Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

[Valikdu]

"Lancer: I WILL DESTROY THE MAIDEN

The radio said: No Lancer, you are the maiden.
And then Lancer was a R63.

[RoboRed]

If anyone wants to see Lancer screwing Blackjack, there's now a picture I can link you to.
It came up after anon suggested he wanted to see them fucking (as I've also said before) and someone else gave it a little paragraph that convinced the artist to do it.

"Lancer: I WILL DESTROY THE MAIDEN
Blackjack: YES, DESTROY THE MAIDEN, FUCKING DESTROY HER"
Lancer can't admit he loves destroying the maiden,
Blackjack can't help but admit she loves him destroying the maiden.

I am interest.

[Downloaded Skill]

I am as well.

[Derpmind]

Killing Joke proposal: Lancer becomes a sexier alicorn version of BJ.

[TalixZero]

I desire this link

[RoboRed]

Killing Joke proposal: Lancer becomes a sexier alicorn version of BJ.

This.

[Katarn]

You guys are crazy, you know that?  

[RoboRed]

This is news?

[Aonee]

This is news?

I was about to say, I'm pretty sure none of us chose infinite sanity.

[Frost]

If anyone wants to see Lancer screwing Blackjack, there's now a picture I can link you to.
It came up after anon suggested he wanted to see them fucking (as I've also said before) and someone else gave it a little paragraph that convinced the artist to do it.

"Lancer: I WILL DESTROY THE MAIDEN
Blackjack: YES, DESTROY THE MAIDEN, FUCKING DESTROY HER"
Lancer can't admit he loves destroying the maiden,
Blackjack can't help but admit she loves him destroying the maiden.

The link, if you don't mind.

[tylertoon2]

If anyone wants to see Lancer screwing Blackjack, there's now a picture I can link you to.
It came up after anon suggested he wanted to see them fucking (as I've also said before) and someone else gave it a little paragraph that convinced the artist to do it.

"Lancer: I WILL DESTROY THE MAIDEN
Blackjack: YES, DESTROY THE MAIDEN, FUCKING DESTROY HER"
Lancer can't admit he loves destroying the maiden,
Blackjack can't help but admit she loves him destroying the maiden.

I am uncomfortable how much I kinda want this link.

Pm it to us so no rules are broken.

Killing Joke proposal: Lancer becomes a sexier alicorn version of BJ.

Too funny to pass up. Do it.

[Kippershy]

Sorry, was busy drawing all day. I'll make the rounds now.

[tylertoon2]

They look so angry! Not just angry sex it's like they are locked in battle fucking.

[Guest]

@Kipper
Hey, hey, hey, this I gotta see.

[RoboRed]

Eh...not bad...but not exactly great, either.

They look so angry! Not just angry sex it's like they are locked in battle fucking.

lolzbattlesex

[Downloaded Skill]

Battlefucking would make an excellent prime time sports show.

[O. Hinds]

So where's this picture, then?

[Exodus Hero]

I'm curious about this picture now.

[Moodyman90]

Well I guess I need to see this pic too cause everybody else has seen it.

[Derpmind]

Either none of us have seen it, or there's a bunch of PMs flying around. If the latter, could someone please include me in the secret picture club?

[RoboRed]

Sent.

[Derpmind]

XD they're so angry at each other!  

[RoboRed]

ANGRYBATTLESEX

[Caoimhe]

D: What is this?  Can't you NSFW link it?

[Kippershy]

As much as Camo loves me, no, not allowed.
I'll PM you.

[Caoimhe]

Pooooooorn!!!

E: That's a pretty bitchin style!

[Icy Shake]

I'm with you through the symbolism, and probably even the influence it likely had on Celestia's choice to take on Twilight as a student. But I just see it—at least primarily—as her getting a cutie mark about magic more generally, even if it, in conjunction with the magical outburst, led to her becoming the Bearer of Magic. After all, even taking the more expansive view of the meaning of the cutie mark, it would still indicate her as a strong candidate for it.

I get the sense that you might be resisting any prophetic implications because they could seem to reduce Twi's victory to a preordained certainty. Am I off base? If that's your concern, I don't think it does. She's still responsible for being who she is and making the choices she makes.

Well, it's kind of a mixture of things. Partly I suppose it might be that, but also I guess I don't feel the need for two intersecting prophesies about the return of Nightmare Moon. Perhaps illogically, it's also wound up with my negative feelings toward Princess Celestia, which have been growing since sometime in season two: if I look at the mark as prophetic, especially as a real self-fulfilling prophesy that strongly influenced how PC dealt with her sister's escape and Twilight's role therein, well, it reinforces my feeling that she's either not a very good princess because she's incompetent or that she's deceptive, manipulative, and willing to risk the lives of her subjects for no particularly good reason—repeatedly—and therefore not a very good princess—at any rate not for Equestria; and I don't want to feel this way about her, because it's hard for me to reconcile that with the larger feeling of the show and the nation, not to mention the positivity cast in her direction by her subjects and the feeling I get that the show tries to depict her otherwise.

Anyway, sorry for the outpouring of bile. There may be some other reasons, too, but whenever I get on a roll with the Celestia thing it kind of crowds everything else out of my mind.
Oh, and since everyone else has asked, may I have the link, too?

[FeatherDust]

if I look at the mark as prophetic, especially as a real self-fulfilling prophesy that strongly influenced how PC dealt with her sister's escape and Twilight's role therein, well, it reinforces my feeling that she's either not a very good princess because she's incompetent or that she's deceptive, manipulative, and willing to risk the lives of her subjects for no particularly good reason—repeatedly—and therefore not a very good princess—at any rate not for Equestria; and I don't want to feel this way about her, because it's hard for me to reconcile that with the larger feeling of the show and the nation, not to mention the positivity cast in her direction by her subjects and the feeling I get that the show tries to depict her otherwise.

That was a really long sentence.

I don't really understand what you're getting at, though.

Princess Celestia knew that the prison would only last 1000 years.  (It's in the book of legends Twilight's reading, so obviously Celly knew it was going to happen.)  At that point she'd have to deal with Nightmare Moon again with the whole world in the balance, only this time the elements won't work for her*.  But, prophecy and destiny being what they are, a potential wielder has to show up sometime in the decades before that 1000th year.  So she's on the lookout, finding and training potential weilders.  And when she finds Twilight, she recognizes that this is her champion, and does what she can to prepare Twilight for the battle to come.

Is that deceptive and manipulative?  I dunno.  Maybe?  If it is, I don't see how that makes her a bad princess, or even wrong for doing it.  From CMChronicles, we know that before Celestia was even aware of Twilight, there was some kind of bond between her and the other five, so it's not like she pointed at a random kid and said, "You, you have to go fight Nightmare Moon."  And if Twilight had known what was going to happen, it wouldn't have worked, because (knowing Twilight) she'd be looking at friendship as a means to an end, and that's the wrong mindset; the elements wouldn't work for fake, manipulative friendship.  All Celestia could do was prepare her as best she could (by taking her as a protege and helping her master her Element) and hope things would work out.

Assuming Twilight's cutie mark made it clear to Celestia that she was the Chosen One destined to bear the Element of Magic, what did Celestia do that was incompetent, cruel, or unnecessarily risky?


* Headcanon: Princess Celestia used the Elements on Nightmare Moon, but in doing so she ended her ability to use them at all.  Maybe this is because one person was never meant to wield the full power of the six; or maybe it's because striking down her own sister was an act of unkindness and disloyalty, and she just isn't qualified to use them anymore.  (Alternatively she subconsciously feels that because of that act, she is not loyal; because she allowed the problems to grow between them, she was neither honest nor generous; and so on, and without those in her heart, she can't use the Elements.)

[Exodus Hero]

ANGRYBATTLESEX

Thanks for the link haha.

[Icy Shake]

if I look at the mark as prophetic, especially as a real self-fulfilling prophesy that strongly influenced how PC dealt with her sister's escape and Twilight's role therein, well, it reinforces my feeling that she's either not a very good princess because she's incompetent or that she's deceptive, manipulative, and willing to risk the lives of her subjects for no particularly good reason—repeatedly—and therefore not a very good princess—at any rate not for Equestria; and I don't want to feel this way about her, because it's hard for me to reconcile that with the larger feeling of the show and the nation, not to mention the positivity cast in her direction by her subjects and the feeling I get that the show tries to depict her otherwise.

That was a really long sentence.

Confession time: after seeing the part up to the semicolon was nearly a hundred words, I decided to swap a full stop for a semicolon just because I could.

I don't really understand what you're getting at, though.

Princess Celestia knew that the prison would only last 1000 years.  (It's in the book of legends Twilight's reading, so obviously Celly knew it was going to happen.)  At that point she'd have to deal with Nightmare Moon again with the whole world in the balance, only this time the elements won't work for her*.  But, prophecy and destiny being what they are, a potential wielder has to show up sometime in the decades before that 1000th year.  So she's on the lookout, finding and training potential weilders.  And when she finds Twilight, she recognizes that this is her champion, and does what she can to prepare Twilight for the battle to come.

Is that deceptive and manipulative?  I dunno.  Maybe?  If it is, I don't see how that makes her a bad princess, or even wrong for doing it.  From CMChronicles, we know that before Celestia was even aware of Twilight, there was some kind of bond between her and the other five, so it's not like she pointed at a random kid and said, "You, you have to go fight Nightmare Moon."  And if Twilight had known what was going to happen, it wouldn't have worked, because (knowing Twilight) she'd be looking at friendship as a means to an end, and that's the wrong mindset; the elements wouldn't work for fake, manipulative friendship.  All Celestia could do was prepare her as best she could (by taking her as a protege and helping her master her Element) and hope things would work out.

Assuming Twilight's cutie mark made it clear to Celestia that she the Chosen One destined to bear the Element of Magic, what did Celestia do that was incompetent, cruel, or unnecessarily risky?


* Headcanon: Princess Celestia used the Elements on Nightmare Moon, but in doing so she ended her ability to use them at all.  Maybe this is because one person was never meant to wield the full power of the six; or maybe it's because striking down her own sister was an act of unkindness and disloyalty, and she just isn't qualified to use them anymore.  (Alternatively she subconsciously feels that because of that act, she is not loyal; because she allowed the problems to grow between them, she was neither honest nor generous; and so on, and without those in her heart, she can't use the Elements.)

Rant that is at best tangentially related to PH (all the long sentences are organic, though):

And I'm sorry to repeat the request, but could someone with the link please PM it to me?
[Edit: And thank you, TalixZero]
[Edit II: That's some good intensity in the faces, and I like how the shading interacts with the heavy, bold principal outlines.]

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