Re: [Official!] Project Horizons Comment Crew Chat thread.

[Stringtheory]

This.  Can dressed-up corridors be good?  Like I said, I still want to play Fo3; the only reason I haven't is that I've not been able to get it running. 

You have to edit the Fallout.ini file and stick a file into your game files. I don't have a download link, try looking up d3d9.dll. I think the Oldblivion folks have it somewhere.

I've tried that.  I've tried all sorts of things.  I've tried different combinations inumthreads editing and different version of d3d9.  I've tried running the game in different wrappers and in a Windows 7 virtual machine (7 was all I could get).  None of it has worked.

IIRC, you're stuck in the same boat as me, Hinds: having a laptop with a intel HD 3000 integrated "graphics card", d3d9 doesn't help for me, all it does it load a little more before crashing. I'm just saving up for a better computer...

[Stringtheory]

I have a random ass question.  Is the epilogue to FoE canon?

I think many consider it similar to the Harry Potter epilogue: fucking stupid but technically canon, though you could ignore it and probably no one would care.

[brony all alone]

you wanna know how long it took me to get all:relics,letters,memory cards,craftable items,guns,attachments,camos for FC3. i just got my last flamethrower fuel upgrade on wednesday. making me have EVERYTHING. ask me about ANYTHING far cry 3 related. anyone is free to ask.

[Stringtheory]

you wanna know how long it took me to get all:relics,letters,memory cards,craftable items,guns,attachments,camos for FC3. i just got my last flamethrower fuel upgrade on wednesday. making me have EVERYTHING. ask me about ANYTHING far cry 3 related. anyone is free to ask.

Impressive...I might actually care once I've played FC3...

[cb5]

I have a random ass question.  Is the epilogue to FoE canon?

I think many consider it similar to the Harry Potter epilogue: fucking stupid but technically canon, though you could ignore it and probably no one would care.

Actually speaking of which harry potter is getting a sequel. Personally I like to think of the FoE epilogue as canon, cause if the original writer says it's canon then it's canon. Like I could claim harry potter's epilogue isn't canon all I want, but if J K Rowling says it's canon then it's canon.

[brony all alone]

nah you cant even begin to comprehend how long it took. but its all worth it.

[Frost]

you wanna know how long it took me to get all:relics,letters,memory cards,craftable items,guns,attachments,camos for FC3. i just got my last flamethrower fuel upgrade on wednesday. making me have EVERYTHING. ask me about ANYTHING far cry 3 related. anyone is free to ask.

At this point, I have to wonder whether you paid attention to the rather grim plotline and themes concerning rape, slavery, drug abuse, insanity and the darkness within all men, or if you were too busy hunting down the features that were meant to be entirely secondary little Easter eggs

[brony all alone]

i paid attention to all that. best character in that game is vaas. on a side note does anybody have skype?

[Frost]

i paid attention to all that. best character in that game is vaas. on a side note does anybody have skype?

Yes, he is. Are you saying that because the depth of his insanity and his surprisingly philosophical nature makes him the perfect villain for Jason, or because everyone else said Vaas was the best character?

[Stringtheory]

I have a random ass question.  Is the epilogue to FoE canon?

I think many consider it similar to the Harry Potter epilogue: fucking stupid but technically canon, though you could ignore it and probably no one would care.

Actually speaking of which harry potter is getting a sequel.  Personally I like to think of the FoE epilogue as canon, cause if the original writer says it's canon then it's canon.  Like I could claim harry potter's epilogue isn't canon all I want, but if J K Rowling says it's canon then it's canon.

Actually, the new harry potter movie is a prequel set 70 years earlier, but anyway ever heard of Fanon Discontinuity? Apparently much of the HP fanbase subscribes to it in regards to the epilogue, but then again the majority of the HP fanbase is fucking stupid, being teenaged girls.

[Scyto Harmony]

This.  Can dressed-up corridors be good?  Like I said, I still want to play Fo3; the only reason I haven't is that I've not been able to get it running. 

You have to edit the Fallout.ini file and stick a file into your game files. I don't have a download link, try looking up d3d9.dll. I think the Oldblivion folks have it somewhere.

I've tried that.  I've tried all sorts of things.  I've tried different combinations inumthreads editing and different version of d3d9.  I've tried running the game in different wrappers and in a Windows 7 virtual machine (7 was all I could get).  None of it has worked.

I know your pain. After a whole lot of tweaking and disabling config files and editing everything, I finally had it working. Then Steam decided to update it and erased everything.

Edit: Oh, and you guys are crazy, Fallout 3 was MUCH better than New Vegas.

Mothership fucking Zeta.

Not sure what you mean here. Whether you're referring to it as a good DLC or bad, I NEVER count DLC when I rate a game.

[Katarn]

Frost, giving him options like that and you believe he'll choose second one? :D

[Scyto Harmony]

To answer a far earlier thing you said Frost, if you want non-standard Anime that's regarded as excellent, I'd suggest Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood (If you haven't already seen it) and Steins;Gate. Although, Steins;Gate is a slow start. The first 10 or so episodes are pretty interesting, but they're not godlike. But after that point it becomes super interesting.

I've heard a lot about FAB (Fabulous Ass Buddies) and I'll probably get to it at some point in the near future. I'll look into Steins;Gate, as well. 

Any familiarity with Black Butler? Is there reason to watch it beyond the homoeroticism? (Which, honestly, is reason enough for me)

I have seen some Black Butler, read the anime for a while it's... good. But I don't know if you'll like it. While it doesn't have much of the failings of most Anime, it still... I don't how to say... It's still an Anime. It still has a few Anime tropes and such. But It's good enough that I'd say yeah, you might like it.

Edit: And sorry it took my so long to reply, my family's bitching and complaining "Scyto, you're an introvert" and "Scyto, why don't you get a job" and "Scyto, I'm not 100% sure you're not a sociopath".

[cb5]

but anyway ever heard of Fanon Discontinuity? Apparently much of the HP fanbase subscribes to it in regards to the epilogue, but then again the majority of the HP fanbase is fucking stupid

You mean like how almost everyone here ignores the epilogue to FoE?

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[brony all alone]

nah its cuz hes a badass. plain and simple. to sum up his best times he: kills your bro. pushes cinderblock tied to you off cliff, shoots you,and stabs you. and if you pay attention, when you t you kill him, his "dead" corpses eyes quickly glance up and stare at you. hes one crazy dude. does anybody have skype??

[Frost]

I have seen some Black Butler, read the anime for a while it's... good. But I don't know if you'll like it. While it doesn't have much of the failings of most Anime, it still... I don't how to say... It's still an Anime. It still has a few Anime tropes and such. But It's good enough that I'd say yeah, you might like it.

Edit: And sorry it took my so long to reply, my family's bitching and complaining "Scyto, you're an introvert" and "Scyto, why don't you get a job" and "Scyto, I'm not 100% sure you're not a sociopath".

Thanks for the advise. And don't worry about it. Regarding the latter issue, you can just do what I did and remove any ambiguity whatsoever from the equation (not ten minutes hence, my mom called me a "sick bastard" in the middle of the dollar store)

[Katarn]

There's a good story and good characters (for most of the time).

[Frost]

nah its cuz hes a badass. plain and simple. to sum up his best times he: kills your bro. pushes cinderblock tied to you off cliff, shoots you,and stabs you. and if you pay attention, when you t you kill him, his "dead" corpses eyes quickly glance up and stare at you. hes one crazy dude. does anybody have skype??

I hope you realize that he does these things because he is a bad person who is not to be admired. By blood volume, he's about half amphetamines and a third psychotropics. He takes slaves, tortures, and rapes for fun. He deliberately keeps similarly psychotic, rape-mongering pirates on hand as his personal army (his right-hand man keeps Jason's (male) best friend as a sex slave for an indeterminate period of time). 

Furthermore, his "badassery" is largely driven and constrained by the plot. In every appearance but his very first, he would have been mercilessly and efficiently killed by the player the instant he appeared, had the game not wrested control away--fitting, story-wise, if frustrating gameplay-wise, but still worth considering.

Yes, I have Skype. You'll forgive me if I withhold my address.

[Frost]

Can dressed-up corridors be good?

My apologies for missing this earlier.

They most certainly can. Valve's story-driven games tend to be extremely linear, with no choice or free-roaming for the player at all. This allows them to focus on keeping the story tight, the characters well-written, and the levels themselves atmospheric and well-balanced. Linearity trades freedom and (to a degree) immersion with polish and focus. It can be done well, and it can make a great game. It's a valid method. It's just not Fallout, and it has no place in a Fallout game.

[Frost]

Agreed.
It's just a bit more interactive a visual novel, really.
Most games drift toward a linear story, anyway.

Which, as mentioned, is a perfectly fine way to make a game; not inherently better or worse than making it open-world. Considering that the aforementioned interactivity that separates it from a visual novel is, in practice, the mechanics of fun, classic games that each have their own considerable fanbases and have spawned spinoffs focused on in-depth use of those mechanics, it's fairly obvious that linearity isn't an automatic narrative when done well.

My main gripe with Fallout 3 is that it had all the shortcomings of an open-world game (less in-depth storyline(s), comparatively less fleshed-out characters, dedication to game balance) and all the shortcomings of a linear game (shorter playtime, few choices, lack of immersion) all wrapped up in the dressing of Fallout's flaws (clunky, ill-polished combat and excessively equation- and numbers-based outcomes that kill any organic feel the game might have had)

[Stringtheory]

but anyway ever heard of Fanon Discontinuity? Apparently much of the HP fanbase subscribes to it in regards to the epilogue, but then again the majority of the HP fanbase is fucking stupid

You mean like how almost everyone here ignores the epilogue to FoE?

Snap snap snap snap snap
Snap snap snap snap snap
Snap snap snap snap snap
Snap snap snap snap snap
Snap snap snap snap snap

(You kind of walked into that one)

Yeah, I kinda did...

[Frost]

Alright, as part of my efforts to branch out a little and hate the Japanese less, I'll take a look at some other anime/mangas that I've heard were pretty good. I'm already on Volume 9 of Berserk, and it's filling my holes when it comes to some good, old-fashioned giant-sword-swinging punch-a-demon-in-the-face violence and cosmic horror, but I'll give that a rest for the moment.

Anyone familiar with Black Butler? From what I've heard, it'll provide my recommended dose of labyrinthine scheming and homoeroticism

Have you tried Durarara? An Irish dullahan tracks her lost head to a major Japanese city, and rides around on a giant black motorcycle that casts shadows of a horse.

Taken under advisement. Thanks for the recommendations, gents.

[Scienza]

Can dressed-up corridors be good?

My apologies for missing this earlier.

They most certainly can. Valve's story-driven games tend to be extremely linear, with no choice or free-roaming for the player at all. This allows them to focus on keeping the story tight, the characters well-written, and the levels themselves atmospheric and well-balanced. Linearity trades freedom and (to a degree) immersion with polish and focus. It can be done well, and it can make a great game. It's a valid method. It's just not Fallout, and it has no place in a Fallout game.

Aye. I adore the Mass Effect series.

[Scyto Harmony]

Wait, Wait. I wasn't paying attention. What problems do people have with the HP epilogue? Because, as terrible as a feel for saying this, I've read each book more than 5 times each (The fourth one, my favourite, I've read 13 times and counting) and I consider myself a HUGE HP fan. And I can't imagine what problem people have with the epilogue.

And I realize it was probably mentioned earlier in this conversation, but I don't care enough to try and find it.

[Stringtheory]

Wait, Wait. I wasn't paying attention. What problems do people have with the HP epilogue? Because, as terrible as a feel for saying this, I've read each book more than 5 times each (The fourth one, my favourite, I've read 13 times and counting) and I consider myself a HUGE HP fan. And I can't imagine what problem people have with the epilogue.

And I realize it was probably mentioned earlier in this conversation, but I don't care enough to try and find it.

eh, the teen aged fanbase just didn't like how the characters ended up or something, I don't know really, I just know it exists

[Scienza]

nah its cuz hes a badass. plain and simple. to sum up his best times he: kills your bro. pushes cinderblock tied to you off cliff, shoots you,and stabs you. and if you pay attention, when you t you kill him, his "dead" corpses eyes quickly glance up and stare at you. hes one crazy dude. does anybody have skype??

I hope you realize that he does these things because he is a bad person who is not to be admired. By blood volume, he's about half amphetamines and a third psychotropics. He takes slaves, tortures, and rapes for fun. He deliberately keeps similarly psychotic, rape-mongering pirates on hand as his personal army (his right-hand man keeps Jason's (male) best friend as a sex slave for an indeterminate period of time). 

Furthermore, his "badassery" is largely driven and constrained by the plot. In every appearance but his very first, he would have been mercilessly and efficiently killed by the player the instant he appeared, had the game not wrested control away--fitting, story-wise, if frustrating gameplay-wise, but still worth considering.

Yes, I have Skype. You'll forgive me if I withhold my address.

You'll forgive me for lacking experience with the game, I haven't been able to play it on my shitty laptop, but is he a bit like the masked characters of Alan Moore, Rorschach and V, whose ideals you're supposed to understand, and to some extent, respect, but they aren't admirable people?

[cb5]

Wait, Wait. I wasn't paying attention. What problems do people have with the HP epilogue? Because, as terrible as a feel for saying this, I've read each book more than 5 times each (The fourth one, my favourite, I've read 13 times and counting) and I consider myself a HUGE HP fan. And I can't imagine what problem people have with the epilogue.

And I realize it was probably mentioned earlier in this conversation, but I don't care enough to try and find it.

Cause dumbledore being gay russled people's jimmies, and if they don't count the epilogue as canon then they don't have to admit they read a book series featuring a gay main character.

[Frost]

You'll forgive me for lacking experience with the game, I haven't been able to play it on my shitty laptop, but is he a bit like the masked characters of Alan Moore, Rorschach and V, who's ideals you're supposed to understand, and to some extent, respect, but they aren't admirable people?

Vaas is sort of a symbolic character. He's basically the end result of what happens when humanity succumbs to its savage, hedonistic, and ruthless nature. You understand him but you do not respect him.

Completely unrelated to anything whatsoever:

[Moodyman90]

You guys have been busy, Kim isn't gonna like all of these new pages haha.

I really don't have anything to add to any of this. Personally I liked New Vegas more than FO3 cause I could immerse myself in it more. I was okay with 3, certainly wasn't a bad game, but after New Vegas it felt less. Not meant to be a crack at it, and i certainly sunk more time into 3 than most other games as well.

Anyways, for those interested and as a reminder, tonight is Team Fortress 2 night for the Steam group. Open to all provided we find a server with room.

[brony all alone]

waitin in a 2 hour line for a divines damned mountain dew. if they run out ima be angry

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