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Post by Guest Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:57 pm

@Caoimhe Well you could look at revolvers as more of a failed design. For the most part.

The firearm industry evolved rather quickly in equestria I believe the very first gun that's mentioned is one big mac purchases to kill a cockatriece (Or however that's spelled.) and I think Applejack refers to it in a way that implies that firearms were just newly discovered. I think it's reasonable to expect a few failed weapon designs along the way. Besides a revolver is still probably easier for an earthpony or pegasus to use than weapons that predated it

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Post by Caoimhe Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:01 pm

Hmm, except how is one supposed to load a real world equivalent shape revolver? Pick up bullets with teeth and hold it on the table with one hoof? Hardly apt for mid-conflict.

I can see the failed design concept I suppose, how they'd come up with it is beyond my comprehension. Hope there's some magic involved to compensate for the recoil though.

Yeah I know, it's a magical ponyland and all.
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Post by Guest Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:15 pm

If it helps while I'm not a hundred percent sure I think when Braeburn originally made lil' mac for AJ he included a letter saying something about how he believed a lesser pony using it would damage their jaw... I could be completly wrong about that though. It's something I remember vaguely.

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Post by Kippershy Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:26 pm

I don't remember that at all, even with my re-reading it a while back.
He made it for her and said he was sorry that things had gotten so bad between them, but I don't think he ever said anything about anyone else in his letter.
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Post by Guest Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:39 pm

That's the letter when AJ sent Lil' Mac back. It was an apology over her reaction to the anti-machine rifles. Though it's entirely possible I made up the other letter.

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Post by Guest Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:14 pm

I would just like to say that I would be okay with a combination of a hat-gun and one of those drinking-straw hats. I feel deep in my soul that this would be entertaining.

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Post by Derpmind Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:58 pm

I just know someone IRL has come up with the brilliant idea of using a helmet gun and dual-wielding to fire three guns simultaneously.
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Post by Scienza Tue Nov 26, 2013 8:16 pm

Caoimhe wrote:I wish there was an agreed canon image of what most projectile weapons look like in FoEniverse. How non-unicorns use weapons without a battle saddle requires quite a large a suspension of disbelief. It becomes even more complex given how 1 for 1 "real world" some weapons are described as like sniper rifles, revolvers and shotguns. I still cringe at some of the more seemingly teeth-shattering descriptions.

Not that it's that big of a deal, but Somber at least includes more laser oriented fantasy weapons that make a little more sense. I still can't see how ponies would develop a small revolver that requires loading small bullets that could seemingly only be efficiently accomplished by a third of the population.

Edit: Hell, if I were to rewrite FoE, I'd imagine most weapons as to involve some sort of head harness or helmet. Unicorns by nature can fire magic horn-based projectiles, so it'd make more sense for other subspecies to design something originating from the top of the head. Else, make all weapons only able to be operated from a battle saddle. Shoving stuff in the mouth and using the tongue to operate a trigger makes no reasonable sense from an operational or tactical standpoint.
Now, what I'm really surprised that I haven't seen at all is a hoof-mounted firearm, akin to New Vegas' ballistic fist.

It would have swiveling trigger mechanisms, so you could walk properly. Just flick your back hooves and give a raider a twelve-gauge applebuck to the face!


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Post by Kippershy Tue Nov 26, 2013 8:26 pm

Derpmind wrote:I just know someone IRL has come up with the brilliant idea of using a helmet gun and dual-wielding to fire three guns simultaneously.
The Russians (I think) did concept such a gun, but the recoil and aiming it turned out to be too dangerous.
Not only can you not fire it without having your head directly in the line of fire (where-as you can always blindfire with your arms if you're in cover) but the aiming of the gun is problematic since our eyesight isn't always 'on center' so to speak and the recoil would likely cause permanent neck damage if you were to securely attach even a .22 to not shoot wildly.
As well as this, you have the issue of firing the gun and reloading it too - it would likely require taking the helmet off, which would take a while and be nowhere near the effort

In short, even the Russians saw it to be a stupid idea and it never got past paper.

Scienza wrote:Now, what I'm really surprised that I haven't seen at all is a hoof-mounted firearm, akin to New Vegas' ballistic fist.
As for this, while not technically hoof mounted, I do include a hoof-fire capable shotgun into my own stuff.
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Post by SilentCarto Tue Nov 26, 2013 10:50 pm

Scienza wrote:I'm kinda in the boat of just calling it a handgun. Turning it into "mouthgun" is kinda distracting in my opinion, and makes it harder to immediately understand what you're referring to.
I agree that "mouthgun" is kind of weird and goofy. I would tend to err on the side of avoiding the word "handgun" at all.

swicked wrote:Wiki says all revolvers are pistols, though, so at least that is covered.
Uh, what version of Wiki are you looking at?

Pistol
When distinguished as a subset of handguns, a pistol is a handgun with a chamber that is integral with the barrel, such as a pepperbox revolver—as opposed to a standard (single-barrel) revolver, wherein the chamber is separate from the barrel as a revolving cylinder.
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Post by SilentCarto Tue Nov 26, 2013 10:55 pm

Scienza wrote:Now, what I'm really surprised that I haven't seen at all is a hoof-mounted firearm, akin to New Vegas' ballistic fist.

It would have swiveling trigger mechanisms, so you could walk properly. Just flick your back hooves and give a raider a twelve-gauge applebuck to the face!
Wait, that sounds kind of familiar...
Spoiler:
Yeah, that.

Seriously, though, I agree that this should be a thing which exists. (Possibly a zebra thing.) I think I'd put it on the front leg, though.
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Post by O. Hinds Wed Nov 27, 2013 4:21 am

Ah, yes, that's what I thought. Thank you for the clarification, SilentCarto.
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Post by Technowolf Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:54 am

Derpmind wrote:I just know someone IRL has come up with the brilliant idea of using a helmet gun and dual-wielding to fire three guns simultaneously.
Why use a helmet when you can just be good?

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Post by Meleagridis Wed Nov 27, 2013 12:10 pm

Scienza wrote:Now, what I'm really surprised that I haven't seen at all is a hoof-mounted firearm, akin to New Vegas' ballistic fist.
That reminds me, I still need to finish Wings.
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Post by Aonee Wed Nov 27, 2013 3:16 pm

I was just about to say, in Wings the main character combines his prosthetic rear leg with a shotgun. He continually breaks it from the force, but still.
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Post by Luminous Lead Thu Nov 28, 2013 8:53 pm

Scienza wrote:

Now, what I'm really surprised that I haven't seen at all is a hoof-mounted firearm, akin to New Vegas' ballistic fist.

It would have swiveling trigger mechanisms, so you could walk properly. Just flick your back hooves and give a raider a twelve-gauge applebuck to the face!
I take it you haven't read Fallingsnow's Guise of Chaos yet, then?

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Post by Rayndalf Sat Nov 30, 2013 10:44 pm

Caoimhe wrote:Hmm, except how is one supposed to load a real world equivalent shape revolver? Pick up bullets with teeth and hold it on the table with one hoof? Hardly apt for mid-conflict.
Maybe they use speed-loaders... 

Magical speed-loaders that bullets feel compelled to be attached to...

It makes perfect sense!


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Post by StoneSlinger88 Sat Nov 30, 2013 10:56 pm

Rayndalf wrote:
Caoimhe wrote:Hmm, except how is one supposed to load a real world equivalent shape revolver? Pick up bullets with teeth and hold it on the table with one hoof? Hardly apt for mid-conflict.
Maybe they use speed-loaders... 

Magical speed-loaders that bullets feel compelled to be attached to...

It makes perfect sense!
Speedloaders. Some revolvers can either break open or flip the cylinder out with a quick eject for shells, allowing for a speed loader to be used.
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Post by Rayndalf Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:06 pm

StoneSlinger88 wrote:
Rayndalf wrote:
Caoimhe wrote:Hmm, except how is one supposed to load a real world equivalent shape revolver? Pick up bullets with teeth and hold it on the table with one hoof? Hardly apt for mid-conflict.
Maybe they use speed-loaders... 

Magical speed-loaders that bullets feel compelled to be attached to...

It makes perfect sense!
Speedloaders. Some revolvers can either break open or flip the cylinder out with a quick eject for shells, allowing for a speed loader to be used.
If I recall correctly, every revolver in Fallout 3, and Fallout New Vegas uses a speedloader, with the exception being the '.357 magnum revolver' so I think it would work Twilight Sparkle
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Post by Guest Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:22 pm

That's assuming they spent the time developing a device to make revolvers more easily used by earth ponies and pegasi. Seeing as the fire arm industry evolved so rapidly I think it would be a small-ish market.

"Hey there's this thing to make it easier to reload that."

Versus.

"Hey there's this new gun that's easier to load."

Seeing as the earth ponies were the force behind the firearm's industry in general I'd think they'd just move on.

Personally I think speedloaders would be pretty rare in the wastes. I just don't think there were many people buying them if they were even ever produced to begin with.

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Post by Rayndalf Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:29 pm

Last wrote:That's assuming they spent the time developin a device to make revolvers more easily used by earth ponies and pegasi. Seeing as the fire arm industry evolved so rapidly I think it would be a small-ish market.

"Hey there's this thing to make it easier to reload that."

Versus.

"Hey there's this new gun that's easier to load."

Seeing as the earth ponies were the force behind the firearm's industry in general I'd think they'd just move on.

Personally I think speedloaders would be pretty rare in the wastes. I just don't think there were many people buying them if they were even ever produced to begin with.
If one were to think about this logically, then yes speedloaders would be very rare...

But this is fallout, were the courier has a separate speedloader for each revolver, and the Lone Wanderer has a near infinite supply of stripper clips for his chinese pistol, so many in fact that he/she discards them each time they reload

TL;DR Yes, that is logical, but this is fallout!
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Post by Guest Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:33 pm

Hey that's still not as bad as infinite supressors in rainbow six vegas. Spike 

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Post by SilentCarto Sun Dec 01, 2013 4:50 pm

Last wrote:Hey that's still not as bad as infinite supressors in rainbow six vegas. Spike 
And may I just say that it kind of pisses me off that suppressors in most video games make the gun totally silent? Because they're generally more a matter of "I heard that a city block away" as opposed to "I heard that three miles away". It's a rare gun that can actually shoot someone without his buddy noticing.
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Post by Rayndalf Sun Dec 01, 2013 5:40 pm

SilentCarto wrote:And may I just say that it kind of pisses me off that suppressors in most video games make the gun totally silent? Because they're generally more a matter of "I heard that a city block away" as opposed to "I heard that three miles away". It's a rare gun that can actually shoot someone without his buddy noticing.
I guess it all comes down the size of the maps in video games. Very few games include maps where suppressors would practical, so they are more effective, making them more usable. Fallout is one of the few games where suppressors could be true to life and still somewhat practical.

Just hope that your enemies don't unrender 
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Post by Luminous Lead Sun Dec 01, 2013 9:33 pm

Rayndalf wrote:
Caoimhe wrote:Hmm, except how is one supposed to load a real world equivalent shape revolver? Pick up bullets with teeth and hold it on the table with one hoof? Hardly apt for mid-conflict.
Maybe they use speed-loaders... 

Magical speed-loaders that bullets feel compelled to be attached to...

It makes perfect sense!
The lead uses one in Golden Tassel's Sweet Nothings.

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Post by Icy Shake Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:25 am

Holidays . . . It's not that I'm ungrateful, but they can be a drain on anyone, and I suspect they're worse on introverts.

Anyway, made it through the big number thirty three today. It's hard to believe its second anniversary is coming up in a couple months.

Chapter Thirty Three Running Thoughts:
Chapter Thirty Three Overall Thoughts:
Other Chapter Editing Matters, Principally Concerning Dogs:
Chapter Thirty Three Editing Matters:
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Icy Shake wrote:Holidays . . . It's not that I'm ungrateful, but they can be a drain on anyone, and I suspect they're worse on introverts.

Anyway, made it through the big number thirty three today. It's hard to believe its second anniversary is coming up in a couple months.

Chapter Thirty Three Running Thoughts:
Chapter Thirty Three Overall Thoughts:
Other Chapter Editing Matters, Principally Concerning Dogs:
Chapter Thirty Three Editing Matters:
Ah, thank you very much as always.

Also, second anniversary? I say.

This format is good, thanks. Sorry to be so particular. :)

…You appear to have Chapter 21 listed twice in a row, though. It's not a problem, but I'm not sure why you did it.

Oh, and the second block of 49 stuff is actually in 44.

"And that's why it's important to get DNRs or be careful about assigning medical power of attorney."
…Oh, "Do Not Resuscitate"! At first I read that as "Darned Nearly Recoilless" and was confused.

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You've just been reading the wrong books and files. It's an easy mistake to make."
…Huh, yeah, how did I forget this line? It's another place where I diverge from PH, I suppose; my headcanon for both FoE and the show is that the existence of what we might call "souls" is established scientific fact.

"I think that the level up area note of "Game over" is a little odd, since even though she's certainly died, it's not over."
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Post by Derpmind Thu Dec 05, 2013 2:09 am

So this happened. Too tired to, well, anything, but it's good and stuff I guess.
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@Derpmind
Well, that's kind of glorious.

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