinds Huh, fairly certain I saw a good luck or two recently. Made me think it hadn't started yet. Or at least was fairly new. My mistake.
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Thanks for the clarification. Apart from my view being early-to-mid teen, due to some things Somber had said elsewhere about Blackjack's age, that sounds pretty much like I'd have expected.swicked wrote:I want to post an explanation for both this scene and the edits themselves.O. Hinds wrote:
- Okay, we decided to make another change to the chapter:
In the Scotch/Bastard scene,has been changed to“Wait,” Bastard said with a wry arched brow. “You don’t mind me rutting your underaged... whatever?”
“She’s old enough to be on the queue, and she should have her implant,” I replied. “Why would I mind?” She wasn’t a filly anymore. It’d only been a day, but it felt as if she’d matured months, even years, since we’d left Equus.
“Okay, cool then. ‘Fraid you were going to kill the fun or something,” he said. “Now, where were we?”
Having some good feelings, apparently. “You sure you’re good with this?” I asked her, tilting my head.
“I started this, Blackjack,” Scotch Tape said. “Just... come back later.”“Wait,” Bastard said with a wry arched brow. “You don’t mind me rutting your underaged... whatever?”
“Quit treating me like a fucking kid," Scotch interrupted before I could answer. "I was supposed to be on the queue months ago. I've got my implant. I want this. I need this. It's happening.” Her outburst earned a look of wide-eyed surprise from Bastard. I supposed I really couldn't mind after a retort like that. There was no denying it: she just wasn’t a filly anymore. She'd already been a brave young mare in her own right when we'd left Equus, and while it’d only been a day since then, it felt as if she’d matured further months, even years.
"I, uh, so no, I don't mind," I added lamely.
“Okay... Cool, then. ‘Fraid you were going to kill the fun or something,” he said, rapidly regaining his composure. “Now, where were we?”
Having some good feelings, apparently. Though with everything that had been going on... I looked at her and tilted my head. “You're really sure--” I started to ask her.
“Yes, Blackjack,” Scotch Tape snapped. “Just... come back later.”
The scene received some strong negative responses due to Scotch being perceived as much younger than she is. She was, per her introduction, a few months short of being put on the breeding cue. Despite fanarts making her as small as a CMC I placed her as in her mid to late teens (I don't know what view on her the others had, I don't remember any discussion over her exact age prior to the release) having gotten her mark late in life because 99 doesn't give a damn what a mare is good at. Each mare to takes over the job of her mom, no exceptions. This means, if someone's special talent isn't the exact same thing as their mom's and their mom's mom's and etc. all the way back, or isn't something that can be picked up recreationally (via gambling or sex or... actually, that's it, really), one could potentially NEVER get their cutie mark.
This was likely the case with Scotch. Her talent is in making new things. Construction and the like. Her job in 99 was to maintain things exactly the way they are.
Yes, Bastard calls her underage. He doesn't actually know her age, though. A lot younger than he is, at least, but she came on to him. Really aggressively, too. He just went with it because he's a bastard.
All of that said the scene actually did give the majority of the editors some level of pause on first read (though I personally don't like ANY sex or romance scenes so I'm never much of a good judge). We considered a disclaimer and Somber actually removed the scene from the story for about a week... but no alternatives fit right. Scotch is sad, she's a 99 mare, she's going to deal with her problems the way a 99 mare would. The issue was stalling the chapter and got tabled and then, weeks later, we'd moved on.
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So is Switchblade a liar or are you pulling this out of your ass?
http://sw1tchbl4de.deviantart.com/art/Project-Horizons-Cover-261570078
Read the description. Particularly the part of Somber correcting descrepencies, then look at scotch (who to my memory was not an original member of the cover so Somber likely talked to him about her design) does she look mid to late teens? Or does she look exactly like the CMC?
Look, this is a story about the wasteland. There will undoubtadly be uncomfortable topics brought up, so I'm not arguing againt it being present. But this seems like you guys are lying to make BJ look better.
Even forgetting the image multiple times I've brought up Scotch's age here guessing at ten to thirteen because of the picture and the fact she didn't have her cutiemark and was never corrected. So why now?
Edit: Confirmed Scotch wasn't originally there. Look at the edit.
http://sw1tchbl4de.deviantart.com/art/Project-Horizons-Cover-261570078
Read the description. Particularly the part of Somber correcting descrepencies, then look at scotch (who to my memory was not an original member of the cover so Somber likely talked to him about her design) does she look mid to late teens? Or does she look exactly like the CMC?
Look, this is a story about the wasteland. There will undoubtadly be uncomfortable topics brought up, so I'm not arguing againt it being present. But this seems like you guys are lying to make BJ look better.
Even forgetting the image multiple times I've brought up Scotch's age here guessing at ten to thirteen because of the picture and the fact she didn't have her cutiemark and was never corrected. So why now?
Edit: Confirmed Scotch wasn't originally there. Look at the edit.
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I recall sometime in the last year Somber saying something (on Reddit, maybe?) that made me believe Blackjack was 17-19, and Scotch Tape was no more than five years younger than that. Checking . . . okay, here we go (emphasis mine):
And according to someone on the thread she'd already been on the queue?
(Edited to add bold to quotation.)
LinkIn 99, age of consent was roughly a 5 year gap. If you were within 5 years then people looked the other way because otherwise the young population would be in rebellion. In my head, Blackjack is 17 and Scotch Tape is 12. Maybe that explains why I don't think it's so outrageous. But 99 ruthlessly and aggressively made sex as untitilating as possible to keep mares from sympathizing with stallions, and to keep mares from breaking the rules to get at stallions.
The problem I think most people have is sex in 99 is 99% recreational. There's not a lot of stuff to do, so people find people to do. This leads to all kinds of emotional and relationship dysfunction. Really, if there was a fetish, there were ponies doing it. The big bench marks were consent and incest, because the parent and child were housed together.
And according to someone on the thread she'd already been on the queue?
(Edited to add bold to quotation.)
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