Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

[Luminous Lead]

Imagine a Deusboat falling on the face of Blackjack...forever.

I KNOW WHAT SHE SAW THROUGH THAT CRYSTAL DOOR NOW

Crystal Door was Room 101? I should have made that connection sooner!

[Somber]

::Sends Ryx a personal note and hug.::

Thanks everyone for your feedback. I really appreciate it. I'm really sorry I'm always so quiet and don't know what to say sometimes, but reading what works and what didn't is a huge booster for me. I think one reason why December was so crummy was that I didn't have a chance to get that feedback. There's nothing more precious to a writer.

Also... the Deus army... you have no idea how hard it was to explain to my students why I was in tears laughing today!

[Admiral Stoic Rum]

It's good you can laugh that hard guy.

[SilentCarto]

...but we don't really have motive. Lacunae has no real reason to be preparing for the Goddess' final moments.

That is... not entirely accurate.

“You mean… anything that might convince her to change her mind is being put into you?” Velvet asked softly.
“All that remains is the certainty of the correctness of her course,” Lacunae said as she looked at LittlePip. “You know she plans to force you into Unity when you uphold your end of the bargain?”
The little unicorn swallowed hard and then gave a grudging little nod. “I figured she’d do something like that.”
“And you have a plan to stop her?” Lacunae asked as I saw, for the first time, tears in my friend’s eyes. LittlePip stood there for the longest time and then gave a single jerky nod. Lacunae gave a small smile as she closed her eyes. “Good.”

...I just imagined the Pinkie swarm from Too Many Pinkie Pies, but made of little Deuses and chanting another word instead of 'fun'.

................ok

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._. wat.

Imagine a Deusboat falling on the face of Blackjack...forever.

That made me laugh a lot harder than it should have.

[Meleagridis]

What were Deus and Rampage like together in the stadium?

He's thick... but even he must have figured something was up.

[SilentCarto]

What were Deus and Rampage like together in the stadium?

He's thick... but even he must have figured something was up.

Remember that Rampage said she didn't black out much during her stint as a Reaper. It's been happening a lot more around BJ.

[O. Hinds]

I RETURN!

Once again a little late to the party. Wish there was some kind of NEW CHAPTER IS OUT!!! alarm instead of having to check that Google document every day.

Beyond the Somber Signal, what do you suggest?

Aren't you forgetting the Descendant Protocol? Or are you assuming that it won't work?

I'm not saying that it won't work so much as the program had several fall backs in case the chain of command was all killed. It'd be kind of dumb to create a program that only a small number of ponies that can over time be fired or replaced on the list and then when the end comes nobody other than a relative can use it. After all what were the chances that a relative of the mane 6 would be stationed at the base? It would also make sense why the last destination for the program is a military base, cause they would have a acting commanding officer regardless so long as some of the ponies hadn't died yet.

I mean, the instant Smiling Jack/Reaper/Echo discovers that Celestia herself is inhabiting a (nigh-indestructable) Soul-Jar Crusader Maneframe, well, EC-1101's wandering days are over. There is no self-consistent argument that includes the idea that anyone other than Celestia is worthy of EC-1101 if Celestia is available, no matter her current form.

The whole reason SJ/R/E was attached to EC-1101 in the first place was to ensure it got to the highest ranking pony still alive... and Celestia is and was and forever will be the highest ranking pony.
... on the other hand, I am an unrepentant Celestia Fanbrony... so, I may be just the slightest bit biased.

“You want to hold Luna’s corpse responsible?” I asked with a shaky, uncertain smile.  “Sure.  Go ahead.  Blame a pile of bones, if you want.”
“Not just Luna or Celestia,” he said in a low, dangerous voice.

It seems rather unlikely that Echo's reaction to Celestia being alive would be giving her EC-1101.

@WavemasterRyx:
I hope that things improve for you soon.

[Cptadder]

So much to catch up on, so much to read and a new episode today

Beyond the Somber Signal, what do you suggest?

Some sky writing, flares or a few people who update their signatures with what the current latest chapter is and when it's been released.

[Train Dodger]

After mulling over the events of Chapter 42 for a while, I composed this little number.

Spoiler:

[Ketchup]

After mulling over the events of Chapter 42 for a while, I composed this little number.

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Certainly interesting pieces. I expected them to be a bit more sad overall, but it's nice all the same.
Do the 40s represent the foals she killed?

[Train Dodger]

Do the 40s represent the foals she killed?

Yes, and if you lean your head to the left, the rolls of tape turn into 666.

[Meleagridis]

What were Deus and Rampage like together in the stadium?

He's thick... but even he must have figured something was up.

Remember that Rampage said she didn't black out much during her stint as a Reaper. It's been happening a lot more around BJ.

Hm. She may not have been Twist, but is there any possibility that Deus picked up on anything? Maybe he could have gotten a glimpse of her creepy-ass cutie mark and seen a hint of Twist's? You'd think that if Rampage ever let her guard down it would be in her quarters at the Arena. Or even something Deus picked up on without realizing it... or maybe I'm just reaching now.

...but we don't really have motive. Lacunae has no real reason to be preparing for the Goddess' final moments.

That is... not entirely accurate.

Hm. Do you think the Goddess would allow Lacunae to take precautions for her eventual demise? I had thought it would parallel Luna and winning the war, but Luna had several things that the Goddess simply shoved into Lacunae. Her (Luna's) crackdown on loss mitigation probably came from some self-doubt Trixie wouldn't tolerate.

But unlike Luna and the war, The Goddess would take such preparations personally. She hasn't shown any humility up to this point and making a failsafe would basically be an insult- insinuating the fallibility of a Goddess. Maybe she'd laugh it off- but I see her as more of a spiteful type. Probably sabotage the whole thing and meddle in Lacunae's mind like she did with Blackjack.

What if Lacunae doesn't even know what she did wrong?

(Or what if she knew she wouldn't know and made a plan based on not knowing what she knew and- nah, reaching again.)

After mulling over the events of Chapter 42 for a while, I composed this little number.

PH music!

Got a real 'creepy carnival' vibe to a lot of it. I love these instrumental pieces. And that drawing... yup, certified psycho. Neat idea.

[tylertoon2]

After mulling over the events of Chapter 42 for a while, I composed this little number.

Spoiler:

Welcome to the Forum! And you just earned a new subscriber!


So uh...

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[Valikdu]

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[OneMoreDaySK]

Something I noticed,
It seems like the phrase that I most associate with Project Horizons seems to be "Shooty Look". Kinda similar to FO:E's "Pregnant Pause".
Anyone else think something like that, or am I just crazy?

[O. Hinds]

Spoiler:

...Or we could just not include the episode in PH canon. Honestly, why do so many people seem to think that that fics have to constantly reinvent themselves to take into account every last bit of new show canon that we get? No, really, why? I don't get it, and it really annoys me.

[Stringtheory]

...Or we could just not include the episode in PH canon. Honestly, why do so many people seem to think that that fics have to constantly reinvent themselves to take into account every last bit of new show canon that we get? No, really, why? I don't get it, and it really annoys me.

I agree, especially with fanfics that run on their own background, where integrating every new detail from the show could unsettle that foundation

[CannonFodder]

...Or we could just not include the episode in PH canon. Honestly, why do so many people seem to think that that fics have to constantly reinvent themselves to take into account every last bit of new show canon that we get? No, really, why? I don't get it, and it really annoys me.

I agree on this. Constantly changing a fanfic to keep it in line with canon is a bad idea.

[Caoimhe]

Pick-and-choose canon is the best canon. I felt the recent episode felt like bad fanfiction anyway (and the writer actually is a fan with familial industry connections who wrote the outline for it when he was 15, seriously) so I have no problem pretending the events didn't happen with regards to PH.

[Ametros]

Regarding the episode:

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And like others have said, there's nothing wrong (and it's often best) to disregard canon - especially with a story that is so developed as a unique entity, and so far removed from the show anyway.

[Stringtheory]

...Or we could just not include the episode in PH canon. Honestly, why do so many people seem to think that that fics have to constantly reinvent themselves to take into account every last bit of new show canon that we get? No, really, why? I don't get it, and it really annoys me.

I agree on this. Constantly changing a fanfic to keep it in line with canon is a bad idea.

prime example: Past Sins, at least in my opinion it's a pretty good fanfic (no matter what anyone else as to say about it), though it obviously runs on season 1 canon, AND THAT'S FINE

[Caoimhe]

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[Stringtheory]

I'm all for putting this episode into the 'stuff we don't consider canon' bin for both FO:E and the general fandom (yes, that's how shitty I consider the lastest episode, but this is the wrong thread to talk about it)

[Icy Shake]

Pick-and-choose canon is the best canon. I felt the
recent episode felt like bad fanfiction anyway (and the writer actually
is a fan with familial industry connections who wrote the outline for it
when he was 15, seriously) so I have no problem pretending the events didn't happen with regards to PH.

Yeah, that's pretty much how it felt to me, too. Though at least the ponies not in focus weren't made to look like giant pricks, as has often been the case this season and last (and sometimes the ponies in focus). The premise could conceivably have worked, but it needs more setup to make sense, at the very least.

...Or we could just not include the episode in PH canon. Honestly, why do so many people seem to think that that fics have to constantly reinvent themselves to take into account every last bit of new show canon that we get? No, really, why? I don't get it, and it really annoys me.

I feel exactly the same way. In fact, I'll restate my feelings from a prior iteration of this discussion:

I'm not trying to say that no canon following some particular
cutoff, say, the release date of the afterward [of Fallout: Equestria in January 2012] at the latest, should be
integrated. Rather, my point is that that it's probably better to
consciously select what aspects are compatible and can be used to make
the story better, what works fine in the context of established FOE canon
but doesn't really do much to enable worthwhile additions, and what
parts do not work, or require overlarge contortions to make work, with Fallout: Equestria's (expanded) universe.

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[SilentCarto]

Hm. Do you think the Goddess would allow Lacunae to take precautions for her eventual demise? I had thought it would parallel Luna and winning the war, but Luna had several things that the Goddess simply shoved into Lacunae. Her (Luna's) crackdown on loss mitigation probably came from some self-doubt Trixie wouldn't tolerate.

Well... if Lac did think, "The Goddess needs to go down", and the Goddess didn't like it... what's she going to do? The whole point of Lacunae is to contain the thoughts the Goddess doesn't want. I'd bet that there are many in the Unity, even Trixie herself, who realize what terrible things they're doing. And that awareness gets shoved into Lac. If she wants to act on that, it's her own business.

...Or we could just not include the episode in PH canon. Honestly, why do so many people seem to think that that fics have to constantly reinvent themselves to take into account every last bit of new show canon that we get? No, really, why? I don't get it, and it really annoys me.

YES! This! Thank you!

[SilentCarto]

Yeah, that's pretty much how it felt to me, too. Though at least the ponies not in focus weren't made to look like giant pricks, as has often been the case this season and last (and sometimes the ponies in focus). The premise could conceivably have worked, but it needs more setup to make sense, at the very least.

Yeah... I didn't have any specific beefs with the ep, but it desperately needed another 20 minutes to...

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[OneMoreDaySK]

Ermigersh! I just realized something (Episode Spoiler):

[Icy Shake]

Ermigersh! I just realized something (Episode Spoiler):

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[tylertoon2]

I'm sorry I just like to speculate with the new cannon alright? I didn't mean that somber had to change something, Or anything like that.

[CannonFodder]

Spoiler:

Or it could drain all the evil out of a pony? Like hypothetically if you drained the urge and the high murderers get when killing someone then psychologically reforming them into a normal person is a breeze. Imagine if you could just go into a prison and drain any and all illegal urges or highs criminals get from committing a crime?

If such a thing was in real life we would abuse it to death.

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