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swicked wrote:Scienza wrote:She'd probably be a lot healthier if she stopped giving a damn.
@Somber
I'm liking where this is going. Heavy stuff, but that's what PH does.
- @Swicked:
It's possible that Charm just never noticed or understood that her sister was trying to connect with her, sort of like how teenagers always feel that their parents are evil hellspawn bent on ruining their lives.
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She might not have consciously considered it while she was in the Society, but sometime over the months of torturing she has endured with the occasional moments alone to float and think about her inevitable death, I would have expected her to remember Grace being nice to her at least once. Maybe just in regards to a thoughtful birthday present or something. Then remembered all the time she spent with her when she was sick. Then remembering her giving her ponyback rides when she was little and they got along. Then realize she misses the one pony who, despite everything, had always tried to be her friend.
Grace may have never stuck her neck out for Charm... after all, there was never a reason to before Charm got into the situation she finds herself in now. That doesn't mean she wasn't still there for her sister.
...I like Grace.
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- Or maybe Charm's just a melodramatic jerk.
I'm not really into Charm.
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Somber wrote:Really, don't read. it's depressing.
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coward taking a filly hostage to kill a pony better than you.”
I stared at her. “Stop it, Charm. He’ll kill you.”
“Oh, I know he will. There’s no might about it. He’s smart. You should have killed me the second you make Grace Regent, but you fucked it up,” she said, laughing.
“Shut up!” Steel Rain bellowed again.
“Fuck you, you stupid fuck!” Charm shouted back at him, laughing some more, tears running down her cheek. “You are fucked. Because Blackjack is still Blackjack. It doesn’t matter what you do to her. She does the right thing. No matter how much it fucking hurts. And she’s been fucking hurt.”
I gaped at her. “Don’t. Please, Charm…”
She smiled bitterly, sniffing and smiling at me. “You’re the only pony that’s ever wanted to save me, Blackjack.”
“Don’t!” I begged, as Steel Rain looked from her to me.
“What…” the silver armored pony said as he looked down at his hostage.
“Goodbye,” she said, and her legs tensed beneath her. I tried to grab her with my magic, but she was too far. Too heavy. Too much for me to seize. I wasn’t Little Pip after all.
She leapt at me.
The wires in her brain snapped taut, flipping her body around in the air a moment before several pulled free with a spray of blood. Tiny, wet gobs of gray tissue gleamed at the end of the wires. She slid close enough to me that I lunged at her and pulled her into my hooves with my magic. Her body spasmed wildly with a gagging sound as she seized, her eyes pointing in two different directions. I heard the thunder of Steel Rain approaching as she thrashed in a seizure.
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- “Oh, I know he will. There’s no might about it. He’s smart. You should have killed me the second you make Grace Regent, but you fucked it up,” she said, laughing.
Should be 'made' instead of make, no?
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I usually need a 4-5 hour block if I'm taking notes.OneMoreDaySK wrote:Heh, an hour for me, though it takes several rereads for me to get everything. Eyes kinda glaze over fight scenes if nothing special is going on. More like skimming, then perusing parts interesting to me.
Can't stand not to. I get rather grumpy if I get dragged away.swicked wrote:...does everyone just read it straight through?
I can hardly sit and read anything for even an hour straight; I get too distracted.
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Personally I think Somber's trying to hard to make every villain sympathetic. I can't think of any at the moment that Blackjack has taken out that doesn't have a sob story. Let's run through the list, shall we?
In Stable 99, there's Daisy, who had been tormented, and Blackjack tried helping her to no avail, and the Overmare, who also had been tormented by her mother to the point of insanity that she is in the story.
Deus who invaded is Doof, who had been misled and eventually cyborg'd then tank'd.
Sanguine who only wanted his family safe.
Dawn who wanted to bring peace to the wasteland.
Lighthooves wanted something of that sort, or at least protect Thunderhead.
Steel Rain is still alive, as well as Cogitum and the Legate, so I'm holding off on them.
Yeah the only ones I can recall that don't have too much sadness attached are Sanguine's miniboss squad, with explode-pony going down the drain and manticore-pony being eviscerated. Still they had their "I don't want to die moment" so... yeah.
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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
Hi SK. :)OneMoreDaySK wrote:
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Personally I think Somber's trying to hard to make every villain sympathetic. I can't think of any at the moment that Blackjack has taken out that doesn't have a sob story. Let's run through the list, shall we?
In Stable 99, there's Daisy, who had been tormented, and Blackjack tried helping her to no avail, and the Overmare, who also had been tormented by her mother to the point of insanity that she is in the story.
Deus who invaded is Doof, who had been misled and eventually cyborg'd then tank'd.
Sanguine who only wanted his family safe.
Dawn who wanted to bring peace to the wasteland.
Lighthooves wanted something of that sort, or at least protect Thunderhead.
Steel Rain is still alive, as well as Cogitum and the Legate, so I'm holding off on them.
Yeah the only ones I can recall that don't have too much sadness attached are Sanguine's miniboss squad, with explode-pony going down the drain and manticore-pony being eviscerated. Still they had their "I don't want to die moment" so... yeah.
You might be onto something SK, but then again, I don't think anyone would do horrible things just because. Not unless they like being hated, or they get off to doing those horrible things, which could work maybe. Most ponies who do though are usually raiders or slavers, I dunno, I'd have to think more about it.
On that note, I've been up for about 26 hours, so once I sleep a bit I'm going to start pounding out Chapter Commentaries, hopefully I'll be able to add something good to the discussion, with my own little style.
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Harmony Ltd. wrote:Kinda makes me wonder how she hasn't already become dulled to that kind of things, by now.
I know she's The One Pony Who Always Try To Do better, but still...
After all the shit she's been through, it really is impressive that she still give a damn about others.
Compassion is BJ's coping mechanism to deal with all the shit she's lived through. If BJ tried to only care about herself, she'd also have to not care about all her flaws and failings too. I think both of these are parts of her character that are impossibly difficult to change. Without that drive to help others, BJ would have self-destructed long ago.
Besides that, is there not there the heroic ideal of the person who selflessly helps everyone they are able to? How much pain must one endure before they give that up?
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So when do usually the next chapter is being released?
Because the last cliff hanger was HNGGGGGARGAGA
Because the last cliff hanger was HNGGGGGARGAGA
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It'll be done when it gets done. Somber and his editing team do have lives, y'know. When it's out, you'll see the Somber Signal from Hinds, followed by a steam of posts of people going FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU- as the release times are at odd hours of the night.
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Shortly after the forum will light up with discussion about what happened in the chapter, what may happen next, et cetera. Its really hard to miss.
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Chapter releases are usually marked by post count spikes of rapidfire speculation and outpourings of fangasming.Dutcher wrote:So when do usually the next chapter is being released?
Because the last cliff hanger was HNGGGGGARGAGA
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Ofc, i was just wondering what is the usual time between chapters, not demanding it or anything.OneMoreDaySK wrote:It'll be done when it gets done. Somber and his editing team do have lives, y'know. When it's out, you'll see the Somber Signal from Hinds, followed by a steam of posts of people going FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU- as the release times are at odd hours of the night.
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Maybe 1 to 2 months a chapter? Brushing is on the weekends usually, and that goes announced.
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No, it's not usually announced. It would happen sometimes and not happen others, and then I took someone's (I don't recall whose) advice and deliberately stopped announcing it to try and increase the chances of the hub page not being too crowded for me to get into.
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There's no real official announcement; I usually just see one of you comment on the brushing status. But yeah, I can see why having the hub page flooded is not the best thing. I blame swicked.
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Of course, there's no real reason to flood the hub page. I have the Somber Signal posts up here less than a minute after the link goes live, and I assume that the IRC announcements and such have similarly low latency. Apparently people are just that eager to read. :)
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Do you think the Forumotion servers would do better? You might consider posting a direct link to the chapter here (as well as the IRC announcement you mentioned), and that way either the hub page wouldn't be flooded or you could just wait until it isn't to update it.O. Hinds wrote:Of course, there's no real reason to flood the hub page. I have the Somber Signal posts up here less than a minute after the link goes live, and I assume that the IRC announcements and such have similarly low latency. Apparently people are just that eager to read. :)
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Nah, mashing F5 every 3.1 nanoseconds is more effective.
One day, I shall find you.
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Has it really gotten that long? I remember when we were getting a chapter nearly every week. Not that I mind, Somber's gotten busy since that time, but still. We had an RP spring up out of boredom when threw was like a two week break between chaptersOneMoreDaySK wrote:Maybe 1 to 2 months a chapter? Brushing is on the weekends usually, and that goes announced.
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"1 to 2 months" is overstating it a bit: with the exception of chapter sixty five and counting each part of sixty two as a separate release, for at least the last half year releases were pretty consistently four or five weeks apart (mostly four, especially after rounding). Sixty five, I understand, had some exceptional circumstances and ended up being half again as long as normal, and its gap was still only seven weeks.Aonee wrote:Has it really gotten that long? I remember when we were getting a chapter nearly every week. Not that I mind, Somber's gotten busy since that time, but still. We had an RP spring up out of boredom when threw was like a two week break between chaptersOneMoreDaySK wrote:Maybe 1 to 2 months a chapter? Brushing is on the weekends usually, and that goes announced.
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Was just guessing. Apologies on overestimation.
Continuing my previous question, are there any unsympathetic villains in this story?
Continuing my previous question, are there any unsympathetic villains in this story?
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I meant ones who have died/lost to Blackjack. He's still out there, as well as the Legate. I was kinda expecting you to give them something eventually, actually.
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Please don't give Somber any ideas like those. I mean, if that's what his plans are then okay, I can deal with that... but I happen to hate Steel Rain sooooooooooo much, I just want to watch (well, read about it, anyway) him die and laugh.OneMoreDaySK wrote:I meant ones who have died/lost to Blackjack. He's still out there, as well as the Legate. I was kinda expecting you to give them something eventually, actually.
Okay, I might be slightly crazy...
And Blackjack deserves to kill somebody without any guilt whatsoever. I mean, that reaction when Brass told her that she has no sob story... Priceless!
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But in the end, she still felt sorry for Brass. The whole reason her freakout with Brass happened was because she's been guilting herself over practically every named enemy.
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Somber wrote:Really, don't read. it's depressing.
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coward taking a filly hostage to kill a pony better than you.”
I stared at her. “Stop it, Charm. He’ll kill you.”
“Oh, I know he will. There’s no might about it. He’s smart. You should have killed me the second you make Grace Regent, but you fucked it up,” she said, laughing.
“Shut up!” Steel Rain bellowed again.
“Fuck you, you stupid fuck!” Charm shouted back at him, laughing some more, tears running down her cheek. “You are fucked. Because Blackjack is still Blackjack. It doesn’t matter what you do to her. She does the right thing. No matter how much it fucking hurts. And she’s been fucking hurt.”
I gaped at her. “Don’t. Please, Charm…”
She smiled bitterly, sniffing and smiling at me. “You’re the only pony that’s ever wanted to save me, Blackjack.”
“Don’t!” I begged, as Steel Rain looked from her to me.
“What…” the silver armored pony said as he looked down at his hostage.
“Goodbye,” she said, and her legs tensed beneath her. I tried to grab her with my magic, but she was too far. Too heavy. Too much for me to seize. I wasn’t Little Pip after all.
She leapt at me.
The wires in her brain snapped taut, flipping her body around in the air a moment before several pulled free with a spray of blood. Tiny, wet gobs of gray tissue gleamed at the end of the wires. She slid close enough to me that I lunged at her and pulled her into my hooves with my magic. Her body spasmed wildly with a gagging sound as she seized, her eyes pointing in two different directions. I heard the thunder of Steel Rain approaching as she thrashed in a seizure.
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- Somber, I know you say that it's depressing, but to me... it kinda isn't. Don't get me wrong - that is a sad scene, even for me, who never cared much about Charm, even after the previous chapter. I almost felt pity for her, but then Cogs played back how Charm was telling her what she wants to happen to Blackjack, so my compassion decided that she wasn't worth its time.
And besides, that wasn't the most important information to me in this little spoiler. Far more important were those infos:
- Blackjack is going to be okay
- she managed to recover rather quickly, as Steel Rain was still at that place with the thing
- despite her being now in an organic body, without any cybernetic upgrades, Steel Rain is using a hostage... I suspect this means Blackjack beats him up something fierce
- this probably means we will finally see Steel Rain die, which is something I had been b****ing about for quite a while. May the infidel die, long live Queen Whiskey Blackjack!
So yeah, I'm really looking forward to this chapter.
Now, on the side note... I've been playing Fallout 2 some time ago, and one of it's mechanics made me wonder: what is Blackjack Charisma? Or her other statistics, for that matter?
In Fallout 2 depending on how much Charisma you have you can have more followers. For each two points you would get one follower. For example, mine character had 8 Charisma, so I hate four guys hanging around with me. But Blackjack had... Glory, P-21, Rampage (though if I were Blackjack, I would throw her out of my party for the stunt she pulled in the previous chapter), Scotch, Lucanea, Boo at the same time, which means by that rule she would have 10 Charisma. And that is not counting all the other ponies that joined this group for some time and then left. Of course, I know that this story isn't operating by that rule, nor was the original Fallout Equestria, I think (plus, operating by such precise rules from games in general is a tad silly), and considering how Blackjack isn't the best negotiator, I really don't see her having 10 charisma. But, you know, it still got me wondering, it's all.
Her other stats would be also interesting to know, seeing that they couldn't be very constant. Like with all those cybernetics she had to have greater strength, for example.
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My estimates on BJ's SPECIAL Stats.
Charisma, I'd say 12. She can charm almost anyone into agreeing with her, and if not, at least recognizing that her beliefs are strong. Her posse is just the tip of the iceberg.
Her Luck, depending on your interpretation, is probably either sky-high or abysmal.
Intelligence, I'd give her a 5 or 6. She always underestimates herself, and she isn't necessarily book smart, but she's much smarter than anyone gives her credit for.
Agility, 7 (8 with augments). Her advantage over most of her more heavily armored opponents has usually been her ability to move fast and to move unpredictably.
Strength, 6 (8 with augments). with augments. Blackjack likes the smashy smashy, but she's usually favored firearms over punching. Her melee weapons are wielded via magic.
Endurance, 7 (9 with augments). Blackjack's pretty much indestructible.
Perception, 4. She gets surprised by things. A lot.
Presumably, the Ministry figurines also boost her SPECIAL stats.
Charisma, I'd say 12. She can charm almost anyone into agreeing with her, and if not, at least recognizing that her beliefs are strong. Her posse is just the tip of the iceberg.
Her Luck, depending on your interpretation, is probably either sky-high or abysmal.
Intelligence, I'd give her a 5 or 6. She always underestimates herself, and she isn't necessarily book smart, but she's much smarter than anyone gives her credit for.
Agility, 7 (8 with augments). Her advantage over most of her more heavily armored opponents has usually been her ability to move fast and to move unpredictably.
Strength, 6 (8 with augments). with augments. Blackjack likes the smashy smashy, but she's usually favored firearms over punching. Her melee weapons are wielded via magic.
Endurance, 7 (9 with augments). Blackjack's pretty much indestructible.
Perception, 4. She gets surprised by things. A lot.
Presumably, the Ministry figurines also boost her SPECIAL stats.
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It only takes fifty people, IIRC, to block editing access.Dekshuduph wrote:Do you think the Forumotion servers would do better? You might consider posting a direct link to the chapter here (as well as the IRC announcement you mentioned), and that way either the hub page wouldn't be flooded or you could just wait until it isn't to update it.O. Hinds wrote:Of course, there's no real reason to flood the hub page. I have the Somber Signal posts up here less than a minute after the link goes live, and I assume that the IRC announcements and such have similarly low latency. Apparently people are just that eager to read. :)
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Huh, and no way of having exclusive access? I know that a TF2 server I frequent has a VIP list, and whenever someone of that status joins, a non-VIP gets kicked.
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Not as far as I'm aware of. You'd think that there'd be a way, of course, but Google does have something of a history of peculiar programming decisions.
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Pretty weird that they don't have this. An author that can't even work on his/her/it own work? What madness!
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