Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

[Harmony Ltd.]

Hey, did you guys hear about the outcast zebras who worship "A Song of Ice and Fire"?

They call them... the Stark-katteri.
(badumTISH)

(but lol at the joke, really)


@ Somber : The Stark are a clan of protagonists from the series of novels "A Song of Ice and Fire", from what I gather.

[Katarn]

There are no particular protagonists. Every character, who more or less important enough are main.

Also, spoiler alert. EVERYONE DIES!

[Harmony Ltd.]

Yeah, from what I heard if the whole place got nuked to oblivion it would probably be a net positive in human terms.


Anyway, back on 57. I liked it. Can't really build any kind of constructive criticism right now, but I have to say 75% of me was expecting this thread to have turned into another joust by the time I finished reading the chapter, what with Glory's further character development and the confirmation that, be it because of her transformation into Rainbow Dash, BlackJack's influence or simply because of all the shit she's gone through since the beginning of the story ; her old self is slowly being eroded away, and part of her she thought fundamental are changing.

(and holy shit do I need to stop doing paragraph-length sentences)

[RoboRed]

horribly-formatted stream-of-consciousness chapter thoughts:

I liked this chapter. Very laid back. A happy little reunion with many of the ponies Blackjack's run into though her travels.

And one heck of a twist.

[RoboRed]

I do have one regret about the chapter though.  No song.  I have one in my head for it.  I have the music in my head for it, but I have no way to create it.  I imagined P-21 telling Blackjack to finally relax as they twirl around the dance floor.  Then Glory jumps in.  Then P-21.  Then both of them together.  Then fade to the 'ahem' scene.  Since it's a slow song, I can't find real world analogies to use.

Not 100% perfect, but it's a nice one.

[Harmony Ltd.]

here comes the screaming from the reading masses...

Also one of my expectations, though I'd say this has been a long time coming, and (to me at least) it doesn't come as out of left field considering :

- Glory opening up at the possibility of a threesome with BJ and some other stallion in the chapter.
- The underlying tension there's been between P-21 and BJ since the beginning of the story.
- Everyone was shitfaced.

[Derpmind]

Anyway, back on 57. I liked it. Can't really build any kind of constructive criticism right now, but I have to say 75% of me was expecting this thread to have turned into another joust by the time I finished reading the chapter, what with Glory's further character development and the confirmation that, be it because of her transformation into Rainbow Dash, BlackJack's influence or simply because of all the shit she's gone through since the beginning of the story ; her old self is slowly being eroded away, and part of her she thought fundamental are changing.

(and holy shit do I need to stop doing paragraph-length sentences)

It is major character development for Morning Glory, but I can't think of any reasons why it would be out-of-character for her, after all she's been through, to not at least re-examine her beliefs. She's been dealing with heavy mental-dissonance for a long time now. What else could have happened, really?

[Harmony Ltd.]

Exactly what I had in mind. Basically everything she's went through has conspired to deconstruct who she thought she was and what she believed in, bit by bit, down to the most fundamental layers of her personality. No wonder in these condition she would slip up and fuck a stallion while she's in heat and not in full control of herself ; or why she'd accept to do a threesome with BlackJack, her last anchor of stability in this world, when said anchor time and time again insisted on the fact that she didn't mind in the last bit about Glory giving up monogamy and straight up told her that she would be a-okay with a threesome.

It's perfectly "in character", from my point of view :

She's broken down to the last bit.

[Harmony Ltd.]

Now the question would be what is this lump of clay going to be molded into by the end of the story ?

[Harmony Ltd.]

Oh, also is it only me, or was the first paragraph of the chapter an answer to the whole debate there had been after 56 ?

With the "Councilor Boo" and the "crown chewing" bits, that's at least three possible nods to this thread / 4chan I caught this chapter.


Not that it's a bad thing in itself, just remarking.

[Dambrony]

I have no understanding of how a forum takes place...
but i really enjoy reading different thoughts on FOE ^^

[Moodyman90]

I stake no claim in inspiration as Somber probably had it planned long in advance, but I did mentally go "Called it!' when it came down to Blackjack telling all three siblings that regardless who was picked the others should support them or leave and don't interfere.

On the subject of Glory, the question of "is the mind a plaything of the body?" probably fits. Though the fact she was able to be a smart pony for a while when it came to discussing the virus proves she still Glory. And the scene where Blackjack went "and for a moment I saw the gray color mare as clear as day" was a nice thing to put in.

 

Edit: Welcome to the forums Dambrony! Glad to have you and hope you stick around for a long while.

[CD]

I don't mean to brag, but Blackjack's choice was about how I imagined it would be. Pick the compassionate one as ruler and let the competent one be chancellor with certain limitations. I just didn't believe she'd give Charm a chance after how petty and immature she's behaved. And despite her precautions, I have a feeling she's just spoiled enough to test Blackjack's patience and plot revenge against her own sibling. With Grace now being the only remote family Blackjack has left, I can't see this going well.

And the drunk love scene of Blackjack was really sad knowing what will happen now. I'd almost say it was too short, and it's going to be rather painful for her companions in the morning when they see she's gone. Even though Blackjack has a good reason for not telling them, it's going to be a tearful reunion.

[Derpmind]

I'm glad the chapter went okay.  I know 4chan won't like it, but they don't like anything.  Seriously.  I have never seen them praise any story.  So I've learned not to be sorry about not gaining something that I'm not going to get.

So I finally gave in to curiosity and took a look at the fallout equestria thread on 4chan. I am really upset by what I saw there, but I know some of us don't want to talk about it, so I'm hoping we can keep it in spoiler tags please.

Angry Rant:

[Harmony Ltd.]

Spoiler:

[Moodyman90]

You probably looked in there at a bad time Derp. Granted I've never been there but I do believe Kip in that deep in the middle of all that there is some who actually like the story and have good points and the like.

I thought about going there myself, seeing what all the fuss is about. But I decided not to. It's not worth any kind of pain it would bring. My words have no place there and I have no reason for ever being there. You can do what you want, as can everybody else, but there's no place for me there.

So P-21 cleans up nicely and spent more time with his daughter acting like a dad. I haven't mentioned that before but I really enjoyed that part as well. I'm all for good father figures. I know they're not rare in fiction, but for somebody who comes from a so called broken family it's nice to see.

Which is weird cause I'm on good terms with my dad. Yeah he's not Father of the Year material and is an ass most of the time, but he did his best to be a good dad in his own way.

[Guest]

So P-21 cleans up nicely and spent more time with his daughter acting like a dad. I haven't mentioned that before but I really enjoyed that part as well. I'm all for good father figures. I know they're not rare in fiction, but for somebody who comes from a so called broken family it's nice.

I wouldn't say this chapter paints him as a good dad. He got drunk and slept with two mares. During this he left scotchtape with rampage and the filly that foal napped her. I wouldn't call that good parenting.

Why would finding her PipBuck aim her friends toward the Goddess in any way? Aside from Lacunae also being missing, there's nothing (as far as the Goddess knows) that would point them

Other then the dealer? I don't think it will. I didn't mean to imply it would either, sorry. All I was trying to say was that it's going to immediately raise alarm when they find it as opposed to the smaller alarm of BJ wandered off again. As far as destroying it goes there's a certain symbolism to that. "Your quest is over BJ, you're mine now."

She's taken joy in this kind of thing before. Why not now?

[Vergil]

I REALLY need to stop reading chapters at 3AM so I can remember most of them. I remember liking this one a lot and that I am excite for the next one and that's about it.

Ugh.

[Ketchup]

Finally got this done, just a thought log thingamajig. It's kinda convoluted and silly, though I tried to give thoughts on things, even if nobody reads it it helps me remember PH to a degree.

Spoiler:

Didn't spot any typos. Wasn't looking hard.

[CD]

I can't even navigate 4chan. Never in my life have I seen such a cluttered mess of innane banter and non-sequeators outside an M. Night Shyamalan movie.

[SilentCarto]

Yeah, from what I heard if the whole place got nuked to oblivion it would probably be a net positive in human terms.

Wait, so you're killing people to keep them from killing each other?
It's the perfect plan!

If we can’t, we might have to evacuate the hospital and relocate to Rocket Town at the Luna Space Center.  Unfortunately, we have friction with the ghouls who live there,”
- for once, a fallout reference I actually get.

a self-perpetuating anger machine that manufactures artificial hatred.

...Cognitum?! 

I'm torn. Part of me wants to put a copy of this post on that thread. Call them out. I know it will most probably not help with anything, but I don't mind trying and failing with my typed words. The other part of me, however, cringes at the thought of seeing even worse from these idiots pretending to be both moral crusaders and heartless monsters.

Don't. There's no point in showing around a bucket of vomit and ranting about how vomity it is. Anyone with an ounce of sense knows what they're looking at the instant they see it, most people are happy to take your word for it rather than look themselves, and those who put it there aren't going to take it back no matter what you say.

They definitely like aspects of it. They've read a lot of the work and there are definite positives they could point out. They just aren't as passionate about saying nice things. It's easier to be angrier for the negative.
Even those who mostly like the work are unlikely to say so because they might then have to defend it against others who have decided to hate on it because scathing criticism is more fun to both write and read. They want to say these things and receive praise for what they have said and the way they've said it. Bitter wit, and all that. It's a fun and easy way to feel superior to someone who's actually creating something worthwhile, too.

[Guest]

Oh, this sorta slipped my mind. That pegasus half heart and his raider wife, anyone send that small part to Kim? Something tells me it would be relevant to her interest.

Also I didn't realize there were non brain diseased raiders in ph.

[O. Hinds]

I fixed it. It had something to do with a font I copy/pasted.

Message received and post read; thanks.

Being me, I am intrigued who the "war hero" is that was mentioned when his wife broke into Shadowbolt Tower.

Sky Striker? That's what I assumed, at least.

So, I, too, am a little disappointed that she made the change so quickly, and I certainly differentiate strongly between her making what she sees as a regrettable mistake in last chapter and the apparent reevaluation of her values in this. However, among the other arguments in favor of this happening eventually is the fact that Glory is at heart a scientist, so seeing that Blackjack's attitude toward sexuality makes her happy whereas her own mostly brings her misery—sometimes but far from always caused by Blackjack—I would expect her to update her estimated probability distribution regarding what sexual outlook would be best for her—not to do so would be a little derpy.

I hadn't even thought of that particular angle. Yay science!

*Hit! Head! On! Desk!*
Sky Striker would qualify as a war hero, wouldn't he? That completely passed me by the first time.

:)

I have no understanding of how a forum takes place...
but i really enjoy reading different thoughts on FOE ^^

Well, welcome to the forum anyway!

Wonder why they're heading to Shattered Hoof.

Silver Spoon is looking for Diamond Tiara.

Didn't spot any typos. Wasn't looking hard.

Don't worry about it; there are plenty of other people doing that.

Also I didn't realize there were non brain diseased raiders in ph.

Well, even in the Hoof, I imagine that not every single pony classified as "raider" has the disease; most ponies don't even know about the disease, after all, so they think of Hoofington raiders as just being even worse than raiders elsewhere. Of course, living a typical raider lifestyle in the Hoof would usually lead to very quickly contracting the disease, but she was a pegasus.

[Guest]

True. I just liked the idea that some of them are just drugged up assholes instead of having a disease they can blame their behavior on. Thought it was worth mentioning.

[Derpmind]

Whelp, I'm not angry anymore. It kinda helps that I just watched Spaceballs again. But you're right, Harmony Ltd., Swicked, SilentCarto:



Well, maybe that's not completely accurate. But they're still idiots. I'm not gonna post anything there.

[Exodus Hero]

Hey, did you guys hear about the outcast zebras who worship "A Song of Ice and Fire"?

They call them... the Stark-katteri.
(badumTISH)

 You... what have you done?

[Caoimhe]

Yay, done.

Nice chapter, the unnerving nervous nervousness of everything was felt but I knew either it was gonna end on a cliffhanger of doom out of nowhere or nothing bad would happen. Glad it ended the way it did.

Re: Glory and monogamy: Glory has performance anxiety. That's the core of her frustration the way I see it. She's very inexperienced and was brought up in a way of thinking that's now being challenged and is very tough for her to sort out. She's also on the rag which makes things a lot worse. Again, she's not giving up on things, she's trying to understand herself, her body and part of the core of her being in order to understand Blackjack. Part of this can be jumping headon into new experiences irrationally. You could say it's strange now since we were already introduced to leather dominitrix Glory but you've gotta remember that that was her using a power scenario to keep BJ happy and from offing herself. This is a post-Styg world now, so things are a little different. Also note that at some point Glory gave Blackjack a little too much slack since BJ is much more comfortable now with oggling dudes with Glory around so that's gotta put her on edge a little more, too. I would have liked that balcony scene to have gone on a bit longer since conversations of that nature are much more complex but it'd probably hurt the pacing of the chapter.

However, best part of this? By far BJ and P-21's hug. That was downright heartwarming. It's so so so good to see P-21 happy. The coda seemed to be a longtime coming as well and his little dry joke was great too. I love it when P-21, the great stubborn equalizer, is in a peaceful, happy mood. He's the perfect bestie for BJ.

And how about the potential arts that can come from this! Holy moley, pony dressup ahoy!

[RoboRed]

Starting with Boo. 

[Guest]

My vote would be for rampage first.

[Caoimhe]

But really, no one could find a proper dress for Scotch other than Sweeble's talent show costume?

(Just remembered Rampage's line after this. Great great great!)

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