Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

[Dutcher]

I'm just not sure the technology supports something like that.

The stasis pods freeze whoever is placed inside them indefinitely.

What the foal needs is an eviroment that not only allows time to pass so that it can grow, but also provides it with the sustenance and hormones for it to develop properly.

What I'm saying is I think what you're proposing may actually be more difficult then trying to build a machine from scratch. What's exactly is being utilized from the pods in the modification? The container that actually physically holds the patient?

Edit: Because I'm not very good at being clear. I mean the glass sphere or cylinder (I don't remember the shape.) that holds the patient. Not any of the stuff that keeps what's inside in it's "frozen" state.


There is an easier more gruesome solution.

Recapture Cogs. Remove the armor plating from BJ's old belly and reorganize the life support systems so they no longer impede the womb's growth and seal it off with another BJ clone's skin. Also probably remove her legs and chain her up somewhere.

[Silver136]

Not a breeder, merely a vessel to carry Blackjacks baby until it can be born. Its not like they're gonna start implanting random babies into her. Its just punishment for making Blackjacks life a living hell and stealing her body(and child). Like I said though, the only reason I'm supporting this idea is because I hate Cogs. I was all for bombing the mine boss back in Brimstone too so I'm probably not the highest on the morality board though...

[OneMoreDaySK]

Great, the way your making it sound, Cogs!jack is now powered by a forsaken child... Curse all of those in the chat thread for letting my dive back into that abyss.

[Meleagridis]

I thinks it's reasonable they'd have understanding of what it's capable of at this point. Could be wrong here but I'm thinking it's within the realm of posibility that Glory could just confirm or deny what Cogs already told BJ. And as you said she doesn't have a reason to lie, Cogs has been  shown to be unwilling to use the baby as leverage.

More interesting than wondering if Cogs was lying, were we to assume that she was it begs the question of why Cogs was lying.
Assume that she mislead Blackjack, that BJ could have her own kid. Why would Cogs not want BJ to believe that? Obvious answer is protection, Blackjack is less likely to shoot the body that keeps her kid alive. But Cogs showed that she actually cares for the kid's wellfare. She nearly popped Steel Rain like a grape for suggesting they use it as leverage. But if she cares so much, why keep the kid in a body that can't keep it alive? She could have an unhealthy attachment. Really not unlikely, I'm still not convinced that Cogs isn't entirely bonkers. She could need the child for something. A life force, a spark, an heir. Who knows?

Somber plz  

Start a petition. Bunch of signatures and a donation.

Somber plz. pls dont.
Or: keep it minimal, like a radroad scurrying away if and when Blackjack finds the sword again. Subtle, like the Pink Eyes reference in chapter thirty four.

A self conscious part of me feels the need to clarify that I was joking. While I’m all for cheeky references, straight up crossovers make me nervous.

I forget. Was Lacunae's telepathy only with Blackjack, or did it extend to everyone else, too? If so, you'd think that would be an option to make communication with Stygius easier.

She can talk in people’s heads, but only BJ got to talk in her head.

Well in the show, Tirek escaped in season two in one of the earlier episodes when Cerberus left. I'm also sure there was a reference to Cerberus escaping somewhere in the story,

Spoiler:

Granted, it's just headcanon for me. But Cerberus' existence says to me that Cerberus (the original) might no longer be at his post. In a place as crappy as wartime Equestria, there are a million ways for him to go. Sent to war when times were tough, killed during the remodeling of Tartarus as the new Hippocratic... that's all I'll say out of the Setting thread.

I'm not sure that this chapter, "Caper," was appropriately named. I can't really think of anything that's a mystery that's really contained in it. Sure, there's the murder of Tulip, but that's resolved—well, swept to the side—immediately and without conflict. There's stuff related to Eternity and perhaps even Hightower more generally, but those aren't especially tied in to the chapter. Sure, stuff happens with them, but I'm not sure there's any particular reason to say this one is more associated with them than others. Basically, I think it might have been titled to work in with the cliffhanger from the last chapter and the start which looked like it could be a crime/forensic drams, but again, that was dropped, or at least deferred, early on. Anyway, I'd be interested in hearing what the title was referring to, if anyone remembers specifically.

Because it’s The Caper, that is to say it’s the “We get in, grab the goal, have unexpected complications, we get out” sort of heist movie. Gather the team, introduce everyone, explain the target with a holographic image, explain what everybody’s getting. Make the break-in, something bad happens, everyone goes into a little more detail on their motivations and characters, things get worse. Then things go bad.

I love Capers, and while I admit that Hightower had some weaknesses I still loved the arc and its wonderfully, confusingly large cast.[/quote]

[Vergil]

Well. That's enough internet for today.

[RoboRed]

I like where this thread is going right now.  

[Silver136]

I like where this thread is going right now.  

I'm not sure if its a good or bad thing, but it has taken quite a dark turn, which I agree. I'm all for dark turns. 

[Vinylshadow]

Conquering the Wasteland on the backs of dead foals

Or destroying it through dark eldritch powers through the life force of dead foals

Yep...das grim

[Borsuq]

Okay, time to lighten things up! Who's here looking forward to chapter 69?

[Dutcher]

Okay, time to lighten things up! Who's here looking forward to chapter 69?

I can smell it
Edit:

[Vinylshadow]

Watch it be a joke/non-canon chapter where BJ and CJ exchange lewd phrases while they try to kill each other

[Scienza]

Watch it be a joke/non-canon chapter where BJ and CJ exchange lewd phrases while they try to kill each other

It'll probably the darkest, squickiest, most arousal-killing chapter yet.

[Guest]

More interesting than wondering if Cogs was lying, were we to assume that she was it begs the question of why Cogs was lying.
Assume that she mislead Blackjack, that BJ could have her own kid. Why would Cogs not want BJ to believe that? Obvious answer is protection, Blackjack is less likely to shoot the body that keeps her kid alive.

True enough. But if BJ is ever in a situation where she has to kill Cogs to stop her plan I don't think a baby will be as much shield as it is hesitation.

BJ doesn't believe there will be a world left for her baby to be born in if Project Horizons goes off. So if BJ ever is forced to kill Cogs the outcomes are my baby dies or my baby and everything else dies. It'd be one thing if BJ was actually convinced that what Cogs was planning to do would work, but that's clearly not how it is.

Honestly if the baby could be placed in BJ then there's more incentive to do that than not. BJ was full of doubt, she wanted to run away somewhere safe when she was in the core. Now she posesses a body that can't save her baby. No matter what happens someone else will have to find a solution. BJ has every reason to go all out against Cogs now.

As for attachment and defending the fetus? I really don't see it. I just think Cogs wants to feel superior to BJ and the fact she doesn't kill foals is what makes her feel that way.

[Vinylshadow]

'PLAY?'

[Silver136]

Okay, time to lighten things up! Who's here looking forward to chapter 69?

Here's to hoping chapter 69 is some kind of dumb yet amusing 69 joke, as unlikely as it is!

[Vinylshadow]

"Hold up a second...did anyone else just feel like somewhere, there's a great crowd of ponies laughing to themselves for some reason?"

[Scienza]

Or maybe we'll end up going back to Flank.

[Vinylshadow]

I wasn't really paying attention during the Flank portion

something about helping the town and getting run out of it anyway?

Or was that elsewhere

[Scienza]

Well there is a Stable 80 69 there. Also it's where she killed Deus, got laid, and first started hanging out with Rampage.

[Rayndalf]

More interesting than wondering if Cogs was lying, were we to assume that she was it begs the question of why Cogs was lying.
Assume that she mislead Blackjack, that BJ could have her own kid. Why would Cogs not want BJ to believe that? Obvious answer is protection, Blackjack is less likely to shoot the body that keeps her kid alive.

True enough. But if BJ is ever in a situation where she has to kill Cogs to stop her plan I don't think a baby will be as much shield as it is hesitation.

BJ doesn't believe there will be a world left for her baby to be born in if Project Horizons goes off. So if BJ ever is forced to kill Cogs the outcomes are my baby dies or my baby and everything else dies. It'd be one thing if BJ was actually convinced that what Cogs was planning to do would work, but that's clearly not how it is.

Honestly if the baby could be placed in BJ then there's more incentive to do that than not. BJ was full of doubt, she wanted to run away somewhere safe when she was in the core. Now she posesses a body that can't save her baby. No matter what happens someone else will have to find a solution. BJ has every reason to go all out against Cogs now.

As for attachment and defending the fetus? I really don't see it. I just think Cogs wants to feel superior to BJ and the fact she doesn't kill foals is what makes her feel that way. 

It could just be that Blackjack was currently unable to carry her baby, although I assume most aren't just "ready" for a surrogate transplant and some hormones / magic are required in preparation.

[Guest]

Ummm, but that is clearly not what Cognitum said. She said she'd look for a suitable surrogate, she didn't say BJ could carry her baby in a few weeks.

It's pretty clear to me that BJ will not be carrying this baby. At least not in the blank body she has now.

I think it'd be more productive to try and find more interesting solutions then to try and find loopholes in what Cogs said.

How about this for instance? Place the fetus in one of the stasis pods till Scotch is more physically mature and can carry it.

There's the possibility that she's as close to BJ as Twilight's relative who I can never remember the name of is to Twilight.

[Guest]

Eh, they live in a stable. P-21 is probably more than the baby's father.

[Dutcher]

What about Grace?
Also, is it possible for us peasants to get a sneak-peek of the next chapter editors?

[Rayndalf]

Ummm, but that is clearly not what Cognitum said. She said she'd look for a suitable surrogate, she didn't say BJ could carry her baby in a few weeks.

It's pretty clear to me that BJ will not be carrying this baby. At least not in the blank body she has now.

I think it'd be more productive to try and find more interesting solutions then to try and find loopholes in what Cogs said.

How about this for instance? Place the fetus in one of the stasis pods till Scotch is more physically mature and can carry it.

There's the possibility that she's as close to BJ as Twilight's relative who I can never remember the name of is to Twilight.

"I regret to say that a blank is incapable of carrying a foal to term.  Perhaps a blank could be used as an incubator for a foal nearly ready for birth, but blank reproductive systems lack proper hormonal regulation for pregnancy."

I am under the impression that hormones could be used to correct this if administered by a trained professional...

But if that won't work, I'm sure the medical geniuses of the Collegiate, reinforced with personal and equipment for Thunderhead could make something work. 

What about that star metal/fetus sculpture incident? That one mare clearly knows something about childbirth...

[Guest]

What about Grace?
Also, is it possible for us peasants to get a sneak-peek of the next chapter editors?

I need to know. Why do people keep brining up Grace? She's related to Twilight, that means nothing to BJ. Except for the fact she can say "I technically have family. Sorta. kinda. A little bit."

[Silver136]

What about Grace?
Also, is it possible for us peasants to get a sneak-peek of the next chapter editors?

I need to know. Why do people keep brining up Grace? She's related to Twilight, that means nothing to BJ. Except for the fact she can say "I technically have family. Sorta. kinda. A little bit."

Yeah, I'd mentioned Grace a while back and we decided that she was too distantly related to carry the baby. I'm honestly of the opinion that one of the mysterious stable survivors is gonna carry it. After all it's a stable, there's bound to be at least a little bit of inbreeding. And it's possible that one of the survivors is a child of P-21 (He was confirmed as the father right?)

[Dutcher]

What about Grace?
Also, is it possible for us peasants to get a sneak-peek of the next chapter editors?

I need to know. Why do people keep brining up Grace? She's related to Twilight, that means nothing to BJ. Except for the fact she can say "I technically have family. Sorta. kinda. A little bit."

Well, outside Scoth And 21 she is the closest thing to BJ family speaking.
Edit: Oh right the survivors from 99, well unless they try to kill BJ they are better i guess.

[Guest]

"I regret to say that a blank is incapable of carrying a foal to term.  Perhaps a blank could be used as an incubator for a foal nearly ready for birth, but blank reproductive systems lack proper hormonal regulation for pregnancy."

I am under the impression that hormones could be used to correct this if administered by a trained professional...

I think that quote proves she has good understanding of what she is saying. And the part here "Perhaps a blank could be used as an incubator for a foal nearly ready for birth" can be accepted as the truth. I don't have any understanding of how hormone treatments work, but if it was as simple as injections I think BJ would be happily pregnant by now.

[Scienza]

Ummm, but that is clearly not what Cognitum said. She said she'd look for a suitable surrogate, she didn't say BJ could carry her baby in a few weeks.

It's pretty clear to me that BJ will not be carrying this baby. At least not in the blank body she has now.

I think it'd be more productive to try and find more interesting solutions then to try and find loopholes in what Cogs said.

How about this for instance? Place the fetus in one of the stasis pods till Scotch is more physically mature and can carry it.

There's the possibility that she's as close to BJ as Twilight's relative who I can never remember the name of is to Twilight.

Aye, I proposed something similar earlier, which would just be stashing the foal in a stasis pod until a slightly more convenient time.

[Guest]

Oops. Sorry scienza. I thought you meant the pod would serve as the womb and the baby would grow in there. Misunderstanding on my part.

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