Re: [Official!] Project Horizons Comment Crew Chat thread.

[Kippershy]

Are Ghouls really into raping and all that? Mostly the Ferals just seem to want to tear/eat shit up, while the regulars are, so far as we've seen, often on the straight and narrow. (Disproportionately so, considering most everyone else.... isn't)

One in twenty million chance sort've situation.
One person I know was stupid enough to ask why feral ghouls have a penis at all - yet don't have any issue with "normal" ghouls having them and having sex... as if going insane would really automatically remove your dick.

My reasoning is this: being feral, you run off pure instinct and primal urges, yes? Eat... eat... eat, usually.

Well, sex is still a primal, instinctual urge. What if the person you was before the change was someone absolutely obsessed with sex? Trying to get it at ALL times simply because your brain chemistry and such tells you to, non stop.
There are people in the real world like this, so I'm saying there was in the pony world too.
I mean, hell, look at 99. The Stable was a fucking sex fiends paradise.
Anyway, back to topic.


Say there's a pony who is like that, turns to ghoul, turns feral.
One in twenty million chance that the primal urge is so strong and so instinctive -- and that their 'tackle' isn't too damaged isn't really too unthinkable, in my opinion.

So, Crimson (and more specifically, Platinum) was unlucky enough to have came across that one in twenty million chance and get into the situation.


Now, the ghoul was still trying to eat her at the same time, and that's all his friend cared for, but he was also running off that other instinct too.


Another way to make it understandable is Resident Evil 4 - no really - look at the mysterious merchant. He was infected with Las Plaguas but instead of turning feral like the villagers did, his greed/desire for wealth and bartering was so strong that he kept doing what he was doing.

[Frost]

Ah. I should probably get around to reading that story

[Kippershy]

Like I say, it really is a one off kind've thing. There will be other feral ghouls that would do the same, but not in my story any more.
The damage is done to Crimson and he now has seen something truly damaging.

He's going to have more emotional damage done, sure, but that's his big thing to deal with... for now.


There will be more, but yeah.
Lost track of what I'm on about now.

[Frost]

I've marked your story on Read Later, Kip.

Also, is anyone here familiar with Gears of War? Because I have a question about that.

Why do barely any of their guns have stocks?

[Stringtheory]

Also, is anyone here familiar with Gears of War? Because I have a question about that.

Why do barely any of their guns have stocks?

because they're so fat they don't need stocks

[Ironmonger]

Drop the Turks keep the Trottoman.

Thanks Kip.

@Frost Camobadger has a story

[Kattlarv]

OMDSK: Freakiazoid doesn't lazily jog xP But I would do advise you to at least run faster than me... which reminded me of two bad jokes: Two people had been swimming in the woods, when they get up they suddenly hear a roar, they turn to see a bear, and the first one quickly dons their shoes and the other goes "Are you crazy? You can't outrun a bear?" - "I know, but I only have to outrun you!" and the all time classic you want me to whisper in your ear late at night from an alley: "I run faster when I'm horny than you do when you are scared...". Oh, that reminds me of "Your resistance only improves my vaginal mucus production" xD

@Valik: Gotta say it feels skilled to read it as that... :P

@OAC: Yeah, I was just watching it and then went all "wait a minute...".

@EP: (drinking) I've one drunk alcohol stuff twice in my life. One was a quarter can of disgusting shit my friend whined on me for not "wanting to have fun with them" for finishing. The other was... something with milk and ice I think, it was quite good till the one doing them got drunk and started swapping out 10-20 % of the content each one they made. (if starting 20-80, it ended up 80-20 in the end, just tasting bad) and this doesn't count new year wine. Quite sure I dislike white more than red.

@Kipper: Daw... dem eyeballs :P

@Cao: Mind telling a bit about that fic? Sounds interesting actually. (the Scoot+Bloom watch r rated movie)

@Kipper: Well, while I can admit Psycho does bang a few young teens, she never does children, nor kills any children. But quite sure they're not very comparable anyhow hehe. And eh, you know me, as long as there's some resemblance of balance in your fic, I don't really mind that much.

Reading the later reply too, I can say that is a pretty much impossible scenario. A "normal" ghoul could possibly do it. But as said, feral ghouls are all (to the knowledge) castrated/sterile, and their genitals can have fallen off with quite likely probability. (seeing how that is a likely probability for ghouls) Along with other reasons, such as their blood. Ferals are only driven by killing instinct more or less. So yeah, it's about as likely as we are to see a ~5 year old child or an eunuch go on a raping spree since "they got horny". And combine that with stallions being semi-erect, added up with ghouls weakened muscle structure, and the fact she likely wasn't erect, (since it sounded like it was a her, then again, it's always a "her" unless stated otherwise) and you basically got someone forcefully trying to shove a banana peel into the opening of a empty coke bottle. More or less... added with said coke bottle being shaken back and forth. So yeah... even as you said if it was one in the skvillion, it still seems very far fetched said feral would roll those ~7 natural 20's in a row to succeed with doing ALL of those improbable things at once. I mean heck, not to be like that, but even I have a more "realistic" and plausible scene where Psycho strangles/suffocates a pony in an unusual manner. But if going that his desire for sex was so strong it prevailed through all that, he must really have been a HUGE nymphomaniac slut when he was alive. But do keep in mind sex is not a primal urge for all, or even until a certain age. If going lore wise, there is a 2 % chance for a ghoul to NOT be castrated. Added up with a ~70 % chance to fail at conception despite not being neutered. And most things when castrated lose their primal urge for sex unless I am mistaken, since the hormones made for this to work, simply aren't produced anymore. Speaking of emotional and physical damage, I'm actually quite proud of myself with this fic, I managed to get a surprising about of "balance" in it, despite the fact it was just made to be a "counterpart" of "everything else". Heh, turns out my craving for balance is just too strong x3

[Kippershy]

I've marked your story on Read Later, Kip.

Also, is anyone here familiar with Gears of War? Because I have a question about that.

Why do barely any of their guns have stocks?

Not a big gun person, but I'm going to say this:

Because gears are fucking hardass and with all that armour, they don't even need to be precise with their shots. They're bound to be hit anyway so they rely on swarming tactics.


Also, cool, thank you!

[Frost]

I've marked your story on Read Later, Kip.

Also, is anyone here familiar with Gears of War? Because I have a question about that.

Why do barely any of their guns have stocks?

Not a big gun person, but I'm going to say this:

Because gears are fucking hardass and with all that armour, they don't even need to be precise with their shots. They're bound to be hit anyway so they rely on swarming tactics.


Also, cool, thank you!

You'd think with their enemies being numerous, their resources being scarce, and lots of their troops being far less homoerotic badass than Delta Squad, they'd want to ensure that their shots were accurate and every round counted.



@Monger I read the first few chapters of Camo's story. I have no doubt that may be some folks' think, it just wasn't my cup of tea. Gave an upvote anyway, though

[Kippershy]

@Kipper: Daw... dem eyeballs :P


@Kipper: Well, while I can admit Psycho does bang a few young teens, she never does children, nor kills any children. But quite sure they're not very comparable anyhow hehe. And eh, you know me, as long as there's some resemblance of balance in your fic, I don't really mind that much.

Reading the later reply too, I can say that is a pretty much impossible scenario. A "normal" ghoul could possibly do it. But as said, feral ghouls are all (to the knowledge) castrated/sterile, and their genitals can have fallen off with quite likely probability. (seeing how that is a likely probability for ghouls) Along with other reasons, such as their blood. Ferals are only driven by killing instinct more or less. So yeah, it's about as likely as we are to see a ~5 year old child or an eunuch go on a raping spree since "they got horny". And combine that with stallions being semi-erect, added up with ghouls weakened muscle structure, and the fact she likely wasn't erect, (since it sounded like it was a her, then again, it's always a "her" unless stated otherwise) and you basically got someone forcefully trying to shove a banana peel into the opening of a empty coke bottle. More or less... added with said coke bottle being shaken back and forth. So yeah... even as you said if it was one in the skvillion, it still seems very far fetched said feral would roll those ~7 natural 20's in a row to succeed with doing ALL of those improbable things at once. I mean heck, not to be like that, but even I have a more "realistic" and plausible scene where Psycho strangles/suffocates a pony in an unusual manner. But if going that his desire for sex was so strong it prevailed through all that, he must really have been a HUGE nymphomaniac slut when he was alive. But do keep in mind sex is not a primal urge for all, or even until a certain age. If going lore wise, there is a 2 % chance for a ghoul to NOT be castrated. Added up with a ~70 % chance to fail at conception despite not being neutered. And most things when castrated lose their primal urge for sex unless I am mistaken, since the hormones made for this to work, simply aren't produced anymore. Speaking of emotional and physical damage, I'm actually quite proud of myself with this fic, I managed to get a surprising about of "balance" in it, despite the fact it was just made to be a "counterpart" of "everything else". Heh, turns out my craving for balance is just too strong x3

Cute as hell huh? (eyeballs)

Just read the other point in your post, and I will admit, it is far fetched.
Part of it is shock factor rather than purely, logically thought out to make absolute sense and have a chance of it really happening.
However, that's where you have to take some things with a pinch of salt and writers licensing.

I know that in the real world, we wouldn't turn to ghouls and even if we did, there wouldn't ever be a ghoul that does all that.
Yes, it was a girl and yes, if we're going off real anatomy then he couldn't have penetrated her at all - but then, neither could have Blackjack been or really, almost any female by a male. (in terms of ponies.)

Writers licence allows us to bend the rules enough to make it fit in with what we consider normal, is all.
It's also what allows me to bend that rule to fit my purpose, as long as it's only the once.


The point of the story piece wasn't to be as accurate as possible, but to give Crimson something to really strike fear and hatred into his heart, especially for ghouls.
Blackjack and Littlepip have been pro ghoul, so I wanted to go opposite and make Crimson anti-ghoul.
Same with the execution matter.

Anyway, yeah, it's not accurate but it plays the role it's supposed to and gets the job done.

[O. Hinds]

Human anything in Equestria sounds terrible to me. Same with crossovers like you're all talking about. Themes are what's important, not just characters.

The Arrow 18 stuff is pretty good in my opinion.

[Caoimhe]

Human in Equestria stuff is weird to me because ponies ARE humans. They have different abilities and stuff but the core of it is that the characters in the universe are supposed to represent us and therefore we are meant to identify with them. Adding human beings to it therefore "others" FiM species in such a way that makes it silly and forces the reader to lose that identification barrier. Basically you therefore get a lot of poorly done race relations stuff or you single out human beings to be stereotypes.

I don't see how it can work and it just fractures the enjoyment of the medium of ponyfics.

[Kippershy]

Human in Equestria stuff is weird to me because ponies ARE humans. They have different abilities and stuff but the core of it is that the characters in the universe are supposed to represent us and therefore we are meant to identify with them. Adding human beings to it therefore "others" FiM species in such a way that makes it silly and forces the reader to lose that identification barrier. Basically you therefore get a lot of poorly done race relations stuff or you single out human beings to be stereotypes.

I don't see how it can work and it just fractures the enjoyment of the medium of ponyfics.

I'm writing a HiE fic with the theme of a human having to come to terms with the fact he will never return home and accepting what he has to live with.

What do you think of that idea?

[Stringtheory]

Human in Equestria stuff is weird to me because ponies ARE humans. They have different abilities and stuff but the core of it is that the characters in the universe are supposed to represent us and therefore we are meant to identify with them. Adding human beings to it therefore "others" FiM species in such a way that makes it silly and forces the reader to lose that identification barrier. Basically you therefore get a lot of poorly done race relations stuff or you single out human beings to be stereotypes.

I don't see how it can work and it just fractures the enjoyment of the medium of ponyfics.

I'm writing a HiE fic with the theme of a human having to come to terms with the fact he will never return home and accepting what he has to live with.

What do you think of that idea?

pretty sure it's been done already, would you like it in 'human transformed into pony/other sentient' flavor or 'remains human' flavor? (can't remember any names, and don't have the time to find some right now)

[Kippershy]

Human in Equestria stuff is weird to me because ponies ARE humans. They have different abilities and stuff but the core of it is that the characters in the universe are supposed to represent us and therefore we are meant to identify with them. Adding human beings to it therefore "others" FiM species in such a way that makes it silly and forces the reader to lose that identification barrier. Basically you therefore get a lot of poorly done race relations stuff or you single out human beings to be stereotypes.

I don't see how it can work and it just fractures the enjoyment of the medium of ponyfics.

I'm writing a HiE fic with the theme of a human having to come to terms with the fact he will never return home and accepting what he has to live with.

What do you think of that idea?

pretty sure it's been done already, would you like it in 'human transformed into pony/other sentient' flavor or 'remains human' flavor? (can't remember any names, and don't have the time to find some right now)

Oh, I know it's been done already, no doubt. Still, I came up with the idea and thought it'd be funny to do as a challenge to myself.
It's gotten some decent response so far, even getting followers when I haven't updated in a while.

[Frost]

I dislike most non-crossover HiE's because most of them end up being a big pile of steaming misanthropy, with the main character saying Earth is an utter hellhole and turning Equestria into a grade-A Mary Suetopia utterly free of things like industrialization (not necessarily a bad thing and is shown to happen) war (shown to have happened in the past) and social problems (elitist upper class is shown, and some lower class seem to be uneducated)

Averting this is why Article 2 is one of my favorites

[Valikdu]

Speaking of fanfics, there's moar good crossovers that I found.

Fusion:
-Deus Ex: Equine Revolution - Bon Bon never asked for this.
-Renegade - Mass Effect + C&C.

Not fusion:
-Drift - Cameron Philips [Terminator: TSCC] was included into Illusive Man's recruitment list for Shepard.
-The God of Death - a Raven Guard Space Marine is stranded in Azeroth. [abandoned]

[Frost]

I heard of a Fusion fic (name escapes me) wherein Master Chief awakens aboard the Forward Unto Dawn.... Into the Mass Effect universe.

[Kippershy]

Oh god, the memories of something I just looked back on out of curiosity.
Found this.

[IncoherentOrange]

ARTICLE 2 is one of the stories that got me into fanfiction, and has contributed to my inspiration pool. It felt fairly nice to receive a comment on my story calling it "ARTICLE 2, now with more humans!" and "quite a suitable replacement" for it. Someone else called it their "Favorite fanfic ever." I'm fairly sure his standards are fairly low.

It's always been a goal of mine as an author to avert misanthropy without ignoring the facts, when dealing with humans, unless in specific situations, like a Warhammer 40K crossover, in which humans really are bastards, and not being a bastard is heresy.

[O. Hinds]

Human in Equestria stuff is weird to me because ponies ARE humans. They have different abilities and stuff but the core of it is that the characters in the universe are supposed to represent us and therefore we are meant to identify with them. Adding human beings to it therefore "others" FiM species in such a way that makes it silly and forces the reader to lose that identification barrier. Basically you therefore get a lot of poorly done race relations stuff or you single out human beings to be stereotypes.

I don't see how it can work and it just fractures the enjoyment of the medium of ponyfics.

Fascinating. Am I correctly understanding that you dislike the HiE concept because you view humans and ponies as too similar for it to work? Or... In general, please elabortate; I tend to avoid HiE stories because of all the really, really badly written ones out there, but your thoughts against the concept itself intrigue me.

[IncoherentOrange]

I also believe that humans and ponies are fundamentally very similar. It's the world that's really different between them, and what should be explored most in a story regarding contact between the two species, not the differences in what they themselves are. Sure, they should be mentioned and perhaps discussed, but the main point should be the world.

[Ironmonger]

I don't have a problem with HiE concepts/stories because I look at everything from a scientific point of view, to me it's just two biologically different creatures meeting. Culture shock is fascinating to me.

[Ironmonger]

[Valikdu]

[Frost]

Pinkie Pie is Pyle

[Caoimhe]

Human in Equestria stuff is weird to me because ponies ARE humans. They have different abilities and stuff but the core of it is that the characters in the universe are supposed to represent us and therefore we are meant to identify with them. Adding human beings to it therefore "others" FiM species in such a way that makes it silly and forces the reader to lose that identification barrier. Basically you therefore get a lot of poorly done race relations stuff or you single out human beings to be stereotypes.

I don't see how it can work and it just fractures the enjoyment of the medium of ponyfics.

Fascinating. Am I correctly understanding that you dislike the HiE concept because you view humans and ponies as too similar for it to work? Or... In general, please elabortate; I tend to avoid HiE stories because of all the really, really badly written ones out there, but your thoughts against the concept itself intrigue me.

It has to do with how I view anthropomorphic characters (from the strict view of animals with human characteristics) in situations like this. I find that when your main identifying group are human transplants, they become the identifying archetypes you're supposed to relate to. Adding an actual human being therefore makes the main species (ponies in this case), alien. This could also be the reverse depending on where the point of view of the fiction is coming from. This ends up distorting the themes of the story subconsciously and most writers don't know how to handle it.

This could be doable if FiM had human characters to start with, but it doesn't and was never intended to be written that way. The ponies and other species ARE us. Adding humans "others" both groups simultaneously and we have to address their differences more than, say, adding sentient deer or wolves or some other species. We can assume more easily there are other sentient animals when the dominant species is a relatable animal. Humans are much too out of place to exist in this universe to be digestible to readers since everything they embody already exists.

Really think about what fundamental differences people have from ponies within ponyverse. There really isn't anything on a character level. So many stories focus on the negative, misanthropic aspects of each because of the lack of differentiation, so you either end up with horrible racist undertones or self insertion style crap that never ever works well.

If you want to write about aliens and the struggle to relate, make them aliens. Don't make them people.

Edit: The writing of FiM is praised so much because the characters seem realistic, are relatable and deal with human issues. This makes them human so adding actual humans does nothing at all.

Edit2: I find human pony art to be "uncomfortable" and sometimes "offensive" for the same reason. Sure the interpretation is fun, but it essentially eliminates the core aspect of what makes pony enjoyable.

By the same token, it's another reason why I find My Little Dashie to be the biggest piece of garbage ever unleashed on the fandom, even moreso than Cupcakes. Beyond it being a creepy manic depressive's cry for help and justification of extreme escapism, I hate that some people fucking LOVE it for reasons they're too ignorant to realize. It's detestable on so many levels.

[Ironmonger]

My Little Dashie was the first fic I read I think. Made me depressed for an hour before I said "fuck not given time for some Medieval Total War"

I don't mind some HiE fics because sometimes they are interesting enough to make me not care about the fact it's a modern human in Equestria. I'm not usually someone who sits here and thinks "this is wrong" constantly unless it has to do with technology and warfare.

Frost and I have an idea for our story that involves humans but we took everything away from them that would make them socially similar to real humans. They are essentially aliens. That is all I will say.

[Frost]

My Little Dashie was, simply put, a load of shit. It was insanely melodramatic and ended sadly despite there being no need to (the Princess can now travel between worlds, taking various entities with her. Taking the "dad" for visits now and again isn't done..... Why?) and the premise to begone is grown-worthy: sad, friendless girl man finds a lost puppy pony and raises it, only to have it taken away. Whoop-didy freakin' do. There's no actual conflict, just overly dramatic shit for the sake of jerking tears out of bleeding-heart little shits.

[Caoimhe]

I think My Little Dashie is dangerous to severely depressed people because it relishes in fantasy escapism rather than confronting problems.

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