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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by WovenTales Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:34 pm
You don't have to worry about that. PH being revisionist? Maybe. But it's the good kind of revision, the kind that adds depth and complexity for a richer story (even, to some extent, improving the original) and world. Besides, as far as I remember, you've never directly contradicted FoE, just elaborated around the edges. Completely different, especially when the fic's as good as it is.Somber wrote:Thanks very much for the comments. I was very nervous about the Psalm dream and had concerns it would be one more instance of PH being 'revisionist sue fic'. That's the last thing I wanted.
As for the "sue" part, the closest you've gotten is Styg, and even he's not all bad. Everyone else in the story is written strongly and realistically (unless you want to emphasize a particular trait for a scene, and even then they still feel real), and is just about as far as suedom as possible.
Finally, I wouldn't say that Psalm's role was completely unexpected, but it was nice getting concrete information on Shattered Hoof (that is the right name, right?). And just because I knew what would happen by the end of the dream, one way or another, didn't mean that the impact was any less. Your writing is amazing, no matter how much you may protest the fact.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Downloaded Skill Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:08 pm
I just finished the chapter and I thought it was pretty good. I wrote a commentary if anyone is interested.
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The Deus Situation and introduction
While the fusing of MLP and Fallout seems insane, I
always found moments like this solidify that the themes can work together. On
one hand they are willing to give him a chance, on the other they make damn
sure he is on their side and P-21 knows how to take him down from the previous
chapter, as well as the inner workings to seal the deal.
Boo is getting smarter. The image of her catching
gear in her mouth and putting it in a bag is just adorable.
Blackjack goes through shotguns like candy; she is
on her 5th or 6th one at this point. I’m still banking on
her finding that IF-21 unique shotgun she drooled over near the beginning.
P-21 discouraging foul language around his daughter
in a wasteland is both humorous and heartwarming. Daww…
I love moments like these where you realize just how
different BJ and stable 99 was. I always
did like characters with different viewpoints and cultures than my own, it
makes things more interesting. P-21 is also distancing himself from 99 in the
most obvious way, but Glory is implied to show an interest in him. Hopefully it
will never happen because it seems like BJ and Glory just lust after him while
P-21 wants appreciation.
The
Send Off
Just saying it now I called it when I said BJ wouldn’t
be able to wear armor with her new augments.
The
Tank Ride (Pre-Dream)
I always did like P-21, he is very calculating and
thoughtful when it comes to anticipating threats.
BJ’s self loathing is getting in the way of her
relationship with Glory, and P-21 is getting savvy about it. I really do hope
they stay together, if only for practical reasons. BJ would dive off the deep
end without Glory’s comfort and it is an interesting dynamic.
The
Dream
Pslam meeting with her old orphanage friend only to
see him get his skull crushed. That’s rough.
Pslam named her gun after a religious term. Five
dollars says BJ finds it and places significant value in it, both for the name
and for the person sharing her head.
Did Goldenblood provide the special rounds for
Psalm? I know he said it would be better Celestia be a martyr than a prisoner,
but why would he be so nervous? I don’t think it was just because of was on
site of an obvious ambush, it isn’t in character for him.
Why would they name the code for the assassination
of a leader “Cupcake”? The silliness of it clashes hard with the situation. I
don’t know whether to laugh or be horrified.
I always wondered about these dreams. The narration
lists information only BJ would know, but we also hear Pslam’s thoughts. Whose
perspective are we actually seeing?
I always did like Big Macintosh and Celestia. Pslam
having to kill him to kill Celestia was heart wrenching, though to some degree
I expected it. Goldy and Pslam have a habit of being present and influencing
important events that is almost predictable.
Post-Dream
(The Bridge)
BJ is getting somewhat smarter, wanting to check the
integrity of the bridge before crossing.
This entire thing with the bridge bandits has to be
a Dragon Age reference to the Lothering bandits, too much of the dialogue lines
up.
The moment when the entire things falls apart and
bandits realize how screwed they are is just priceless.
And so the hilarity comes to an end when P-21
recognizes one of the bandits from the Seahorse.
I hope I’m not alone when I say BJ should have
pulled the trigger on her own volition. You give certain people second chances
and they squander it, you don’t show mercy to those people.
Post-Bridge
Glory showing some personality changes due to the RD
transformation is a nice touch, it shows that it wasn’t just skin deep.
The fact that BJ’s friends are just fine and dandy
with the “I’m talking to a ghost” explanation for her shouting is both humorous
and sad.
As much as I like BJ as a character, her inability
to take more drastic steps to resolve problems is getting irritating. She holds
herself to higher standards than you can safely have in the wasteland. While
she has them for good reason, Lacunae shouldn’t have been the one to pull the
trigger. BJ needs to realize that certain things are acceptable in certain
situations. In this case, murder.
Hellhound
Territory
BJ is wising up by talking to Glory, but why would
she leave out the part of the Goddess’ influence? Shouldn’t they have a plan to
subdue her incase the Goddess has more control over her than BJ thinks? Unless
the Goddess is suppressing that impulse.
The Enclave pegasi raise good points. Why bother
with controlling Hellhounds? While they have interesting utility that is a high
material investment, both in R&D and application, when you have trouble
obtaining new material in the first place. Then the Enclave has to store them
in a special facility. The logistics of it make the project make it seem really
impractical.
In other news Boo has god tier perception and
premonition.
Personal preference really but I don’t like the
action sequences, I like the social interaction and intrigue. Cunning over
strength.
Cyberzebras? I thought they used alchemy, not
cybernetics. Are they androids or augmented soldiers?
Lancer. His signature move is going to be shooting
people in the spine isn’t it?
I think Boo also has god tier luck as well. Zebra’s
do not seem accident prone as a species, given that they are almost always the
agile strategist type.
Underground
Based on the absolutely stoic demeanor of this
brood, I’d say they are androids more than augmented soldiers. I can’t believe
anyone is THAT disciplined.
“There’s certain criteria
a mare has to meet in order to be considered a maiden, and I blew that when I
was your age,” Smooth BJ, real smooth.
And so we discover that the VC are
smuggling materials for the Enclave. It certainly makes sense given that the
extreme isolationism inhibits resource gathering.
How do you knock someone out who is
wearing power armor? Sneak attacks always were OP.
LNR PLC. Lunar Palace? And it requires
EC-1101 permission and is tied to horizons. This also has RD’s Office. This
place has to be related to the weather or space somehow. The satellite thing
has to be a front.
BJ finally has the whole figurine
collection after two fakes. I thought she would see some of Mane 6 on her HUD
overjoyed at this development. Ah well.
As much as I don’t like Lighthooves’
plan, I really can’t help but admire his ability to pull it together. Though if
this place was a front to hold hundreds of missiles, why would it require
EC-1101?
Again with the cruise missiles! After
having pages of discussion that caused my eyes to glaze over we have to hit this
point again and again. Ergh.
Post-Hellhound Territory
There really needs to be a picture of
Rainbow Glory bouncing around like Pinkie.
And so we meet the Legate that’s been hyped
up by almost every zebra BJ has come across, and he really does not disappoint.
How the hell is he invulnerable? If
there was some kind of potion or spell to make people regenerate from lethal
wounds everyone would have it. Maybe he was from before the war and they gave
it to him because of his abilities? What is he?
Having Lancer lose an eye makes me feels
somewhat better. Whenever an important or named zebra comes up they are almost
god-mode untouchable. This legate takes it up to 11.
I really would have liked it if more
people were involved in the fate discussion. It’s one of those topics that
interested me. P-21 was told that his destiny was over by a fortune teller
right? He would be the perfect example that you can tell fate to fuck off.
Now plans are being made to take on
Shadowbolt Tower and the Enclave. This absolutely massive story is going to
bring some conclusions to its many plot threads. Not to insult the story, but
if no progress is being made people are going to lose interest.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Harmony Ltd. Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:28 pm
Vergil wrote:
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- Well, I had too guessed for a long time now that Psalm was the one responsible for Big Mac's death (Sniper ? Check. Seems psychologically unstable ? Check. Close-ties to the OIA / Goldenblood ? Check.), but what went against my expectations was that trying to kill Celestia wasn't an order she received, but an initiative she took on the moment.
That, and the exact circumstances of the incident in itself.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Kippershy Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:44 pm
Somber... if you're going to read this, don't feel bad.
If you don't read this, I really don't blame you.
If you do read this, please don't hate me.
Even more so, please don't hate yourself or your work.
I'm not trying to make you feel bad or upset you... but I've got to be honest. This is the first time I've felt like this towards a chapter in such strength. I mean, sure, there's been moments here and there but never has it been like this.
Still, that's just me and my opinion. Don't let it get to you.
...here goes.
If you don't read this, I really don't blame you.
If you do read this, please don't hate me.
Even more so, please don't hate yourself or your work.
I'm not trying to make you feel bad or upset you... but I've got to be honest. This is the first time I've felt like this towards a chapter in such strength. I mean, sure, there's been moments here and there but never has it been like this.
Still, that's just me and my opinion. Don't let it get to you.
...here goes.
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Boo catching things in her mouth? Simply adorable.
"Surface shouldn't have anything even close to that firepower".. well, my take on things varies to yours a lot.
"There's a mare he wouldn't try and fuck"... and that's because you ARE the mare he went ahead and fucked.
...Sort've.
...I have no words to say on the 'turbine' things. Being around the people on /mlp/ has given me a sour note on this topic.
It would've been funny to me before, but yeah... sorry.
Does Blackjack not realise that being accostomed to something makes it mundane and boring - where-as if something is rare it's considered exotic and thus interesting?
It's why she finds fliers so attractive. Silly mare.
Also, tempting Glory into sleeping with a buck -is- something Blackjack would do but I'm worried if she pushes too hard it'd only insult Glory by saying "yeah, sleep around why not" when she has a totally different upbringing which hates that.
>I didn't love her
Get out.
Canon breaaaaaaaaaaaaak!
Psalm has AP rounds at the time of the Big Macintosh death /attempted Celestia assassination. However, AP rounds were brought about in an attempt by the ponies to take down Zebra robots and were fiercely fought against by Applejack because they were capable of hitting through the Steel Ranger armour she'd invented because of the death of BM.
Unless I'm mistaken, AP rounds weren't supposed to be around until at the very least - after BM died.
Now, I know this is PH and PH doesn't need to keep to everything the original set up, but I still wanted to point that out.
I'm NOT trying to upset you, you don't fail as an author for it or anything else - I only bring it up because you've gone for so long not trying to break canon even if it meant changing what you wanted in such a way that it wouldn't really break from the final outcome of the main fic... so maybe it's just me being an ass, but I'm not trying to be.
Whatever you do though, don't feel you have to change such a small thing just because I point out that I think it doesn't match up. It's really not that big of a deal.
Chaos at the meeting? Well, I suppose that it was never handled with any more detail than "and then BM died" so I'll hand you that, there's got to be some kind've reason why things went to shit and he'd be dead.
Still feels a bit weird to read though.
The fact that Cheddar died in such a way is quite powerful though, in a good way. Reminds me of something else, not PH though.
Interesting dream sequence. I liked the combat in it, gave a real tense feeling. Also, the "from over the hills" scene with the Shadowbolts was fuckin' amazing. Though, who DOESN'T love a 'from over the hills' sequence?
(Forgive me if that's not the proper name for the trope, but that's my personal connotation for it.)
<s>AANNNNND just like that, juuust like that, you annoy me.
I'm so glad I wrote what I wrote into chapter three of my own story. At least I can pretend that one of Blackjacks rapists got what they deserved.
I'm not saying that this isn't in-character for Blackjack, I'm saying that it annoys me how every protagonist seems to be so damn white knight as to not be willing to do what it'd fucking take to cleanse the wasteland. No, instead, they simply push the problem away because they don't want to deal with it themselves.
It's what Blackjack would do, but if it was me behind the wheel - well, I already have my story and I make my point very clear in it.</s>
Wait, was that Blackjack who shot or somepony else? Or perhaps, Psalm taking control of Blackjack for that split moment?
If it was Psalm taking control for a moment, my annoyance is relieved. Still leaving my little rant there though, in strike-out.
Okay, reading on, it came from Blackjack but I'm still open to the possibility that it was Psalm taking control of her trigger ability for a moment there.
SO, it was Lacunae. I like that. Lacunae doing what was necessary.
I'm still frustrated that Blackjack is a little bitch about it all, but I'm just ranting because I can at this point.
So, again, I'm gonna speak out of context of the story here.
Please don't feel that you've failed just because I'm expressing negative reactions here. I'm not triyng to upset you, I'm not trying to hurt you. I'm not trying to say Project Horizons is terrible and you should feel terrible.
I'm saying that for once, I'm expressing my dislike towards certain parts of a chapter and yes that may be quite often brought up in my points, but that's not to say the chapter as a whole is bad. It's not. It's not a chapter I don't find entertaining either, I do find it entertaining.
It's just got things that annoy me and I don't want to feed you sunshine and dasies and tell you it's absolutely perfect without any flaws because for me, it isn't.
That doesn't mean I want you to feel bad though. It's just one of those things.
Boo being an advanced early warning detection system is... interesting. I like it. It plays well into how she managed to survive so long in Hypocratic.
Interesting fight scene with the dogs so far. Just got up to the bit where Boo calms down because they're downwind and yadda yadda yadda. It's been a better fight scene than usual thus far, though it definitely helps that Blackjack is up against opponents that actually pose a major threat and make her feel weak again.
Deathclaws always were somewhat a threat in NV (and to a lesser extent, FO3), even at max level. So yeah, glad to see they've been handled pretty well.
So, cyberific zebras, huh? I know you've included the idea of this into the history of the war, though to know there's fresh corpses which have been cybernetically enhanced is interesting.
Seems a little dues ex with how Boo was saved from that strike, but I'll accept that on account of it being Boo. Just hope that it doesn't happen with every single time she ever has any harm possibly directed at her.
I'm not sure what to think at this point... I'll have to talk to CamoBadger, but I think...
I think Blackjack just pulled a move even more stupid than...
(This is in reference to warning everypony around that they've got five minutes, and not something closer to say, two minutes.)
And so, Blackjack finally completes the set. I like that she found it somewhere only Rainbow herself would be able to reach, especially at the fact that it's where she does her planning for missions and would want to think smart and not rush through simply assuming her first plan would work without fail.
Nope, sorry. Not a fan of the LOTR reference in the slightest.
If this had been more contextually similar, sure. Go for it.
Trying to fly off a roof in open space though? Doesn't fit with me.
If it had been a hallway, if it had been a gate or trying to get through an opening in the wall/ceiling, sure - it would've worked well.
Sorry to be such a downer this time around, but that reference doesn't dig with me and I just wanted to say so.
So, climatic battle going on. Luck that the hounds would stop, even with the mention of Gnarr. Not that it's a bad thing, I'm just thinking during the heat of battle and the momentum of aggression, it's a damn fine bit of luck for Blackjack that they would pause long enough to spare her.
Sooooo... super badass zebra leader. Beginning the fight scene now.
And now with that red glow, I'm certain my theory that he's cybernetically enhanced are 95% probably true with only a 5% chance of me being wrong.
...And now he's commanding the elements? Sorry, I really, really hope you don't read this and think that you've failed horribly or that the whole chapter is worthless, but I'm not enjoying this myself.
I mean, yes I enjoy the fact that Blackjack is having to fight a "fair" fight (as in, having an opponent who pushes her limits and goes beyond that) but it still feels... odd. I'm not a fan of anime though, so it could be that.
Anime anime anime...
Oh look, more anime... (sorry, but I'm -really- not a fan of anime and this fight scene reeks of it.)
Having your gun torn in two, face ripped apart and if I read right, eye torn out yet still moving freely?
You're going to hate me, I'm sorry Somber.
Anime.
I mean, I like that Blackjack finally lost a fight without having to die for losing it - but it just... again, I'm not a fan of anime and so this part of the chapter has just been torture for me because when I say I don't like anime, I mean I really hate how anime gets so cheesy but because I don't have it forced upon me, I don't worry about it.
Now however, it feels like a part of the story and because I love the rest of the story so much, it isn't enough to throw me off completely. However, this specific part of the chapter has been completely against my taste and while I could just stay quiet about it and let you enjoy writing what you want to - I feel I still have the right to say about it.
Don't stop doing what you want to do, write whatever you want to. There's no doubt a reasonable amount of anime fans that read the story and enjoy this. Likewise, there's no doubt a fair amount of fans who dislike anime the same way/amount that I do and will dislike this.
It's a matter of personal preference, but the fight hasn't set the whole story to always be like this from now on so it's okay.
Just, please. Don't think I want you to feel bad.
Again, not much I can say.
Don't feel bad, but this chapter certainly wasn't for me.
I'm glad it ended on a much more normal feeling note, however.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Kippershy Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:56 pm
Oh, and about the...
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- news regarding Big Macintosh's death... yeah, totally had that pinned to her many, many moons ago. I thought it was said so in a flashback? Eh, if it wasn't I'd already figured it for her.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by tylertoon2 Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:13 pm
Fantastic Chapter as always!
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- "Bisexuality: double your options, double your fun!"
Exactly! Blackjack gots it right! Picking one is boring!
As for the rest of the chapter, it was very good and you did well keeping the tension I was almost positive we would see a major death this chapter. Everything is coming to a head, Lighthooves, the Goddess, the enclave, and now even motherfucking Project Horizons is ready to be unleashed on the wasteland.
The scene at the bridge was stunning. I just hope to all hope it doesn't break her. At the very least, the raiders and bandits will hopefully start learning what a bad idea it is to be EVIL RAPIST RAIDERS AND BANDITS
The Legate is a fucking scary foe. I have no idea how blackjack will beat him, but I will cheer when it happens. The whole dynamic of fate vs. freedom is fantastic. I for one feel hopeful. If anyone can fight the workings of the universe it's these ponies.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by O. Hinds Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:42 pm
Kippershy wrote:Somber... if you're going to read this, don't feel bad.
If you don't read this, I really don't blame you.
If you do read this, please don't hate me.
Even more so, please don't hate yourself or your work.
I'm not trying to make you feel bad or upset you... but I've got to be honest. This is the first time I've felt like this towards a chapter in such strength. I mean, sure, there's been moments here and there but never has it been like this.
Still, that's just me and my opinion. Don't let it get to you.
...here goes.
- Spoiler:
Boo catching things in her mouth? Simply adorable.
"Surface shouldn't have anything even close to that firepower".. well, my take on things varies to yours a lot.
"There's a mare he wouldn't try and fuck"... and that's because you ARE the mare he went ahead and fucked.
...Sort've.
...I have no words to say on the 'turbine' things. Being around the people on /mlp/ has given me a sour note on this topic.
It would've been funny to me before, but yeah... sorry.
Does Blackjack not realise that being accostomed to something makes it mundane and boring - where-as if something is rare it's considered exotic and thus interesting?
It's why she finds fliers so attractive. Silly mare.
Also, tempting Glory into sleeping with a buck -is- something Blackjack would do but I'm worried if she pushes too hard it'd only insult Glory by saying "yeah, sleep around why not" when she has a totally different upbringing which hates that.
>I didn't love her
Get out.
Canon breaaaaaaaaaaaaak!
Psalm has AP rounds at the time of the Big Macintosh death /attempted Celestia assassination. However, AP rounds were brought about in an attempt by the ponies to take down Zebra robots and were fiercely fought against by Applejack because they were capable of hitting through the Steel Ranger armour she'd invented because of the death of BM.
Unless I'm mistaken, AP rounds weren't supposed to be around until at the very least - after BM died.
Now, I know this is PH and PH doesn't need to keep to everything the original set up, but I still wanted to point that out.
I'm NOT trying to upset you, you don't fail as an author for it or anything else - I only bring it up because you've gone for so long not trying to break canon even if it meant changing what you wanted in such a way that it wouldn't really break from the final outcome of the main fic... so maybe it's just me being an ass, but I'm not trying to be.
Whatever you do though, don't feel you have to change such a small thing just because I point out that I think it doesn't match up. It's really not that big of a deal.
Chaos at the meeting? Well, I suppose that it was never handled with any more detail than "and then BM died" so I'll hand you that, there's got to be some kind've reason why things went to shit and he'd be dead.
Still feels a bit weird to read though.
The fact that Cheddar died in such a way is quite powerful though, in a good way. Reminds me of something else, not PH though.
Interesting dream sequence. I liked the combat in it, gave a real tense feeling. Also, the "from over the hills" scene with the Shadowbolts was fuckin' amazing. Though, who DOESN'T love a 'from over the hills' sequence?
(Forgive me if that's not the proper name for the trope, but that's my personal connotation for it.)
<s>AANNNNND just like that, juuust like that, you annoy me.
I'm so glad I wrote what I wrote into chapter three of my own story. At least I can pretend that one of Blackjacks rapists got what they deserved.
I'm not saying that this isn't in-character for Blackjack, I'm saying that it annoys me how every protagonist seems to be so damn white knight as to not be willing to do what it'd fucking take to cleanse the wasteland. No, instead, they simply push the problem away because they don't want to deal with it themselves.
It's what Blackjack would do, but if it was me behind the wheel - well, I already have my story and I make my point very clear in it.</s>
Wait, was that Blackjack who shot or somepony else? Or perhaps, Psalm taking control of Blackjack for that split moment?
If it was Psalm taking control for a moment, my annoyance is relieved. Still leaving my little rant there though, in strike-out.
Okay, reading on, it came from Blackjack but I'm still open to the possibility that it was Psalm taking control of her trigger ability for a moment there.
SO, it was Lacunae. I like that. Lacunae doing what was necessary.
I'm still frustrated that Blackjack is a little bitch about it all, but I'm just ranting because I can at this point.
So, again, I'm gonna speak out of context of the story here.
Please don't feel that you've failed just because I'm expressing negative reactions here. I'm not triyng to upset you, I'm not trying to hurt you. I'm not trying to say Project Horizons is terrible and you should feel terrible.
I'm saying that for once, I'm expressing my dislike towards certain parts of a chapter and yes that may be quite often brought up in my points, but that's not to say the chapter as a whole is bad. It's not. It's not a chapter I don't find entertaining either, I do find it entertaining.
It's just got things that annoy me and I don't want to feed you sunshine and dasies and tell you it's absolutely perfect without any flaws because for me, it isn't.
That doesn't mean I want you to feel bad though. It's just one of those things.
Boo being an advanced early warning detection system is... interesting. I like it. It plays well into how she managed to survive so long in Hypocratic.
Interesting fight scene with the dogs so far. Just got up to the bit where Boo calms down because they're downwind and yadda yadda yadda. It's been a better fight scene than usual thus far, though it definitely helps that Blackjack is up against opponents that actually pose a major threat and make her feel weak again.
Deathclaws always were somewhat a threat in NV (and to a lesser extent, FO3), even at max level. So yeah, glad to see they've been handled pretty well.
So, cyberific zebras, huh? I know you've included the idea of this into the history of the war, though to know there's fresh corpses which have been cybernetically enhanced is interesting.
Seems a little dues ex with how Boo was saved from that strike, but I'll accept that on account of it being Boo. Just hope that it doesn't happen with every single time she ever has any harm possibly directed at her.
I'm not sure what to think at this point... I'll have to talk to CamoBadger, but I think...
I think Blackjack just pulled a move even more stupid than...
(This is in reference to warning everypony around that they've got five minutes, and not something closer to say, two minutes.)
And so, Blackjack finally completes the set. I like that she found it somewhere only Rainbow herself would be able to reach, especially at the fact that it's where she does her planning for missions and would want to think smart and not rush through simply assuming her first plan would work without fail.
Nope, sorry. Not a fan of the LOTR reference in the slightest.
If this had been more contextually similar, sure. Go for it.
Trying to fly off a roof in open space though? Doesn't fit with me.
If it had been a hallway, if it had been a gate or trying to get through an opening in the wall/ceiling, sure - it would've worked well.
Sorry to be such a downer this time around, but that reference doesn't dig with me and I just wanted to say so.
So, climatic battle going on. Luck that the hounds would stop, even with the mention of Gnarr. Not that it's a bad thing, I'm just thinking during the heat of battle and the momentum of aggression, it's a damn fine bit of luck for Blackjack that they would pause long enough to spare her.
Sooooo... super badass zebra leader. Beginning the fight scene now.
And now with that red glow, I'm certain my theory that he's cybernetically enhanced are 95% probably true with only a 5% chance of me being wrong.
...And now he's commanding the elements? Sorry, I really, really hope you don't read this and think that you've failed horribly or that the whole chapter is worthless, but I'm not enjoying this myself.
I mean, yes I enjoy the fact that Blackjack is having to fight a "fair" fight (as in, having an opponent who pushes her limits and goes beyond that) but it still feels... odd. I'm not a fan of anime though, so it could be that.
Anime anime anime...
Oh look, more anime... (sorry, but I'm -really- not a fan of anime and this fight scene reeks of it.)
Having your gun torn in two, face ripped apart and if I read right, eye torn out yet still moving freely?
You're going to hate me, I'm sorry Somber.
Anime.
I mean, I like that Blackjack finally lost a fight without having to die for losing it - but it just... again, I'm not a fan of anime and so this part of the chapter has just been torture for me because when I say I don't like anime, I mean I really hate how anime gets so cheesy but because I don't have it forced upon me, I don't worry about it.
Now however, it feels like a part of the story and because I love the rest of the story so much, it isn't enough to throw me off completely. However, this specific part of the chapter has been completely against my taste and while I could just stay quiet about it and let you enjoy writing what you want to - I feel I still have the right to say about it.
Don't stop doing what you want to do, write whatever you want to. There's no doubt a reasonable amount of anime fans that read the story and enjoy this. Likewise, there's no doubt a fair amount of fans who dislike anime the same way/amount that I do and will dislike this.
It's a matter of personal preference, but the fight hasn't set the whole story to always be like this from now on so it's okay.
Just, please. Don't think I want you to feel bad.
Again, not much I can say.
Don't feel bad, but this chapter certainly wasn't for me.
I'm glad it ended on a much more normal feeling note, however.
- Spoiler:
re turbine:
I wanted it to be a transformer instead, but I was informed that most people associate the word "transformer" not so much at all with humming sounds and much more with giant robots that turn into cars.
re AP rounds:
Hm, good point. Very sorry about missing that. Though you're not quite right: it was the Zebras who developed AP rounds after Equestria began making AM rifles.
However, I think that it could possibly be explained by these being non-mass-production ammunition, expensive specialist stuff rather than rounds that are widely issued. Psalm does, after all, list them alongside dragonkiller and explosive antipersonnel rounds. I've written Somber, though.Kkat wrote:“But I knew how bad that hurt her, and how deeply personal she took it. Only made it worse that she had family in Ironshod. Whole thing just about tore her apart…” He nickered behind his helmet. “Damn thing was, the zebras came out with armor-piercing ammo a few months later anyways. Not as effective as an anti-machine rifle at taking down my fellow Rangers, but a well placed round from a rifle could punch through a Ranger’s helmet.”
…A great many people seem to find the fight scene with Vitiosus to be reminiscent of anime. Interesting.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Kippershy Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:56 pm
O. Hinds wrote:Kippershy wrote:Somber... if you're going to read this, don't feel bad.
If you don't read this, I really don't blame you.
If you do read this, please don't hate me.
Even more so, please don't hate yourself or your work.
I'm not trying to make you feel bad or upset you... but I've got to be honest. This is the first time I've felt like this towards a chapter in such strength. I mean, sure, there's been moments here and there but never has it been like this.
Still, that's just me and my opinion. Don't let it get to you.
...here goes.
- Spoiler:
Boo catching things in her mouth? Simply adorable.
"Surface shouldn't have anything even close to that firepower".. well, my take on things varies to yours a lot.
"There's a mare he wouldn't try and fuck"... and that's because you ARE the mare he went ahead and fucked.
...Sort've.
...I have no words to say on the 'turbine' things. Being around the people on /mlp/ has given me a sour note on this topic.
It would've been funny to me before, but yeah... sorry.
Does Blackjack not realise that being accostomed to something makes it mundane and boring - where-as if something is rare it's considered exotic and thus interesting?
It's why she finds fliers so attractive. Silly mare.
Also, tempting Glory into sleeping with a buck -is- something Blackjack would do but I'm worried if she pushes too hard it'd only insult Glory by saying "yeah, sleep around why not" when she has a totally different upbringing which hates that.
>I didn't love her
Get out.
Canon breaaaaaaaaaaaaak!
Psalm has AP rounds at the time of the Big Macintosh death /attempted Celestia assassination. However, AP rounds were brought about in an attempt by the ponies to take down Zebra robots and were fiercely fought against by Applejack because they were capable of hitting through the Steel Ranger armour she'd invented because of the death of BM.
Unless I'm mistaken, AP rounds weren't supposed to be around until at the very least - after BM died.
Now, I know this is PH and PH doesn't need to keep to everything the original set up, but I still wanted to point that out.
I'm NOT trying to upset you, you don't fail as an author for it or anything else - I only bring it up because you've gone for so long not trying to break canon even if it meant changing what you wanted in such a way that it wouldn't really break from the final outcome of the main fic... so maybe it's just me being an ass, but I'm not trying to be.
Whatever you do though, don't feel you have to change such a small thing just because I point out that I think it doesn't match up. It's really not that big of a deal.
Chaos at the meeting? Well, I suppose that it was never handled with any more detail than "and then BM died" so I'll hand you that, there's got to be some kind've reason why things went to shit and he'd be dead.
Still feels a bit weird to read though.
The fact that Cheddar died in such a way is quite powerful though, in a good way. Reminds me of something else, not PH though.
Interesting dream sequence. I liked the combat in it, gave a real tense feeling. Also, the "from over the hills" scene with the Shadowbolts was fuckin' amazing. Though, who DOESN'T love a 'from over the hills' sequence?
(Forgive me if that's not the proper name for the trope, but that's my personal connotation for it.)
AANNNNND just like that, juuust like that, you annoy me.
I'm so glad I wrote what I wrote into chapter three of my own story. At least I can pretend that one of Blackjacks rapists got what they deserved.
I'm not saying that this isn't in-character for Blackjack, I'm saying that it annoys me how every protagonist seems to be so damn white knight as to not be willing to do what it'd fucking take to cleanse the wasteland. No, instead, they simply push the problem away because they don't want to deal with it themselves.
It's what Blackjack would do, but if it was me behind the wheel - well, I already have my story and I make my point very clear in it.
Wait, was that Blackjack who shot or somepony else? Or perhaps, Psalm taking control of Blackjack for that split moment?
If it was Psalm taking control for a moment, my annoyance is relieved. Still leaving my little rant there though, in strike-out.
Okay, reading on, it came from Blackjack but I'm still open to the possibility that it was Psalm taking control of her trigger ability for a moment there.
SO, it was Lacunae. I like that. Lacunae doing what was necessary.
I'm still frustrated that Blackjack is a little bitch about it all, but I'm just ranting because I can at this point.
So, again, I'm gonna speak out of context of the story here.
Please don't feel that you've failed just because I'm expressing negative reactions here. I'm not triyng to upset you, I'm not trying to hurt you. I'm not trying to say Project Horizons is terrible and you should feel terrible.
I'm saying that for once, I'm expressing my dislike towards certain parts of a chapter and yes that may be quite often brought up in my points, but that's not to say the chapter as a whole is bad. It's not. It's not a chapter I don't find entertaining either, I do find it entertaining.
It's just got things that annoy me and I don't want to feed you sunshine and dasies and tell you it's absolutely perfect without any flaws because for me, it isn't.
That doesn't mean I want you to feel bad though. It's just one of those things.
Boo being an advanced early warning detection system is... interesting. I like it. It plays well into how she managed to survive so long in Hypocratic.
Interesting fight scene with the dogs so far. Just got up to the bit where Boo calms down because they're downwind and yadda yadda yadda. It's been a better fight scene than usual thus far, though it definitely helps that Blackjack is up against opponents that actually pose a major threat and make her feel weak again.
Deathclaws always were somewhat a threat in NV (and to a lesser extent, FO3), even at max level. So yeah, glad to see they've been handled pretty well.
So, cyberific zebras, huh? I know you've included the idea of this into the history of the war, though to know there's fresh corpses which have been cybernetically enhanced is interesting.
Seems a little dues ex with how Boo was saved from that strike, but I'll accept that on account of it being Boo. Just hope that it doesn't happen with every single time she ever has any harm possibly directed at her.
I'm not sure what to think at this point... I'll have to talk to CamoBadger, but I think...
I think Blackjack just pulled a move even more stupid than...
(This is in reference to warning everypony around that they've got five minutes, and not something closer to say, two minutes.)
And so, Blackjack finally completes the set. I like that she found it somewhere only Rainbow herself would be able to reach, especially at the fact that it's where she does her planning for missions and would want to think smart and not rush through simply assuming her first plan would work without fail.
Nope, sorry. Not a fan of the LOTR reference in the slightest.
If this had been more contextually similar, sure. Go for it.
Trying to fly off a roof in open space though? Doesn't fit with me.
If it had been a hallway, if it had been a gate or trying to get through an opening in the wall/ceiling, sure - it would've worked well.
Sorry to be such a downer this time around, but that reference doesn't dig with me and I just wanted to say so.
So, climatic battle going on. Luck that the hounds would stop, even with the mention of Gnarr. Not that it's a bad thing, I'm just thinking during the heat of battle and the momentum of aggression, it's a damn fine bit of luck for Blackjack that they would pause long enough to spare her.
Sooooo... super badass zebra leader. Beginning the fight scene now.
And now with that red glow, I'm certain my theory that he's cybernetically enhanced are 95% probably true with only a 5% chance of me being wrong.
...And now he's commanding the elements? Sorry, I really, really hope you don't read this and think that you've failed horribly or that the whole chapter is worthless, but I'm not enjoying this myself.
I mean, yes I enjoy the fact that Blackjack is having to fight a "fair" fight (as in, having an opponent who pushes her limits and goes beyond that) but it still feels... odd. I'm not a fan of anime though, so it could be that.
Anime anime anime...
Oh look, more anime... (sorry, but I'm -really- not a fan of anime and this fight scene reeks of it.)
Having your gun torn in two, face ripped apart and if I read right, eye torn out yet still moving freely?
You're going to hate me, I'm sorry Somber.
Anime.
I mean, I like that Blackjack finally lost a fight without having to die for losing it - but it just... again, I'm not a fan of anime and so this part of the chapter has just been torture for me because when I say I don't like anime, I mean I really hate how anime gets so cheesy but because I don't have it forced upon me, I don't worry about it.
Now however, it feels like a part of the story and because I love the rest of the story so much, it isn't enough to throw me off completely. However, this specific part of the chapter has been completely against my taste and while I could just stay quiet about it and let you enjoy writing what you want to - I feel I still have the right to say about it.
Don't stop doing what you want to do, write whatever you want to. There's no doubt a reasonable amount of anime fans that read the story and enjoy this. Likewise, there's no doubt a fair amount of fans who dislike anime the same way/amount that I do and will dislike this.
It's a matter of personal preference, but the fight hasn't set the whole story to always be like this from now on so it's okay.
Just, please. Don't think I want you to feel bad.
Again, not much I can say.
Don't feel bad, but this chapter certainly wasn't for me.
I'm glad it ended on a much more normal feeling note, however.
- Spoiler:
re turbine:
I wanted it to be a transformer instead, but I was informed that most people associate the word "transformer" not so much at all with humming sounds and much more with giant robots that turn into cars.
re AP rounds:
Hm, good point. Very sorry about missing that. Though you're not quite right: it was the Zebras who developed AP rounds after Equestria began making AM rifles.However, I think that it could possibly be explained by these being non-mass-production ammunition, expensive specialist stuff rather than rounds that are widely issued. Psalm does, after all, list them alongside dragonkiller and explosive antipersonnel rounds. I've written Somber, though.Kkat wrote:“But I knew how bad that hurt her, and how deeply personal she took it. Only made it worse that she had family in Ironshod. Whole thing just about tore her apart…” He nickered behind his helmet. “Damn thing was, the zebras came out with armor-piercing ammo a few months later anyways. Not as effective as an anti-machine rifle at taking down my fellow Rangers, but a well placed round from a rifle could punch through a Ranger’s helmet.”
…A great many people seem to find the fight scene with Vitiosus to be reminiscent of anime. Interesting.
I'm just gonna spoiler everything so I can speak freely without concern.
- Spoiler:
Ahh, good catch on the AP/AM issue. I knew something was up though I'm glad you've managed to say that I was half right half wrong.
As for the whole turbine / transformer issue - I would've understood what you meant, but I do agree there is a lot of people who probably wouldn't understand.
Really, the intended humour behind the joke IS clear to me and in a small way I do appreciate it, but after having been hanging around 4chan's /mlp/ board and sitting around in the FOE threads, I've had to look through a lot of Somber / PH bashing and the fact that he dared to give Scotch any form of consenting sexual history is a big issue for them lot.. and they managed to change my mind on the issue from neither for or against to against it. So to see it being brought up like that just... yeah.
I'm not saying it doesn't fit the story setting, how she grew up and all that... but where I previously didn't mind, it's now been tainted for me and all that.
As for the whole final fight seeming like anime, it's because it's so OVER THE FUCKING TOP THAT I HAVE TO USE CAPS TO EXPRESS WHAT I MEAN.
Grabbing a tank shell with ease, letting it explode below you as if it was nothing?
Having armour so tough that you don't feel a thing when something like a powerhoof is punching you? Instead, breaking the damned thing?
Commanding the elements just because Caesar says so?
Taking what is most likely a 50.cal HMG to the face and not giving a single fuck?
Taking a sword so sharp that it can cut through soul jar items yet not decapitate the guy, but instead have him act as if it's just a rock being thrown at him?
That is exactly the shit you see in anime fights. Over the top to the point where if you're anywhere even close to being 10 on the dial, you're too far low down.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by O. Hinds Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:22 pm
Kippershy wrote:O. Hinds wrote:Kippershy wrote:Somber... if you're going to read this, don't feel bad.
If you don't read this, I really don't blame you.
If you do read this, please don't hate me.
Even more so, please don't hate yourself or your work.
I'm not trying to make you feel bad or upset you... but I've got to be honest. This is the first time I've felt like this towards a chapter in such strength. I mean, sure, there's been moments here and there but never has it been like this.
Still, that's just me and my opinion. Don't let it get to you.
...here goes.
- Spoiler:
Boo catching things in her mouth? Simply adorable.
"Surface shouldn't have anything even close to that firepower".. well, my take on things varies to yours a lot.
"There's a mare he wouldn't try and fuck"... and that's because you ARE the mare he went ahead and fucked.
...Sort've.
...I have no words to say on the 'turbine' things. Being around the people on /mlp/ has given me a sour note on this topic.
It would've been funny to me before, but yeah... sorry.
Does Blackjack not realise that being accostomed to something makes it mundane and boring - where-as if something is rare it's considered exotic and thus interesting?
It's why she finds fliers so attractive. Silly mare.
Also, tempting Glory into sleeping with a buck -is- something Blackjack would do but I'm worried if she pushes too hard it'd only insult Glory by saying "yeah, sleep around why not" when she has a totally different upbringing which hates that.
>I didn't love her
Get out.
Canon breaaaaaaaaaaaaak!
Psalm has AP rounds at the time of the Big Macintosh death /attempted Celestia assassination. However, AP rounds were brought about in an attempt by the ponies to take down Zebra robots and were fiercely fought against by Applejack because they were capable of hitting through the Steel Ranger armour she'd invented because of the death of BM.
Unless I'm mistaken, AP rounds weren't supposed to be around until at the very least - after BM died.
Now, I know this is PH and PH doesn't need to keep to everything the original set up, but I still wanted to point that out.
I'm NOT trying to upset you, you don't fail as an author for it or anything else - I only bring it up because you've gone for so long not trying to break canon even if it meant changing what you wanted in such a way that it wouldn't really break from the final outcome of the main fic... so maybe it's just me being an ass, but I'm not trying to be.
Whatever you do though, don't feel you have to change such a small thing just because I point out that I think it doesn't match up. It's really not that big of a deal.
Chaos at the meeting? Well, I suppose that it was never handled with any more detail than "and then BM died" so I'll hand you that, there's got to be some kind've reason why things went to shit and he'd be dead.
Still feels a bit weird to read though.
The fact that Cheddar died in such a way is quite powerful though, in a good way. Reminds me of something else, not PH though.
Interesting dream sequence. I liked the combat in it, gave a real tense feeling. Also, the "from over the hills" scene with the Shadowbolts was fuckin' amazing. Though, who DOESN'T love a 'from over the hills' sequence?
(Forgive me if that's not the proper name for the trope, but that's my personal connotation for it.)
AANNNNND just like that, juuust like that, you annoy me.
I'm so glad I wrote what I wrote into chapter three of my own story. At least I can pretend that one of Blackjacks rapists got what they deserved.
I'm not saying that this isn't in-character for Blackjack, I'm saying that it annoys me how every protagonist seems to be so damn white knight as to not be willing to do what it'd fucking take to cleanse the wasteland. No, instead, they simply push the problem away because they don't want to deal with it themselves.
It's what Blackjack would do, but if it was me behind the wheel - well, I already have my story and I make my point very clear in it.
Wait, was that Blackjack who shot or somepony else? Or perhaps, Psalm taking control of Blackjack for that split moment?
If it was Psalm taking control for a moment, my annoyance is relieved. Still leaving my little rant there though, in strike-out.
Okay, reading on, it came from Blackjack but I'm still open to the possibility that it was Psalm taking control of her trigger ability for a moment there.
SO, it was Lacunae. I like that. Lacunae doing what was necessary.
I'm still frustrated that Blackjack is a little bitch about it all, but I'm just ranting because I can at this point.
So, again, I'm gonna speak out of context of the story here.
Please don't feel that you've failed just because I'm expressing negative reactions here. I'm not triyng to upset you, I'm not trying to hurt you. I'm not trying to say Project Horizons is terrible and you should feel terrible.
I'm saying that for once, I'm expressing my dislike towards certain parts of a chapter and yes that may be quite often brought up in my points, but that's not to say the chapter as a whole is bad. It's not. It's not a chapter I don't find entertaining either, I do find it entertaining.
It's just got things that annoy me and I don't want to feed you sunshine and dasies and tell you it's absolutely perfect without any flaws because for me, it isn't.
That doesn't mean I want you to feel bad though. It's just one of those things.
Boo being an advanced early warning detection system is... interesting. I like it. It plays well into how she managed to survive so long in Hypocratic.
Interesting fight scene with the dogs so far. Just got up to the bit where Boo calms down because they're downwind and yadda yadda yadda. It's been a better fight scene than usual thus far, though it definitely helps that Blackjack is up against opponents that actually pose a major threat and make her feel weak again.
Deathclaws always were somewhat a threat in NV (and to a lesser extent, FO3), even at max level. So yeah, glad to see they've been handled pretty well.
So, cyberific zebras, huh? I know you've included the idea of this into the history of the war, though to know there's fresh corpses which have been cybernetically enhanced is interesting.
Seems a little dues ex with how Boo was saved from that strike, but I'll accept that on account of it being Boo. Just hope that it doesn't happen with every single time she ever has any harm possibly directed at her.
I'm not sure what to think at this point... I'll have to talk to CamoBadger, but I think...
I think Blackjack just pulled a move even more stupid than...
(This is in reference to warning everypony around that they've got five minutes, and not something closer to say, two minutes.)
And so, Blackjack finally completes the set. I like that she found it somewhere only Rainbow herself would be able to reach, especially at the fact that it's where she does her planning for missions and would want to think smart and not rush through simply assuming her first plan would work without fail.
Nope, sorry. Not a fan of the LOTR reference in the slightest.
If this had been more contextually similar, sure. Go for it.
Trying to fly off a roof in open space though? Doesn't fit with me.
If it had been a hallway, if it had been a gate or trying to get through an opening in the wall/ceiling, sure - it would've worked well.
Sorry to be such a downer this time around, but that reference doesn't dig with me and I just wanted to say so.
So, climatic battle going on. Luck that the hounds would stop, even with the mention of Gnarr. Not that it's a bad thing, I'm just thinking during the heat of battle and the momentum of aggression, it's a damn fine bit of luck for Blackjack that they would pause long enough to spare her.
Sooooo... super badass zebra leader. Beginning the fight scene now.
And now with that red glow, I'm certain my theory that he's cybernetically enhanced are 95% probably true with only a 5% chance of me being wrong.
...And now he's commanding the elements? Sorry, I really, really hope you don't read this and think that you've failed horribly or that the whole chapter is worthless, but I'm not enjoying this myself.
I mean, yes I enjoy the fact that Blackjack is having to fight a "fair" fight (as in, having an opponent who pushes her limits and goes beyond that) but it still feels... odd. I'm not a fan of anime though, so it could be that.
Anime anime anime...
Oh look, more anime... (sorry, but I'm -really- not a fan of anime and this fight scene reeks of it.)
Having your gun torn in two, face ripped apart and if I read right, eye torn out yet still moving freely?
You're going to hate me, I'm sorry Somber.
Anime.
I mean, I like that Blackjack finally lost a fight without having to die for losing it - but it just... again, I'm not a fan of anime and so this part of the chapter has just been torture for me because when I say I don't like anime, I mean I really hate how anime gets so cheesy but because I don't have it forced upon me, I don't worry about it.
Now however, it feels like a part of the story and because I love the rest of the story so much, it isn't enough to throw me off completely. However, this specific part of the chapter has been completely against my taste and while I could just stay quiet about it and let you enjoy writing what you want to - I feel I still have the right to say about it.
Don't stop doing what you want to do, write whatever you want to. There's no doubt a reasonable amount of anime fans that read the story and enjoy this. Likewise, there's no doubt a fair amount of fans who dislike anime the same way/amount that I do and will dislike this.
It's a matter of personal preference, but the fight hasn't set the whole story to always be like this from now on so it's okay.
Just, please. Don't think I want you to feel bad.
Again, not much I can say.
Don't feel bad, but this chapter certainly wasn't for me.
I'm glad it ended on a much more normal feeling note, however.
- Spoiler:
re turbine:
I wanted it to be a transformer instead, but I was informed that most people associate the word "transformer" not so much at all with humming sounds and much more with giant robots that turn into cars.
re AP rounds:
Hm, good point. Very sorry about missing that. Though you're not quite right: it was the Zebras who developed AP rounds after Equestria began making AM rifles.However, I think that it could possibly be explained by these being non-mass-production ammunition, expensive specialist stuff rather than rounds that are widely issued. Psalm does, after all, list them alongside dragonkiller and explosive antipersonnel rounds. I've written Somber, though.Kkat wrote:“But I knew how bad that hurt her, and how deeply personal she took it. Only made it worse that she had family in Ironshod. Whole thing just about tore her apart…” He nickered behind his helmet. “Damn thing was, the zebras came out with armor-piercing ammo a few months later anyways. Not as effective as an anti-machine rifle at taking down my fellow Rangers, but a well placed round from a rifle could punch through a Ranger’s helmet.”
…A great many people seem to find the fight scene with Vitiosus to be reminiscent of anime. Interesting.
I'm just gonna spoiler everything so I can speak freely without concern.
- Spoiler:
Ahh, good catch on the AP/AM issue. I knew something was up though I'm glad you've managed to say that I was half right half wrong.
As for the whole turbine / transformer issue - I would've understood what you meant, but I do agree there is a lot of people who probably wouldn't understand.
Really, the intended humour behind the joke IS clear to me and in a small way I do appreciate it, but after having been hanging around 4chan's /mlp/ board and sitting around in the FOE threads, I've had to look through a lot of Somber / PH bashing and the fact that he dared to give Scotch any form of consenting sexual history is a big issue for them lot.. and they managed to change my mind on the issue from neither for or against to against it. So to see it being brought up like that just... yeah.
I'm not saying it doesn't fit the story setting, how she grew up and all that... but where I previously didn't mind, it's now been tainted for me and all that.
As for the whole final fight seeming like anime, it's because it's so OVER THE FUCKING TOP THAT I HAVE TO USE CAPS TO EXPRESS WHAT I MEAN.
Grabbing a tank shell with ease, letting it explode below you as if it was nothing?
Having armour so tough that you don't feel a thing when something like a powerhoof is punching you? Instead, breaking the damned thing?
Commanding the elements just because Caesar says so?
Taking what is most likely a 50.cal HMG to the face and not giving a single fuck?
Taking a sword so sharp that it can cut through soul jar items yet not decapitate the guy, but instead have him act as if it's just a rock being thrown at him?
That is exactly the shit you see in anime fights. Over the top to the point where if you're anywhere even close to being 10 on the dial, you're too far low down.
- Spoiler:
- Do you think that my explanation for it works? I haven't heard back from anyone else on the team yet, but if this is good enough... I did have the idea that we might change it to say "armor penetrating" or something, to help reinforce that it isn't the same thing.
Huh. I know that I'm probably the weird one here, but it seems the reverse.
Oh horrors. Someone had pleasurable, consensual (at least on their end, but... 99) sex in a reasonably safe and stable environment. Clearly this is one of the greatest evils of the FoE world.
(Oh, uh, sorry if the sarcasm is offensive or anything, but fussing about this seems pretty ridiculous to me.)
I guess that I just don't watch enough of the right (wrong?) sort of anime. I don't really watch that much at all, now that I think about it. I do think that you misread one bit, though: the sword did hurt him. It sliced his head off. It's just that he got better.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Retl Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:23 pm
Chapter 54 is definitely going with chapters 4, 9, and 52 as one of my top 4 favorites.
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- Admittedly, I tuned out a bit during Blackjack's dream segment. I've never been big into the Marauders or Goldenblood, (though I have grown kinda fond of Echo. He reminds me a bit of Xellos, and I like him in the same way). I do like seeing how the cast reacts to BJ's constant discoveries, though.
Every single thing in the chapter leading up to the dream's start? Loved it. Bit of adventure after the dream? Enjoyed it. Forcing Blackjack to pull the trigger? It hurt to read, but in a good way. The moment felt like a necessary point to show to the listener that Blackjack still struggles and hesitates to slaughter, but that won't keep caving to an apology.
(Kinda wondering how she'd respond to Rose and Thorn now, had things gone differently in the manor.)
Oh, and the dramatic over the top wild combat at the end with the-guy-who's-name-I've-yet-to-remember? Loved it too, and not for my affinity for goofy humor Kept me excited and entertained. I'm happy.
(I almost didn't realize there was a new chapter this week, though.)
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by O. Hinds Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:29 pm
Retl wrote:
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- "Legate" Vitiosus (quotes because I dispute his claim to the title)
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Quotidian Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:33 pm
Comments! Posted without much editing, so forgive any mistakes on my part.
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- "Turbine" discussion: P-21 is best pony and has best reactions to girl talk. Also, a bit more than I wanted to think about in regards to estrus. I'm pretty uncomfortable with Scotch having a sex life, but it does make sense given her upbringing. Still, squick.
Wait, I thought Glory prefered mares? Also, some interesting ideas about conditioning vs natural sexuality. That kind of makes me a bit uncomfortable. I don't think sexual orientation is something you can have forced into you. I know people try, and I know it messes a lot of people up. Just take a look at Exodus International or all those other "pray away the gay groups".
"MEGA DEUS" is best tank.
"Quitting leaves her with nothing." P-21 really IS a smart pony. The lack of Med-X is really showing that nicely. He's got Dawn's number.
Some of the comments on PH I've seen in other places have suggested that Somber's taking too much of Kkat's work over in his fic. That Goldenblood orchestrating everything from behind the scenes sort of ruins the whole vibe of the original, and Psalm killing Pinkie Pie... Well, I'll be honest, I don't know what to think about it. I liked the original, and it does feel a little contrived that Somber's characters are really behind everything, but at the same time, I like PH a lot too, and I can't fault Somber for wanting to weave his creation in with the original.
The memory narrative gets a bit confusing, juggling Psalm's perspective with Blackjack's. If there's a way to clarify who's thinking what, that might be good.
Psalm ignoring the zebra choking her to death and casually using her sidearm to kill it without looking? Bad. Ass. I'm not really a fan of Psalm, but seeing her pull stuff like that really makes me believe she could turn from highly competent Maurader to the death machine we've seen in other flashbacks.
I had already gathered that Psalm killed Big Mac, but to see exactly how she did it really chewed me up. It wasn't some big conspiracy with the OIA, or Goldenblood. It was just Psalm doing what she thought needed to be done, which is infinitely better than a drawn out plot. Well done.
"...nothing more than a gang of drugged out fiends infesting the ruins..." Gee, not like we saw any of those in New Vegas, did we?
"It’s said that ponies could only find it with the express permission of the Princess or her top generals." I don't suppose that's where Stigy and the other bat ponies are from?
Is it just me, or is the scene with the bandits on the bridge very reminscent of another scene right outside of a place called Lothering?
Also, wow. What the hell is P-21's perception score? Is there a bundle of explosives in the wasteland he CAN'T find?
Lacunae killing that buck so BJ didn't have to. That's what she does, right? The stuff that other ponies won't?
"The Marauders had broken apart. Dawn’s companions had too. Maybe friendship itself was a contrived convenience so we wouldn’t feel so lonely and vulnerable. Were we even friends?" Welp, now I has a sad. One of the great things about a fun little show like FIM is that it doesn't ask those kinds of questions. Of course Friendship is magic! It's the most powerful force in the universe! It's certainly not a bunch of people stuck on a mudball in space desperately clinging to each other in the short time they have together!
"Beyond was a hallway with an icon of four stars on the wall over the acronym N.E.S.T." This makes me think of the abandoned plans for Van Buren. B.O.M.B.001? The orbital nuclear strike weapon?
And the last statuette. Wait, don't all six provide a boost to Luck as well? Does that mean Blackjack has 10 luck now? Mother of God. (I just saw the quest perk at the end. Let's hope BJ doesn't end up in a casino any time soon...)
“Well, is this the point of your sudden yet inevitable betrayal?” Aaaaand Firefly reference. I think I'm all set on the shout outs now.
"You were unable to slay my treacherous mate..." Sekashi, then?
Okay, the Legate is a badass. I mean, catching a fucking tank shell? What the shit? I'm thinking he might be the "foolish zebra" that Sekashi mentioned in that story so long ago.
Father? Oh, that makes sense, I guess.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Kippershy Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:34 pm
O. Hinds wrote:Kippershy wrote:O. Hinds wrote:Kippershy wrote:Somber... if you're going to read this, don't feel bad.
If you don't read this, I really don't blame you.
If you do read this, please don't hate me.
Even more so, please don't hate yourself or your work.
I'm not trying to make you feel bad or upset you... but I've got to be honest. This is the first time I've felt like this towards a chapter in such strength. I mean, sure, there's been moments here and there but never has it been like this.
Still, that's just me and my opinion. Don't let it get to you.
...here goes.
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Boo catching things in her mouth? Simply adorable.
"Surface shouldn't have anything even close to that firepower".. well, my take on things varies to yours a lot.
"There's a mare he wouldn't try and fuck"... and that's because you ARE the mare he went ahead and fucked.
...Sort've.
...I have no words to say on the 'turbine' things. Being around the people on /mlp/ has given me a sour note on this topic.
It would've been funny to me before, but yeah... sorry.
Does Blackjack not realise that being accostomed to something makes it mundane and boring - where-as if something is rare it's considered exotic and thus interesting?
It's why she finds fliers so attractive. Silly mare.
Also, tempting Glory into sleeping with a buck -is- something Blackjack would do but I'm worried if she pushes too hard it'd only insult Glory by saying "yeah, sleep around why not" when she has a totally different upbringing which hates that.
>I didn't love her
Get out.
Canon breaaaaaaaaaaaaak!
Psalm has AP rounds at the time of the Big Macintosh death /attempted Celestia assassination. However, AP rounds were brought about in an attempt by the ponies to take down Zebra robots and were fiercely fought against by Applejack because they were capable of hitting through the Steel Ranger armour she'd invented because of the death of BM.
Unless I'm mistaken, AP rounds weren't supposed to be around until at the very least - after BM died.
Now, I know this is PH and PH doesn't need to keep to everything the original set up, but I still wanted to point that out.
I'm NOT trying to upset you, you don't fail as an author for it or anything else - I only bring it up because you've gone for so long not trying to break canon even if it meant changing what you wanted in such a way that it wouldn't really break from the final outcome of the main fic... so maybe it's just me being an ass, but I'm not trying to be.
Whatever you do though, don't feel you have to change such a small thing just because I point out that I think it doesn't match up. It's really not that big of a deal.
Chaos at the meeting? Well, I suppose that it was never handled with any more detail than "and then BM died" so I'll hand you that, there's got to be some kind've reason why things went to shit and he'd be dead.
Still feels a bit weird to read though.
The fact that Cheddar died in such a way is quite powerful though, in a good way. Reminds me of something else, not PH though.
Interesting dream sequence. I liked the combat in it, gave a real tense feeling. Also, the "from over the hills" scene with the Shadowbolts was fuckin' amazing. Though, who DOESN'T love a 'from over the hills' sequence?
(Forgive me if that's not the proper name for the trope, but that's my personal connotation for it.)
AANNNNND just like that, juuust like that, you annoy me.
I'm so glad I wrote what I wrote into chapter three of my own story. At least I can pretend that one of Blackjacks rapists got what they deserved.
I'm not saying that this isn't in-character for Blackjack, I'm saying that it annoys me how every protagonist seems to be so damn white knight as to not be willing to do what it'd fucking take to cleanse the wasteland. No, instead, they simply push the problem away because they don't want to deal with it themselves.
It's what Blackjack would do, but if it was me behind the wheel - well, I already have my story and I make my point very clear in it.
Wait, was that Blackjack who shot or somepony else? Or perhaps, Psalm taking control of Blackjack for that split moment?
If it was Psalm taking control for a moment, my annoyance is relieved. Still leaving my little rant there though, in strike-out.
Okay, reading on, it came from Blackjack but I'm still open to the possibility that it was Psalm taking control of her trigger ability for a moment there.
SO, it was Lacunae. I like that. Lacunae doing what was necessary.
I'm still frustrated that Blackjack is a little bitch about it all, but I'm just ranting because I can at this point.
So, again, I'm gonna speak out of context of the story here.
Please don't feel that you've failed just because I'm expressing negative reactions here. I'm not triyng to upset you, I'm not trying to hurt you. I'm not trying to say Project Horizons is terrible and you should feel terrible.
I'm saying that for once, I'm expressing my dislike towards certain parts of a chapter and yes that may be quite often brought up in my points, but that's not to say the chapter as a whole is bad. It's not. It's not a chapter I don't find entertaining either, I do find it entertaining.
It's just got things that annoy me and I don't want to feed you sunshine and dasies and tell you it's absolutely perfect without any flaws because for me, it isn't.
That doesn't mean I want you to feel bad though. It's just one of those things.
Boo being an advanced early warning detection system is... interesting. I like it. It plays well into how she managed to survive so long in Hypocratic.
Interesting fight scene with the dogs so far. Just got up to the bit where Boo calms down because they're downwind and yadda yadda yadda. It's been a better fight scene than usual thus far, though it definitely helps that Blackjack is up against opponents that actually pose a major threat and make her feel weak again.
Deathclaws always were somewhat a threat in NV (and to a lesser extent, FO3), even at max level. So yeah, glad to see they've been handled pretty well.
So, cyberific zebras, huh? I know you've included the idea of this into the history of the war, though to know there's fresh corpses which have been cybernetically enhanced is interesting.
Seems a little dues ex with how Boo was saved from that strike, but I'll accept that on account of it being Boo. Just hope that it doesn't happen with every single time she ever has any harm possibly directed at her.
I'm not sure what to think at this point... I'll have to talk to CamoBadger, but I think...
I think Blackjack just pulled a move even more stupid than...
(This is in reference to warning everypony around that they've got five minutes, and not something closer to say, two minutes.)
And so, Blackjack finally completes the set. I like that she found it somewhere only Rainbow herself would be able to reach, especially at the fact that it's where she does her planning for missions and would want to think smart and not rush through simply assuming her first plan would work without fail.
Nope, sorry. Not a fan of the LOTR reference in the slightest.
If this had been more contextually similar, sure. Go for it.
Trying to fly off a roof in open space though? Doesn't fit with me.
If it had been a hallway, if it had been a gate or trying to get through an opening in the wall/ceiling, sure - it would've worked well.
Sorry to be such a downer this time around, but that reference doesn't dig with me and I just wanted to say so.
So, climatic battle going on. Luck that the hounds would stop, even with the mention of Gnarr. Not that it's a bad thing, I'm just thinking during the heat of battle and the momentum of aggression, it's a damn fine bit of luck for Blackjack that they would pause long enough to spare her.
Sooooo... super badass zebra leader. Beginning the fight scene now.
And now with that red glow, I'm certain my theory that he's cybernetically enhanced are 95% probably true with only a 5% chance of me being wrong.
...And now he's commanding the elements? Sorry, I really, really hope you don't read this and think that you've failed horribly or that the whole chapter is worthless, but I'm not enjoying this myself.
I mean, yes I enjoy the fact that Blackjack is having to fight a "fair" fight (as in, having an opponent who pushes her limits and goes beyond that) but it still feels... odd. I'm not a fan of anime though, so it could be that.
Anime anime anime...
Oh look, more anime... (sorry, but I'm -really- not a fan of anime and this fight scene reeks of it.)
Having your gun torn in two, face ripped apart and if I read right, eye torn out yet still moving freely?
You're going to hate me, I'm sorry Somber.
Anime.
I mean, I like that Blackjack finally lost a fight without having to die for losing it - but it just... again, I'm not a fan of anime and so this part of the chapter has just been torture for me because when I say I don't like anime, I mean I really hate how anime gets so cheesy but because I don't have it forced upon me, I don't worry about it.
Now however, it feels like a part of the story and because I love the rest of the story so much, it isn't enough to throw me off completely. However, this specific part of the chapter has been completely against my taste and while I could just stay quiet about it and let you enjoy writing what you want to - I feel I still have the right to say about it.
Don't stop doing what you want to do, write whatever you want to. There's no doubt a reasonable amount of anime fans that read the story and enjoy this. Likewise, there's no doubt a fair amount of fans who dislike anime the same way/amount that I do and will dislike this.
It's a matter of personal preference, but the fight hasn't set the whole story to always be like this from now on so it's okay.
Just, please. Don't think I want you to feel bad.
Again, not much I can say.
Don't feel bad, but this chapter certainly wasn't for me.
I'm glad it ended on a much more normal feeling note, however.
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re turbine:
I wanted it to be a transformer instead, but I was informed that most people associate the word "transformer" not so much at all with humming sounds and much more with giant robots that turn into cars.
re AP rounds:
Hm, good point. Very sorry about missing that. Though you're not quite right: it was the Zebras who developed AP rounds after Equestria began making AM rifles.However, I think that it could possibly be explained by these being non-mass-production ammunition, expensive specialist stuff rather than rounds that are widely issued. Psalm does, after all, list them alongside dragonkiller and explosive antipersonnel rounds. I've written Somber, though.Kkat wrote:“But I knew how bad that hurt her, and how deeply personal she took it. Only made it worse that she had family in Ironshod. Whole thing just about tore her apart…” He nickered behind his helmet. “Damn thing was, the zebras came out with armor-piercing ammo a few months later anyways. Not as effective as an anti-machine rifle at taking down my fellow Rangers, but a well placed round from a rifle could punch through a Ranger’s helmet.”
…A great many people seem to find the fight scene with Vitiosus to be reminiscent of anime. Interesting.
I'm just gonna spoiler everything so I can speak freely without concern.
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Ahh, good catch on the AP/AM issue. I knew something was up though I'm glad you've managed to say that I was half right half wrong.
As for the whole turbine / transformer issue - I would've understood what you meant, but I do agree there is a lot of people who probably wouldn't understand.
Really, the intended humour behind the joke IS clear to me and in a small way I do appreciate it, but after having been hanging around 4chan's /mlp/ board and sitting around in the FOE threads, I've had to look through a lot of Somber / PH bashing and the fact that he dared to give Scotch any form of consenting sexual history is a big issue for them lot.. and they managed to change my mind on the issue from neither for or against to against it. So to see it being brought up like that just... yeah.
I'm not saying it doesn't fit the story setting, how she grew up and all that... but where I previously didn't mind, it's now been tainted for me and all that.
As for the whole final fight seeming like anime, it's because it's so OVER THE FUCKING TOP THAT I HAVE TO USE CAPS TO EXPRESS WHAT I MEAN.
Grabbing a tank shell with ease, letting it explode below you as if it was nothing?
Having armour so tough that you don't feel a thing when something like a powerhoof is punching you? Instead, breaking the damned thing?
Commanding the elements just because Caesar says so?
Taking what is most likely a 50.cal HMG to the face and not giving a single fuck?
Taking a sword so sharp that it can cut through soul jar items yet not decapitate the guy, but instead have him act as if it's just a rock being thrown at him?
That is exactly the shit you see in anime fights. Over the top to the point where if you're anywhere even close to being 10 on the dial, you're too far low down.
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Huh. I know that I'm probably the weird one here, but it seems the reverse.
Oh horrors. Someone had pleasurable, consensual (at least on their end, but... 99) sex in a reasonably safe and stable environment. Clearly this is one of the greatest evils of the FoE world.
(Oh, uh, sorry if the sarcasm is offensive or anything, but fussing about this seems pretty ridiculous to me.)
I guess that I just don't watch enough of the right (wrong?) sort of anime. I don't really watch that much at all, now that I think about it. I do think that you misread one bit, though: the sword did hurt him. It sliced his head off. It's just that he got better.
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So, the sword sliced his head off.. and then he got better.
Yeah, that's exactly the kind've stuff that I mean right there.
That goes beyond anything Project Horizons has ever really done before and just goes to retardedly anime-esque, in my opinion. Probably only bad ones do it that much, but it's still the fact that only in anime could someone have this happen with that outcome.
If you mean the transformer thing with the seeing it in reverse point, it's because you're a tech engineer college/uni student, right? You're trained to think of things in a mechanical / technical way because of your studies (or at the very least, you have a strong interest in that stuff, as expressed by your trains thing.)
Most people don't see it the same way as you. They hear transformer and think to the cartoon from their childhood or the Michael Bay films.
Up, the AP stuff is a good idea. Piercing implies with ease, penetrating makes it seem like it has some trouble but still manages to do it if you've got the right situation going.
So yeah, definitely agree with your point there.
As for Scotch, it's just her age really. EVERY character is getting sexualised - kids included.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Retl Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:35 pm
O. Hinds wrote:Retl wrote:
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- Vitiosus. Kinda looking forward to the Legate's return. Assuming he doesn't get an incidental anticlimatic 'off-screen' death revealed just in time for something worse to show up.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Icy Shake Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:41 pm
O. Hinds wrote:
Ah, thank you. I've not capitalized "moon", though; "Moon" would be appropriate only in the particular case where a culture uses that as the name, while "moon" is generally correct.
I didn't even notice the first instance in the sentence; I was just referring to the second one, which was part of "Nightmare Moon"--I think the broken formatting didn't help there, so I'm sorry about that again.
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- I get where you are coming from regarding the final fight. I really do, and I'm not the largest fan of the over-the-top-ness in it. But I understand why it's there. It could have been toned down (say, without the tank round part, or the failed decapitation [on that note, based on my reading I wonder if he's had soul magic of some sort performed on him]), but at this point the power creep has been so substantial that mere action-movie level feats seem like they should be a challenge for Blackjack, and a very real threat to one or more of her friends, but not on a level where it really seems likely she would get her ass handed to her.
On the other hand, I disagree on the Fellowship reference; I felt that it actually seemed very appropriate (the sentiment, certainly, even if it could have been expressed with other words), and that the application to a situation with so many details different added something for me. But I figure that's just another matter of preference.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Kippershy Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:41 pm
Guys, what was changed in 39?
/mlp/ just asked.
/mlp/ just asked.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Kippershy Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:47 pm
Icy Shake wrote:O. Hinds wrote:
Ah, thank you. I've not capitalized "moon", though; "Moon" would be appropriate only in the particular case where a culture uses that as the name, while "moon" is generally correct.
I didn't even notice the first instance in the sentence; I was just referring to the second one, which was part of "Nightmare Moon"--I think the broken formatting didn't help there, so I'm sorry about that again.
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On the other hand, I disagree on the Fellowship reference; I felt that it actually seemed very appropriate (the sentiment, certainly, even if it could have been expressed with other words), and that the application to a situation with so many details different added something for me. But I figure that's just another matter of preference.
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- Glad I'm not the only one who thought it was a bit OTT.
If it hadn't been for the tank shell and failed decapitation, it wouldn't have been half as bad. Controlling the elements irks me a lot, but I'd be able to let that slide if it was the only thing.
His armour being tough as all fuck and him in general being tough as all fuck would be acceptable.
If he had dodged the 50cal HMG rounds instead of taken them like a pro, it would have been acceptable.
If he was simply extremely strong, resilient, fast and capable of keeping it all going, I could have loved the fight.
Instead, we get an opponent who throws every god damn logical rule out of the fucking train window as you're going 200km/h and says FUCK YOU to Blackjack in an attempt to be an opponent worth her time.
Somber could have handled him a lot better, a hell of a lot better. Instead, he activated godmode cheats and basically made Rampage 2.0
I know she has to deal with an opponent tougher than her and I want her to, but this felt cheap.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Sindri Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:01 pm
Eenope. The timeline is a touch screwy, but Applejack specifically said that it was one of their bullets that killed Mac. The Anti-Machine rifles were built afterwards, and had better penetration than any specialized ammunition could achieve, but the bullets were there. Besides, this was established back when BJ first found Folly, in Trottenheimer's weapons lab. In fact I believe the zebras had AP round production of their own.Kippershy wrote:Canon breaaaaaaaaaaaaak!
Psalm has AP rounds at the time of the Big Macintosh death /attempted Celestia assassination. However, AP rounds were brought about in an attempt by the ponies to take down Zebra robots and were fiercely fought against by Applejack because they were capable of hitting through the Steel Ranger armour she'd invented because of the death of BM.[/spoiler]
Wuxia maybe. Definitely high fantasy. But this kind of trope is actually more common in live-action movies and in books, particularly in the west. The vast majority of anime has nothing like this; it's basically just a small fraction of shonen. Not saying you're wrong for disliking high-flying combat with elemental powers added in, but it's not an anime thing. It's a comic book thing, it's an action movie thing, it's a high fantasy novel thing, it's a shonen thing, but the majority of anime doesn't even have combat in it and what does tends toward sci-fi or wire-fu instead of outright magic.Anime anime anime...
And personally I'm not sure it counts as over the top. The top has moved. Vitiosus is more powerful than Blackjack's current party, which means that he can by necessity go toe-to-tread with the two most powerful war machines on the surface of Equestria simultaneously with a literally unkillable filly on the side. This is the kind of heroic figure who takes down a dragon because he needs a new suit. It would be painfully unrealistic and mandate cries of plot armor if he didn't display that kind of power.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Quotidian Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:01 pm
I just dropped in on the FoE thread on /mlp/. I immediately regretted that decision. There was a little bit of cogent criticisms and a lot of people hating on Project Horizons. Also a lot of "lol an hero" jokes in regards to Somber.
I'm left wondering both why anyone would continue to read something they hate, and why /mlp/ in general has a massively high asshole content.
I'm left wondering both why anyone would continue to read something they hate, and why /mlp/ in general has a massively high asshole content.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Sindri Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:03 pm
It's 4chan. It's the pony flavor, but it's still 4chan.Quotidian wrote:I'm left wondering both why anyone would continue to read something they hate, and why /mlp/ in general has a massively high asshole content.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Guest Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:04 pm
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Well, since Deus does have two machine guns. It is entirely possible that the guns were 7.62x51mm, so something like an M240 Bravo. So, the dragon bones might be able to protect against that.(Unless it's been clearly stated it's a .50)
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by O. Hinds Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:13 pm
Oh, sorry; I've put this on a list.Icy Shake wrote:O. Hinds wrote:
Ah, thank you. I've not capitalized "moon", though; "Moon" would be appropriate only in the particular case where a culture uses that as the name, while "moon" is generally correct.
I didn't even notice the first instance in the sentence; I was just referring to the second one, which was part of "Nightmare Moon"--I think the broken formatting didn't help there, so I'm sorry about that again.
Now? Why? Let's see... Ah, yes, Somber made some modifications to the Ulta-Sentinel chase at the end.Kippershy wrote:Guys, what was changed in 39?
/mlp/ just asked.
...Quote please? Because if that's true, then Kkat contradicted herself; as I quoted, FoE also says that AP ammunition wasn't developed until over a year after Big Macintosh's death. Also, what do you mean "believe the zebras had AP round production of their own"?Sindri wrote:Eenope. The timeline is a touch screwy, but Applejack specifically said that it was one of their bullets that killed Mac. The Anti-Machine rifles were built afterwards, and had better penetration than any specialized ammunition could achieve, but the bullets were there. Besides, this was established back when BJ first found Folly, in Trottenheimer's weapons lab. In fact I believe the zebras had AP round production of their own.Kippershy wrote:Canon breaaaaaaaaaaaaak!
Psalm has AP rounds at the time of the Big Macintosh death /attempted Celestia assassination. However, AP rounds were brought about in an attempt by the ponies to take down Zebra robots and were fiercely fought against by Applejack because they were capable of hitting through the Steel Ranger armour she'd invented because of the death of BM.[/spoiler]
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Ketchup Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:16 pm
I remember Applejack saying that it was an Equestrian AP round that killed Mac.O. Hinds wrote:snipSindri wrote:snipKippershy wrote:Canon breaaaaaaaaaaaaak!
Psalm has AP rounds at the time of the Big Macintosh death /attempted Celestia assassination. However, AP rounds were brought about in an attempt by the ponies to take down Zebra robots and were fiercely fought against by Applejack because they were capable of hitting through the Steel Ranger armour she'd invented because of the death of BM.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Kippershy Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:20 pm
O. Hinds wrote:Now? Why? Let's see... Ah, yes, Somber made some modifications to the Ulta-Sentinel chase at the end.Kippershy wrote:Guys, what was changed in 39?
/mlp/ just asked.
Thank you very much. That's strange though, didn't he only change that recently? Why again? huh.
Still, thanks for finding out for me. I was just told that the chapter was edited today or yesterday and they wanted to know if it was a retcon to allow for this chapter or what.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Kippershy Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:21 pm
You are definitely right in this, now you say it I clearly remember the same myself. That's exactly why she was even more overcome with pain and anger than she would've otherwise been (not that it would've been a "oh well who cares" either way) and it's also why Trottenheimers Folly Project was cancelled and retconned.Ketchup wrote:I remember Applejack saying that it was an Equestrian AP round that killed Mac.O. Hinds wrote:snipSindri wrote:snipKippershy wrote:Canon breaaaaaaaaaaaaak!
Psalm has AP rounds at the time of the Big Macintosh death /attempted Celestia assassination. However, AP rounds were brought about in an attempt by the ponies to take down Zebra robots and were fiercely fought against by Applejack because they were capable of hitting through the Steel Ranger armour she'd invented because of the death of BM.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Sindri Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:23 pm
O. Hinds wrote:...Quote please? Because if that's true, then Kkat contradicted herself; as I quoted, FoE also says that AP ammunition wasn't developed until over a year after Big Macintosh's death. Also, what do you mean "believe the zebras had AP round production of their own"?
Okay, good, I actually remember that instead of just making it up. I don't have time to dig through 45 chapters for it at the moment (maybe somebody with the whole thing in one document could do that bit?) but I clearly remember it being said.Ketchup wrote:I remember Applejack saying that it was an Equestrian AP round that killed Mac.
The sequence of events surrounding AP rounds, AM rifles, power armor, and Big Macintosh was always a screwy part of the original FoE timeline, probably due to Kkat's tenancy to just write instead of planning things in advance or plotting out a timeline. The zebras were said to develop AP rounds after the AM rifle was invented. AJ freaked out over the AM rifle because it could go through power armor. Power armor was developed because it would have saved Big Macintosh. Big Macintosh was killed with an AP round. It goes in circles to some extent, and the best way to reconcile what Kkat said about it is that Equestria had developed AP rounds years before the zebras did, and that power armor can stop a normal armor-piercing round from a normal rifle, at least if it isn't to the head.
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by Stringtheory Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:33 pm
or that AP rounds were just extremely rare, and only given to specialists, like Psalm, until after this pointSindri wrote:and the best way to reconcile what Kkat said about it is that Equestria had developed AP rounds years before the zebras did, and that power armor can stop a normal armor-piercing round from a normal rifle, at least if it isn't to the head.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Sindri Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:36 pm
Well, except that it was said (or at least strongly implied) that Big Macintosh would have survived his fatal wound if he had been wearing power armor. Applejack was driven to develop the armor specifically by his death.stringtheory wrote:or that AP rounds were just extremely rare, and only given to specialists, like Psalm, until after this pointSindri wrote:and the best way to reconcile what Kkat said about it is that Equestria had developed AP rounds years before the zebras did, and that power armor can stop a normal armor-piercing round from a normal rifle, at least if it isn't to the head.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Ketchup Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:40 pm
...But was then disturbed by the development of AP rounds that could penetrate powered armor. It's pretty foggy, maybe there are two types of AP rounds?Sindri wrote:Well, except that it was said (or at least strongly implied) that Big Macintosh would have survived his fatal wound if he had been wearing power armor. Applejack was driven to develop the armor specifically by his death.stringtheory wrote:or that AP rounds were just extremely rare, and only given to specialists, like Psalm, until after this pointSindri wrote:and the best way to reconcile what Kkat said about it is that Equestria had developed AP rounds years before the zebras did, and that power armor can stop a normal armor-piercing round from a normal rifle, at least if it isn't to the head.
Aside from that, .50 will penetrate most personal armor, regardless of bullet variety.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by O. Hinds Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:41 pm
You mean this?Kippershy wrote:You are definitely right in this, now you say it I clearly remember the same myself. That's exactly why she was even more overcome with pain and anger than she would've otherwise been (not that it would've been a "oh well who cares" either way) and it's also why Trottenheimers Folly Project was cancelled and retconned.Ketchup wrote:I remember Applejack saying that it was an Equestrian AP round that killed Mac.O. Hinds wrote:snipSindri wrote:snipKippershy wrote:Canon breaaaaaaaaaaaaak!
Psalm has AP rounds at the time of the Big Macintosh death /attempted Celestia assassination. However, AP rounds were brought about in an attempt by the ponies to take down Zebra robots and were fiercely fought against by Applejack because they were capable of hitting through the Steel Ranger armour she'd invented because of the death of BM.
The point of that was that it wasn't (or at least Applejack took it not to be) that the bullet was particularly good, it was that the armor wasn't good enough. Hence the Steel Rangers.Kkat wrote:“When that zebra bullet punched through muh brother’s armor an’ pierced his heart, it broke muh heart too.” I could see Applejack’s eyes start to tear. Her voice trembled, but she pressed on. The room was now dead silent except for her.
That's more or less my proposed resolution to the confusing wording in the chapter.stringtheory wrote:or that AP rounds were just extremely rare, and only given to specialists, like Psalm, until after this pointSindri wrote:and the best way to reconcile what Kkat said about it is that Equestria had developed AP rounds years before the zebras did, and that power armor can stop a normal armor-piercing round from a normal rifle, at least if it isn't to the head.
Chapter 39 was last edited on November 21st of last year, according to Gdocs. I'm thinking that perhaps these people are not very good sources of information.Kippershy wrote:O. Hinds wrote:Now? Why? Let's see... Ah, yes, Somber made some modifications to the Ulta-Sentinel chase at the end.Kippershy wrote:Guys, what was changed in 39?
/mlp/ just asked.
Thank you very much. That's strange though, didn't he only change that recently? Why again? huh.
Still, thanks for finding out for me. I was just told that the chapter was edited today or yesterday and they wanted to know if it was a retcon to allow for this chapter or what.
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