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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Dutcher Mon May 12, 2014 3:33 pm
We'll I don't really mind if somber even notice the story, I just thought it would be kinda cool if Somber made a little reference to something one of the users here wrote.
Icy Shake wrote:Thanks, swicked. Added.swicked wrote:I'll post here the stuff you're missing, at least as much as has been posted to my deviantart.Icy Shake wrote:It is now. Roughly, it's in blog format, with page breaks between (what I believe were) separate instances of him publishing them, in reverse chronological order.Meleagridis wrote:Any chance that’s a publicly viewable gdocs file or something?Icy Shake wrote:hell, I love your sketches and have made a habit of saving them off to a readily accessible file.
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I never really realized I'd written so much stupid stuff. I wonder how long they'd be if it was all converted it all into PH-style writing.I wasn't trying to imply that, more that there could be a degree of vagueness due to those on the other end not being ponies, and thinking very differently. Possibly there could be flaws in the channel itself that leave things fuzzy. Such is the way of prophesy, and this was most certainly a prophetic interaction, if in the speaking with gods sense rather than predicting the future sens. I was just saying that he's used to this kind of thing, but may have fallen prey to a cognitive bias in favor of hearing what he wanted to hear at a crucial time, and taking it too far.SilentCarto wrote:Well, that sort of implies that the evil stars were actively trying to to screw him over with a cryptic answer. I would think, instead, that they were saying, "Look, she's mindless, and you just blew up her brain. There's this tiny little chance that she could be recovered if all these horrible people manage to work together, and each of them are willing to sacrifice their lives for this, and then she manages to beat up a guy in power armor with her bare hooves. Which, of course, is the kind of unlikely chain of events that Discord is all about.Icy Shake wrote:Perhaps more surprising was Amadi. In particular, his interpretation of the stars' message was plausible, and I'd normally think little of it. But he's got a thing about prophesy and should have known to be more skeptical, more thorough. And yet I can see why it happens, with him interpreting the message to mean what he wanted to hear after waiting so long.
I sort of have this mental image of Dawn and Snips behind the computer while Cogs tries to fire Horizons, looking at each and other going, "Wow, we really fucked up, huh?"Somber plz. pls dont.Meleagridis wrote:Start a petition. Bunch of signatures and a donation.Dutcher wrote:
Somber plz
Or: keep it minimal, like a radroad scurrying away if and when Blackjack finds the sword again. Subtle, like the Pink Eyes reference in chapter thirty four.I largely agree here. I'd add, though, that in addition to her name-by-choice, there's the name she earned, and the name of the legend—Security—that could also be seen as more real than her given name, if not in my opinion as real as "Blackjack."Scienza wrote:But Blackjack did earn her cutie mark while playing blackjack, so it makes sense that it would be specific to the game...Rayndalf wrote:As others have pointed out, Blackjacks real name is Go Fish, and those two cards have no meaning in a game of go fishChapter 65 wrote:"But victory is branded on your flanks for all to see. A winning pair, impossible to beat in the game of Blackjack.”
As for the name thing, I'm going to dispute that Go Fish is her "real" name. It's her given name, but that doesn't necessarily make it any more real. "Blackjack" is more than just a pseudonym that Go Fish hides behind, it's the mare's identity, how she perceives herself and constructs her perceptions. "Blackjack" is a truer name than "Go Fish", which is why it completely replaced the other in her internal perceptions. Compare it to Morning/Fallen Glory, where she was still just Morning trying to be Fallen.I'd argue against the "emptying hand" point, on the basis that that seems, to me, to require not merely losing her old cutie mark, but gaining a new one which is an empty hand (and thus potentially blank, but that strikes me as a silly cutie mark).Last wrote:Scienza wrote:But Blackjack did earn her cutie mark while playing blackjack, so it makes sense that it would be specific to the game...Rayndalf wrote:As others have pointed out, Blackjacks real name is Go Fish, and those two cards have no meaning in a game of go fishChapter 65 wrote:"But victory is branded on your flanks for all to see. A winning pair, impossible to beat in the game of Blackjack.”
As for the name thing, I'm going to dispute that Go Fish is her "real" name. It's her given name, but that doesn't necessarily make it any more real. "Blackjack" is more than just a pseudonym that Go Fish hides behind, it's the mare's identity, how she perceives herself and constructs her perceptions. "Blackjack" is a truer name than "Go Fish", which is why it completely replaced the other in her internal perceptions. Compare it to Morning/Fallen Glory, where she was still just Morning trying to be Fallen.
Not trying to dispute, but while it may not be true I thought the Go Fish idea was neat. If only because if that is the case BJ got rid of her hand. In the context of that game near victory has become victory.
Also Go Fish makes more sense with the cutie mark. She got that mark when she witnessed a filly being destroyed by malfuctioning door, if she believes she could have done something to save her (Can't remember when she mentioned it if she expressed that or not) that near victory of being able to save the filly seems like the much more significant event than the card game. Especially if they had played the game before then, given that they live in a stable I imagine the number of things they could do was pretty limited.
When did she adopt the name? Maybe that's why BJ did adopt it, guilt over her inaction.
Probably wrong, but it's kind of a neat thought.
That said, I'm very hesitant to take Cognitum's interpretation of Blackjack's cutie mark at face value. While I do think it's what she believes, she doesn't know all the details, like the possibility that Blackjack took her name after her mark, much less the details of how she got it. Why, I'd say that at that point Luna's disembodied soul probably knew better than Cognitum did what its meaning was, on the basis of her short dream visit.
As for the "Hatches" story, there really isn't much detail—so we aren't too far off from Cognitum's situation in that respect. But we do know everyone was too shell-shocked to even get up to do anything.And I don't think it's entirely clear when she started calling herself "Blackjack." All there really is to go on is a memory when she's in class and insisting on being called "Blackjack," but there's no mention of either a presence or absence of a cutie mark or whether this was pre- or post-Hatches.Chapter Fifteen wrote:Once upon a time, when I was just a filly, my flank was blank, and then one day it wasn’t anymore. Rivets had inherited a deck of cards from her mother, and we were playing blackjack, the only card game my feeble math skills could handle. Rivets, Daisy, Marmalade, Hatches, and I were sitting around a table in a storeroom, drinking synthetic apple juice and betting impossible sums with nuts, bolts, screws, and the occasional actual old bit. We were having a great time.
Then Hatches had to go pee. The door of the storeroom was like most: a pair of metal plates slid up and down by an electric motor connected to a button. She’d pressed that and started through. There had been a short, and the door had closed on her, the large, heavy slab falling from above and the smaller sheet being pushed up from below, with her body in the middle. A horrible snapping sound, then the mechanism had caught and the door opened again. Over in a second. We’d just watched, stunned, as she kept walking on shaking limbs. She’d reached the stairs before she crumpled and died two minutes later. We still just watched, too shocked to even move.
Did I mention that we only started calling her Hatches after she was crushed?
- Chapter Forty Five Running Thoughts:
I'll give him that he has some self control, sometimes, but especially in retrospect all his good qualities seem to manifest best when he's already ahead and leave him—or at best are there, but can't be capitalized on—when he's not already in pretty good control of the situation (oh, and his arrogance and ego cause him to make stupid mistakes even when he is ahead). I guess what I'm saying is that, even ignoring his habit of backstabbing, I might like him as a starter or closer, but I'd rather not rely on him to dig out of a tough situation.
Of course, the dimness wouldn’t do us that much good; one look at his E.F.S. would tell him where we were.
Or would it? My E.F.S. was useless with all the spritebots milling around; his couldn’t be much better.
Ah, but would they be red to him? I could see it working either way, in part depending on the situation. After all, P-21 didn't see any yellow by the end in 99, even among the males.
Suddenly, sooty orange flames sprayed out in burning plumes that engulfed the spritebots. Dozens crackled and died by the second, their wings disintegrating in a shower of embers and their round bodies popping explosively. More rushed in to attack fruitlessly and met the same fate.
Well, they're red now.
“We’re at Goldenblood’s house. I found it. But we’re about to be attacked by Steel Rangers and I need a back door out of this place.”
“What?” His eyes widened. “How’d they get through the shield? Only designated ministry ponies can pass.”
“Maybe he’s got an Apple relative with him,” I countered. Heck, for all I knew Steel Rain himself could be a member of the family, maybe a descendant of Braeburn. Wouldn’t surprise me. “However they’re here, they’re here, and we need to not be.”
He closed his eyes a moment. “I really hoped you wouldn’t destroy it. Fluttershy loved that house.”
Ah, but was he talking to Blackjack, or Cognitum? Bear in mind, even to this point Blackjack hasn't done anything to destroy is and explicitly asked for a back door.
“The T-51 armor has a serious spark vulnerability. It was something they were addressing in the T-54 models, but those never reached deployment.
Interesting. I guess those improvements didn't get incorporated in Steelpony.
Celestia, how did he do the Look? It was like finding out Mom had spied on me fooling around. And Duct Tape had been so embarrassed too.
So it's a habit that runs in the family.
I was about to ask why when a patter of spritebot parts against the window reminded us both that this was not the time. “The charge will build up till the crystals explode and let out a spark pulse. Then you run for your life.”
Okay, so at least Blackjack is presumably okay from spark pulses, or I suppose recovers faster. But weren't Lighthooves's cyberponies based on the same model, and very vulnerable? Maybe Dealer just doesn't know.
“Can you squeeze through there?” Maybe if he took off his armor… The batpony just snorted and waved his hoof dismissively as he nodded. “Okay. Make it overload and get clear.” And please don’t die.
He struck another noble pose, and I gave him a hug before turning to my saddlebags. “Take care of your--“ I said, then looked up for a moment. He was gone. “Self?”
I peeked through the open panel and saw him standing on the far side next to some equipment. Wow. I knew he was flexible, but…
Ah yes, the shadow jumping. Useful trick there.
I pulled out Vigilance, loaded the magazines with armor piercing rounds, and set the weapon on the kitchen island. Next the sword. The Ranger armor had all kinds of hoses and the like that I could target. Then the shotgun. I fished out every blue spark round I had and alternated them with explosive slugs. Hopefully I’d have a weapon left after this. Finally Duty and Sacrifice; well, they might be better than nothing.
Good arsenal there, and planning out how to deal with a particular enemy set is always a nice touch. I have to think D&S would be quite a bit better than nothing: .45-70 ammo is serious stuff, entirely appropriate for big game hunting. Of course, without armor piercing bullets, that might not matter too much.
The explosive rounds blackened the metal and nothing else, and the spark rounds crackled over the armor but weren’t enough to shut it down.
So it looks like either a number of rounds are needed, or something at least as strong as a spark grenade.
Of course, it didn’t do anything, but the smoking cloud obscured his vision enough that when he painted the wall with a second sheet of flame, his stream went high and wide; I was on my hooves and running, trailing a cloud of embers behind me.
Must still be a bunch of spritebots or other interference outside, or the EFS would have been enough.
I backflipped away like a zebra -- and how in Equestria did my body pull that off?! -- just before the floor erupted in a burst of small explosions.
Well, presumably at the least the augmentations were made with that in mind, given Silver Stripe's background.
Wait. Where was Steel Rain? I looked around, and a tiny pink pony in my mind held a little felt (...felt?) arrow pointing at a red bar over in the workshop next door.
Why there and not really before or since? What's the connection? Is Pinkie felt as well, or just the arrow? Weird. But then, a lot of things in Blackjack's mind are.
I stared into his glowing eye panels and floated Vigilance up. Point blank, I emptied the remainder of the clip into his head.
I think I cracked the eye visor for my trouble. What, was his armor even tougher than the standard model?!
I'm a little disappointed in this, given the earlier planning out. Especially having seen the minimal effect of the guns, I'd have thought she'd switch to the sword by then.
‘Something’ came in the form of the sword. I slashed at his neck, but though the edge was magically sharp and it did cut a line in his metal, it was far too little.
Okay, that was a quick switch. And I'll grant that the position she's in isn't conducive to choosing her targets very well, so going for the neck instead of hoses and wires doesn't seem too out of place.
I felt my vision start to go black. Then I slashed at the hoses leading towards the muzzle of his armor. The thick rubber, likely resistant to normal damage, parted under the sword’s edge like warm butter. I had no idea what harm I’d done to him, but hopefully it was something. I sliced the other one for good measure.
Maybe that wasn't it after all. But I guess I can't fault trying and hoping the direct approach worked out well.
“This is Blackjack. I need help. Please. I’m by Black Pony Mountain. Please, I need help now.” I could only pray that the Seekers didn’t know Blackjack was Security.
Well, know you were Blackjack or recognize your voice.
Four of them just displayed the O.I.A. logo: six circles with a ministry symbol inside each arranged in a ring surrounding an encircled moon. I noticed now how each ministry was cut off from the others, and from the central circle, linked only by the twisting lines. As if the O.I.A. wasn’t to bring the ministries together at all...
Well, you can't just not do symbolic imagery in Equestria. And it's less obvious than some choices.
I stared at the screen for almost a minute. I swallowed as I stared at the Y button. Wow... all I needed was to push one little button, and I’d know exactly what Goldenblood had planned. Just... just push the button... I almost did. I even moved my hoof over it... and a few weeks ago, I would have. But... I knew better. As much as I wanted to know what Horizons was, I didn’t want to find out the reckless way, just in case Sanguine was right and it blew up half the Hoof. I typed ‘N’ and hit enter.
Good call.
> I KNOW YOU’RE IN A BAD WAY RIGHT NOW, BLACKJACK.
I stared at the screen as a shocked stillness spread through me, raised a hoof toward the keys, and then slowly pulled it away.
> I KNOW YOU’RE HURT, FRUSTRATED, AND TIRED. YOU’VE BEEN THROUGH SO MUCH. MORE THAN ANYPONY HAS A RIGHT TO. THEN YOU STAND UP ON YOUR HOOVES AND MARCH ON. BECAUSE YOU CAN. BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO.
I sat back, and for a moment there was no Steel Rain. No impending panic or terror or frustration.
> I PRAY THAT YOU CAN ACHIEVE WHAT THE MINISTRIES FAILED TO DO TWO CENTURIES AGO. I HOPE THAT YOU CAN, BECAUSE SOMEPONY MUST. THE SINS OF THE PAST MUST BE ACCOUNTED FOR. THE MISTAKES MUST BE CORRECTED. ATONEMENT MUST BE PAID. EQUESTRIA NEEDS A SECOND CHANCE. RIGHT NOW, YOU AND OTHERS ARE CREATING THAT SECOND CHANCE. DON’T GIVE UP. I BELIEVE IN YOU, AND I KNOW YOU CAN DO IT.
>SPIKE
I stared at the screen for almost a minute, fully numb. Then the text disappeared, only to be replaced by:
>HIDE.
As I recall, Spike denies having sent these. I believe the current theory is that it's Goldenblood? The failure/second chance bit sounds like him. I suppose his knowledge could be through a combination of spyware, reporting, and Dealer (depending).
“Wait… this is a trap!” As he shouted, the schematics disappeared, replaced by the picture of a very ugly mule presenting his posterior, grinning as he looked back over his shoulder. There was a hiss and a pop as four turrets dropped from the ceiling, another four shot up from the ground, and all eight proceeded to pummel the pair with heavy machinegun fire!
I ran for the stairs; as much as I’d like to stay and finish him off, even one hit from those cannons would paste both of us.
/Akbar. Also, it's always a good sign when your security measures are clearly designed to go against SWAT teams and the military. Though I guess it could be legit in his case, because of zebra infiltrators or the like.
Then suddenly Stygius wasn’t above me anymore. The armored batpony disappeared, reappearing over Missile’s head. What was that?! Had he just teleported?
And she catches on in what I think was the third instance. Too bad it took her seeing it actually happen. Would have been fun if she puzzled it out on her own.
“Oh come on!” I shouted as I pointed my shotgun at her and unloaded four rounds before I realized something was wrong. She wasn’t defending herself. Hell, she wasn’t even armed; what sort of Steel Ranger wasn’t armed? She just stood there. Was there anypony actually inside this thing? The armor moved, tracking me… so there did have to be somepony in there. But wh--
Point of contact with the Harbingers?
“The T-51 armor has a nasty vulnerability to spark discharges,” I said with a grin. Then I glanced at the corner of the house, where things were glowing and crackling, and then back to him. Standing on the porch, the three glanced at each other. “A discharge… like the one that needs to happen… right now!” Still nothing. The three looked right at me, weapons trained. I sighed and sat, throwing my hooves wide. “I give up. You win,” I said in disgust at whatever higher power had missed the perfect chance to blow the generator. “You may now proceed with the gloating and the explanation of your nefarious plot.” Maybe humor would buy me the time I needed?
But Steel Rain wasn’t in a particularly expository mood. All three pointed their weapons at me. “Try not to scrap the leg.”
“Death from above!” came a scream. The Steel Rangers looked up in time to receive a faceful of Rampage. The striped mare smashed into the trio like a wrecking ball.
I like the fakeout. Set up the spark blast, and even indicate it's nearing its end, and then save with deus ex Rampage. Sure, there was the call for help, but that didn't feel like a plan so much as a prayer.
“Damn it. I should let you die, Blackjack! I bet Rampage you’d be crying for help inside a day!” Psychoshy yelled as she darted down and smashed her hooves against Missile. The power hooves on the ends of her legs flashed, knocking the Ranger back through the door. “Now I got to pay this cunt a thousand caps that I don’t have! You owe me a thousand caps, Blackjack!”
In fairness, I don't think it was much longer than a day. Or did Psycho take the short end of the bet? That doesn't seem like her, though.
The mare swooped into the air in preparation for another dive and suddenly found herself face to face with the dusky Stygius. She froze hovering there as she stared into his eyes. “…me?”
Stygius blinked and then gave a small smile. I stared up at the two through the hazy, smoky air as the yellow pegasus actually blushed. She was fidgeting! Right now in the middle of a battle. “Um… hi,” she said as she looked at him. “I’m… ah…” and then she muttered something.
Well that was fast. Sure, there's the sudden shock of him just being there in her face. But still. Then again, she's still in her vulnerable stage, not knowing what to do, not long at all after losing Sanguine right on the heels of being soundly rejected by him.
“Hey!” Psychoshy’s wings snapped her into a dive that she pulled up from just in time to streak a foot above the ground. “I’m talking…” she screamed as she swooped up in an uppercut. “…to a really…” she continued as she rose up and smashed her rear hooves into Missile’s face. “…hot guy here!” The pegasus pirouetted in the air and brought her front hooves down on top of his head. “So piss off!” she finished as the Ranger collapsed in a heap. Then she darted back up to the stunned Stygius and said shyly, “So… ah… um… What’s your name?”
Oh, Psychoshy. You know how to make every day better.
Stygius jumped through the air, blinking short distances in flickers of shadow to move beneath her and catch her in his hooves. The tough mare turned even redder; fortunately, her embarrassment wasn’t going to last longer than a few more second--
Wait… what was that buzzing noise?
From the waterwheel area and the holes in the house’s walls came a blue glow and an increasingly sharp, crackling buzz. Even Steel Rain paused, looking towards the source of the sound. Then everything went white.
And it's there now. And clearly Dealer was playing misdirection or wasn't aware of Blackjack's own vulnerability. Or perhaps it's at just the right place where he was counting on her being able to reset herself, where the Rangers couldn't.
“I tell you, something is going on. I heard Stable-Tec put out a priority alert!” the green stallion said cautiously. “You have to admit it, Pokey. This last week has been weird.”
“Don’t give me more of your conspiracy theories, Evergreen. If you tell me one more story of secret O.I.A. plots, space aliens abducting ponies, or zebra death curses, I swear I’m going to scream,” the blue buck said with a roll of his eyes.
Oh, irony.
“You there! Halt! Who--” a mare in a maintenance suit shouted. Without hesitating, without even thinking about it, I drew my IF-44 submachine gun and put a three round burst in her chest. A curious hollowness filled me as I trotted over her body and walked to the door, entering a security bypass password that opened to a tunnel filled with magical radiation, reeking smoke, and screams. It was a promise of what was to come if I did not serve and receive absolution for my sins.
There was a lot of good stuff in the Psalm dream, including other great scenery. But I think this at the end was my favorite.
Also: pony hell.
I closed my eyes and tried to think a moment though the staticy, scratchy feeling in my head. Another dream of the black mare. A mare who by now I had a sneaking suspicion was Psalm. Between that dream I had in the canyon, the vision of her in the war room, and what I’d seen just now... it was too much to be a coincidence. The thing was, I had no idea why I would have a Marauder in my dreams. The one back in Goldenblood’s house had been a lot more abstract and... dream-ish than this one, as if my brain was trying to do... something! It was like Psalm herself been put inside me; more than just a memory orb. Unicorn magic could extract memories from other ponies; could it also put memories into another pony? Triage had warned me that mucking around with memories was dangerous...
Figured it out quickly. But I'm still not sure about the valley dream. It wasn't the first, not by a long shot. So why was one somewhere in the middle messed up like that?
“Exausted. Tired. Frustrated she couldn’t help you. Scared to death you were angry with her,” Rampage said in quiet but firm tones. “She’s worried you blame her for bringing you back like this.” I didn’t reply, and she asked evenly, “Do you?”
I sighed. “A little. I mean, yeah… death would have been worse. But… yeah. A little stupid part of me is mad that I didn’t get a choice in it. In any of it.” I rolled upright, looking at the flames. “But… that’s life, isn’t it? It’s not what happens to you. It’s how you deal with it. And I’ve been dealing by shoving my head up my ass, looking for things to shoot or run away from.”
I am glad this was ultimately touched on, but it did seem to be tossed to the side quickly to make room for Dawn and I don't know if it ever really came around again.
Rampage paused, as if trying to figure out how to break something terrible to me. “Blackjack… Glory is your special somepony, right?” I nodded. “How could you do this to her?” Rampage asked, looking concerned.
“How could I do what to her?” I asked as I looked from one to the other. “I had sex with him. And... I was able to do it without killing him. I mean… Rampage… I kept myself under control the whole time!” I gave a crooked smile to the striped mare who just stared in shock. My smile became a little more uncertain. “Isn’t that a good thing?”
“I… but… You…” she stammered in agitation, her hooves waving in the air... and then suddenly she smiled. “You know what… I’m just going to step out of this sticky little detail, ‘kay? This is something that is between you and Glory, and I’ll just be watching on the sidelines… with popcorn.” Psychoshy gave a scornful snort and looked away.
I love this plot line. Among other things, it's one of the few cases where there really seem to be major cultural rifts between the different groups after the apocalypse that go beyond specializations and policies.
Blackjack's whole broadcast to Glory and the rest is nice, showing some real maturity that is a powerful contrast to her early days out of the stable, and so much the more to before she left.
“Then you better get better, Blackjack. Quick. You’re supposed to be one of the good ponies. But running off... killing a kid... fucking a guy behind Glory’s back? Fuck, it hasn’t even been a day and you do all that?”
Whoa, so it was all less than a day? And Psychoshy was the one betting Blackjack would last longer? I would have thought Rampage would be the one with a little more confidence in her friend.
“Please… I don’t want to be here. Please…” she begged, shaking her head slowly.
“It’s okay, Twist. I won’t keep you long. But I need to ask you a question about Psalm. Your friend?” I said in low, careful tones.
“Psalm…” She closed her eyes, her smile vanishing. “She wasn’t my friend. Not after Shattered Hoof and Big Macintosh.” Now there was clear anger in her pink eyes, but she just sighed. “What do you want to know about her?”
So, was it just that they all broke apart, or did the whole unit know what really happened?
“There wasn’t anything anypony could do. And Psalm… I never saw her after that day except for one time when she was packing up her gear at Miramare. Didn’t say a word. Just… left.”
I walked up beside her. “She was obsessed with Luna forgiving her,” I replied as I brushed her mane out of her face. Stygius and Lacunae trotted in, and the batpony looked at Rampage in concern. Lacuane simply stared out the window.
Just letting it sit there. Like Lacunae does.
“So... I got to ask. Can you... um...” I looked at Lacunae and then back at him. “Teleport?”
He blinked then grinned.
I forget. Was Lacunae's telepathy only with Blackjack, or did it extend to everyone else, too? If so, you'd think that would be an option to make communication with Stygius easier.
“And how is the Goddess today?” I asked as I looked at Lacunae, trying to change the subject given the wariness spreading on Stygius’ face.
She glared flatly back at me. “Do not patronize the Goddess, Blackjack. The Goddess knows that we will never truly be allies, as you failed to deliver Chimera to the Goddess as promised.” She gave a rather bitchy little smirk. “However, the Goddess finds your troubles and travails quite a welcome distraction from the Goddess’s grand designs and so permits this one to continue to accompany you. The Goddess looks forward with great anticipation to your reunion with Morning Glory.”
Is the Goddess cruise control for humor? I think she might be.
I had an image of a great big alicorn beast in a fuzzy pink robe and hoofslippers sitting on a couch with a huge tub of popcorn, watching a terminal of me getting shot up on a daily basis. ...Okay, I supposed that would be pretty entertaining.
Increment the complementing your own story within the story counter. : D
Twist doesn’t know what happened to her, and from my dreams she must have died two centuries ago.” Then I paused and snorted in disgruntlement. “Then again, between Twist, Doof, and Brass, I guess I shouldn’t count anything out.”
And Stonewing. Applebot, as far as she knows. Silver Stripe.
“Look at it this way, Blackjack: now you’ll get to be an undead cyber unicorn pony.”
Please, like she isn't already.
“Does he make you all wet and juicy?” Rampage smirked. Psychoshy flushed and scowled back as the striped mare nickered. “He sure makes me want to ride his pony stick.”
“Back of the line-” Psychoshy started to say. Then Rampage hugged her arms around the pegasus’ neck and gave an immense heave, swinging her in an arc and slamming her flat on her back on the crumbling asphalt. Rampage put her hooves on her splayed-out wings, pinning them to the earth.
“I set the fucking line! You think you’re a badass, don’t you, Psychoshy?” Rampage shouted in her face. “You’re nothing. You are fucking nothing but a scared little feathercunt! In the Tower, I knew mares that’d carve off your wings and make you their earth pony bitch! You think Wasteland ponies are fucking mean? You think rape and murder is bad? I was locked up with fucking mares that had nothing else to do but think of ways to hurt each other. Killing was for when they got bored or annoyed. You are fucking nothing compared to them! A scared little yellow fuckpony!” she screamed into Psychoshy’s wide eyes.
Intense.
“Hey, it’s alright...” I said gently to her, reaching out a hoof as she trembled.
“No, Blackjack. It’s not fucking alright!” she said as she whirled at me, tears in her eyes. “I used to never be afraid of anything! I could kick anypony’s ass whenever I wanted. I beat you! I was never afraid. Never! Now... now I’m scared of everything! And I’ve got you pitying me! Don’t you get it?” She sobbed, grimacing. “I would have rather have died than... than that!!”
“I’m sorry,” I murmured as I said next to her.
It's nice that Psycho gets happier. It's too bad we missed so much of the process, though.
“I found out some things, Psychoshy. About you. Your mom and dad. I know... I know it probably doesn’t matter, but they loved you very much. When they thought you were lost, it nearly broke both of them. They were going to name you Whisper.”
She lifted her head and looked at me with a teary eye and gave a little hiccup and sniff. Finally she muttered thickly, “That’s a fucking horrible name.”
“Better than Go Fish,” I replied. That actually got a smile out of her.
She sniffed and rubbed her eyes. “Fuck... I can’t believe you actually made me cry. Badasses aren’t supposed to cry. You never cry,” she muttered.
Ha ha ha ha ha! That's priceless!
“Psychoshy’s a stupid name, too... and calling myself Fluttershy. I just... everypony loved her. I just wanted that.” She looked at her flank. “Stupid cutie mark. Who wants to like a mare with that on her flank...”
I had to admit, it wasn’t a mark that suggested good interpersonal skills. “We are what we choose to be,” Lacunae said softly as the doors to processing began to bang and thump.
Kind of ironic, coming from her. “I am as I always will and can only be,” earlier this chapter. Of course, there were some choices involved, but I'm not sure she really believes there are any left before her.
I wondered if LittlePip had to deal with interpersonal problems as well as massive world shaping ones. Seemed like I just collected problems all over the place.
But how can you fix all the problems in the world if you don't first collect them?
‘We’re sick and running out of food. We can still hear screams and alarms from the prison. The warden has it all on lockdown. They’re going to die. We’re all going to die. Luna and Celestia are dead. It’s the end of the world. The fat one asked to be let back inside but it’s too late. I don’t even know how he got out. Even if we could extend the bridge, the systems would kill him before he reached the prison building. I’m so sorry, Russet. I hope you and Daddy are safe in Hoofington. Mommy won’t be coming home from work, but she loves you.’
Not a bad suicide note, but no Vanity. Snails, is that you?
“We could always go to Meatlocker,” Psychoshy suggested.
“Don’t think you noticed, but none of us are ghouls,” Rampage retorted.
The yellow mare stood. “You don’t have to be a ghoul to get in. I went there a couple of times with Sanguine, and they were fine with me. You just have to not be a jerk. That’s all.”
Psychoshy: you just have to not be a jerk. So how did you manage, again?
Also, I guess this indicates a significant difference in smell between standard and Canterlot ghouls, which makes sense.
“Oy! Willow! Breathers!” one shouted as he swiveled a machine gun towards us. Given the ruins around us and the fortified building, it’d be quite a trick to assault this place directly. Two others in battle saddles ran up to give him support.
“Are they wearing red or green or look like they’ll annoy the fuck out of me?” a mare called from inside the doors.
Well, Blackjack is good at annoying people when she wants to be.
“You’ve sure been nice to Psychoshy,” Rampage observed as she trotted along at my side. “Any reason?”
“Can’t I be nice to be nice?” I countered as I looked for a sign or some clue of where to go.
“Ordinarily I’d say no, but you’re weird like that,” Rampage admitted, and then asked with a little more concern, “You’re not doing it out of pity, are you?”
“What if I am? She’s miserable,” I said with a little frown.
“She deserves to be. Look, I know you forgive at the drop of a hat, but Psycho isn’t a good pony. She’s vain and selfish and she’s so full of hate right now. She hates you for killing Sanguine. She hates Sanguine for using her. She hates herself for being used. You need to be careful with her,” Rampage warned as she walked beside me. “She’s getting awfully attached to Stygius.”
“So what’s wrong with that? He’s a good guy. He helped me in the way I needed to be helped.” Which was apparently a problem for my friend given how she rolled her eyes. “He’ll help her too if he can.”
“Because now you’re done with him?” she said sharply, then groaned and shook her head. “Ugh, never mind. I said I’d drop it. Look, I’m going to go keep an eye on those two. If you’re going to ask about Hightower, find out from the mayor or somepony.” And then she was gone.
That's a really nice exchange, covering two different topics, which took basically no time to deliver. And it's nice when the therapist side of her shows through a bit. I think Doc Oc is one of my favorite Rampage personalities, even if it's not directly related. Does seem a little weird that she's more focused on Stygius than Boing at the moment, and is harsh on Psycho when Blackjack's hurt her more just now. But then I guess it's all related to needing Blackjack to be a good pony, where she just knows Psychoshy is a bad one.
“That, and I’ve asked her to let me,” she said in a gentle murmur. I flushed a bit, then looked back at her and smiled, giving her shoulder a thankful nudge. The light picked up quite a bit as we reached a pair of double doors marked ‘Emergency’.
You know, it occurs to me that Lacunae's response to the Stygius thing is much more muted than the others'. Partly it's probably due to her lower-key personality, but I now have to speculate that there were plenty of memories from ponies with events not too different in their lives forced into her. So perhaps she feels a greater degree of empathy than Psychoshy or Rampage.
“Are you certain this is... appropriate?” Lacunae asked in a subdued voice.
I turned, and that feeling of surreality jumped up even more; my jaw simply dropped. The gray ghoul mare had dressed the alicorn in lacy white lingerie from horn to hoof. I wasn’t quite sure if the outfit was meant for... one of those wedding things or a honeymoon, but the stockings and the garters and the... wow. The purple alicorn’s cheeks blazed as she looked around in worry. I didn’t think bridles came in lace! Unless that was some magic underwear, it wouldn’t last five minutes in the Wasteland. Still...
Damn...
Velvet narrowed her eyes speculatively. “Mmmm, I suppose not. Still, I’ve been dying for a century to see this outfit I made for Luna on somepony.” I gaped anew. Luna wore something... anything... like that? Ever?
Yeah, that part is pretty surreal. And it's strange to think of it being for Luna, given the projected lack of social life. But then again, who's to say you couldn't want to feel sexy just for yourself, even if there isn't anyone else?
“Go ahead and take it. I doubt I’ll ever have another client in your size. I’d just ruin the garment if I tried to take it in. Go on. I hope your Stronghoof likes it.” Lacunae make a little ‘meep’ and if possible, her blush deepened even further. Yup; she was glowing. The gray ghoul looked over her racks of clothes. “Mmmm... maybe something in red? Lilac? No... ah! Gold!”
“Well... I’m going to go find that mayor now,” I said as I stood. “Have fun!”
“Wait... Blackjack! Don’t leave me like this!” Lacunae called out as I trotted for the exit. “Blackjack!”
The way I see this working is that the memory of all the times Twilight should have teleported to deal with a situation but apparrently forgot she could were dropped into Lacunae, and that's affecting her now.
I gave a grateful smile to Tulip on my way out; the small ghoul mare was working on a suit of gray combat barding. I heard Snowflake call out, “I call dibs on her next, Velvet! The things I could do with her mane!”
Too bad she's not a real princess: I bet he'd have loved working with one of the aethereals.
“Anyway, about thirty years back I had a... ah... embarrassing incident involving the origins of some protein I was fond of and so I sought my fortunes out here.” He coughed nervously. “You have to understand, there’s just some things a pony doesn’t do in polite society and I’d never, ever, have done it if I’d known.”
Blackjack's been taking his cannibalism really well, especially considering he was talking about living ponies' delicious flesh earlier. Granted, I was a little surprised by how bent out of shape eveyone in FoE was over cannibalism per se, rather than murdering ponies in order to eat them. Of course, in Hoofington it'd be different, since Hoofington raiders.
“I don’t know...” But I guessed it belonged to the Marauder. Slowly my magic plucked the drawstring, and I tugged it open wide with my hooves. Inside was something burgundy and leathery. I carefully tugged out a leather jacket.
Yet more pre-bomb leather clothing.
We reached the examination room, but Doctor Wheelbarrow informed us that the nurse had gone to Afterlife. He made an effort to convince me to allow him some in-depth ‘examinations’, but something about his tone set off even more alarms than usual and I declined. The doctor looked quite put out.
Does it really take more alarms than usual, right now? I mean, there's improvement and then there's whatever it would take to get to the point you weren't reacting poorly to a doctor getting too personally feely.
The robot stretched out one of its camera eyes towards me and said in a stage whisper everypony could hear, “Personally, I think they’re all a bunch of rotting pony maggot farms and I’d disintegrate them into piles of ash if I could. But I can’t, thanks to this damned combat inhibitor! So since I can’t dispense fiery carnage to this collection of morbid, wiggling corpses, would you like a martini, you zebra-loving ghoul hugger?”
Oh, Cerberus. Also, Blackjack's first gin?
“Even if you could, there are other threats, too. The prison is filled with turrets, robots, and defensive talismans.” She looked around and then lowered her voice. “And ghosts.”
“Ghosts?” I said a little skeptically.
She nodded. “They walk the wards as empty suits of armor, uniforms, or clothing. You can’t hurt them or damage them.”
Soul jars, yeah. Bet that is really unnerving for anyone who didn't know what the deal was, and maybe even then.
I took a sip and grimaced; I wasn’t sure if I had a glass of alcohol or turpentine in front of me.
Yeah, I've known people who had that reaction to martinis.
There, lying in a spreading pool of fetid maroon blood, was Tulip. Her head was crushed, a bloody mess that was utterly destroyed. I stepped in the pool as I moved beside her to check for evidence. The blood was cool... but that didn’t mean much for a ghoul. How long had she been lying here? A blood-smeared canvas bag sat beside her and I nudged it open, revealing the reinforced armor she’d made for me.
“Well now,” Willow said from the shadows, stepping into the pool of light with the assault carbines in her battle saddle pointed right at me. “This is why I fucking hate tourists.”
Cliffhanger!
- Chapter Forty Five Overall Thoughts:
As Blackjack is knocked out, she has the Psalm dream about the assassination of Pinkie Pie in Manehattan. What we learn later from Twist, that Psalm always took her combat role very personally, seeing each shot as a murder, in a way adds extra depth to the dreams we saw, where she coldly and calculatedly killed her targets and anyone who got in her way, thinking about them as sins in the abstract but not seeming too affected by each. Pinkie Pie was different, though, as when Psalm sees her stop and look right at her, she almost calls command to potentially scrap the kill; this even though she knew about Pinkie Sense and was being asked to take the shot by the target herself as she didn't want to burn. Just after, the balefire bomb goes off and Psalm leaves through a vision of what she fears her afterlife will be if she can't obtain Luna's forgiveness. That was a beautiful ending to the scene.
Relatedly, Blackjack's now picked up on the fact that the black mare she dreams she is is Psalm, at least Lacunae's role in implanting the memories, but seems unaware of the connection to Lacunae, though that is being set up. The information from Twist is obtained by purposely drawing her out after Rampage somewhat reluctantly agrees. Twist seems to hate the Wasteland more than most of the souls in Rampage, and wants to leave, but does give some background on Psalm including that they were girlfriends and joined up together, but for different reasons. She tells how it was she who pushed for Psalm to take a combat role after her incredible marksmanship assessment, and how Psalm disappeared after Shattered Hoof Ridge. We get our first details of that event, and there's an indication that Twist doesn't know about Psalm's role in Big Macintosh's death. There's a brief rundown of what happens to the Marauders afterwards, with Jetstream cracking, Doof ending up in prison, Vanity quitting and becoming a liaison to the nobility, Applesnack getting assigned to Zebratown, and Echo getting transferred, leaving only her as the last Marauder.
This after Blackjack's two big bombshells dropped on her arriving friends: that she accidentally killed another child, and Stygius. Well, they figured Stygius out for themselves thanks to the smell. Come to think of it, it seemed like Blackjack might have been out for kind of a while, so it's a little strange they didn't talk to Stygius first. Rampage is understandably very upset about Boing, but is willing to give Blackjack one more chance after understanding that it was an accident brought on by her severe cognitive problems at the time. This doesn't go much of anywhere, at least immediately, but does set up a contrast with how she deals with Psychoshy. The bigger reaction from everyone else, and the more persistent one from Rampage, was to the fact that Blackjack had had a bunch of casual sex with Stygius. Many see it as a betrayal, and Rampage is under the impression that Blackjack had used him in a way that would hurt him, especially after Blackjack encouraged Psychoshy to make a move on him. Basically nobody was buying the "just a nice guy I had sex with" line, but ultimately were made to back off by Blackjack's clear inability to understand that she might be seen as having done something wrong with respect to Glory. The Goddess makes an appearance, and gloats about enjoying watching Blackjack suffer, and is looking forward to her and Glory's reunion. Interestingly, Lacunae doesn't have too much to say herself about the affair. I speculate that a contributing factor may be the memories of various unfaithful lovers that are now a part of her, and thus perhaps a degree of empathy for both the impulse and the circumstances around such things. Granted, she also seems to be a little more reserved than normal due to the subject of Psalm coming up, and that of the dreams.
Psychoshy made some very positive contributions to the chapter, starting with a great stage presence in the battle, during which the standout was a brutal attack and tirade upon being interrupted while "talking to a really hot guy." Her uncharacteristic hesitance, shyness really, with respect to Stygius was fun, too. The next big part with her was at the processing facility for Hightower, where Razorwire made an appearance, commented on Stygius, and then went off on Psycho after being told to get in line. Psychoshy about breaks down and reveals that she's now scared of everything and that no matter what happens she'll always think of tomorrow and be scared to death. And she worries most of all that this state will never stop. Blackjack of course tries to comfort her, but that's not much help when Psycho hates so much that pity, especially coming from Blackjack. Blackjack tells her that her parents loved her, about broke down when they lost her, and wanted to name her Whisper. Psychoshy cries, and gives the funniest line of the chapter: “Fuck... I can’t believe you actually made me cry. Badasses aren’t supposed to cry. You never cry.” Needless to say, Blackjack corrects this, bringing up some of the failings that brought her to tears, which included Priest's death; this elicits a sincere apology from Psychoshy. This all ends with Blackjack and Lacunae pointing out that you are who you choose to be, and she doesn't need to be bad for Stygius, should she choose to pursue him, if she doesn't want to be. Now, it's in part because of this section that Rampage later displays the contrast I mentioned earlier: she tells Blackjack that Psychoshy doesn't deserve her kindness or sympathy, where she was very unhappy but ultimately forgiving—at least enough to grant another chance—of Blackjack and Boing. Part's probably related to her need to see Blackjack as a good pony who, admittedly, sometimes does bad things or makes mistakes, while she's free to see Psychoshy as just bad. It likely doesn't hurt that for all she cares about foals, the murder of Priest was probably more personal to Rampage than Boing. But it's also how Psycho's so full of hate at the moment, directed at everyone from Sanguine to Blackjack to herself. Psycho's last big contributions were the suggestion they go to Meatlocker and, more importantly, I think, just taking Stygius dancing. Making that move, in part about moving on from Sanguine but also just giving herself a chance to be happy, was a good first step and was also just fun to watch.
This brings us back around to Stygius. And I'm now, in a way, starting to see some of the problems some people have with him, though I don't see it quite that way myself, at least not yet. He doesn't do too much this chapter, making some combat contributions, getting places nobody else could, and introducing shadow jumping. But he has barely any lines and doesn't even really act on his own outside of combat. He's just there looking cute, and Blackjack talks about how he's nice, and that's enough to inspire an infatuation in Psychoshy and to a lesser extent in Rampage, who at the least ends up feeling a bitter envy of Psychosy. In that respect, yeah, there's a feeling of the story just giving him the romantic attraction of a large chunk of the female cast basically on the basis that he's physically attractive. I think this is something that doesn't work out too badly in part because of how messed up everyone is. Blackjack's a no-brainer. Psychoshy needs something to move on to, and it could be frankly anything, and she could do a lot worse than having that be a guy whose major attributes are "hot" and "nice." Hell, in the long run the "nice" part is what she needs as much as anything else. And Stygius's already established low baseline for what he's looking for coupled with his putting up with Blackjack's rather more prominent issues ("I'm worried I'll kill you or cut your genitals off if I have sex with you"; "I just killed a filly"; "Sometimes I see things that happened a long time ago"; "I was just talking to the ghost who lives in my PipBuck") sets the stage for him accommodating Psychoshy. And where Rampage is concerned, it's clearly part of a larger pattern of things seeming to work out for other people, but she can never get what she really desires most, and not only is there the fact that her friends won't help her (Blackjack not using Folly on her), but they won't even accept her take on what she needs. Psychoshy getting to dance with hot, nice guy is just another little bitter pill to swallow.
There is also, of course, Blackjack's broadcast to her friends. It's very nice on the whole, mostly focusing on her supporting them and apologizing for leaving. But of course the bombshells are there too. But the real substance was her belief in Scotch and Glory and P-21, and the acknowledgement that she should never have left them but is looking to do better going forward.
Moving on, there's Meatlocker. It's been a pretty interesting experience, doing some to flesh out how the ghouls are keeping themselves sane, going into a little history of the place, and introducing some of the cast for the Hightower run including Nurse Graves, Mr. Shears (Snips), and Carrion and his contract holder Ahuizotl. The dress-up and makeover scene is fun, too, and frankly I should have seen the first time around that something bad would happen to Tulip, who was just too adorable and too sweet to go long without the story happening to her. Sadly, if I recall the events of the next chapter correctly, it's another example of a cliffhanger that quickly resolves itself cleanly, kind of just fizzling. But then that's one of the differences between serial and one-shot publishing, I guess. Mayor Windclop was fun, with his cannibalism thing, and Cerberus's simple but exuberant personality works as a fun backdrop to exposition.
Lastly, there's the Stonewing memorial, where Blackjack picks up his Skyguard dragonhide jacket and some photos. It's a nice scene, especially with the rundown Twist gave earlier, and I believe gives the details of how he was rendered mute by sniper fire through the throat for the first time, but I'm not sure on that.
- Chapter Forty Five Editing:
"Taurus's"
even one Ranger’s armament. I popped
three spaces after period
outside the front door. Funny... one of them was
only one space after period
I kept behind the ranger with the flamer as he twisted this way and that,
"ranger" should be capitalized
The thumping chatter of Grenades’ grenade machinegun
"Grenades's"
I don’t know if Flamers took a direct hit or not, but he was buried under a heap of burning rubble.
"don't" to "didn't"?
aching and my lungs fighting for a few good breaths. On the wall beside me was another button, and I tapped it with my magic. The rectangle
only one space after periods
So… that’s the plan. I tugged Stygius’ wing, and we scrambled behind
I sure hoped Stygius’ ears would be okay as we were blasted by the shockwave.
"Stygius's"
As much as I’d liked to leap out the giant hole Rain had blown in the wall, the purring minigun motor dissuaded me.
"as I'd've liked" or some other way of including "have"
something was wrong. She wasn’t defending
only one space after period
Then there was a resounding crack of an anti-material rifle above me,
"anti-machine"
“Yes, but-“
“I think we need to contact secur-“ was as far as the blue stallion got before the knives left their
second hyphen for dash
That’s all that matters now. Understand?” I said softly, He sobbed and nodded so fast he
comma should be period
and a half for the complete turn. I licked my
only one space after period
No. We were too lat
buildings and roasting them alive. I swept my scope to the
three spaces after period
My comments cut off Rampage mid-sentence, and she stared at me from across the room.
should that be "mid-stride" or something along those lines? Rampage wasn't talking, and even if it was meant to be a meaning more along the lines of "midsentence, my comments cut off Rampage" that doesn't really make sense, since the part that would really affect Rampage was at the end of a sentence.
gave her a sympathetic smile. This wasn’t easy
only one space after period
“Psalm… It was my fault
should have second space after ellipsis or not capitalize "It"
it was different for her. Me
three spaces after period
yeah… He rotted in Hightower,
Should have only two spaces after ellipsis
“The Goddess is sur- impressed that they persist, even today.”
second hyphen for dash. symmecrical spacing?
given the wariness spreading on Stygius’ face.
"Stygius's"
Until then, the Goddess will take our satisfaction in watching your struggles.
"take her satisfaction"?
“Back of the line-” Psychoshy started to say.
second hyphen for dash
Then Rampage hugged her arms around the pegasus’ neck and gave an immense heave
"pegasus's"
Between my lockpicking, Stygius’ flicker teleportation,
"Stygius's"
The gap between the prison building and the wall had dozens, perhaps more than a hundred, ghouls roaming around the concrete space or tangled in the razor wire.
No "of" for "dozens". Perhaps rearrange to something like "had dozens of ghouls, perhaps more than a hundred, roaming"?
One long road completely covered in chainlink lead through it to the main doors several hundred feet distant.
"led" not "lead"
She tilted her head. “Granted, the smell took a lot
only one space after period
Well... lets go visit some undead ponies.
"let's"
Hoofington Memorial Hospital was a lot larger and imposing up close.
"more imposing"?
unlike The Fluttershy Medical Center or even Happyhorn,
"The" shouldn't be capitalized
the outside wall. The exit doors were choked
around the old nurses’ station. A lively tune was
It’s been a challenge. Dying, and then
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Velvet said with a almost evil smile,
"an almost evil"
I backed a few steps away. My mane crawled
only one space after period
“Well, I do. And I am. But if the ghouls of Meatlocker can help me, I’ll be plenty grateful.” My compliment made the pegasus ghoul fidget a little, his wing bones clattering together.
was there really a complement in there?
and helped me remove the vent cover. It took a bit of work,
only one space after period
Apparently being a pegasus in a stable was a somewhat disheartening effect due to the lack of space to fly.
"was" to "had"?
me with a patent smile. “Well, you must
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Had a special pony. Dead now too
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A cowpony hat had forced itself over Nurse Graves’ head and seemed to be trying to twist it completely off. Meanwhile, a floating screwdriver was doing its best to try and take Cerberus apart as it dodged and stabbed and spun. One of Cerberus’ eyes popped free, dangling by a cable.
"Graves's", "Cerberus's"
Ch 47:
Graves said as she nudged the tattered white nurses’ cap
nurse's
Ch 55:
months ago outside the Fluttershy medical center still stirred a base
"medical center" should be capitalized
Ch 56:
You saw what we achieved at the Fluttershy medical center.
"medical center" should be capitalized
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Guest Mon May 12, 2014 3:59 pm
@swicked
Well, waaay back when, he seemed to make reference to the crazy conspiracy theories some of us were running about Sanguine by having Blackjack be all "Yo Goldenblood, what gives? Why ya gotta be a ghoul, bro?" to him. Dunno if that really counts; if it doesn't, then the fact that a lot of characters had their roles expanded due to audience admiration probably doesn't, either. But that also happened, anyway.
Well, waaay back when, he seemed to make reference to the crazy conspiracy theories some of us were running about Sanguine by having Blackjack be all "Yo Goldenblood, what gives? Why ya gotta be a ghoul, bro?" to him. Dunno if that really counts; if it doesn't, then the fact that a lot of characters had their roles expanded due to audience admiration probably doesn't, either. But that also happened, anyway.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Rayndalf Mon May 12, 2014 6:01 pm
What was fate initially?swicked wrote:Who had their role expanded?
The only character I can think of was Glory, and she stuck around 'cause Somber liked her.
I remember hearing something about her death but not much else...
Edit: I just noticed I had a brohoof, I feel validated
Edit 2: I have now obtained two brohoofs, and have attained even further validation than I previously felt possible...
Edit 3: Why... why are you doing this...
Edit 4: Seriously who are you people?
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by O. Hinds Mon May 12, 2014 6:23 pm
Hm, I suppose. If there was a change, though, happily, it could be folded into the same offscreen exposition as the answer to "So, how are your legs squishy again?"SilentCarto wrote:Well, BJ was never really in a position to observe her own body. At any point that BJ's soul was in the blank, she would have been in that non-person state, on the wrong side of her eyes, or watching a relatively distant camera shot from above. And she hasn't exactly been exposed to a mirror since she got her mind and soul back together. Steel Rain and the Broken Monster Squad (Hey, I used to play bass for Steel Rain and the Broken Monster Squad!) had more pressing concerns than the state of BJ's eyeballs once her body was retrieved, so I don't think anyone else would be in a position to mention her eyes until she got to the relative calm of the batpony castle.
Thanks. :)SilentCarto wrote:No problem, buddy. *pat pat*
Oh, and by the way, I like your hypothesis about Hatches and Blackjack's names.
Ah, that is another good point.swicked wrote:Kay, I thought his eyes glowed because his body was a soul jar. Could it be his eyes glow because of HOW he saw the other side? Because I don't get the feeling he died and came back multiple times, losing his memory of the other side each time, like Blackjack has.
I mean, she can only figure she's seen the other side. She doesn't remember it.
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She was originally planned to die in the Fluttershy Medical Center, in the light game. Then the story/Somber-as-distinct-from-David got other ideas.Rayndalf wrote:What was fate initially?
I remember hearing something about her death but not much else...
I'm not sure why I didn't answer this in the original post...
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Rayndalf Mon May 12, 2014 6:39 pm
When I first read that chapter I thought she dead for sure, but I'm glad she lived. Its generally good practice not to introduce characters then promptly murder them, but it should always be a possibility.O. Hinds wrote:She was originally planned to die in the Fluttershy Medical Center, in the light game. Then the story/Somber-as-distinct-from-David got other ideas.Rayndalf wrote:What was fate initially?
I remember hearing something about her death but not much else...
I'm not sure why I didn't answer this in the original post...
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Rayndalf Mon May 12, 2014 6:43 pm
Morning Glory
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by O. Hinds Mon May 12, 2014 6:47 pm
I believe that there was a "her" missing from Randalf's question, but the context seemed clear enough.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Dutcher Mon May 12, 2014 6:53 pm
Hmm, wonder how the story would turn out without Glory
Eh Boo is good enough as a romance.
Edit: by way is too late to somehow include Tirek and Tartarus in the story?
Eh Boo is good enough as a romance.
Edit: by way is too late to somehow include Tirek and Tartarus in the story?
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by O. Hinds Mon May 12, 2014 7:58 pm
...Are you shipping Boo and Blackjack?Dutcher wrote:Eh Boo is good enough as a romance.
I'd definitely say so.Dutcher wrote:Edit: by way is too late to somehow include Tirek and Tartarus in the story?
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by SilentCarto Mon May 12, 2014 9:22 pm
Well, chapter 49:swicked wrote:Kay, I thought his eyes glowed because his body was a soul jar. Could it be his eyes glow because of HOW he saw the other side? Because I don't get the feeling he died and came back multiple times, losing his memory of the other side each time, like Blackjack has.
I mean, she can only figure she's seen the other side. She doesn't remember it.
“So, when the curse went off, I was able to pull you back and put you in your body,” he said with a nervous smile. “Snips and me used it once to see the other side… but I don’t remember much. But my eyes were all glowy afterwards. Weird, eh?” He leaned uncomfortably close, peering at my own. “Wonder why yours aren’t. I mean, there’s a kinda reddish light in there, but...”
“My eyes are synthetic,” I said quietly.
And given that Tarot was described as having "stars in her eyes", I wouldn't be shocked if visiting the Moon let her see the other side in utero.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Icy Shake Mon May 12, 2014 9:47 pm
For Blackjack, at least, it wasn't precisely that she didn't want to think of Hatches as dead. Rather, it prompted her to ask about what came after, only to be reminded that thinking is only bad for you.SilentCarto wrote:Interesting idea!Last wrote:Also Go Fish makes more sense with the cutie mark. She got that mark when she witnessed a filly being destroyed by malfuctioning door, if she believes she could have done something to save her (Can't remember when she mentioned it if she expressed that or not) that near victory of being able to save the filly seems like the much more significant event than the card game. Especially if they had played the game before then, given that they live in a stable I imagine the number of things they could do was pretty limited.
When did she adopt the name? Maybe that's why BJ did adopt it, guilt over her inaction.
It's not clear when BJ adopted her new name, but if her dream of meeting P-21 (er... "Blue Colt") is to be believed, she changed her name very shortly after gaining her cutie mark. She's also very vague about her CM story -- "At first I didn't have a cutie mark, and then one day, I did." She only goes into detail about the circumstances of Hatches' death, not the life-defining moment when she figured out her own destiny.
They also stopped referring to Hatches by her real name after that. That says to me that the event was so traumatic that the fillies didn't want to think of their friend being dead; instead, they could talk about the death of this filly named Hatches that they had no emotional connection to. In other words, I think BJ's repressing the hell out of the whole event. I have this suspicion that Hatches was really important to Go Fish, which is why she didn't want to be Go Fish anymore. If they were as inseperable as I suspect, losing her would be like the CMC losing Scootaloo; you can still talk about Apple Bloom and Sweetie Belle, but there's this missing piece that's conspicuous in its absence.
Chapter Thirty Four wrote:Once, after Hatches got killed, I’d asked Hymnal about what happened when we died. The question seemed somewhat pertinent at the time. The answer she gave was simple: we went into the recycler and somepony took our place. Finding that answer somewhat less than fulfilling, I pressed on. She attempted some muttered comment about how, when you died, you went to the everafter to be reunited with the princesses and your loved ones. Then she reported me to Mom, and one sore butt later I learned not to harass our stable’s duly appointed spiritual leader.
Yep:SilentCarto wrote:There was a Pink Eyes reference in chapter 34?Icy Shake wrote:Somber plz. pls dont.
Or: keep it minimal, like a radroad scurrying away if and when Blackjack finds the sword again. Subtle, like the Pink Eyes reference in chapter thirty four.
Chapter Thirty Four wrote:A tiny pinprick of lavender light far off in the distance came to life, and with it I heard a single soft note and felt a gentle pull towards it. Now, I know that most ponies say not to head towards the light. Those ponies failed to mention that there weren't actually a lot of other options. Considering how many bad choices I’d made in my life, what was one more?
Though, considering how many bad choices I'd made, I looked forward to Celestia punting my sorry ass straight into Hell. I guess I could have fought against the pull, but… I was tired of darkness.
As I moved, I could hear the tone more clearly. It wasn’t one constant drone but a single musical note that pulsed with the throb of the light. And... another pulse accompanied the first one. I moved closer still and saw a second light, a soft orange point that sang the other sound. And then a third was born, a cheery pink. Another, majestic purple. Teal. A pair, green and gold. A pair of pink motes pranced and tumbled around each other with a tinkling like laughter while a purple and lavender pair hovered attentively nearby. Each with its own note. Its own music. There were hundreds. Thousands. Millions…
You identified Green and Gold as Vanity and Blueblood via recalled previous word of god. Then:Icy Shake wrote:Lavender - Gin Rummy
Orange - Applejack
Pink - Pinky Pie
Purple - Rarity
Teal - ??? not Rainbow Dash, probably Scoodle
Green - ??? I don't think I ever had a good guess on this one
Gold - ??? The best I could ever come up with was Goldenblood, and that's far from a sure thing
Pink * 2 - ???
Purple, lavender - ??? I was originally thinking Thorn and Roses, but Thorn was pink in 18 ("After all, I was bleeding out slowly and Thorn was now an orphan. “We know how you feel,” one of the ghoul foals told the pink unicorn. “Our parents are dead too.”" and "She looked at her daughter, but the pink filly was captivated by the dirty little sock puppet.") and lavender in 19 (I ran to the puppet and saw the lavender filly running towards the bridge. )
Granted, it's coy, but I think that was the implication, leaving the two pink stars as Puppysmiles and Thorn, with Lavender and Purple as Roses and Puppysmiles's mom.Somber wrote:Think of another side fic with a little pink protagonist...
Anyway, as I said, subtle.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Scienza Mon May 12, 2014 9:52 pm
BooJack would probably be unsettlingly adorable and kind of incredibly creepy.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Icy Shake Mon May 12, 2014 10:03 pm
Not that they wouldn't still notice, but Psychoshy and Stygius were out of the picture by the end of 49, when the legs were still matte white enameled. The black legs came five chapters later after Blackjack broke them again, in addition to the time in Hightower.swicked wrote:Kay, so yeah, exact same curse should have had exact same result. It'd be less noticeable, I think, than her black cyber legs giving way to white organic ones.SilentCarto wrote:Well, chapter 49:swicked wrote:Kay, I thought his eyes glowed because his body was a soul jar. Could it be his eyes glow because of HOW he saw the other side? Because I don't get the feeling he died and came back multiple times, losing his memory of the other side each time, like Blackjack has.
I mean, she can only figure she's seen the other side. She doesn't remember it.
“So, when the curse went off, I was able to pull you back and put you in your body,” he said with a nervous smile. “Snips and me used it once to see the other side… but I don’t remember much. But my eyes were all glowy afterwards. Weird, eh?” He leaned uncomfortably close, peering at my own. “Wonder why yours aren’t. I mean, there’s a kinda reddish light in there, but...”
“My eyes are synthetic,” I said quietly.
And given that Tarot was described as having "stars in her eyes", I wouldn't be shocked if visiting the Moon let her see the other side in utero.
Honestly, though, her eyes have been glowing for 99.9% of the fic. She immediately got them nuked and they glowed yellow, then replaced and glowed red, now reborn and they glow... what, just pale? Blue-ish? Somethin'.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by O. Hinds Mon May 12, 2014 10:57 pm
That is another good point, I think.swicked wrote:Honestly, though, her eyes have been glowing for 99.9% of the fic. She immediately got them nuked and they glowed yellow, then replaced and glowed red, now reborn and they glow... what, just pale? Blue-ish? Somethin'.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by SilentCarto Tue May 13, 2014 12:35 am
Thanks!O. Hinds wrote:Oh, and by the way, I like your hypothesis about Hatches and Blackjack's names.
Hehe, you've got me there. BJ changes her eyeglow about as often as some folks change their hair color. For that matter, I guess neither Whisper nor Stygius have ever known her eyes not to glow.swicked wrote:Honestly, though, her eyes have been glowing for 99.9% of the fic. She immediately got them nuked and they glowed yellow, then replaced and glowed red, now reborn and they glow... what, just pale? Blue-ish? Somethin'.
I believe this one is just a ghostly white gleam in the pupils. Hey, maybe Tarot's heritage makes her predisposed to glowing eyes.
Oh, riiiight. I remember that now that you say it. Thanks!Icy Shake wrote:Granted, it's coy, but I think that was the implication, leaving the two pink stars as Puppysmiles and Thorn, with Lavender and Purple as Roses and Puppysmiles's mom.
Anyway, as I said, subtle.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by SilentCarto Tue May 13, 2014 12:49 am
Way too late. We're in the endgame here.Dutcher wrote:By the way is too late to somehow include Tirek and Tartarus in the story?
I mean, I guess Tartarus exists and Tirek is in there in a hypothetical sort of way, but in this universe, Twilight isn't a princess and Discord never got released and reformed. So that whole plot kind of can't happen.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Icy Shake Tue May 13, 2014 12:55 am
Those two, sure. But what gets crazier is it's pretty much everyone outside of 99. Glory shot Blackjack because of her glowing eyes! I think the only major characters left who have seen herSilentCarto wrote:Hehe, you've got me there. BJ changes her eyeglow about as often as some folks change their hair color. For that matter, I guess neither Whisper nor Stygius have ever known her eyes not to glow.swicked wrote:Honestly, though, her eyes have been glowing for 99.9% of the fic. She immediately got them nuked and they glowed yellow, then replaced and glowed red, now reborn and they glow... what, just pale? Blue-ish? Somethin'.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Dutcher Tue May 13, 2014 1:30 am
No of course not... Mabey?O. Hinds wrote:...Are you shipping Boo and Blackjack?Dutcher wrote:Eh Boo is good enough as a romance.I'd definitely say so.Dutcher wrote:Edit: by way is too late to somehow include Tirek and Tartarus in the story?
Well I was thinking that Celestia and Luna already know him, so he can still be somehow relevant but ye I guess it's way too late nowSilentCarto wrote:Way too late. We're in the endgame here.Dutcher wrote:By the way is too late to somehow include Tirek and Tartarus in the story?
I mean, I guess Tartarus exists and Tirek is in there in a hypothetical sort of way, but in this universe, Twilight isn't a princess and Discord never got released and reformed. So that whole plot kind of can't happen.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by O. Hinds Tue May 13, 2014 2:39 am
I am, as you know, in general against attempts to integrate new show canon. Somber's shown that he certainly can do it (Discord, for example), but I'd still much prefer not to take the risk.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Exodus Hero Tue May 13, 2014 2:42 am
Well in the show, Tirek escaped in season two in one of the earlier episodes when Cerberus left. I'm also sure there was a reference to Cerberus escaping somewhere in the story, (if it is PH or the original, I can honestly not remember), but my assumption on this when I gave it the thought, was Tirek was picked up by the MoP at some point and placed back into Tartarus or experimented on by another undisclosed sect within the story or perhaps even axed as we've seen Luna be more cold blooded then she initially appeared to be. Whether or not this deserves to be addressed, my personal opinion is a no; however, it could just be as simple as putting a name in a folder that Blackjack looks at and dismisses nearly as quickly. Would do no harm to the story and would take less than two sentences if Somber so desired.SilentCarto wrote:Way too late. We're in the endgame here.Dutcher wrote:By the way is too late to somehow include Tirek and Tartarus in the story?
I mean, I guess Tartarus exists and Tirek is in there in a hypothetical sort of way, but in this universe, Twilight isn't a princess and Discord never got released and reformed. So that whole plot kind of can't happen.
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by O. Hinds Tue May 13, 2014 2:58 am
I'm still against it (though of course I'd go along with it if Somber insisted). As I see it, it's unnecessary, would add nothing to the story, and would risk causing damage.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Scienza Tue May 13, 2014 10:28 am
I'd say that anything beyond a one-off "apocalypse killed him" is unlikely. There's nothing necessarily precluding his existence (same goes for Discord in the original FO:E, who just got a "Probably died in the Cloud"), it's just that he won't have really had that much of an impact beyond legend or myth.
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by Dutcher Tue May 13, 2014 12:00 pm
Redoubt?swicked wrote:An incredibly fortified from the inside (so as to prevent even the most powerful magical monsters from getting out), presumably underground or in an otherwise badlands-y area where nothing (that you'd want to keep alive at a time like this) lives.SilentCarto wrote:Way too late. We're in the endgame here.Dutcher wrote:By the way is too late to somehow include Tirek and Tartarus in the story?
I mean, I guess Tartarus exists and Tirek is in there in a hypothetical sort of way, but in this universe, Twilight isn't a princess and Discord never got released and reformed. So that whole plot kind of can't happen.
If I were in the MoAS, Tartarus would be the site I'd pick for the majority of megaspell testing, personally.
If such a place were then to be integrated into PH, though, I'd put it under Black Pony Mountain. I mean, I've still no idea whatsoever what is at BPM, but in terms of dangerous places of Equestria which every effort should have been made to get the common pony to avoid, there was no place like Tartarus.
Unless I'm missing something, which I likely am.
The dead body of the EoS
Zebra mega spell that makes the mountain come to life?
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Scienza Tue May 13, 2014 12:22 pm
I'm still of the belief that the EoS is located under BPM. Hell, a goddamn starspawn lives there.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Dutcher Tue May 13, 2014 12:31 pm
Perhaps the tokomare is the heart? Or brain?Scienza wrote:I'm still of the belief that the EoS is located under BPM. Hell, a goddamn starspawn lives there.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Moodyman90 Tue May 13, 2014 12:49 pm
What are you guys talking about? Theres nothing important about Black Pony Mountain. 
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Scienza Tue May 13, 2014 12:55 pm
BPM is still in the region. The EoS is ridiculously huge.swicked wrote:But the entire point is that it's under hoofington...Scienza wrote:I'm still of the belief that the EoS is located under BPM. Hell, a goddamn starspawn lives there.
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by OneMoreDaySK Tue May 13, 2014 1:00 pm
What about the Redoubt? I think it's under... nah, nothing's important about Black Pony Mountain.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by Rayndalf Tue May 13, 2014 6:14 pm
I believe in the original FOE balefire bombs worked by opening portals to TartarusDutcher wrote:Hmm, wonder how the story would turn out without Glory
Eh Boo is good enough as a romance.
Edit: by way is too late to somehow include Tirek and Tartarus in the story?
Am I the only one who remembered an overuse of the words whinnying and nickering in the story?
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
by RoboRed Tue May 13, 2014 6:44 pm
Nope.Rayndalf wrote:
Am I the only one who remembered an overuse of the words whinnying and nickering in the story?
I thought it was kinda adorable.
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