Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

[Icy Shake]

My [boss's sister] . . .

And reading later on, it seemed possible that Goldenblood and Eclipse went into a room that Luna was already in, and Eclipse never said anything, even after Celestia left, despite being told by Goldenblood that Luna wanted her there.

So, possible, but unlikely.

[Ketchup]

My [boss's sister] . . .

And reading later on, it seemed possible that Goldenblood and Eclipse went into a room that Luna was already in, and Eclipse never said anything, even after Celestia left, despite being told Luna wanted her there by Goldenblood.

So, possible, but unlikely.

She could be a projection of some sort. I found that to be rather curious myself.

[Stringtheory]

My [boss's sister] . . .

And reading later on, it seemed possible that Goldenblood and Eclipse went into a room that Luna was already in, and Eclipse never said anything, even after Celestia left, despite being told Luna wanted her there by Goldenblood.

So, possible, but unlikely.

She could be a projection of some sort. I found that to be rather curious myself.

Then how was she with Goldenblood at Horse's presentation? Are there projectors set up all over Equestria? Plus how was she able to put on Horse's brain scan thingie anyhow if she was a projection. Oh, another thing which I realized, perhaps the reason why the Crusader 1.2 overloaded when 'Eclipse' put on the brain scanner was that it couldn't handle a alicorn's mind, with all those other minds that had just been scanned in, is an alicorn's mind any different from a mortal's mind anyway? Or perhaps Horse just makes terrible technology.

[Ketchup]

My [boss's sister] . . .

And reading later on, it seemed possible that Goldenblood and Eclipse went into a room that Luna was already in, and Eclipse never said anything, even after Celestia left, despite being told Luna wanted her there by Goldenblood.

So, possible, but unlikely.

She could be a projection of some sort. I found that to be rather curious myself.

Then how was she with Goldenblood at Horse's presentation? Are there projectors set up all over Equestria? Plus how was she able to put on Horse's brain scan thingie anyhow if she was a projection. Oh, another thing which I realized, perhaps the reason why the Crusader 1.2 overloaded when 'Eclipse' put on the brain scanner was that it couldn't handle a alicorn's mind, with all those other minds that had just been scanned in, is an alicorn's mind any different from a mortal's mind anyway? Or perhaps Horse just makes terrible technology.

This probably wouldn't satisfy, but...
Magic. Luna may be able to do it with magic.

[Caoimhe]

Well, I can't stay up until forever tonight reading PH, so this is gonna be a two-parter.

Ch. 55 Comments, part 1:

Editing, part 1:

Ah, thank you. "the Neighvarro" doesn't sound off to me, though, sorry. I've also not put in the "nor any weapons but" comma, as that would result in a sentence fragment. I also, for various reasons, don't think that the issue of Awesome's descent is a problem.

I've relayed the scream matter to Somber. (I'm also mentioning the mismatching stories matter, just in case that wasn't deliberate.)

The demonym of Monte Carlo is "Monte Carlian" so residents of Neighvarro might be Neighvarran/Neighvarrans.

Though residents of Monaco are Monaganese, but Morocco has Moroccans so I guess Neighvarrans works.

[Stringtheory]

My [boss's sister] . . .

And reading later on, it seemed possible that Goldenblood and Eclipse went into a room that Luna was already in, and Eclipse never said anything, even after Celestia left, despite being told Luna wanted her there by Goldenblood.

So, possible, but unlikely.

She could be a projection of some sort. I found that to be rather curious myself.

Then how was she with Goldenblood at Horse's presentation? Are there projectors set up all over Equestria? Plus how was she able to put on Horse's brain scan thingie anyhow if she was a projection. Oh, another thing which I realized, perhaps the reason why the Crusader 1.2 overloaded when 'Eclipse' put on the brain scanner was that it couldn't handle a alicorn's mind, with all those other minds that had just been scanned in, is an alicorn's mind any different from a mortal's mind anyway? Or perhaps Horse just makes terrible technology.

This probably wouldn't satisfy, but...
Magic. Luna may be able to do it with magic.

[Moodyman90]

Well, although we haven't seen any evidence of it it could be that Luna could cast a spell that could make a physical projection of a pony to follow others and gather information.

Or she's doing her own for of mind manipulation using her ability to enter ponies dreams and putting Eclipse where she wasn't.

As for a crazy theory, Eclipse is actually Luna's secret daughter.

[Valikdu]

Well, we know that *Nightmare Moon* could either create projections, or outright split herself into several entities.

Either it's Luna's ability too, or... well, "stress was getting to her" (c).

[Harmony Ltd.]

I personally am of the opinion that one of Luna's powers is shapeshifting / illusion. Which is supported to some extent canonically by the Nightmare Night episode (her magically altering her appearance to look as Nightmare Moon). Edit : what Valikdu said, too.

As for the rest, I could very well be advanced illusion / evocation magic, projecting some form of tangible hologram.

[nebulous]

When I finished this chapter, my first thought was that that the writing was damn beautiful. Somber, editors, you rock.

I keep intending to do a comment as you go thingy, but keep forgetting in the excitement of !!new chapter!!. Some day...

So they're trying to get Fancy Pants' airship to stop Lighthooves at Thunderhead, eh? I'd always imagined they'd get to Thunderhead by climbing Shadowbolt Tower from the ground up, a la the Cathedral of Syndentic Ascention in Problem Sleuth. But that would involve going into the Core first, which would be too climactic too soon.

If Shining Armor's child (Princess Skyla?) was a mare, and said child's child was also a mare, and they both had access to some good medical equipment, and stored some of their eggs early on and each had a kid via IVF and a surrogate at age 60, then if Skyla was born in Equestria's last year that would mean 120 years would pass until King Awesome was born and he'd be 80 in the present.

Welp, now it's confirmed that Cognitum overrode Dawn's will. I didn't expect to be fine with this, but I am. Now rather than being about Dawn's choices and trying to find the good that's left in her equinity and appealing to it, Dawn's story is about what happens when someone is edited/controlled and it forms an interesting parallel with Blackjack (plus Lacunae and the alicorns in general) and the Goddess. Maybe I'm fine with this direction because I came to see how it can be rich material for a story in itself, rather than the Dawn went berserk willingly / Cognitum assumed direct control question being a dichotomy between dealing with complicated Dawn psychology or dealing with a buggy computer program.

[Stringtheory]

If Shining Armor's child (Princess Skyla?) was a mare, and said child's child was also a mare, and they both had access to some good medical equipment, and stored some of their eggs early on and each had a kid via IVF and a surrogate at age 60, then if Skyla was born in Equestria's last year that would mean 120 years would pass until King Awesome was born and he'd be 80 in the present.

I think King Awesome either forgot to add in a couple of 'greats' there, or was simply making shit up, remember, we haven't even heard of Shining Armor yet, though I guess he was off ruiling the Crystal Empire with Cadence

[Harmony Ltd.]

Twilight made a reference in one of the memory orbs about "Cadence having yet another foal".

[Icy Shake]

Right, but she didn't say "yet another foal with my brother." Or even ". . . with Shining Armor." And might be an earth pony for all we know.

[Harmony Ltd.]

She's still an alicorn. Got the wings and the horn.

And given there's a direct reference to Cadence AND the Crystal Empire (that mare in the tokomare), I guess it's pretty safe to assume that Shining Armor is also canon in PH.

I mean, especially given someone made a direct reference to him.

[Icy Shake]

We've never seen her, and her physiology has never been mentioned. We know that either she is not an alicorn, or she has been an alicorn longer than Luna, or Twilight has somehow forgotten about her being an alicorn.

The Crystal Empire does not depend on either Shining Armor's existence or Cadence's alicornhood.

[Harmony Ltd.]

Don't take it wrong, I see your point, but this seem a bit contorted just to be able to preserve "continuity" with the original FoE.

[nebulous]

She's still an alicorn. Got the wings and the horn.

Even if she keeps her in-show appearance, she could just be a freaky winged unicorn.

[Overthepacific]

Don't take it wrong, I see your point, but this seem a bit contorted just to be able to preserve "continuity" with the original FoE.

Well, that is kind of the template everyone has to go off of. That alternate reality never actually mentioned the two or the crystal empire, and considering that in the FoE continuity Twilight went her entire life without becoming a princess, its safe to say that FoE sidefics should probably take more from the points where the original left off instead of the actual show from a certain point.

So going with an alternate Cadence isnt that much of a far cry.

[Icy Shake]

^This. It's also worth noting that adding two non-alicorns who can cast city-scale shield spells arguably undercuts a major plot point in both FoE and PH.

A Modest Proposal:

[thatguyvex]

So, normally I just lurk around here and read the comments, but as I have this little sliver of a question in my brain that I can't seem to find the answer to on my own I thought I'd register just for the sole purpose of asking you fine folk. Its kind of a random question and doesn't pertain to anything of actual importance, but does anyone happen to know what the general eye/mane/coat color of the Enclave pegasus Sunset who died in Ch.54? For some reason that completely tertiary character has been on my mind a lot, and its been bugging the heck out of me that I can't seem to find a description of her anywhere in the previous chapters.

So, uh... yeah, that's the entire reason I spent five minutes registering to the site. Wish I had something substantial to say about Ch.55 but my brain is still sort of processing it all so my comments there would probably amount to "I like Grace. Boo and Scotch Tape having a food fight was cute. Fight scene with Dawn was intense. Ending genuinely surprised the crap out of me."

[WavemasterRyx]

Again, my deepest thanks to Somber, Hinds, and Bronode. You all put so much work into this story, and I really appreciate it. *hugs each of you gently*
And Somber, I do very much hope things get better for you soon. Just try to remember, we're here for you if there's ever any way we can help.

Chapter 55 Commentary:

So, normally I just lurk around here and read the comments, but as I have this little sliver of a question in my brain that I can't seem to find the answer to on my own I thought I'd register just for the sole purpose of asking you fine folk. Its kind of a random question and doesn't pertain to anything of actual importance, but does anyone happen to know what the general eye/mane/coat color of the Enclave pegasus Sunset who died in Ch.54? For some reason that completely tertiary character has been on my mind a lot, and its been bugging the heck out of me that I can't seem to find a description of her anywhere in the previous chapters.

Welcome, Vex. I do hope you're enjoying the story.
Actually, I just checked Chapter 42, and she does remove her helmet. She has a rust-colored coat, and an orange-and-yellow striped mane. And Chapter 52 has her with red eyes. I do hope that helps.

[O. Hinds]

Again, my deepest thanks to Somber, Hinds, and Bronode. You all put so much work into this story, and I really appreciate it. *hugs each of you gently*
And Somber, I do very much hope things get better for you soon. Just try to remember, we're here for you if there's ever any way we can help.

Chapter 55 Commentary:

So, normally I just lurk around here and read the comments, but as I have this little sliver of a question in my brain that I can't seem to find the answer to on my own I thought I'd register just for the sole purpose of asking you fine folk. Its kind of a random question and doesn't pertain to anything of actual importance, but does anyone happen to know what the general eye/mane/coat color of the Enclave pegasus Sunset who died in Ch.54? For some reason that completely tertiary character has been on my mind a lot, and its been bugging the heck out of me that I can't seem to find a description of her anywhere in the previous chapters.

Welcome, Vex. I do hope you're enjoying the story.
Actually, I just checked Chapter 42, and she does remove her helmet. She has a rust-colored coat, and an orange-and-yellow striped mane. And Chapter 52 has her with red eyes. I do hope that helps.

Spoiler:

Ah, you must have missed the announcement: we changed that during the production of this chapter. So your memory isn't faulty, just out of date. :)

Spoiler:

:)

[Ametros]

I really enjoyed that chapter, unlike the mixed bag that I felt the previous chapter was.

Spoiler:

[Harmony Ltd.]

@ CalamityWhen :

Spoiler:

[Train Dodger]

Alright, on to proofing Chapter 2. I should mention in passing that the title of Chapter 41 on the index page has an excess space between the hyphen and the chapter number.

Chapter 2:

[thatguyvex]

Welcome, Vex. I do hope you're enjoying the story.
Actually, I just
checked Chapter 42, and she does remove her helmet. She has a
rust-colored coat, and an orange-and-yellow striped mane. And Chapter 52
has her with red eyes. I do hope that helps.

Thanks, that does help! I was having the hardest time finding that information. Bugs me when I'm trying to think about a character but I don't have an accurate mental image. Its really weird, fifty five chapters of this story has had plenty of more established and developed characters die, but its this completely tertiary Enclave pony's death that gets under my skin for some reason.

[Vergil]

Spoiler:

Well, shit.

[O. Hinds]

Alright, on to proofing Chapter 2. I should mention in passing that the title of Chapter 41 on the index page has an excess space between the hyphen and the chapter number.

Chapter 2:

Ah, thank you very much.

[Derpmind]

Ah, thank you very much.

very much.

Congratulations Train Dodger!

[O. Hinds]

Ah, thank you very much.

very much.

Congratulations Train Dodger!

...Um. Apparently thanks from me are worth a lot more than I thought?
Anyway, though, look at everything they spotted, and back in Chapter 2 no less.

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