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Re: [Official!] Project Horizons Comment Crew Chat thread.
by Guest Sat Aug 31, 2013 7:56 am
Final verdict: if David Lynch had done sound design, and art department duties had been shared by Clive Barker and HR Giger instead of just being heavily influenced by them, and if the director had been a big enough name to push through the obscene, artistic vision that the film so desperately wanted to show, it would have been damn near perfect. As it is, it was still enjoyable, especially the first half. Someone needs to have a chat with whoever thought that action movie one-liners would make the second half better, though, and an even longer chat with whoever did the sound design. A horror film's sound design is extraordinarily important, and I was wincing at some of the "meat thud" impacts in the last scenes. Maybe they weren't so rehashed when the film was made, but they really don't hold up nowadays... whereas the nightmarish imagery, being non-CGI, really, really does.
Oh, and they should have straight-up stolen the entirety of The Black Hole's ending. The film's already a love letter to it (among other films), and the original's ending was haunting.
EDIT: Here's the song. I really doubt anyone'll like it, but I mentioned it earlier, so I figured I might as well post it. From Anaal Nathrakh's "Total Fucking Necro" demo. (Bonus: play the music game with it!)
Oh, and they should have straight-up stolen the entirety of The Black Hole's ending. The film's already a love letter to it (among other films), and the original's ending was haunting.
EDIT: Here's the song. I really doubt anyone'll like it, but I mentioned it earlier, so I figured I might as well post it. From Anaal Nathrakh's "Total Fucking Necro" demo. (Bonus: play the music game with it!)
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Re: [Official!] Project Horizons Comment Crew Chat thread.
by Harmony Ltd. Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:40 am
Somehow I could see the following being the opeing quotes to FoE fic chapters :
(and generally speaking, Genesis' "Land of Confusion" is very quote-able in this context)
This is the world we live in
And these are the hands we're given
Use them and lets start trying
To make it a place worth living in.
Now this is the world we live in
And these are the hands we're given
Use them and lets start trying
To make it a place worth fighting for.
I wont be coming home tonight
My generation will put it right
We're not just making promises
That we know, we'll never keep.
(and generally speaking, Genesis' "Land of Confusion" is very quote-able in this context)
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Re: [Official!] Project Horizons Comment Crew Chat thread.
by Harmony Ltd. Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:43 am
I mean, shit :
There's too many men
Too many people
Making too many problems
And not much love to go round
Cant you see
This is a land of confusion.
Ooh superman where are you now
When everythings gone wrong somehow
The men of steel, the men of power
Are losing control by the hour.
I remember long ago -
Ooh when the sun was shining
Yes and the stars were bright
All through the night
And the sound of your laughter
As I held you tight
So long ago -
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Re: [Official!] Project Horizons Comment Crew Chat thread.
by Frost Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:23 am
Am I the only one that never gave a shit about the opening quotes?
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Re: [Official!] Project Horizons Comment Crew Chat thread.
by RoboRed Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:29 am
I am...rather jelly...Harmony Ltd. wrote:I just had a dream where I fucked someone's mom, in a school dormitory.
It felt surprisingly realistic.
In other news, cheap lulz:
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Re: [Official!] Project Horizons Comment Crew Chat thread.
by Valikdu Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:38 am
Someone has to say this, so: HARMONY IS A SPY!
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Re: [Official!] Project Horizons Comment Crew Chat thread.
by Kattlarv Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:43 am
@Robo: Ah, okay. I'm not that high on most whatnot things xP
@Derp: According to my calculations, a marehood (of a mlp pony) would be ~12 cm across and capacity for around ~22 cm deep x3 I did this with calculations of the estimated height of a pony, then just took that height, counted the pixels a pony was, divided by the amount the part of their flank should be in, and bam, results xD ... what? xP
@Last: That is bad form indeed... stuff like that is blargh imo.
@Swicked: Actually, replacing the plush with a Trixie plush would prolly work as Swickedbait xP
@Robo: ... is that the art style of the person making a crappy comic with absolutely terrible female anatomy and overall IC?
@Derp: According to my calculations, a marehood (of a mlp pony) would be ~12 cm across and capacity for around ~22 cm deep x3 I did this with calculations of the estimated height of a pony, then just took that height, counted the pixels a pony was, divided by the amount the part of their flank should be in, and bam, results xD ... what? xP
@Last: That is bad form indeed... stuff like that is blargh imo.
@Swicked: Actually, replacing the plush with a Trixie plush would prolly work as Swickedbait xP
@Robo: ... is that the art style of the person making a crappy comic with absolutely terrible female anatomy and overall IC?
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Re: [Official!] Project Horizons Comment Crew Chat thread.
by Harmony Ltd. Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:50 am
http://ragepanddemoman.deviantart.com/art/Mask-less-Spy-SFM-361972559Valikdu wrote:Someone has to say this, so: HARMONY IS A SPY!
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Re: [Official!] Project Horizons Comment Crew Chat thread.
by Harmony Ltd. Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:52 am
Also : http://boourns.dynu.net/pics/S_for_Spy_by_Tfir.jpg
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Re: [Official!] Project Horizons Comment Crew Chat thread.
by RoboRed Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:53 am
Kattlarv wrote:
@Derp: According to my calculations, a marehood (of a mlp pony) would be ~12 cm across and capacity for around ~22 cm deep x3 I did this with calculations of the estimated height of a pony, then just took that height, counted the pixels a pony was, divided by the amount the part of their flank should be in, and bam, results xD ... what? xP
![[Official!] Project Horizons Comment Crew Chat thread. - Page 9 ICkeu](https://i.imgur.com/iCkeu.jpg)
I have no fucking idea. It was just a single image on derpiboru, and it made me lol. Because "penis".@Robo: ... is that the art style of the person making a crappy comic with absolutely terrible female anatomy and overall IC?
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Re: [Official!] Project Horizons Comment Crew Chat thread.
by Harmony Ltd. Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:54 am
I don't really give a shit either, it's just that I think it could fit.Mister Frost wrote:Am I the only one that never gave a shit about the opening quotes?
In my opinion, opening quotes are here to set a mood or drop some background informations relevant to what's going to be said. See : Frank Herbert's "Dune", or Isaac Asimov's "Foundation" series, where chapter opening quotes are generally used with great effect.
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Re: [Official!] Project Horizons Comment Crew Chat thread.
by Valikdu Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:00 am
I've found out what's been missing from my mod all this time. THIS! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumis
Now I want to have some IRL, but don't know where to get it. It's not sold in any local liquor stores (of course the 'real' version wouldn't be, but there's not even any of the presumably mass-produced cow milk version).
Now I want to have some IRL, but don't know where to get it. It's not sold in any local liquor stores (of course the 'real' version wouldn't be, but there's not even any of the presumably mass-produced cow milk version).
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Re: [Official!] Project Horizons Comment Crew Chat thread.
by Kippershy Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:06 am
So, with regards to the U.S getting cosy with France in order to strike Syria, I have something to say before Russia enters into the fray.
Sound the trumpets of valour,
we march to war tonight.
Sound the trumpets of valour,
we come here to fight.
Sound the trumpets of valour,
there is no honour here to be found.
Sound the trumpets of valour,
so my knees may fall to the ground.
Sound the trumpets of valour.
We march to war tonight.
A little poem I wrote just now expressing my despair to the whole thing, quite frankly.
I would say God help us all, but even if there was a god, there's no helping us with what we have become.
What we have done, what we are about to do. Our crimes will be forced upon us, the judgement shall be true.
Sound the trumpets of valour,
we march to war tonight.
Sound the trumpets of valour,
we come here to fight.
Sound the trumpets of valour,
there is no honour here to be found.
Sound the trumpets of valour,
so my knees may fall to the ground.
Sound the trumpets of valour.
We march to war tonight.
A little poem I wrote just now expressing my despair to the whole thing, quite frankly.
I would say God help us all, but even if there was a god, there's no helping us with what we have become.
What we have done, what we are about to do. Our crimes will be forced upon us, the judgement shall be true.
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Re: [Official!] Project Horizons Comment Crew Chat thread.
by Harmony Ltd. Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:15 am
@ Kipp' : Relevant =>
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- Stratfor wrote:Obama's Bluff
By George Friedman
Images of multiple dead bodies emerged from Syria last week. It was asserted that poison gas killed the victims, who according to some numbered in the hundreds. Others claimed the photos were faked while others said the rebels were at fault. The dominant view, however, maintains that the al Assad regime carried out the attack.
The United States has so far avoided involvement in Syria's civil war. This is not to say Washington has any love for the al Assad regime. Damascus' close ties to Iran and Russia give the United States reason to be hostile toward Syria, and Washington participated in the campaign to force Syrian troops out of Lebanon. Still, the United States has learned to be concerned not just with unfriendly regimes, but also with what could follow such regimes. Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya have driven home the principle that deposing one regime means living with an imperfect successor. In those cases, changing the regime wound up rapidly entangling the United States in civil wars, the outcomes of which have not been worth the price. In the case of Syria, the insurgents are Sunni Muslims whose best-organized factions have ties to al Qaeda.
Still, as frequently happens, many in the United States and Europe are appalled at the horrors of the civil war, some of whom have called on the United States to do something. The United States has been reluctant to heed these calls. As mentioned, Washington does not have a direct interest in the outcome, since all possible outcomes are bad from its perspective. Moreover, the people who are most emphatic that something be done to stop the killings will be the first to condemn the United States when its starts killing people to stop the killings. People would die in any such intervention, since there are simply no clean ways to end a civil war.
Obama's Red Lines
U.S. President Barack Obama therefore adopted an extremely cautious strategy. He said that the United States would not get directly involved in Syria unless the al Assad regime used chemical weapons, stating with a high degree of confidence that he would not have to intervene. After all, Syrian President Bashar al Assad has now survived two years of civil war, and he is far from defeated. The one thing that could defeat him is foreign intervention, particularly by the United States. It was therefore assumed he wouldn't do the one thing Obama said would trigger U.S. action.
Al Assad is a ruthless man: He would not hesitate to use chemical weapons if he had to. He is also a very rational man: He would use chemical weapons only if that were his sole option. At the moment, it is difficult to see what desperate situation would have caused him to use chemical weapons and risk the worst. His opponents are equally ruthless, and we can imagine them using chemical weapons to force the United States to intervene and depose al Assad. But their ability to access chemical weapons is unclear, and if found out, the maneuver could cost them all Western support. It is possible that lower-ranking officers in al Assad's military used chemical weapons without his knowledge and perhaps against his wishes. It is possible that the casualties were far less than claimed. And it is possible that some of the pictures were faked.
All of these things are possible, but we simply don't know which is true. More important is that major governments, including the British and French, are claiming knowledge that al Assad carried out the attack. U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry made a speech Aug. 26 clearly building the case for a military response, and referring to the regime attack as "undeniable" and the U.S. assessment so far as "grounded in facts." Al Assad meanwhile has agreed to allow U.N. inspectors to examine the evidence onsite. In the end, those who oppose al Assad will claim his supporters concealed his guilt, and the insurgents will say the same thing if they are blamed or if the inspectors determine there is no conclusive evidence of attacks.
The truth here has been politicized, and whoever claims to have found the truth, whatever it actually is, will be charged with lying. Nevertheless, the dominant emerging story is that al Assad carried out the attack, killing hundreds of men, women and children and crossing the red line Obama set with impunity. The U.S. president is backed into a corner.
The United States has chosen to take the matter to the United Nations. Obama will make an effort to show he is acting with U.N. support. But he knows he won't get U.N. support. The Russians, allies of al Assad and opponents of U.N.-based military interventions, will veto any proposed intervention. The Chinese -- who are not close to al Assad, but also oppose the U.N.-sanctioned interventions -- will probably join them. Regardless of whether the charges against al Assad are true, the Russians will dispute them and veto any action. Going to the United Nations therefore only buys time. Interestingly, the United States declared on Sunday that it is too late for Syria to authorize inspections. Dismissing that possibility makes the United States look tough, and actually creates a situation where it has to be tough.
Consequences in Syria and Beyond
This is no longer simply about Syria. The United States has stated a condition that commits it to an intervention. If it does not act when there is a clear violation of the condition, Obama increases the chance of war with other countries like North Korea and Iran. One of the tools the United States can use to shape the behavior of countries like these without going to war is stating conditions that will cause intervention, allowing the other side to avoid crossing the line. If these countries come to believe that the United States is actually bluffing, then the possibility of miscalculation soars. Washington could issue a red line whose violation it could not tolerate, like a North Korean nuclear-armed missile, but the other side could decide this was just another Syria and cross that line. Washington would have to attack, an attack that might not have been necessary had it not had its Syria bluff called.
There are also the Russian and Iranian questions. Both have invested a great deal in supporting al Assad. They might both retaliate were someone to attack the Syrian regime. There are already rumors in Beirut that Iran has told Hezbollah to begin taking Americans hostage if the United States attacks Syria. Russia meanwhile has shown in the Snowden affair what Obama clearly regards as a hostile intent. If he strikes, he thus must prepare for Russian counters. If he doesn't strike, he must assume the Russians and Iranians will read this as weakness.
Syria was not an issue that affected the U.S. national interest until Obama declared a red line. It escalated in importance at that point not because Syria is critical to the United States, but because the credibility of its stated limits are of vital importance. Obama's problem is that the majority of the American people oppose military intervention, Congress is not fully behind an intervention and those now rooting the United States on are not bearing the bulk of the military burden -- nor will they bear the criticism that will follow the inevitable civilian casualties, accidents and misdeeds that are part of war regardless of the purity of the intent.
The question therefore becomes what the United States and the new coalition of the willing will do if the red line has been crossed. The fantasy is that a series of airstrikes, destroying only chemical weapons, will be so perfectly executed that no one will be killed except those who deserve to die. But it is hard to distinguish a man's soul from 10,000 feet. There will be deaths, and the United States will be blamed for them.
The military dimension is hard to define because the mission is unclear. Logically, the goal should be the destruction of the chemical weapons and their deployment systems. This is reasonable, but the problem is determining the locations where all of the chemicals are stored. I would assume that most are underground, which poses a huge intelligence problem. If we assume that perfect intelligence is available and that decision-makers trust this intelligence, hitting buried targets is quite difficult. There is talk of a clean cruise missile strike. But it is not clear whether these carry enough explosives to penetrate even minimally hardened targets. Aircraft carry more substantial munitions, and it is possible for strategic bombers to stand off and strike the targets.
Even so, battle damage assessments are hard. How do you know that you have destroyed the chemicals -- that they were actually there and you destroyed the facility containing them? Moreover, there are lots of facilities and many will be close to civilian targets and many munitions will go astray. The attacks could prove deadlier than the chemicals did. And finally, attacking means al Assad loses all incentive to hold back on using chemical weapons. If he is paying the price of using them, he may as well use them. The gloves will come off on both sides as al Assad seeks to use his chemical weapons before they are destroyed.
A war on chemical weapons has a built-in insanity to it. The problem is not chemical weapons, which probably can't be eradicated from the air. The problem under the definition of this war would be the existence of a regime that uses chemical weapons. It is hard to imagine how an attack on chemical weapons can avoid an attack on the regime -- and regimes are not destroyed from the air. Doing so requires troops. Moreover, regimes that are destroyed must be replaced, and one cannot assume that the regime that succeeds al Assad will be grateful to those who deposed him. One must only recall the Shia in Iraq who celebrated Saddam's fall and then armed to fight the Americans.
Arming the insurgents would keep an air campaign off the table, and so appears to be lower risk. The problem is that Obama has already said he would arm the rebels, so announcing this as his response would still allow al Assad to avoid the consequences of crossing the red line. Arming the rebels also increases the chances of empowering the jihadists in Syria.
When Obama proclaimed his red line on Syria and chemical weapons, he assumed the issue would not come up. He made a gesture to those in his administration who believe that the United States has a moral obligation to put an end to brutality. He also made a gesture to those who don't want to go to war again. It was one of those smart moves that can blow up in a president's face when it turns out his assumption was wrong. Whether al Assad did launch the attacks, whether the insurgents did, or whether someone faked them doesn't matter. Unless Obama can get overwhelming, indisputable proof that al Assad did not -- and that isn't going to happen -- Obama will either have to act on the red line principle or be shown to be one who bluffs. The incredible complexity of intervening in a civil war without becoming bogged down makes the process even more baffling.
Obama now faces the second time in his presidency when war was an option. The first was Libya. The tyrant is now dead, and what followed is not pretty. And Libya was easy compared to Syria. Now, the president must intervene to maintain his credibility. But there is no political support in the United States for intervention. He must take military action, but not one that would cause the United States to appear brutish. He must depose al Assad, but not replace him with his opponents. He never thought al Assad would be so reckless. Despite whether al Assad actually was, the consensus is that he was. That's the hand the president has to play, so it's hard to see how he avoids military action and retains credibility. It is also hard to see how he takes military action without a political revolt against him if it goes wrong, which it usually does.
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Re: [Official!] Project Horizons Comment Crew Chat thread.
by Harmony Ltd. Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:17 am
But I have to say it is quite ironic that this time it is the UK, of all powers, who refuse to join the US in one of its military expeditions, while France is answering the call.
I just hope the destruction will be limited...
I just hope the destruction will be limited...
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by Scyto Harmony Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:19 am
For once, after a million bad decisions, Stephen Harper is keeping Canada out of this conflict.
He's planning something... fucker...
He's planning something... fucker...
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Re: [Official!] Project Horizons Comment Crew Chat thread.
by Frost Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:30 am
All I know is that I'll be going wherever they send me. If that's Syria, cool. If that's some backwards-ass base in the middle of Germany, (less) cool.
I don't doubt that Obama's in a bit of a pickle here. Creating long-term stability in the region is, as always, the objective, but the Middle East seems to think of long-term stability as some sort of poisonous snake that'll sneak up on them if they don't go around revolting every few years.
I don't doubt that Obama's in a bit of a pickle here. Creating long-term stability in the region is, as always, the objective, but the Middle East seems to think of long-term stability as some sort of poisonous snake that'll sneak up on them if they don't go around revolting every few years.
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by Scyto Harmony Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:35 am
The scary thing is this is not-too-different (sort of) from how WW1 started.
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Re: [Official!] Project Horizons Comment Crew Chat thread.
by Harmony Ltd. Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:38 am
@ Frost : What's important to keep in mind when you think about the Middle East, is that the "Nations" there are artificial, the frontiers having been drawn after the end of WW1 and the fall of the Ottoman Empire.
The people over there would tend to attribute more importance to ethnicity than nationality. Which Tribe you are part of, and which faith you follow, is of more importance than which flag you live under.
The people over there would tend to attribute more importance to ethnicity than nationality. Which Tribe you are part of, and which faith you follow, is of more importance than which flag you live under.
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by Kippershy Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:41 am
That other post was interesting, though I knew it all anyway. I've heard other disturbing rumours about something Russia said, but since been told that the source isn't 100% reliable for context. Still, it was a disturbing idea and I wouldn't put it past Putin in a show of strength.Harmony Ltd. wrote:But I have to say it is quite ironic that this time it is the UK, of all powers, who refuse to join the US in one of its military expeditions, while France is answering the call.
I just hope the destruction will be limited...
As for the quoted post - it's because we're sick of being there for the U.S when they do nothing for us in return.
Falklands? Where were they then? Nowhere to be seen. Not even a 'guys, don't do that.' to the Argies.
Now that the bitch Kitchener is trying to pull that shit again, you've got some prominent U.S figures arguing for the Argentines, saying we're in the wrong somehow.
And what of Gibraltar? Not a god damn word on that.
When we've needed help, the U.S won't be there unless it's directly in their interests. When the U.S have wanted help, the only time we turned them down was Vietnam and that was because we saw it for what it truly was - a worthless, pointless, rewardless struggle that had no place in being in the first place.
We've seen the truth behind all this, we see what the cost is, what the reward is and we're not cynical to the end results, we're realistic.
Nothing can make it end well, not at this point. Even if Bashir Al-Assad turned himself in to the U.N and says Syria is to the people, it'd end up in yet more civil war for who gets to take control.
It's fucked.
The UK wants no part in this one, and our government is finally listening.
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Re: [Official!] Project Horizons Comment Crew Chat thread.
by tylertoon2 Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:44 am
Great time to be sent in eh Frost?Mister Frost wrote:All I know is that I'll be going wherever they send me. If that's Syria, cool. If that's some backwards-ass base in the middle of Germany, (less) cool.
I don't doubt that Obama's in a bit of a pickle here. Creating long-term stability in the region is, as always, the objective, but the Middle East seems to think of long-term stability as some sort of poisonous snake that'll sneak up on them if they don't go around revolting every few years.
Stay safe wherever you are sent.
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Re: [Official!] Project Horizons Comment Crew Chat thread.
by Harmony Ltd. Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:45 am
Not really. What got WW1 rolling was an intricate set of x-lateral alliances that forced people to take action if one of the parties got attacked.Scyto Harmony wrote:The scary thing is this is not-too-different (sort of) from how WW1 started.
There's no such thing today in the case of Syria, unless someone was dumb enough to declare war to the US or another member of NATO : because in this case all other members of NATO would be constrained to take action. And even then, unless Russia or China caught the stupid, there wouldn't be a risk of a World War, just a big coalition going to war against a single country or a coalition of them and steamrolling their conventional forces - I'd say two years at worse against Iran (with casualties counted in the millions, though, mostly civilians).
Now, the occupation that would happen after that steamrolling, that's where things become ugly.
But no risk of World War.
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by Scyto Harmony Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:49 am
I'll fucking hold you to that.Harmony Ltd. wrote:But no risk of World War.
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Re: [Official!] Project Horizons Comment Crew Chat thread.
by Harmony Ltd. Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:51 am
Look, everyone and their dogs know that a world war would mean Nukes flying. No one wants that.
People are not dumb. If we managed to avoid a nuclear holocaust during the fucking Cold War, you can bet your pants we're not going to start today.
People are not dumb. If we managed to avoid a nuclear holocaust during the fucking Cold War, you can bet your pants we're not going to start today.
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Re: [Official!] Project Horizons Comment Crew Chat thread.
by Kippershy Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:53 am
Not necessarily. I still think there could be a conventional war and that it would only turn nuclear if either Russia was losing or the president of America decided to say a big fuck you rather than swallow pride and let the nation fall to another.
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Re: [Official!] Project Horizons Comment Crew Chat thread.
by Scyto Harmony Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:54 am
This.Kippershy wrote:Not necessarily. I still think there could be a conventional war and that it would only turn nuclear if either Russia was losing or the president of America decided to say a big fuck you rather than swallow pride and let the nation fall to another.
I think during the cold war there would have been a threat of Nuclear War, but everyone nowadays knows that nuclear war would just kill everyone - which isn't winning, it's double losing.
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Re: [Official!] Project Horizons Comment Crew Chat thread.
by Katarn Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:56 am
Relevant.
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by Scyto Harmony Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:58 am
I'm personally fond of whoever said "America isn't the World Police".swicked wrote:Didn't someone on this forum say that the USA is basically just playing the game Risk on a global scale since we seem to need an army in every country?
At least I think that was here.
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Re: [Official!] Project Horizons Comment Crew Chat thread.
by Katarn Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:59 am
I think joke about 'Winged democracy' and 'delivering democracy by missiles' is actually really old by now.
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by Scyto Harmony Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:04 pm
Oh God I love that movie.
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