Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

[Ketchup]

I don't recall Bonbon at all, myself.

[Exodus Hero]

Honestly, why do so many people seem to think that that fics have to constantly reinvent themselves to take into account every last bit of new show canon that we get? No, really, why? I don't get it, and it really annoys me.

You may as well ask why every named background pony had to have some significant place in the war. Why Blueblood survived the radiation that killed hundreds of others in the mansion. Why Blackjack found Octavia's old place, and why it was her that Rarity chose for her soul-cutting experiment and not some other washed-up musician. Half of the fun here is fitting in the characters we know so well into a foreign narrative like little puzzle pieces. When another chunk of lore comes out, we scramble to fit all the new pieces into the puzzle. Not because we need them to fit... more because it is fun to fit them in.
Sometimes people can go overboard... bend over backwards to fit something. But as long as you don't force anything, what's the harm?

None, but I've gotten the impression that it often is forced. I suppose that that could be based on a combination of bad experiences and high standards, though.

I'll say this much, it could be an interesting plot tool to use for Discord in the story. Lets say for the sake of argument that Somber decides he wants to incorporate the new episode into the PH story line. It would be easy to say that Discord was able to manipulate the minds of every pony in order to further an unknown cause, which would explain why Twilight or Golden Blood don't talk about the current episode's events. Further more, it could amplify his malevolence of his and make interesting plot twist if Discord were ever to come back. Lots of potential and no need to retcon anything from the previous chapters. Food for thought.

[Derpmind]

I'll say this much, it could be an interesting plot tool to use for Discord in the story. Lets say for the sake of argument that Somber decides he wants to incorporate the new episode into the PH story line. It would be easy to say that Discord was able to manipulate the minds of every pony in order to further an unknown cause, which would explain why Twilight or Golden Blood don't talk about the current episode's events. Further more, it could amplify his malevolence of his and make interesting plot twist if Discord were ever to come back. Lots of potential and no need to retcon anything from the previous chapters. Food for thought.

The real problem is that Somber would have to retcon away all the bad writing in the episode. I enjoyed the episode, but that's in spite of everything the writer did. Just thinking about the writing in that episode curls my thoughts in bad directions. It's like listening to someone scratch a blackboard, only the claws are made of narrative stupidity and the blackboard's our beloved show.

[Icy Shake]

But even getting fused to a bench is a deliberate callout- a specific reference to Lyra instead of an unfortunate nameless who was frozen in a position more standard. It's integrating the show. Not as drastic as adapting canon, but it's the same driving force. "Let's fit this in."

Sure, both might be motivated by the same instincts, but the two are categorically different things, particularly where new information is concerned. Incorporating, say, Shining Armor would require rethinking Twilight, her mother, the fate of Canterlot, et cetera; using the second Trixie episode would pretty much contradict established Fo:E canon regarding her interactions with Twilight. Incorporating the Flim Flam Brothers required . . . absolutely nothing. There was never indication that they ever did, or did not, have an impact on events prior to their inclusion in PH.

I'm sure that nobody has said anything against using new things in the show in general. That would be kind of dumb, considering this is fan fiction we're talking about. But many have pointed out the importance of selectivity, and at least one or two have argued for the primacy of Fo:E canon over FiM canon after some point in Season Two.

[O. Hinds]

Incorporating, say, Shining Armor would require rethinking Twilight, her mother, the fate of Canterlot, et cetera

Aye; this is one of the parts of PH that I try very hard to ignore.

But many have pointed out the importance of selectivity, and at least one or two have argued for the primacy of Fo:E canon over FiM canon after some point in Season Two.

Definitely in that camp.

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