[GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
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*head explodes from sheer 'what'? of the above statement*
- Triptych:
Well...Triptych has already made my head spin; even with the glossary, it's confusing
"Fluttershy gets replaced by a Sherman Tank" was as stupidly humorous as I thought it would be
I like stories that know they're stories and will mention things like "you read that last paragraph without taking a breath because it was Pinkie Pie talking, didn't you?"
That didn't happen in FGRBAST, but it wouldn't surprise me if some of the other stories didn't do that
...it also make me look sane by comparison
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Confused?
See, that's why I would be best Alicorn Princess. I can confuse our enemies into submission.
See, that's why I would be best Alicorn Princess. I can confuse our enemies into submission.
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I wouldn't exactly say BJ embodies Kindness either. Velvet may be a bitch, but she might be the best the wasteland can offer in that department. I think Kkat made it clear that the Elements don't demand perfection.Icy Shake wrote:Well, you probably know my opinion generally, but hey, no reason Blackjack couldn't pick up the slack on Kindness too, given my less-than-awestruck impression of how Velvet Remedy embodies the Element.SilentCarto wrote:Is Somber angling for BJ to be the Bearer of Generosity? I'm not sure I buy that, but then, I tend to think of Generosity in a very physical sense while 'giving of yourself' and that sort of thing falls more under Kindness.
Hah! But she forgot the silver sword.Icy Shake wrote:But it was Blackjack who took the Silver Spoon!SilentCarto wrote:Ooh, that's true! Though when you said "Who am I" my immediate reaction was "24601!"
I don't entirely disagree with this, but while knowing she's real is a great thing, she doesn't want to just go on forever and ever. I don't think it'll come to that, though. Learning her identity and coming to terms with it kind of wraps up her character arc. I have a feeling that any immortals in this story are going to have to die to save the world, or at least continue in a diminished form, since they're capable of containing threats that would obliterate anyone else. (Not that the mere mortals are any safer, mind you.) The best ending, I think, would be to somehow excise the phoenix talisman but leave her soul behind. Though I think it may be 200 years too late for that.JadedPony wrote:I really don't want her to die. I mean she's had one of the shittiest lives imaginable, she more than anyone else deserves a happy ending. She just needs to pull herself together. Accept all of her parts and make them a whole.
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just you watch, Rampage is probably to pilot Tom into the sun to stop Project Horizons and she'll be the real hero of Project Horizons, but, of course, everypony pins the congrats on Blackjack, making her feel miserable
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Vinylshadow wrote:just you watch, Rampage is probably to pilot Tom into the sun to stop Project Horizons and she'll be the real hero of Project Horizons, but, of course, everypony pins the congrats on Blackjack, making her feel miserable.
Oh, yes, the whining. Rover will hear it all the way from Chapel and not be able to sleep for months.
However, all things being equal, I think she, along with others will have a second chance at life once Cogjack is destroyed. In the end, Goldenblood is going to save the ponies of Equestria in spite of himself.
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That, or Rampage finds a way to 'pass on' the Talisman to the Eater of Souls...
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Or they put the soul of the eater of souls into a blank body and Rampage finally has a boyfriend.
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EoSxRampage
I ship it
I ship it
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If they could find a blank of Scotch Tape they could bind the essence of the Eater of Souls into the body of a blank flank, filly. Honestly, if I knew a necromancer who could do it that would be my plan A because then you would have the biggest, baddest, evil in Equestria that could be defeated by holding her at arms length while she flails with rage-filled impotence and swears "You will all become part of our chorus!" in a squeaky high pitched voice.
Which could be why no one lets me make plans...
Which could be why no one lets me make plans...
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Necromancer: Ha! I have the essence of the- ::collapses in a splash of liquified pony.::
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*gasp* And then the eater possesses the liquid and along with all the other liquid pony, forms one of those monstrosities Blackjack fought but super huge and takes over all of Equestria, adding to its strength until it takes over the universe as well!!
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- Don't drink that:
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At least it didn't come out the other end...
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It's the small victories that matter
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The beverage of champions...
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Add in one of....
crap, who made Blackjack's flapjacks when she was on that metal diet?
crap, who made Blackjack's flapjacks when she was on that metal diet?
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You mean cyberpony cakes? Glory made them.
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Two cyberpony cakes with flux filling in between like a moon pie.
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Fund it
Not sure what's with the rainbows though
Guess he drank some Taint
- Sexy Blackjack:
Not sure what's with the rainbows though
Guess he drank some Taint
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...would another name for Glory's plot be a Glory hole?
I'm sorry
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Vinylshadow wrote:...would another name for Glory's plot be a Glory hole?I'm sorry
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Forshame.Vinylshadow wrote:...would another name for Glory's plot be a Glory hole?I'm sorry
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Dishonorable display!
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Y'know, given we now know Peppermint is Twist's actual daughter, I wonder now what was up with Shujaa calling her a "pet" and "feral beast" back in chapter 50.
Unless that's a hint that Peppermint was a bit "Rampagey" even before she became an immortal amnesiac Reaper...
Unless that's a hint that Peppermint was a bit "Rampagey" even before she became an immortal amnesiac Reaper...
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My friend's stepdad joked like that all the time.
That's not normal?
That's not normal?
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Last wrote:My friend's stepdad joked like that all the time.
That's not normal?
Having a stepdad I can confirm that is not normal for me. The worst thing hes said to me is all of my 10+ years of knowing him was calling me gay( in a joking manner, he could care less about what I like) for liking ponies. Hope your friend didn't mind it because I would feel offended if I were called a pet, that's just degrading in my mind. Maybe some do out their but I cant even begin to see why they would do that.
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Got a big haul for Hinds and the rest of the editing team, this time. Don't be too eager to post PH up on FIMfiction just yet. There be gold in them typo mines, still, even after all the eyes that have combed relentlessly over these chapters.
- Chapter 2:
- I could leave him, I realized.
Grammar: This sentence starts with a few spaces that should be removed.
- Chapter 3:
- New Perk: Run and gun. Better accuracy with ranged weapons while moving.
Prose: This line should read: [New Perk: Run and Gun - Better accuracy with ranged weapons while moving.]
- Chapter 6:
- “I know lots of other ways to take care of you. Don't worry. You're gonna get better.”
Technical: This first line appears to be a different text color from the rest of the document; a light grayish instead of the normal black text. The first several chapters have all-black text, but in a few later chapters, the quotation at the beginning appears lighter than the rest of the text. This appears to be by design. It's not consistent, however. Some of the later chapters have it, and some don't. In fact, I think the majority don't. It might be a good idea to check over each chapter and make sure that ALL of the header and body text is black. Which is just as well, since in Chapter 8, the whole chapter's body is that header color. Note, this also applies to the quotations in the index page itself. Some of them are the lighter color, and some aren't.
- Chapter 7:
- “What?” There was no good answer to my question. I was so angry I felt like a broken Sparkle-Cola bottle.
“It wasn’t your--“
Grammar: The smart quote is facing the wrong way.I sighed. How to explain it without saying the wrong thing? “It feels like a lie. Like he’s playing up all the best parts and overlooking what really happens. Sure, I got the Society ponies to work with the Eggheads, but what about all the other stuff that happened? Would DJ Pon3 give me such high praise if he’d known what I did back in the hospital? Even playing that recording… like I’m going to take out every slaver I come across…”
Grammar: There's an extra space between "the" and "Eggheads".Footnote: Level up.
Prose: As per the previous few chapters, the "up" should be capitalized as "Up".
- Chapter 8:
- As mentioned before, the first thing I noticed was that after the header, the whole chapter has a lighter font color compared to the last seven documents. Might want to select all the text and make it black. Also, on the index page, the quotation for Chapter 8 (“ Are you sayin' my mouth is makin' promises my legs can't keep?”) has a space after the first quotation mark.
Now, without further ado:Did you hear about the bounty? What bounty? THE bounty.
Prose: All-caps emphasis should probably be replaced with italics. Unless it's Royal Canterlot Voice, which this isn't.Most of them had pathetic weapons, rusty rifles and barely mended work implements.
Grammar: The comma after "weapons" should probably be replaced with a colon or semicolon.I feigned an injured, yet dignified expression. “It’s not puny,”
Grammar: Since this is the end of this line and there is no dialogue tag, the comma at the end of the dialogue should be replaced with a period.My duffel bag with shotgun and reinforced barding rested next to her.
Grammar: Should be "with my shotgun", unless this is truncated on purpose to sound blunt. Might be a matter of style. Your call.Somepony had sewn the Crusader patch on the flank of my left side, right below the word ‘Security’.
Prose: Kinda awkward. Try "on the left flank of my barding".“Yes. The raider sample had some severe ulcerations in the pre-frontal lobes…”
Prose: Ulceration is not a 100% accurate description of what happens to a brain infected with a prion disease, and that hyphen in "pre-frontal" isn't necessary. Moreover, the correct term is frontal lobe, which contains the prefrontal cortex. Consider changing this line to: ["Yes. The raider sample had numerous lesions in the frontal lobes..."]“The front of the brain is where most of your long-term decision making happens.”
Prose: There's a missing hyphen between "decision" and "making". Also, this line is a bit vague, and it doesn't take into account the other implications of damage to this area of the brain that Glory should be well aware of, given her background. Consider elaborating on this line, rephrasing it as: ["The front of the brain is where most of your long-term decision-making and impulse control happens".]You’d probably see the same thing with Blackjack’s brain,” P-21 said; grinning at me.
Grammar: The semicolon should be replaced with a comma.The decay is progressive; likely it takes months or years for full psychological breakdown.
Grammar: The latter part of this sentence should probably be rephrased as ["The decay is progressive; likely it takes months or years for full psychological breakdown to occur."]“The Enclave reports that there’s something down here that turns all ponies into raiders, but we’ve come across plenty that aren’t. The slaver brain was perfectly healthy. No ulceration at all.”
Prose: "Ulceration" should read "lesions".While I wasn’t exactly thrilled about resting at the weather station, I knew there was food we’d left behind, and unless the robots rebuilt themselves we should safe.
Grammar [should safe] > [should be safe]Glory frowned, rubbing her chin with a wingtip. “I really don’t think it’d fit. That bore has to be a hundred and twenty two millimeters and that’s almost the width of a mare giving birth so figuring in the thickness of the barrel…” She finally caught my look. “Oh. Blackjack humor. Sorry.” She smiled sheepishly. “Yes, we will protect you from a hypothetical Deus and his hypothetical cannon.”
Comment: This line was always a real head-scratcher for me. I mean, 122mm is like a howitzer, mortar or tank main gun. Almost five inches. Even for a cyborg, there are limits to how much ammo one can carry; not just weight, but volume is also an important factor that most people forget about. The shells would simply be too large to carry very many of them, even if the weight is manageable with augmented strength. As a matter of fact, if I had to ballpark an estimate for Deus's ammo carrying capacity based on that 122mm figure, I'd say that Deus would be able to carry no more than six shells per gun, in side-mounted ammo cans. Granted, the diameter of the shell tells us only half the story. If they were short cartridges (like big grenade launcher or mortar rounds), he might have about double or triple that capacity, but their muzzle velocity would be very low, but not so low that they'd be ineffective at the point-blank range Deus likes to use them at. However, if they really were anything like 122mm Soviet howitzer shells (the weapons are described as cannons, not grenade launchers - up until this line, I had assumed they were automatic cannons, equivalent to a 25mm Bushmaster or 40mm Bofors), they'd be simply too immense to carry a large supply of them. It's difficult to appreciate just how large those rounds are without seeing them firsthand. I mean, just the projectile alone, without the powder or the case, weighs almost fifty pounds. I think I'm going to need some clarification here: is Deus really lugging around hundreds of pounds of ammunition? Just how big is he? It might be a better idea to leave the exact statistics on those guns ambiguous in-story.“Heh… it’s probably a nightmare phantasmagoria of blood and death, the way my luck’s been.” I touched the tip of my horn to the glowing orb and made the magic connection; the world faded to black...
Grammar: This semicolon should be replaced with a period and the first word in the following sentence capitalized.The unicorn mare I occupied fit so well I felt as if I myself were standing there.
...
Oh how I adored this… she adored… oh Goddesses, it was getting hard to tell where she ended and I began.
Comment: Oh wow, there was foreshadowing this early. Nice.Assassination? Suddenly I remember old Hoss’s journal entries at the flooded field farmhouse.
Prose: Should be past-tense "remembered".“His younger sisters were Applejack and Apple Bloom… but other than that, no. I don’t think so,” Glory said as she shook her head.
Grammar: Double-space at end of dialogue.Was it loneliness, now that my world had gone from a stable of a few hundred to less than a half dozen ponies, and was I desperate to connect to somepony good?
Grammar: Could be hyphenated as "half-dozen".Slowly it came to a rest behind us, and I stared at the mud-slathered turret of a two hundred year old tank.
Grammar: Can be hyphenated as "two-hundred-year-old".A ring of concrete crumbled at the top of the hill and I could make out something spray-painted on the it: Take care of… but the rest had been lost to time.
Grammar: [the it] > [it]. Also, [Take care of...] should probably be in single-quote marks, as in ['Take care of...'].P-21 rubbed his chin thoughtfully with a hoof as he looked at the wreck now laying on its muddy treads. “Think we could get it working?”
Grammar: [laying] > [lying] OR [laying] > [sitting]“You want to fix the tank? It’s a two hundred year old relic that been buried upside-down in a hill!” I said incredulously.
Grammar: Can be hyphenated as "two-hundred-year-old". Also, [that] > [that's].A dozen ponies fired pot shots at a bunker that returned fire through armored slits.
Grammar: Can be compounded as "potshots".“Got a bunch o’ them thieving Crusaders holed up in there. Ate three of our brahmin,” Assault Rifles said as he scratched his pockmarked hide with a hoof.
Comment: Wait a minute. Brahmin are sentient. What they're accusing those kids of is murder.
Meh. Typical Equestrian Wasteland.The other ponies gave a few more shots, but quickly the moved off into a clump, talking between themselves and looking back at me more and more.
Grammar: [the] > [they]“And got Scoots ate by ghoulies, Allegro,” a lackadaisical blue colt with purple mane replied.
Grammar: [with purple mane] > [with a purple mane]“Oh, those lot think we’re poachin brahmin,” Allegro said with a snort.
Grammar: Missing apostrophe on dropped G. [poachin] > [poachin']“Mutanted up.” The blue colt gave a slack grin, “Ain’t nearly so big and dumb as mud. They come out, snatch a brahmin that’s strayed, run back inta the rocks. Some breathe fire too. But Crusaders is easier than going huntin fer dragons critters.”
Grammar: Again, missing apostrophe on dropped G. Also, is the grammar on those last two words intentional, or no?The second shot fired a hoof-sized spread of the razor-sharp darts into the hole. Blood sprayed from the creature’s chest wound and mouth as the flechettes sliced through its meaty interior and into vulnerable organs. Maybe it was just luck, but the dragon mutant went down in a heap.
Prose: This is not an accurate description of what flechettes do to soft, fleshy targets in real life. Flechettes don't "slice" through anything. They poke narrow, long wound channels, like a big knitting needle. And ones loaded into shotshells have notoriously low velocity, low penetration and poor performance, keyholing into targets (that is to say, they immediately become unstable after leaving the muzzle and hit the target sideways instead of nose-on). They can barely get through a sheet of plywood in some of the tests I've seen.
Flechette shotshells are similar to other "exotic" loads like bolo rounds and Dragon's Breath incendiary shells in that they're an expensive boondoggle; if anything, they would have far inferior wounding properties compared to buckshot.
That's one thing that a lot of military science fiction authors get wrong; shotguns have horrible penetration in general, and cannot be relied upon against hard targets (even the most basic of kevlar vests rated for pistol rounds will stop shot cold, to say nothing of alien carapaces and powered exoskeletons), and yet so many authors out there have their protagonists engaging armored targets with shotguns and succeeding.
Now, explosive shotgun slugs are another story. Those things have excellent penetration, and can punch a hole the size of a quarter in half-inch-thick steel plate.
Eh, I suppose you could chalk this one up to artistic license, but still, for anyone who knows anything about firearms, this could be a little verisimilitude-breaking. Just a little. If you want, the paragraph could be revised like this:
[The second shot fired a hoof-sized spread of the finned darts into the hole. Blood sprayed from the creature’s chest wound and mouth as the flechettes tumbled through its meaty interior and shredded vulnerable organs. Maybe it was just luck, but the dragon mutant went down in a heap.]“Because I’m sick of being useless,” he replied sharply, closing his eyes, pressing his lips together. “I still don’t like firearms, but explosives take more… deliberation. It’s harder than just pulling a trigger. So I think I’m safer with them.”
Grammar: These sentences can be combined by removing the period and replacing it with a comma, and then uncapitalizing "So".The rubble shifted and rolled, and from behind it raised a gray shape even larger than the ones we’d just finished off. Climbing out of a depression, this was clearly much more dragon than mutant. The back legs had atrophied almost to nothing, but its forelimbs pulled it over the ground.
Grammar: The description seems a little truncated and the tense and grammar are awkward. Consider:
[The rubble shifted and rolled, and from behind it stirred a gray shape even larger than the ones we’d just finished off. I watched in horror as it climbed out of a depression in the floor; this was clearly much more dragon than mutant. The creature's back legs had atrophied almost to nothing, but its swollen forelimbs were more than capable of dragging its hulking mass over the ground.]
Watch out for sentences that confuse "raised" and "rose", because they're not 100% identical in their usage.I had no idea if their effect was cumulative, but it seemed to slow and disorient the beasty as P-21 raced around the edge of the room.
Typo: Can also be (and more commonly is) spelled "beastie".Trying to flick off a brass cap from a stick of dynamite from across a room while a dragon wanted to pulp me wasn’t exactly easy.
Prose: This phrasing is a little bit awkward and repetitious. Consider: "Trying to flick a brass cap off a stick of dynamite from across a room while a dragon wanted to pulp me wasn't exactly easy."Every group of dynamite I passed, my magic swept out and popped off a half dozen caps.
Prose/Grammar: In this context, "group" sounds a little too anthropomorphized and too personal; try "cluster" instead. Also, "half dozen" can be hyphenated as "half-dozen".The first attack involved a six foot piece of rebar.
Grammar: Can be hyphenated as "six-foot".I leaped into the cleared out eye socket and slammed the tip of my shotgun into the tiny bloody hole in the back of the eye cavity. Round after poisoned round deposited the toxin directly into its brain. It lifted up, clawed at the wound, then gave one last shudder and collapsed.
Prose: The wording doesn't really evoke the kind of imagery you'd expect from such a gory scene. Instead, try:
[I leaped into the hollowed-out eye socket and jammed the muzzle of my shotgun into the tiny bloody hole in the back of the eye cavity. Round after poisoned round deposited the toxin directly into its brain. It reared up, clawed at the wound, then gave one last shudder and collapsed.]
Other than that, it's good. Can't get too technical, going into detail about the optic nerve and such; Blackjack is fairly ignorant about biology and anatomical features.“Oh. Redbeard was going on about it on Paradise Radio. You can pick it up this far south,” Allegro said as he pointed at a my PipBuck.
Grammar: [at a my] > [at my]She butchered Roses’s group, smashed her horn clean off, and then gave her a five second head start before sicking the goons on her.
Typo: "Sic" and "Sick" are two very different things. This should be: [sicking] > [siccing]Then P-21 smacked the back of my head. Hard. I hissed, hugging my throbbing skull. “What you do that for?”
Grammar: Unless this is supposed to be truncated (or unless she's still reeling from the impact of P-21's hoof and hasn't yet regained her ability to form coherent sentences, heheheh), this should be something like: [What you] > [What'd you] OR [What you] > [What did you]His blue eyes narrowed, “What was miss Roses doing when you ‘butchered’ her group?”
Grammar: As a title, "miss" should be capitalized "Miss".Allegro had pulled out a box of two hundred year stale popcorn and munched it.
Grammar: Should be hyphenated as "two-hundred-year-stale".“She can be obtuse, vulgar, and obscene in one moment and then in the next she’s kind, laughing, and more noble than any pony I know. She killed children one day and saves them the next. Is it some kind of dissociative identity disorder, or can a pony actually survive being torn in two directions so severely?
Grammar: In this case, "more noble" can optionally be condensed to "nobler". However, since it occurs in dialogue, the strident wording could be considered a feature of Glory's speech patterns. Morning Glory has a slight... disfluency in her speech compared to the other characters. Enough that it seems deliberate.“Her companion is equally inscrutable. More of a realist, perhaps; it’s clear he’s dealt with far more long term psychological trauma. It seems to have helped him adapt to the realities of the Wasteland better than she or I have. His insistence on deliberate self control is remarkable, but I worry about its source. Unlike Security, he doesn’t seem fixated on some ideal self standard but instead has a deeply repressed rage kept contained. I think he’s right to not want a gun.”
Grammar: All of the words in bold should have a hyphen between them.She looked concerned, but then nodded. “All right. Good night.” She hopped on to the edge of the bridge.
Grammar: In this instance, "on to" can be compounded as "onto".The third swing brought the baton around upwards, connecting to the other unicorn’s levitating rifle and knocking it skyward. Coming out of S.A.T.S., I battered the weapon with two more swings, glad when the clip knocked free. The unicorn pulled the trigger wildly, but it merely clicked.
Prose: Again, I'd be surprised that a weapons expert like Blackjack would use the term "clip" for what is technically a magazine. A clip is like a speedloader for a revolver. It holds a bunch of rounds together so you can load them into a magazine quickly. Rifle clips are very outdated technology, mostly found on bolt-action and early self-loading military rifles. The M1 Garand was unusual in that the clip stayed in the magazine and was ejected with the last round. I, personally, have an SKS rifle that can be loaded with 10-round stripper clips, which are designed to be placed in a notch on the bolt and then removed and discarded once used to load the magazine.
Also, removing the magazine from a loaded weapon is no guarantee that it will not fire. Unless Blackjack's baton strikes caused some sort of malfunction with the trigger mechanism, it would have to be manually cycled to remove the live round from the chamber.
Luckily, this is an easy fix, as it is possible to simply suggest that the weapon sustained more internal damage than is visible from a casual inspection. Consider rewording this sentence as follows:
[The third swing brought the baton around upwards, connecting to the other unicorn’s levitating rifle and knocking it skyward. Coming out of S.A.T.S., I battered the weapon with two more swings, glad when the magazine was dislodged with a metallic crunching noise. The unicorn pulled the trigger wildly, but it merely clicked.]I ducked my front and tagged one on the face with a double hoof kick as my magic swept the baton low in front of me.
Prose: That's some odd wording, there. Try "hunkered down" or "knelt" instead of "ducked my front".“She just killed you,” Glory said quietly to the gasping unicorn. “And she just saved your life. Leave her alone now, please. She’s got better things to do than beat up farm ponies after a quick cap.”
Grammar: Isn't that supposed to be "nap"?Footnote: Level up!
New perk added: Rad resistance- You resist 20% of radiation exposure. This makes you 20% cooler!
Skill note: Melee 50.
Prose: This should read exactly as follows, capitalization and line breaks and all:
[Footnote: Level Up.
Skill Note: Melee (50)
New Perk: Rad Resistance - You resist 20% of radiation exposure. This makes you 20% cooler!]
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And that's another one down. Been so busy with work lately, but things are finally settling down a bit. Lots of optional minor style edits here; it's up to you which ones to keep and which ones to toss, but I have a feeling you're going to like most of these. I try to stay faithful to the source material without going completely overboard, but if you feel that there's anything wrong with my methods, let me know, and I'll adjust my edit suggestions accordingly.
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@dawarwolf Because he knew his stepson knew he was joking and that it didn't bother him? Pretty sure he knew it got under his mom's skin a bit, but it never came across as anything more than teasing.
I think you took that as far more agressive then it actually was.
I think you took that as far more agressive then it actually was.
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Last wrote:@dawarwolf Because he knew his stepson knew he was joking and that it didn't bother him? Pretty sure he knew it got under his mom's skin a bit, but it never came across as anything more than teasing.
I think you took that as far more agressive then it actually was.
Huh. I should of figured it would be joking, I just went immediately to some overdramatized deel between the two. Whatves, I didn't take agressive at it all, just had me confuzled. Thanks for clairfying anyways.
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Ah, thank you. And yes, sometimes it seems less like a mine and more like a rock farm. They just keep turning up…Train Dodger wrote:Got a big haul for Hinds and the rest of the editing team, this time. Don't be too eager to post PH up on FIMfiction just yet. There be gold in them typo mines, still, even after all the eyes that have combed relentlessly over these chapters.
- Chapter 2:
I could leave him, I realized.
Grammar: This sentence starts with a few spaces that should be removed.
- Chapter 3:
New Perk: Run and gun. Better accuracy with ranged weapons while moving.
Prose: This line should read: [New Perk: Run and Gun - Better accuracy with ranged weapons while moving.]
- Chapter 6:
“I know lots of other ways to take care of you. Don't worry. You're gonna get better.”
Technical: This first line appears to be a different text color from the rest of the document; a light grayish instead of the normal black text. The first several chapters have all-black text, but in a few later chapters, the quotation at the beginning appears lighter than the rest of the text. This appears to be by design. It's not consistent, however. Some of the later chapters have it, and some don't. In fact, I think the majority don't. It might be a good idea to check over each chapter and make sure that ALL of the header and body text is black. Which is just as well, since in Chapter 8, the whole chapter's body is that header color. Note, this also applies to the quotations in the index page itself. Some of them are the lighter color, and some aren't.
- Chapter 7:
“What?” There was no good answer to my question. I was so angry I felt like a broken Sparkle-Cola bottle.
“It wasn’t your--“
Grammar: The smart quote is facing the wrong way.I sighed. How to explain it without saying the wrong thing? “It feels like a lie. Like he’s playing up all the best parts and overlooking what really happens. Sure, I got the Society ponies to work with the Eggheads, but what about all the other stuff that happened? Would DJ Pon3 give me such high praise if he’d known what I did back in the hospital? Even playing that recording… like I’m going to take out every slaver I come across…”
Grammar: There's an extra space between "the" and "Eggheads".Footnote: Level up.
Prose: As per the previous few chapters, the "up" should be capitalized as "Up".
- Chapter 8:
As mentioned before, the first thing I noticed was that after the header, the whole chapter has a lighter font color compared to the last seven documents. Might want to select all the text and make it black. Also, on the index page, the quotation for Chapter 8 (“ Are you sayin' my mouth is makin' promises my legs can't keep?”) has a space after the first quotation mark.
Now, without further ado:Did you hear about the bounty? What bounty? THE bounty.
Prose: All-caps emphasis should probably be replaced with italics. Unless it's Royal Canterlot Voice, which this isn't.Most of them had pathetic weapons, rusty rifles and barely mended work implements.
Grammar: The comma after "weapons" should probably be replaced with a colon or semicolon.I feigned an injured, yet dignified expression. “It’s not puny,”
Grammar: Since this is the end of this line and there is no dialogue tag, the comma at the end of the dialogue should be replaced with a period.My duffel bag with shotgun and reinforced barding rested next to her.
Grammar: Should be "with my shotgun", unless this is truncated on purpose to sound blunt. Might be a matter of style. Your call.Somepony had sewn the Crusader patch on the flank of my left side, right below the word ‘Security’.
Prose: Kinda awkward. Try "on the left flank of my barding".“Yes. The raider sample had some severe ulcerations in the pre-frontal lobes…”
Prose: Ulceration is not a 100% accurate description of what happens to a brain infected with a prion disease, and that hyphen in "pre-frontal" isn't necessary. Moreover, the correct term is frontal lobe, which contains the prefrontal cortex. Consider changing this line to: ["Yes. The raider sample had numerous lesions in the frontal lobes..."]“The front of the brain is where most of your long-term decision making happens.”
Prose: There's a missing hyphen between "decision" and "making". Also, this line is a bit vague, and it doesn't take into account the other implications of damage to this area of the brain that Glory should be well aware of, given her background. Consider elaborating on this line, rephrasing it as: ["The front of the brain is where most of your long-term decision-making and impulse control happens".]You’d probably see the same thing with Blackjack’s brain,” P-21 said; grinning at me.
Grammar: The semicolon should be replaced with a comma.The decay is progressive; likely it takes months or years for full psychological breakdown.
Grammar: The latter part of this sentence should probably be rephrased as ["The decay is progressive; likely it takes months or years for full psychological breakdown to occur."]“The Enclave reports that there’s something down here that turns all ponies into raiders, but we’ve come across plenty that aren’t. The slaver brain was perfectly healthy. No ulceration at all.”
Prose: "Ulceration" should read "lesions".While I wasn’t exactly thrilled about resting at the weather station, I knew there was food we’d left behind, and unless the robots rebuilt themselves we should safe.
Grammar [should safe] > [should be safe]Glory frowned, rubbing her chin with a wingtip. “I really don’t think it’d fit. That bore has to be a hundred and twenty two millimeters and that’s almost the width of a mare giving birth so figuring in the thickness of the barrel…” She finally caught my look. “Oh. Blackjack humor. Sorry.” She smiled sheepishly. “Yes, we will protect you from a hypothetical Deus and his hypothetical cannon.”
Comment: This line was always a real head-scratcher for me. I mean, 122mm is like a howitzer, mortar or tank main gun. Almost five inches. Even for a cyborg, there are limits to how much ammo one can carry; not just weight, but volume is also an important factor that most people forget about. The shells would simply be too large to carry very many of them, even if the weight is manageable with augmented strength. As a matter of fact, if I had to ballpark an estimate for Deus's ammo carrying capacity based on that 122mm figure, I'd say that Deus would be able to carry no more than six shells per gun, in side-mounted ammo cans. Granted, the diameter of the shell tells us only half the story. If they were short cartridges (like big grenade launcher or mortar rounds), he might have about double or triple that capacity, but their muzzle velocity would be very low, but not so low that they'd be ineffective at the point-blank range Deus likes to use them at. However, if they really were anything like 122mm Soviet howitzer shells (the weapons are described as cannons, not grenade launchers - up until this line, I had assumed they were automatic cannons, equivalent to a 25mm Bushmaster or 40mm Bofors), they'd be simply too immense to carry a large supply of them. It's difficult to appreciate just how large those rounds are without seeing them firsthand. I mean, just the projectile alone, without the powder or the case, weighs almost fifty pounds. I think I'm going to need some clarification here: is Deus really lugging around hundreds of pounds of ammunition? Just how big is he? It might be a better idea to leave the exact statistics on those guns ambiguous in-story.“Heh… it’s probably a nightmare phantasmagoria of blood and death, the way my luck’s been.” I touched the tip of my horn to the glowing orb and made the magic connection; the world faded to black...
Grammar: This semicolon should be replaced with a period and the first word in the following sentence capitalized.The unicorn mare I occupied fit so well I felt as if I myself were standing there.
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Oh how I adored this… she adored… oh Goddesses, it was getting hard to tell where she ended and I began.
Comment: Oh wow, there was foreshadowing this early. Nice.Assassination? Suddenly I remember old Hoss’s journal entries at the flooded field farmhouse.
Prose: Should be past-tense "remembered".“His younger sisters were Applejack and Apple Bloom… but other than that, no. I don’t think so,” Glory said as she shook her head.
Grammar: Double-space at end of dialogue.Was it loneliness, now that my world had gone from a stable of a few hundred to less than a half dozen ponies, and was I desperate to connect to somepony good?
Grammar: Could be hyphenated as "half-dozen".Slowly it came to a rest behind us, and I stared at the mud-slathered turret of a two hundred year old tank.
Grammar: Can be hyphenated as "two-hundred-year-old".A ring of concrete crumbled at the top of the hill and I could make out something spray-painted on the it: Take care of… but the rest had been lost to time.
Grammar: [the it] > [it]. Also, [Take care of...] should probably be in single-quote marks, as in ['Take care of...'].P-21 rubbed his chin thoughtfully with a hoof as he looked at the wreck now laying on its muddy treads. “Think we could get it working?”
Grammar: [laying] > [lying] OR [laying] > [sitting]“You want to fix the tank? It’s a two hundred year old relic that been buried upside-down in a hill!” I said incredulously.
Grammar: Can be hyphenated as "two-hundred-year-old". Also, [that] > [that's].A dozen ponies fired pot shots at a bunker that returned fire through armored slits.
Grammar: Can be compounded as "potshots".“Got a bunch o’ them thieving Crusaders holed up in there. Ate three of our brahmin,” Assault Rifles said as he scratched his pockmarked hide with a hoof.
Comment: Wait a minute. Brahmin are sentient. What they're accusing those kids of is murder.
Meh. Typical Equestrian Wasteland.The other ponies gave a few more shots, but quickly the moved off into a clump, talking between themselves and looking back at me more and more.
Grammar: [the] > [they]“And got Scoots ate by ghoulies, Allegro,” a lackadaisical blue colt with purple mane replied.
Grammar: [with purple mane] > [with a purple mane]“Oh, those lot think we’re poachin brahmin,” Allegro said with a snort.
Grammar: Missing apostrophe on dropped G. [poachin] > [poachin']“Mutanted up.” The blue colt gave a slack grin, “Ain’t nearly so big and dumb as mud. They come out, snatch a brahmin that’s strayed, run back inta the rocks. Some breathe fire too. But Crusaders is easier than going huntin fer dragons critters.”
Grammar: Again, missing apostrophe on dropped G. Also, is the grammar on those last two words intentional, or no?The second shot fired a hoof-sized spread of the razor-sharp darts into the hole. Blood sprayed from the creature’s chest wound and mouth as the flechettes sliced through its meaty interior and into vulnerable organs. Maybe it was just luck, but the dragon mutant went down in a heap.
Prose: This is not an accurate description of what flechettes do to soft, fleshy targets in real life. Flechettes don't "slice" through anything. They poke narrow, long wound channels, like a big knitting needle. And ones loaded into shotshells have notoriously low velocity, low penetration and poor performance, keyholing into targets (that is to say, they immediately become unstable after leaving the muzzle and hit the target sideways instead of nose-on). They can barely get through a sheet of plywood in some of the tests I've seen.
Flechette shotshells are similar to other "exotic" loads like bolo rounds and Dragon's Breath incendiary shells in that they're an expensive boondoggle; if anything, they would have far inferior wounding properties compared to buckshot.
That's one thing that a lot of military science fiction authors get wrong; shotguns have horrible penetration in general, and cannot be relied upon against hard targets (even the most basic of kevlar vests rated for pistol rounds will stop shot cold, to say nothing of alien carapaces and powered exoskeletons), and yet so many authors out there have their protagonists engaging armored targets with shotguns and succeeding.
Now, explosive shotgun slugs are another story. Those things have excellent penetration, and can punch a hole the size of a quarter in half-inch-thick steel plate.
Eh, I suppose you could chalk this one up to artistic license, but still, for anyone who knows anything about firearms, this could be a little verisimilitude-breaking. Just a little. If you want, the paragraph could be revised like this:
[The second shot fired a hoof-sized spread of the finned darts into the hole. Blood sprayed from the creature’s chest wound and mouth as the flechettes tumbled through its meaty interior and shredded vulnerable organs. Maybe it was just luck, but the dragon mutant went down in a heap.]“Because I’m sick of being useless,” he replied sharply, closing his eyes, pressing his lips together. “I still don’t like firearms, but explosives take more… deliberation. It’s harder than just pulling a trigger. So I think I’m safer with them.”
Grammar: These sentences can be combined by removing the period and replacing it with a comma, and then uncapitalizing "So".The rubble shifted and rolled, and from behind it raised a gray shape even larger than the ones we’d just finished off. Climbing out of a depression, this was clearly much more dragon than mutant. The back legs had atrophied almost to nothing, but its forelimbs pulled it over the ground.
Grammar: The description seems a little truncated and the tense and grammar are awkward. Consider:
[The rubble shifted and rolled, and from behind it stirred a gray shape even larger than the ones we’d just finished off. I watched in horror as it climbed out of a depression in the floor; this was clearly much more dragon than mutant. The creature's back legs had atrophied almost to nothing, but its swollen forelimbs were more than capable of dragging its hulking mass over the ground.]
Watch out for sentences that confuse "raised" and "rose", because they're not 100% identical in their usage.I had no idea if their effect was cumulative, but it seemed to slow and disorient the beasty as P-21 raced around the edge of the room.
Typo: Can also be (and more commonly is) spelled "beastie".Trying to flick off a brass cap from a stick of dynamite from across a room while a dragon wanted to pulp me wasn’t exactly easy.
Prose: This phrasing is a little bit awkward and repetitious. Consider: "Trying to flick a brass cap off a stick of dynamite from across a room while a dragon wanted to pulp me wasn't exactly easy."Every group of dynamite I passed, my magic swept out and popped off a half dozen caps.
Prose/Grammar: In this context, "group" sounds a little too anthropomorphized and too personal; try "cluster" instead. Also, "half dozen" can be hyphenated as "half-dozen".The first attack involved a six foot piece of rebar.
Grammar: Can be hyphenated as "six-foot".I leaped into the cleared out eye socket and slammed the tip of my shotgun into the tiny bloody hole in the back of the eye cavity. Round after poisoned round deposited the toxin directly into its brain. It lifted up, clawed at the wound, then gave one last shudder and collapsed.
Prose: The wording doesn't really evoke the kind of imagery you'd expect from such a gory scene. Instead, try:
[I leaped into the hollowed-out eye socket and jammed the muzzle of my shotgun into the tiny bloody hole in the back of the eye cavity. Round after poisoned round deposited the toxin directly into its brain. It reared up, clawed at the wound, then gave one last shudder and collapsed.]
Other than that, it's good. Can't get too technical, going into detail about the optic nerve and such; Blackjack is fairly ignorant about biology and anatomical features.“Oh. Redbeard was going on about it on Paradise Radio. You can pick it up this far south,” Allegro said as he pointed at a my PipBuck.
Grammar: [at a my] > [at my]She butchered Roses’s group, smashed her horn clean off, and then gave her a five second head start before sicking the goons on her.
Typo: "Sic" and "Sick" are two very different things. This should be: [sicking] > [siccing]Then P-21 smacked the back of my head. Hard. I hissed, hugging my throbbing skull. “What you do that for?”
Grammar: Unless this is supposed to be truncated (or unless she's still reeling from the impact of P-21's hoof and hasn't yet regained her ability to form coherent sentences, heheheh), this should be something like: [What you] > [What'd you] OR [What you] > [What did you]His blue eyes narrowed, “What was miss Roses doing when you ‘butchered’ her group?”
Grammar: As a title, "miss" should be capitalized "Miss".Allegro had pulled out a box of two hundred year stale popcorn and munched it.
Grammar: Should be hyphenated as "two-hundred-year-stale".“She can be obtuse, vulgar, and obscene in one moment and then in the next she’s kind, laughing, and more noble than any pony I know. She killed children one day and saves them the next. Is it some kind of dissociative identity disorder, or can a pony actually survive being torn in two directions so severely?
Grammar: In this case, "more noble" can optionally be condensed to "nobler". However, since it occurs in dialogue, the strident wording could be considered a feature of Glory's speech patterns. Morning Glory has a slight... disfluency in her speech compared to the other characters. Enough that it seems deliberate.“Her companion is equally inscrutable. More of a realist, perhaps; it’s clear he’s dealt with far more long term psychological trauma. It seems to have helped him adapt to the realities of the Wasteland better than she or I have. His insistence on deliberate self control is remarkable, but I worry about its source. Unlike Security, he doesn’t seem fixated on some ideal self standard but instead has a deeply repressed rage kept contained. I think he’s right to not want a gun.”
Grammar: All of the words in bold should have a hyphen between them.She looked concerned, but then nodded. “All right. Good night.” She hopped on to the edge of the bridge.
Grammar: In this instance, "on to" can be compounded as "onto".The third swing brought the baton around upwards, connecting to the other unicorn’s levitating rifle and knocking it skyward. Coming out of S.A.T.S., I battered the weapon with two more swings, glad when the clip knocked free. The unicorn pulled the trigger wildly, but it merely clicked.
Prose: Again, I'd be surprised that a weapons expert like Blackjack would use the term "clip" for what is technically a magazine. A clip is like a speedloader for a revolver. It holds a bunch of rounds together so you can load them into a magazine quickly. Rifle clips are very outdated technology, mostly found on bolt-action and early self-loading military rifles. The M1 Garand was unusual in that the clip stayed in the magazine and was ejected with the last round. I, personally, have an SKS rifle that can be loaded with 10-round stripper clips, which are designed to be placed in a notch on the bolt and then removed and discarded once used to load the magazine.
Also, removing the magazine from a loaded weapon is no guarantee that it will not fire. Unless Blackjack's baton strikes caused some sort of malfunction with the trigger mechanism, it would have to be manually cycled to remove the live round from the chamber.
Luckily, this is an easy fix, as it is possible to simply suggest that the weapon sustained more internal damage than is visible from a casual inspection. Consider rewording this sentence as follows:
[The third swing brought the baton around upwards, connecting to the other unicorn’s levitating rifle and knocking it skyward. Coming out of S.A.T.S., I battered the weapon with two more swings, glad when the magazine was dislodged with a metallic crunching noise. The unicorn pulled the trigger wildly, but it merely clicked.]I ducked my front and tagged one on the face with a double hoof kick as my magic swept the baton low in front of me.
Prose: That's some odd wording, there. Try "hunkered down" or "knelt" instead of "ducked my front".“She just killed you,” Glory said quietly to the gasping unicorn. “And she just saved your life. Leave her alone now, please. She’s got better things to do than beat up farm ponies after a quick cap.”
Grammar: Isn't that supposed to be "nap"?Footnote: Level up!
New perk added: Rad resistance- You resist 20% of radiation exposure. This makes you 20% cooler!
Skill note: Melee 50.
Prose: This should read exactly as follows, capitalization and line breaks and all:
[Footnote: Level Up.
Skill Note: Melee (50)
New Perk: Rad Resistance - You resist 20% of radiation exposure. This makes you 20% cooler!]
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And that's another one down. Been so busy with work lately, but things are finally settling down a bit. Lots of optional minor style edits here; it's up to you which ones to keep and which ones to toss, but I have a feeling you're going to like most of these. I try to stay faithful to the source material without going completely overboard, but if you feel that there's anything wrong with my methods, let me know, and I'll adjust my edit suggestions accordingly.
…Huh. So it is. I don't know how you managed to see that; even looking for it, I wasn't sure I was seeing it until I actually pulled the text color setting up. I don't think it's a big enough issue to warrant a story-wide search, though, at least at the moment; I already crashed two browsers when I made the silly mistake of trying to open all five of the chapters you have here at once. Opening every single one, even sequentially, is… not appealing. I can change this and the hub page, though.Train Dodger wrote:Technical: This first line appears to be a different text color from the rest of the document; a light grayish instead of the normal black text. The first several chapters have all-black text, but in a few later chapters, the quotation at the beginning appears lighter than the rest of the text. This appears to be by design. It's not consistent, however. Some of the later chapters have it, and some don't. In fact, I think the majority don't. It might be a good idea to check over each chapter and make sure that ALL of the header and body text is black. Which is just as well, since in Chapter 8, the whole chapter's body is that header color. Note, this also applies to the quotations in the index page itself. Some of them are the lighter color, and some aren't.
By the way, apparently, according to Somber (I've not played around with it personally), FIMFiction's Gdocs converter doesn't handle italics well. Given how much we use them, that's yet another reason I'm not eager to do the conversion.Train Dodger wrote:Prose: All-caps emphasis should probably be replaced with italics. Unless it's Royal Canterlot Voice, which this isn't.
No, I think is… some sort of phrase I don't recall the name of at the moment. [wikis a hypothesis] Appositive, right.Train Dodger wrote:Grammar: The comma after "weapons" should probably be replaced with a colon or semicolon.
I wondered a bit about the ammunition too. (It's also an issue for tank!Deus, even though he's bigger and has more space, but a lot could be going on there that we don't see; his fuel system's certainly a bit roundabout.) Steel Rain has the same problem. That's useful, though, actually, because Steel Rain's guns, while rare, apparently weren't originally unique the way Deus's might have been. If Equestria was making these in quantity, they'd have to find a way to solve the problem, and, while it could be done by having other ponies follow with the ammunition, that makes the weapon system consume more resources and present more targets to the enemy. With Equestrian magic, they've a variety of options. Possibly they use dedicated shrinking spells.
Oh, and yes, Deus is big. Doof was big, and cyberization made him yet bigger and stronger.
Argh, it looks like we've been inconsistent on this. "half-dozen" returns only twenty-seven results, though, while "half dozen" returns over a hundred. I don't think that it would be worthwhile to correct the twenty-seven at the moment; it's not a big problem.Train Dodger wrote:Grammar: Could be hyphenated as "half-dozen".
Yeah. An accusation of "that child killed and ate three people" has a significantly nonzero probability of not being wrong. Though there's also a good chance that the people making the accusation, in this case, don't really think of it as murder due to not really thinking of brahmin as people. Fun all around!Train Dodger wrote:Comment: Wait a minute. Brahmin are sentient. What they're accusing those kids of is murder.
Meh. Typical Equestrian Wasteland.
Thanks for the informations on flechettes and shotguns in general.
Hm. True, but… Eh… I think the more chopped flow of the current wording is better-suited to the tone of what P-21 is saying.Train Dodger wrote:Grammar: These sentences can be combined by removing the period and replacing it with a comma, and then uncapitalizing "So".
Eh… I think it's better as it is, sorry.Train Dodger wrote:Grammar: Can be hyphenated as "six-foot".
Hm, I've not noticed that.Train Dodger wrote:Morning Glory has a slight... disfluency in her speech compared to the other characters.
Ah, and thank you for the bit on clips.
No. The phrase is referring to the farm ponies, and the cap is the unit of currency.Train Dodger wrote:Grammar: Isn't that supposed to be "nap"?
No, I think this worked well. I didn't agree with everything you proposed, but most of it was good and the format didn't seem problematic to me. Thanks again.Train Dodger wrote:but if you feel that there's anything wrong with my methods, let me know
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» [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
» [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
» [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
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