Re: [Official!] Project Horizons Comment Crew Chat thread.

[Frost]

Nyarlathotep came to the Dreamlands not to be served, but to serve. Hear him speak the parable of The Good Yithian, or ancient tale of the Shuggoth who slew 5,000 Star-Spawn with the jawbone of a Mi-Go

[Guest]

@Cobalt: I grew up in a super-Protestant psycho-church, son. I remember being given Chick Tracts to read and distribute in an entirely un-ironic fashion. 

@Last: I still think you're seeing an issue where there is none. Schools that allow transgendered students haven't had any issues with harassment or assault, and, should issues arise, conventional reporting methods will suffice. The more attention is drawn via regulations and parent-school conferences to the issue, the more it hurts the plight of students who are already discriminated against for being transgendered--especially since you're implicitly accusing people who are already seen as 'creepy' and weird by a fair set of the population of being rapey, creepy molesters. 

The issue isnt a target for abuse because, as has been brought up, the bulk of transgendered people stay in the closet--pretty much no one is going to claim that whole barrel of issues just to maybe get to see/grab some tits'n'butts'n'stuff

Frost are you kdding me? Are you serious? You are trying to say that I even slightly implied that trans people are rapey? Point it out. I want you to. That is digusting that you would suggest that I was saying that. I was saying non transgender assholes might take advantage of the situation. And to be honest I was never implying rape to begin with, the worst case scenario I was thinking of was some horny guy with a girlfriend calling himself transgender so he had place to have sex with her at school.

That's what I meant when I said teen mom. There are a few consentual pregnancies out there.

And when I was talking about a "boy" I was just saying it's within the realm of possibility that a female student might be uncomfortable showering with a male student and the parents might not like that. Not that the trans girl was looking to rape or sexually assault someone.

And to be honest here Just because something is not a problem at the moment doesn't mean it will never be a problem. I'd hope trans people were more accepted in the future, what about then?

[Frost]

The reasoning behind keeping the genders separate was, at least in part, fairly explicitly based on the (unfounded) fear of rape and harassment. 

I don't know where you keep getting this idea that students have the time and/or inclination to fuck at school (and, in any case, most upperclass students just drive POV's to school anyway that already provide that opportunity.) 99.97% of the fuckin' goes on outside the school, dude. The "issue" of trans-bathroom use is the fear of less-than-consensual behavior. 

And when I was talking about a "boy" I was just saying it's within the realm of possibility that a female student might be uncomfortable showering with a male student and the parents might not like that

And if the transgirl is uncomfortable showering with a bunch of dudes (and, more than likely, would actually be harassed or attacked in such an environment at some point)? Just fuck what she's comfortable, right?

[Guest]

Frost you are aware that girls in highschool can be really fucking mean right? Like they can also harass the trans person in the locker room just as easily as the males the can.

[Guest]

@ Frost Well that isn't the argument I was making, someone else might have and thank you for pinning that on me but I certainly wasn't making it.

I didn't say that at all. But what's the solution Frost? Is it reasonable to trade one person's comfort for anothers? I don't know that.

[Frost]

Frost you are aware that girls in highschool can be really fucking mean right? Like they can also harass the trans person in the locker room just as easily as the males the can.

Statistics would suggest they're a lot less likely to get physically violent with the trans-person in question, and there's the factor that you're surrounded by your teenaged peers of the opposite gender harassing and heckling you (conventionally held to be more stressful and embarrassing on the person in question) otherwise; and the mere notion that you're a girl/boy being forced to use the boys'/girls' restroom because of what other people think of you and your sex. 

@Last: Alright, then, fuck it. Subtract the non-issue of rape, and you're left with the idea that it'll suddenly become in vogue to take time out of one's busy, shitty day to have a quickie in the dirty, crowded bathroom or locker room at the low, low cost of being opened up to harrasment, insults, and physical violence. 

And, no, I'm not saying that one's person's comfort is more valuable than another's--and that's exactly why you can't just write off the transgendered party's wellfare for the cisgendered party's. The most obvious solution is a more private shower facility, but, failing that, a compromise could be reached via more regulated or scheduled use of the facilities as implimented on an ad-hoc basis

[Guest]

@Frost If you believe that transgender people will always and forever be subject to physical violence then I guess you would never see the possibility for a problem. Because of that the solution that the advantages are vastly outweighed by disadvantages will always be valid. Guess everyone prepares for getting shot in the chest by wearing a bullet proof vest after it happens. It'd be pointless anytime before.

On your second point. I would agree with that solution. It's pretty good.

[Frost]

@Frost If you believe that transgender people will always and forever be subject to physical violence then I guess you would never see the possibility for a problem.

If you're trying to crack down on teens having sex, the bathrooms of a high school, trans-tolerant or not, are pretty damn low on the priority list.

Because of that the solution that the advantages are vastly outweighed by disadvantages will always be valid.

You mind rephrasing that? You just blew my mind--Some David Lynch shit right there. 

Guess everyone prepares for getting shot in the chest by wearing a bullet proof vest after it happens. It'd be pointless anytime before.

Law bears an inherent issue of balancing allowing freedom for the law-abiding in the present and attempting to curtail future violations of crime. A reasonable effort to enforce any 'no fuckin' in the bathroom' policies, if necessary, could be implemented, but specific groups (such as the transgendered) should not be targeted or harmed intentionally or incidentally by them.

[Harmony Ltd.]

Can I just, like, go to the bathroom already, please?

I'm going to piss myself there...

[Guest]

In fairness to Last, it's entirely possible that Kentucky is such a pisshole of a state that things which work in other, more civilized, first-world, microbrew-sipping, crepe-making, pumpkin-producing, snow-having, ending-with-Assachusetts states wouldn't work the same way in Kentucky.

Anyway, here's my thinking overall on sexual misconduct of teenagers: removing opportunity doesn't work. There will always be opportunities, unless maybe you lobotomize all of 'em and stick their brains in jars that are electronically hooked up to telepresence robots. Which I sincerely doubt anyone will go for, particularly in Kentucky, since it's A) unholy, and B) a huge waste of government resources. (It's also currently unfeasible, but never mind that.) What will work is education, which means bringing the Bible Belt out of, well, biblical times' understanding of sex.

Anyway, it's no longer Saturday night, which means it's no longer alright for fightin' in my book. Peace!

[Harmony Ltd.]

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[Guest]

Oh, man, MA is gonna get fucking inundated with snow over the next couple days. I'd pretty much given up on Winter this year, I thought the couple inches we got a few days ago were gonna be it, and I was thankful for 'em... but this is looking like a proper blizzard. We're talking Warcraft 3: The Frozen Throne-era Blizzard, not PandaTown or Heroes of the Drizzle Blizzard. If I'm incommunicado after Monday night, assume the power's dead and we're burning wood for heat. :P

[Scienza]

@Bathrooms'nShit
I'd throw in my perspective as a super-closeted-IRL transgirl, but I think Frost has covered pretty much everything I'd say.

On an unrelated note:

[O. Hinds]

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I do rather like these monks, yes. :)

[Katarn]

how happened I haven't seen that yet?:

[Guest]

Frostbait? It's a show where they briefly talk about firearms and how they've appeared in games. Not sure how accurate the information on the guns are as quite frankly I don't know jack shit about them.

[Guest]

@Last
Works for me. I lost it at the frickin' tiger stripes golden Desert Eagle.

[RoboRed]

Reminds me of a skin I had a long time ago for the Desert Eagle in CS:S. Black with gold trim and a golden hammer and sickle implanted onto the grip. I called it "Lenin's Fist". Good times...

[Frost]

Man, I love the Deagle. After I transition, I'll need something to compensate.

[RoboRed]

Here it is: http://css.gamebanana.com/skins/52975

[Guest]

Completely unrelated, does anyone like Korrasami? Found an amazing, barely, NSFW comic that you might be interested in. It's got sex and it's damn obvious what's going on but there is no nudity.

[Scienza]

I haven't watched Korra yet (though I love Asami's design). Still, I never say no to NSFW lesbians.

[Guest]

Me neither. I quit after season two but it's glorious.

[Frost]

I, too, must have my daily ration of lesbians

[Valikdu]

I've had Shadowrun Returns gathering dust for a year. A week ago, I've had an inspiration to try things, and played it. It was refreshingly fun.

Immediately after, I've launched SRR:Dragonfall, and it was AWESOME.
Best videogame writing I've seen outside of the best Obsidian titles. Or even equal to those.

[Frost]

Yeeeep, that bait'll do it.

[RoboRed]

feed me lesbeans plox

[Tytan]

@Val: Don't even bother with Returns at this point. Dragonfall is WAAAAAAY better. And get hyped up for Shadowrun: Hong Kong.

[Scienza]

I should pick up Dragonfall one of these days. Been playing some Return recently and enjoying it.

[Frost]

I can't wait for the expansion pack, Dragonfallen and I Can't Get Up.

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