Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

[O. Hinds]

Also, is it possible for us peasants to get a sneak-peek of the next chapter editors?

That's up to Somber.  It's almost never happened, though.


(I'm staying out of the "What to do with Blackjack's fetus" discussion because I know what Somber at least was planning the last time I spoke to him about this.  There are a variety of interesting ideas being tossed around, though, and, for all I know, Somber will read this discussion and decide to use one of them instead, if he's not changed his plans already.  :))

[Rayndalf]

"I regret to say that a blank is incapable of carrying a foal to term.  Perhaps a blank could be used as an incubator for a foal nearly ready for birth, but blank reproductive systems lack proper hormonal regulation for pregnancy."

I am under the impression that hormones could be used to correct this if administered by a trained professional...

I think that quote proves she has good understanding of what she is saying. And the part here "Perhaps a blank could be used as an incubator for a foal nearly ready for birth" can be accepted as the truth. I don't have any understanding of how hormone treatments work, but if it was as simple as injections I think BJ would be happily pregnant by now.

The problem is that Blackjack has yet to consult with the medical specialists at the collegiate. The mare who made the starmetal fetus might have some first hand experience.

[Guest]

If you're assuming she miscarried because of hormones then why would going to her help any? Besides second confirmation that nothing can be done?

[Rayndalf]

If you're assuming she miscarried because of hormones then why would going to her help any? Besides second confirmation that nothing can be done?

A bad joke, but also because I'm assuming that the starmetal / fetus incident was include for a reason.

But really we really don't know until Blackjack gets a more reliable second opinion

[Guest]

But, more seriously, why not Glory?

Because in order for the surrogacy spell to have any chance of working the mother has to be related to the mare the caster puts the baby into. While Scotch is possibly related to BJ Glory is only possibly related in the sense Grace is related. That is to say not at all.

[CD]

I'm honestly of the opinion that one of the mysterious stable survivors is gonna carry it. After all it's a stable, there's bound to be at least a little bit of inbreeding. And it's possible that one of the survivors is a child of P-21 (He was confirmed as the father right?)

I'm going to disgust everyone in this thread and bring up the fact that Blackjack was raped back in chapter 33.

[Scienza]

I'm honestly of the opinion that one of the mysterious stable survivors is gonna carry it. After all it's a stable, there's bound to be at least a little bit of inbreeding. And it's possible that one of the survivors is a child of P-21 (He was confirmed as the father right?)

I'm going to disgust everyone in this thread and bring up the fact that Blackjack was raped back in chapter 33.

Oh my god...


Though, honestly, I don't think any babbeh, even when just a zygote, would have survived when Blackjack went braindead. Twice. And enervated everything a lot.

[CD]

Well, they were wasteland survivors so they must be of tougher stock than a pampered Stable dweller.

In the baby's defense, he/she is not accountable for the horrible things his/her father has done to the mother.

[Icy Shake]

I'm honestly of the opinion that one of the mysterious stable survivors is gonna carry it. After all it's a stable, there's bound to be at least a little bit of inbreeding. And it's possible that one of the survivors is a child of P-21 (He was confirmed as the father right?)

I'm going to disgust everyone in this thread and bring up the fact that Blackjack was raped back in chapter 33.

Oh my god...


Though, honestly, I don't think any babbeh, even when just a zygote, would have survived when Blackjack went braindead. Twice. And enervated everything a lot.

I'll one up that and say it's unlikely that she'd even be capable of properly entering a fertility cycle, much less see proper implantation, while dying of full-body super cancer. Beyond that, that would put her estrus well before the others that we saw, she later exhibited unexpected sexual impulses consistent with estrus at the Society with Lighthooves, and while on the Seahorse she still had the implant, and would for at least a few days after.

On the whole Cognitum thing, I'll just say I'd have trouble believing P-21 wouldn't put a stop to that sort of thing immediately, since it goes against everything he believes in and would be a reversion of Blackjack, in his eyes, to what Stable 99 had always been to him.

[Scienza]

The nightmare-fuel baby-machine thing? Because the AU version of him did exactly the same thing in Black to his daughter.

Though, once again, I think its well beyond the limits of where Blackjack and co. are willing to slide in terms of morality.

[Exodus Hero]

I'm honestly of the opinion that one of the mysterious stable survivors is gonna carry it. After all it's a stable, there's bound to be at least a little bit of inbreeding. And it's possible that one of the survivors is a child of P-21 (He was confirmed as the father right?)

I'm going to disgust everyone in this thread and bring up the fact that Blackjack was raped back in chapter 33.

You'd think that her being pregnant would come up when they gave Blackjack her cybernetic replacements, considering they have to do a physical and such and something like that would defiantly come up. Safe to say this is debunked.

[Scienza]

On an unrelated note, the second episode of the Fo:E radioplay is releasing tomorrow.

[Icy Shake]

The nightmare-fuel baby-machine thing? Because the AU version of him did exactly the same thing in Black to his daughter.

Though, once again, I think its well beyond the limits of where Blackjack is willing to slide in terms of morality.

Right, but that's more something that Blackjack was afraid he might become. And while it's true that he had a great deal of hate, it's still inconsistent with his principles; remember his whole rationale for not carrying a gun, after all. It's not so much that it couldn't happen, but that it would be a sign that he's so far gone that nothing remains but a raging id, a caricature of all his worst attributes abandoned by the better angels of his nature. It would be like seeing Rampage, as Rampage, go an a foal-murdering spree.

And I entirely agree on it being beyond Blackjack's horizon, but I could at least see a path from here to there, however dubious I might find it; after all, it was something she thought long and hard about abandoning everything for, and for some time one of her key motivations, not to mention an important affirmation of her equinity even as she was willingly relinquishing all external signs thereof.

[Technowolf]

Don't forget that she also slept with Stygius, so the babies might be his.  In fact, that might be slightly better as there's less chance that the Styg's related to her (my headcanon is that P-21 and Blackjack are siblings) and it gives King Hades a tangible reason to help Blackjack.

[Dutcher]

Don't forget that she also slept with Stygius, so the babies might be his.  In fact, that might be slightly better as there's less chance that the Styg's related to her (my headcanon is that P-21 and Blackjack are siblings) and it gives King Hades a tangible reason to help Blackjack.

I thought it was known that it belonged to stygius?
Like who else can it really be?

[Technowolf]

Don't forget that she also slept with Stygius, so the babies might be his.  In fact, that might be slightly better as there's less chance that the Styg's related to her (my headcanon is that P-21 and Blackjack are siblings) and it gives King Hades a tangible reason to help Blackjack.

I thought it was known that it belonged to stygius?
Like who else can it really be?

P-21.  He, Blackjack, and Glory had sexy-times back in the Society while the latter were in heat, remember?

[Dutcher]

that was.. what 3 days before they discovered the baby?
Is that enough time?

[Vinylshadow]

I doubt any of the rapists are the father, because Blackjack still had her anti-baby device

She only lost that because her cyber-body ate it because it was metal

[Train Dodger]

I doubt any of the rapists are the father, because Blackjack still had her anti-baby device

She only lost that because her cyber-body ate it because it was metal

Technically, she shouldn't be pregnant at all. If the device was a copper IUD, then it should have taken several months for her to become fertile again after her implants digested it. However, it was never explicitly stated what it is, only that it was made from metal. It could be magical for all we know.

If, say, she immediately regained her fertility after the implanted contraceptive was no longer present, and if it wasn't spermicidal and only prevented implantation of a fertilized egg, then the possibility that it was one of the scoundrels who raided the Seahorse cannot be entirely ruled out. Sperm can stay viable for up to a week once inside. She was cyberized and walking around three days later. That's a very small window, but it is, sadly, quite possible.

Wait, why am I talking about post-apocalyptic cartoon horse fertility? Goddammit, internet! 

[Guest]

Can she become pregnant outside of a heat cycle?

[Vinylshadow]

Meh, whatever happens, happens

[Scienza]

Blackjack is just so far beyond the normal bounds of science, either in-universe or IRL, that it's almost impossible to predict exactly how and why certain things are happening to her.

[Vinylshadow]

Exactly

Besides, we all know Discord is the father

[Scienza]

Personally, I think Blackjack is pregnant with another clone.

[Guest]

Can she become pregnant outside of a heat cycle?

No.

Then, without a doubt it is (they are?) P-21's or more accurately it (they?) came from P-21's sperm. Depending if the baby even gets born or BJ survives, she may choose to raise it with someone else.

[Silver136]

On the topic of blank fertility, I don't think even hormone injections would help. The chapter says blanks lack hormone regulation abilities, so unless she gets a treatment to control what she's got I can't see it working.

[SilentCarto]

Ummm, but that is clearly not what Cognitum said. She said she'd look for a suitable surrogate, she didn't say BJ could carry her baby in a few weeks.

It's pretty clear to me that BJ will not be carrying this baby. At least not in the blank body she has now.

Well, still, sticking the fetus in a stasis tube might open up some significant possibilities.

If the problem is that the blank body is too "fresh" and won't get its hormones sorted out in time for the baby, a stasis tube might grant them just the reprieve they need.

If not, once Cogjack is defeated, it might be possible to transplant a few of BJ's original organs to replace whatever's malfunctioning in the blank body. (Jesus, between the healing talisman and all the other cybernetics, you could probably behead Cogs and still convince the body to keep her organs fresh. This is getting creepier all the time...)

If all else fails, and this falls heavily under the heading of 'extreme measures', a half-sister would be close enough for a decent chance of successful surrogacy, a couple of decades down the road. The foal will undoubtedly be terribly confused by having no less than three mommies. (Potentially four, if P-21 and Glory's daughter turns out gay too.)

But, more seriously, why not Glory?

...because the baby is not in any way related to Glory. Zero chance of success.

[Guest]

If the problem is that the blank body is too "fresh" and won't get its hormones sorted out in time for the baby, a stasis tube might grant them just the reprieve they need.

I've actually been thinking about this. That tree, when we saw it, was endlessly spewing blanks, could you imagine how crazy things would get if the blanks could reproduce? I think they were intentionally designed that way.

(Potentially four, if P-21 and Glory's daughter turns out gay too.)

Wait a minute. What? I think you're getting ahead of yourself.

[Rayndalf]

If the problem is that the blank body is too "fresh" and won't get its hormones sorted out in time for the baby, a stasis tube might grant them just the reprieve they need.

I've actually been thinking about this. That tree, when we saw it, was endlessly spewing blanks, could you imagine how crazy things would get if the blanks could reproduce? I think they were intentionally designed that way.

That is a very good point.

[Scienza]

But, more seriously, why not Glory?

...because the baby is not in any way related to Glory. Zero chance of success.

Yeah, I forgot about the stipulation to the spell . Nevermind.

Unless the baby is Glory's.

Because lesbian magic.

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