Re: [Official!] Project Horizons Comment Crew Chat thread.

[Tytan]

Camo/lastbait:

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[Frost]

Camo/lastbait:

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Me likey the zebling.

[Guest]

Camo/lastbait:

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Love it.

[Moodyman90]

Funny enough I rarely used Shotgun Surgeon. 

Oh I'm certain I picked it up in a playthrough or two, but I don't actually remember it doing anything more than what a normal shotgun would do. Could have been I just wasn't paying attention or I was too focused on other weapons.


I guess I will admit that combining Strong Back, Heavyweight, Burden to Bear, along with the Hoarder trait and getting your strength up to 10 makes carrying weight trivial. More so with the Pack Rat perk.

[CamoBadger]

Camo/lastbait:

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*look up picture on dA. Find out what it's of*
I will burn everyone involved.

[Frost]

Funny enough I rarely used Shotgun Surgeon. 

Oh I'm certain I picked it up in a playthrough or two, but I don't actually remember it doing anything more than what a normal shotgun would do. Could have been I just wasn't paying attention or I was too focused on other weapons.

It lets shotguns ignore 10 enemy DT, and shotguns' divided damage means they really struggle against armor normally. In practice, it lets shotguns more or less rip through anything short of the heaviest armor around. Again, combine with And Stay Back, and you go through everything like a hot knife through butter.

[Frost]

Non-pony art:

[Scienza]

Funny enough I rarely used Shotgun Surgeon. 

Oh I'm certain I picked it up in a playthrough or two, but I don't actually remember it doing anything more than what a normal shotgun would do. Could have been I just wasn't paying attention or I was too focused on other weapons.

It lets shotguns ignore 10 enemy DT, and shotguns' divided damage means they really struggle against armor normally. In practice, it lets shotguns more or less rip through anything short of the heaviest armor around. Again, combine with And Stay Back, and you go through everything like a hot knife through butter.

Load up Dinner Bell with slugs or magnum shells and it's like a scalpel. Do the same for a Riot shotgun and everything dies.

[Valikdu]

I find it incredibly funny to kill Lanius with coin shells.

[Tytan]

Camo/lastbait:

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/279/f/5/commission__princess_scarlet_by_siansaar-d6ph5zu.jpg

*look up picture on dA. Find out what it's of*
I will burn everyone involved.

Perhaps a slight over reaction.

By the way Camo, we'll (me an my family) be in Colorado this next Friday. We're heading to Estes.

[Tytan]

Oh god this is funny:

[Moodyman90]

I need to use shotguns more than, with those perks. I just can't get over the Cowboy Repeater. I know there's better weapons but I like that one too much.

[CamoBadger]

*look up picture on dA. Find out what it's of*
I will burn everyone involved.

Perhaps a slight over reaction.

By the way Camo, we'll (me an my family) be in Colorado this next Friday. We're heading to Estes.

Considering it's a zebra-changeling hybrid who is the child of Chrysalis and some OC? No, I'd say my reaction is perfectly fine.


And have fun. Not really sure where you're staying since when I left about 75% of that area was living in the hotels.

[Tytan]

Yeah, the whole flood thing may have messed up our plans. My parents were gonna check with the hotel to see what's up.

[Scienza]

I need to use shotguns more than, with those perks. I just can't get over the Cowboy Repeater. I know there's better weapons but I like that one too much.

Really? I hated the sights on it, though it's one of the best early-level weapons. The Hunting Rifle is the way to go.

[Moodyman90]

Agree to disagree on that part, cause I loved the sights on the Cowboy Reapeater. I made so many BS shots with that gun. Yeah eventually the damage output doesn't make it a viable weapon later on, it's nice to carry around.

I will give props to the Hunting Rifle though, it is a good weapon.


Though the most fun I had in the game was when I decided to have Explosives as my main weapon haha.

[Scienza]

Though the most fun I had in the game was when I decided to have Explosives as my main weapon haha.

Unarmed is insane amounts of fun. Impossible starting out, but once you can kill things by punching them to death, you never go back.

[cb5]

It wasn't as much that it was overpowered, but Shotgun Surgeon utterly wrecks anything.

Combined with And Stay Back (and perhaps one other perk, which escapes me at the moment) it basically turned the Hunting Shotgun into a Deathclaw/Cazadore flyswatter for me, even loaded with ordinary rounds

Regarding the New York debate, I personally think that they'd have to work to make it unique for it to be noteworthy. 

Some still-standing skyscrapers turned into self-sufficient havens, but filled to the brim with corruption and all the paranoia and jingoism of the Old World.

The subways become the home of a new order--they struggle to survive, they can be brutal, and their society might seem strange to those above, but it's clear they won't fall into the same traps that the Old World did and that the Tower-Dwellers clearly will. 

On the streets, isolated outcasts and scavengers move in shadows, as silent as ghosts to avoid horrors that the rest of the Wasteland can't even dream about, horrors whose hunger can never be satiated and whose howls ever echo on the wind that moves between the towering monoliths of the Old World.

And the river.....Just steer clear of the river, okay?

Yeah, but then it would just be a fallout version of metro 2033.

Personally I would like a alaska fallout more cause it would be a fuckton more difficult to survive than any fallout game before.  In a blizzard VATS would be useless cause it wouldn't see anything.  Food would be scarce.  Any material and weaponry would be scarce except outside of the main cities.  Players would have to constantly worry about hypothermia.  It would instead of being a action fps; it would instead be a action-survival-stealth fps.  Any and all vaults would be extremely precious even if they were no longer functional.  Openly firing your gun against large forces would be a death sentence.  Even fighting against small groups would be more strategic.  Also your tracks would give you away.


Now imagine having to fight enemies wearing the chinese stealth suit in the middle of a blizzard in the middle of a forest in alaska at -30 degrees celsius WITHOUT VATS.

[Scienza]

Yeah, but then it would just be a fallout version of metro 2033.

Personally I would like a alaska fallout more cause it would be a fuckton more difficult to survive than any fallout game before.  In a blizzard VATS would be useless.  Food would be scarce.  Any material and weaponry would be scarce except outside of the main cities.  Players would have to constantly worry about hypothermia.  It would instead of being a action fps; it would instead be a action-survival-stealth fps.  Any and all vaults would be extremely precious even if they were no longer functional.  Openly firing your gun against large forces would be a death sentence.  Even fighting against small groups would be more strategic.  Also your tracks would give you away.

It would be a cool game to play, cause now with fallout a group of twenty raiders you just run and gun.

A fallout game in the alaskan wilderness in the middle of a blizzard in a forest you would have to constantly check your pipboy for enemies, slowly approach the camp and throw a grenade, then begin taking out the remaining forces one by one until one of the enemies fire their gun.  Once they fire their gun all hell breaks loose cause then they know where their comrade or you are and will immediately swarm the area.

An alaskan fallout game would be a lot more difficult cause if you run and gunned it then a enemy would just be able to sneak up behind you and blow your head clean off.

Also imagine having to fight enemies wearing the chinese stealth suit in the middle of a blizzard in the middle of a forest.

But then you would be lonely and sad. And not in the good way of lonely and sad. Lonely and sad in the "There's nobody to give me quests, I'm all alone with the bears" way.

It's always been an action-survival-stealth FPS, it just depends on how you play it. The stealth is kinda somewhat really broken, but that's besides the point.

In effect, you kinda just described Metro 2033 mixed with a healthy dose of DayZ and a smidge of Lost Planet: Extreme Condition. The tracks mechanic is kinda interesting, but knowing how Bethesda works, it'd probably be really buggy since it'd have to keep track of the footprints of every NPC and beast.

The only other issue I can think of with it would just be that it would be really hard to keep it visually interesting. Fallout 3 also really suffered with that, since it was pretty much just concrete and dirt forever.

[Frost]

Though the most fun I had in the game was when I decided to have Explosives as my main weapon haha.

Unarmed is insane amounts of fun. Impossible starting out, but once you can kill things by punching them to death, you never go back.

I'm currently doing an Unarmed/Survival run. One of the big keys is to try and get all the special Unarmed moves--Scribe Counter, Ranger Takedown, Legion Assault, and Khan Trick. Are there any I'm missing?

[Moodyman90]

No, that's all of them that's not available during normal perk progression. I usually end up with Ranger Takedown and Scribe Counter during a normal game, Khan Trick if I head over to Red Rock before picking a side for the end game. I forced myself to do a more pro Legion run than before for the Assault.

And then I got tired of the Legion and started killing them whole slaughter.

[cb5]

But then you would be lonely and sad. And not in the good way of lonely and sad. Lonely and sad in the "There's nobody to give me quests, I'm all alone with the bears" way.

It's always been an action-survival-stealth FPS, it just depends on how you play it. The stealth is kinda somewhat really broken, but that's besides the point.

In effect, you kinda just described Metro 2033 mixed with a healthy dose of DayZ and a smidge of Lost Planet: Extreme Condition. The tracks mechanic is kinda interesting, but knowing how Bethesda works, it'd probably be really buggy since it'd have to keep track of the footprints of every NPC and beast.

The only other issue I can think of with it would just be that it would be really hard to keep it visually interesting. Fallout 3 also really suffered with that, since it was pretty much just concrete and dirt forever.

You could make the game more interesting by not having all of alaska explorable and the majority of the missions taking place in the southern part.  What I mean by that is the actual map only being the southern more populated areas of alaska with anchorage and that.  If they did it that way it would actually be pretty busy.  Not DC level of busy, but lots of little towns and such reduced to half broken down buildings that are military or civilian outposts for travel.  Juneau could be the game's version of megaton, and Anchorage could be the game's version of rivet city.  Basically cut anything north of the yukon out of the game and it would be a pretty busy game.

The easy way to fix the track mechanic would be for the tracks to vanish after a set amount of time.  In a blizzard you would leave no tracks, if it's just snowing then the tracks could disappear after a little while.  Having tracks disappear after a minute or two in 0mph wind and not snowing isn't realistic, but it would be easy way to keep the bugs to a minimum.

Also I was thinking about it with more lost planet. How cold a player is effects how well they do. A player in hypothermia would not be able to aim for shit and be shivering like crazy. They could take away a lot of the overpowered perks and replace them with arctic perks. Instead of something like steady aim you would have the perk to resist shivering while shooting. It would still be overpowered, but have perks that let a player resist the cold. If someone is hacking a door and they're in severe hypothermia have them shake like crazy and unable to punch the keys properly. A perk they could introduce to make someone better at this would be for them to be able to keep their hands steady while hacking even in severe hypothermia.

Basically what I mean by the perks is that take out all the overpowered perks and have the cold physically effect how well the character shoots, reacts, runs, and such and have perks that reduce the effects. If someone has maxed out gun stats and perks they're not actually making them shoot more accurately, rather you're making them able to resist shivering while shooting.

[Harmony Ltd.]

shitty mspaint, but made me giggle a bit : http://derpiboo.ru/443282

[O. Hinds]

Though the most fun I had in the game was when I decided to have Explosives as my main weapon haha.

Unarmed is insane amounts of fun. Impossible starting out, but once you can kill things by punching them to death, you never go back.

That sounds like something that Veronica would say.

[Scienza]

But then you would be lonely and sad. And not in the good way of lonely and sad. Lonely and sad in the "There's nobody to give me quests, I'm all alone with the bears" way.

It's always been an action-survival-stealth FPS, it just depends on how you play it. The stealth is kinda somewhat really broken, but that's besides the point.

In effect, you kinda just described Metro 2033 mixed with a healthy dose of DayZ and a smidge of Lost Planet: Extreme Condition. The tracks mechanic is kinda interesting, but knowing how Bethesda works, it'd probably be really buggy since it'd have to keep track of the footprints of every NPC and beast.

The only other issue I can think of with it would just be that it would be really hard to keep it visually interesting. Fallout 3 also really suffered with that, since it was pretty much just concrete and dirt forever.

You could make the game more interesting by not having all of alaska explorable and the majority of the missions taking place in the southern part.  What I mean by that is the actual map only being the southern more populated areas of alaska with anchorage and that.  If they did it that way it would actually be pretty busy.  Not DC level of busy, but lots of little towns and such reduced to half broken down buildings that are military or civilian outposts for travel.  Juneau could be the game's version of megaton, and Anchorage could be the game's version of rivet city.  Basically cut anything north of the yukon out of the game and it would be a pretty busy game.

The easy way to fix the track mechanic would be for the tracks to vanish after a set amount of time.  In a blizzard you would leave no tracks, if it's just snowing then the tracks could disappear after a little while.  Having tracks disappear after a minute or two in 0mph wind and not snowing isn't realistic, but it would be easy way to keep the bugs to a minimum.

Also I was thinking about it with more lost planet.  How cold a player is effects how well they do.  A player in hypothermia would not be able to aim for shit and be shivering like crazy.  They could take away a lot of the overpowered perks and replace them with arctic perks.  Instead of something like steady aim you would have the perk to resist shivering while shooting.  It would still be overpowered, but have perks that let a player resist the cold.  If someone is hacking a door and they're in severe hypothermia have them shake like crazy and unable to punch the keys properly.  A perk they could introduce to make someone better at this would be for them to be able to keep their hands steady while hacking even in severe hypothermia.

Basically what I mean by the perks is that take out all the overpowered perks and have the cold physically effect how well the character shoots, reacts, runs, and such and have perks that reduce the effects.  If someone has maxed out gun stats and perks they're not actually making them shoot more accurately, rather you're making them able to resist shivering while shooting.

One of the things is that we've also kinda already been to Alaska, albeit in a pre-war sim. I'd rather see an entirely new setting rather than an updated version of Operation Anchorage.

If you're really set on the whole cold-weather survival thing, the annexed Canada would probably be a more interesting setting.

[Harmony Ltd.]

Louna : http://derpiboo.ru/443307

[Scienza]

On an unrelated note:

Best pone revealing that the very fabric of the cosmos is contained within her perfect mane.

[Frost]

One of the things is that we've also kinda already been to Alaska, albeit in a pre-war sim. I'd rather see an entirely new setting rather than an updated version of Operation Anchorage.

If you're really set on the whole cold-weather survival thing, the annexed Canada would probably be a more interesting setting.

Ah, yes, Fallout: Ontario. The Raiders walk up and politely ask if you'd like to give them your things and let them rape you, the law-keeping vigilantes kindly ask them to stop (while, of course, riding horses) and the Enclave doesn't so much poison water and broadcast propaganda as they do fix elections and try to dodge letting the Enclave to the south dragging them into things.

[Moodyman90]

I still vote for Somber's idea for a Fallout game. But that's because he wants it to take place in the South and I can't help but go with that.

Especially since his idea is WAY better than what they slapped together for Point Lookout. Other than something to do related to the Dunwich building and you showing up and bring the fight between Calvert and Desmond to a close, not much going on there.
Other than the glitched inbred hicks that ignored all DT, which I found annoying cause of the stereotype of "of course they degraded into sub human monsters? Haven't you seen Deliverance?"

[CamoBadger]

One of the things is that we've also kinda already been to Alaska, albeit in a pre-war sim. I'd rather see an entirely new setting rather than an updated version of Operation Anchorage.

If you're really set on the whole cold-weather survival thing, the annexed Canada would probably be a more interesting setting.

Ah, yes, Fallout: Ontario. The Raiders walk up and politely ask if you'd like to give them your things and let them rape you, the law-keeping vigilantes kindly ask them to stop (while, of course, riding horses) and the Enclave doesn't so much poison water and broadcast propaganda as they do fix elections and try to dodge letting the Enclave to the south dragging them into things.

I laughed way too hard at this.

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