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Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion
(not related to the current chapter, but I kind of feel that this is relevant to Blackjack as a character)
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Well, now that I've finished real life obligations and am awake enough to read, I have done so.
...And...wow...where to begin? I came this close to tearing up, but not quite. Seriously, though, that part where she removed Blackjack's memories and started sending her and the others after Lacunae? I haven't felt this soul-crushed since the ending of Background Pony. Might have actually gotten me to cry, too, had there not have been random references dispersed around...
How interesting she finds out the full truth now...
Can't believe Lacunae's gone, though. That's...well, it's just sad.
Well, now to see what happens next.
Oh, and Wave...as usual, you know what you must do.
...And...wow...where to begin? I came this close to tearing up, but not quite. Seriously, though, that part where she removed Blackjack's memories and started sending her and the others after Lacunae? I haven't felt this soul-crushed since the ending of Background Pony. Might have actually gotten me to cry, too, had there not have been random references dispersed around...
The Goddess literally could not put herself in LittlePip’s horseshoes and anticipate what she might do. In a rush, I was learning more about the Stabl...
Oh dear sweet Luna. They were the same pony? They hadn’t been joking about that?! How... she... I... I couldn’t believe that a tiny, sweet, smart mare like her could be the strapping goddess of Wasteland death! I... I’d just not think about it.
How interesting she finds out the full truth now...
This was something else that broke me out of the sads. I have never forgotten the boxcar incident from Littlepip's first alicorn kill. This just made me laugh in the middle of everything.The boxcar had disappeared too.
I suddenly felt a sensation of déjà vu…
The car crashed down upon the remaining pair of greens with a squeal of broken metal.
Can't believe Lacunae's gone, though. That's...well, it's just sad.
This made me laugh, too. There's no way in hell he's staying around, though. I know I may have wished it at one point. I recall clearly doing so when I first read their encounter way back oh so long ago, but that time has definitely passed.“Shouldn’t you be shooting?” a stallion growled beside me, and I jumped as I saw the shimmer of a zebra stealth cloak. Lancer lifted his rifle and silently blew out the eyes of a hellhound with a wicked beam rifle who had been taking aim at us.
Well, now to see what happens next.
Oh, and Wave...as usual, you know what you must do.
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Oh, and I fucking knew what song that was before I clicked the link.
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@Icy Shake:
Ah, thank you as always.
Ah, thank you as always.
This one's deliberate. :)Icy Shake wrote:Goddesses-damned"? Or is she having fun here?
Ah, good idea!Icy Shake wrote:I guess it depends on general quotation capitalization practice, but I think the impact would be greater with "Blackjack" not capitalized, and the game isn't--necessarily, at least--capitalized.
I don't know, I'm afraid.Icy Shake wrote:Also, do you like Black Book capitalized, or un-? There were a couple instances of capitalized early on, then until pretty recently it was uncapitalized.
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Hinds I'm rather curious about how much the Phoenix Soul Talisman and the truly prodigious amount of soul magic interact with Rampage's anatomy on a more technical level. We know it allows perfect reincarnation, but does it allow her brain to control her body even without a physical pathway? We don't really have concrete details yet which is why I want to speculate.
I notice a lot of her deaths would have her brain or heart compromised in some way. Are you saying that Rampage's body would accept commands since the soul magic allows a non-physical connection between her brain and body? Since Rampage's brain is alive for a few seconds after decapitation, supposedly, it would be possible for the body to make the kill if the "soul magic connection" theory is true.
I notice a lot of her deaths would have her brain or heart compromised in some way. Are you saying that Rampage's body would accept commands since the soul magic allows a non-physical connection between her brain and body? Since Rampage's brain is alive for a few seconds after decapitation, supposedly, it would be possible for the body to make the kill if the "soul magic connection" theory is true.
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I'll just just point something out : Rampage doesn't lose her memories, even after painting the walls with her own brain and regenerating a new, fresh one. This is possibly a clue. Of what, I don't know, but I'll just leave this here.
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How many spoiler tags is too many?
Just remembered that, a while ago, someone was asking for favourite quotes from the story. So before I forget, here is mine:
“You don’t finish nightmares, Goldie. You wake up from them.”
Moving on.
“You don’t finish nightmares, Goldie. You wake up from them.”
Moving on.
- Chapter Reactions:
- The dragonhide thing. About time. Awesome outfit for a rescue.
Silence is gone. Movement now. Kick ass.
Forgive the major antagonist, who just violated your mind and basic equine rights? Who endangered your life, the lives of others, committed multiple cases of straight out murder and planned several worldwide genocides? “Hey. No problem."
Never change, Blackjack.
Halp? ...Halp?
Someone seriously said halp?
Durrhuuur Indie/New Vegas reference
Lancer, huh? Oh well. Boo and Dealer will get their day eventually.
“Get away from me, you freak. He cut your head off!”
Suddenly I like Lancer. It's good to have a straight man that isn't used to all... this.
Musical accompaniment! Hoo-rah!
- Couple typos:
- " already the gravity was pulling my aim back to small mare."
-BJ is a soviet stereotype now? "Dah. I vish to celebrate. Bring me vodka and small mare."
"Doubtful.no. no"
"voiced their sentiment on the revese matter."
- I Like Lacunae: A Tangent:
Okay, setting aside Rover and Cerberus and all those other bit players that I probably only like for the fact that they are side characters, Lacunae is truly my favourite out of all of them. I identify with this character more than any of the other cast members, preferring the sidelines myself. Each and every decision Lac made was one that I understood completely and instinctively, not just objectively as with some of the louder voices. There is untold value in quiet, respectful observation. And it puts one in the perfect position to lend support, popping out from the shadows to deliver much-needed care where it is needed. And that happened a lot. Even without the issue of being treated as a tool, Lacunae still seemed to see herself as a means to improve others.
I’m satisfied with this. I’ve been kind of hoping for a ‘Lacunae episode’ and this feels like exactly that. Characters with pre-meditated sacrifices tend to steal the scene quite efficiently. Though I’m sad she’ll never have that chat with Rampage. Or, for that matter, anyone besides Blackjack. But honestly that’s one of the things that made the beginning of this installment so much more... I don’t know. Tragic? Wrenching? Blackjack has shared plenty of her heartache and forged similar bonds with every other member of the group, but I don’t remember Lacunae ever opening up to anyone but Blackjack. Even Rampage has had heart-to-hearts with P-21. Lacunae kept it all to herself until she confessed to Blackjack, however recklessly. So it is Lacunae, alone with the sole true friend she’s ever had, watching the same thing that tore her into little pieces start doing the same to Blackjack.
I really liked it when she went BJ on Unity. For the first time, someone else gets to be Security. You could argue that it only happened because everything that made up Blackjack was shoved into Lacunae, but I’d say that she (Lac) believed in suffering for the sake of others long before Unity filled her with more. It’s something they both have in common, Lacunae and BJ. And tearing everyone a new one after seeing their friend suffer is exactly what either of them would have done. Put in this situation, the virtues of both mares are put into the spotlight in such a way that they seem nearly identical, kind of a funny contrast next to the failed experiment that is claiming to be doing the exact same thing. And of course it all comes to a head in the end, when Lac even says that Blackjack would be doing the exact same thing in her ‘shoes. And vice versa.
By the time the big moment came around I didn’t care about Pip or Kkat canon or any of that. I don’t care what anyone says about the relevance of the Goddess subplot or Lac’s character or any of that. I like Lacunae. She felt real to me, and that made PH feel real. I wouldn't want it different.
WavemasterRyx wrote:I'll try to write my actual commentary later, once I've stopped crying, so it may be a few days, sorry, Somber. It was a very well done chapter though, I don't care what anyone else says.
For now though, I think I can sum up all my thoughts on the chapter with this.
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Goodbye, Lacunae...
- Responses to Harmony, Downloaded Skill, Swicked:
I... I need to share this. I need to show somebody.Somber wrote:http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13757612280A72204100&page=1#8
I had a moment. Wonder how long it'll last till it gets taken down
This is valuable.swicked wrote:
That whole seconds of combat thing, though... I flipping hate it. I don't know why it ticked me off so bad, but it just struck me as so dumb I had to comment.
It made the horror of the situation comical, to me, but in the worst way. I wanted that fear, to see this horrible blank-ness from inside unity, and that made the whole thing feel silly. A pointless statistic formed more of innane assumptions than cold-blooded, emotionless, pragmatic strategy.
...Great, now I can't stop being bugged by that. I wouldn't bat an eyelash if it wasn't for that 'point nine' bit. Seventeen seconds just sounds arrogant, seventeen point nine sounds weird.Downloaded Skill wrote:
The Meeting
So if I'm reading this right Somber justifies the break from canon about The Goddess knowing the names by saying that the Goddess accidentally stole the emotional memory orb memories from Littlepip's mind? The emotional memories gave crucial context to the name which struck her silent?
So the memories tripped a kind of emotional influx which was magnified when the Goddess sorted through Lacunae's memories? It returned her core personalities to their true selves which made them realize their error and overpower the Goddess personality?
The way I read it, the memory orbs were on the surface of Pip's thoughts, right next to Telepathy Central, so she couldn't tune them out. And since Pip wasn't connected to Unity like Blackjack was, she couldn't just purge this new information to avoid moral contamination.
Fable dungeon. Details don't need to be specific, so long as it's an inescapable prison. Nightmare Moon was in an oubliette. The standard, "1000 years when the stars align," deal. May not be an official definition, but this is how I hear it used.swicked wrote:
Question: Oubliette? Dictionary gives... “a dungeon made so that the only way in or out is through a trapdoor at the top”?
THAT is what Blackjack thinks her name would be?
Oh... Somebody beat me to this. Harmonyyyyy!Harmony Ltd. wrote:Well, I've kind of always assumed there was some amount of "cartoon physic" in the setting (FoE at large) -I think it's that thing Mel' and Hinds were calling "narrative causality" in that other thread ?-, so I'd chalk that one up on that. Some times weird things just happen that don't really make sense => (in)famous example : Pinkie Sense.
Anyway => "tried for humor" : it was successful as far as I'm concerned. I sort of imagined the "oh fuck" face of the guy she slammed.
Yeah. I can't get upset at these gags if they seem to work well enough. That said, what I'm remembering is more of a condescending pat followed by a beatdown, which doesn't tickle my funnybone quite right and leaves me with too much room to question this mysterious cognizance. If, on the other end, it was Rampage's body blindly reaching out, finding the hellhound, tapping it once or twice as if to say, "Is this what I'm looking for? It is!" followed by the merciless beating, then I find that suitably hilarious, enough to not question the logistics. It's a gag, a well known one too, and its existence is justified within the framework of a cartoon (off of which FoE is based).
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I don't know, I'm afraid; I was but hypothesizing.Downloaded Skill wrote:Hinds I'm rather curious about how much the Phoenix Soul Talisman and the truly prodigious amount of soul magic interact with Rampage's anatomy on a more technical level. We know it allows perfect reincarnation, but does it allow her brain to control her body even without a physical pathway? We don't really have concrete details yet which is why I want to speculate.
I notice a lot of her deaths would have her brain or heart compromised in some way. Are you saying that Rampage's body would accept commands since the soul magic allows a non-physical connection between her brain and body? Since Rampage's brain is alive for a few seconds after decapitation, supposedly, it would be possible for the body to make the kill if the "soul magic connection" theory is true.
@Meleagridis:
Thank you for the error spotting, though the three that you pointed out were actually already reported (sorry).
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swicked wrote:
It occures to me, if her healing talisman were somehow suspended, this would be hillarious in old world blues.
"Ah! The lobotomite speaks! It must be the almighty Tesla Coil we... no, wait, I have that right here. Huh..."
I'm trying to think of who would be the best one to place in Big Mt. Rampage would be fun, but she'd have the same solution to everything. Glory would probably science through everything... and fly over the rest. P-21 would just sneak through it all.
Y'know, for some reason my brain is saying Snails. Snails or Boo.
Addendum: This was before I saw what Rampage would do to the Think Tank. Now I'm not so sure.
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This chapter was... well done. It felt different, but in a good way. It was short compared to some of the previous monster chapters, but the flow and pacing were good. The melding to cannon was handled very well, definitely no qualms there.
Off the wall, I have to say I really like how Blackjack was mildly horrified at Lil'Pip's "Master Plan".
Hey, imagine what would have happened if Lacunae had died in the balefire, and all those alicorns had left Maripony WITHOUT getting back their memories and hearts? It would've been like the Zerg when their Overmind died: indiscriminate bloody slaughter, everywhere. Come to think of it, Blackjack just saved the wasteland way more than Lil'Pip!
Man, that violin music really brought home her (apparent) death for me. Very appropriate choice! Lacunae's sendoff was touching enough to move from denial to acceptance in relatively short order. Come to think of it, if Lacunae too has no original soul, then Rampage should be able to take a little comfort in the fact that she was not alone.
I thought one of the problems with Unity was that it only had unicorns in it? Was this changed/retconned at some point? Am I simply crazy?
One of the problems with the Goddess was that by cramming divergent views into a single entity (Lacunae), Unity became overspecialized to the point that she had massive blindspots, and relying on the mind of a mare with terrible foresight was not nearly enough to make up for these shortcomings.
Now we only need to deal with Cognetium, and Hoofington city. Good thing Blackjack has her epic tier armour, and a magic bullet. :)
Off the wall, I have to say I really like how Blackjack was mildly horrified at Lil'Pip's "Master Plan".
Hey, imagine what would have happened if Lacunae had died in the balefire, and all those alicorns had left Maripony WITHOUT getting back their memories and hearts? It would've been like the Zerg when their Overmind died: indiscriminate bloody slaughter, everywhere. Come to think of it, Blackjack just saved the wasteland way more than Lil'Pip!
Man, that violin music really brought home her (apparent) death for me. Very appropriate choice! Lacunae's sendoff was touching enough to move from denial to acceptance in relatively short order. Come to think of it, if Lacunae too has no original soul, then Rampage should be able to take a little comfort in the fact that she was not alone.
Goddess wrote:Triumphant, a pegasus within Unity identified.
I thought one of the problems with Unity was that it only had unicorns in it? Was this changed/retconned at some point? Am I simply crazy?
I loved this scene. It really reminded me of a moment in Animorphs where the main character, Jake, has his head infested by a brain-dwelling parasite. The parasite then uses Jake's paranoid brain to imagine all the events and threats in the surrounding area, to no avail.Blackjack wrote:
I was already imagining it. LittlePip was smart. She’d try and hit the Goddess in some way the Goddess wouldn’t see coming. Maybe she was going to dump those thousands and thousands of memory orbs that had been hidden under Shattered Hoof into the Goddess. No clue what would happen. The Goddess made sure she’d telekinetically repel anything small and round. The Black Book? Maybe she had some spell to affect the souls in Unity? That was pondered gravely. What if LittlePip could extract the Goddess’s soul from Unity and bind it in a soul jar? Or an even more powerful spell. Twilight recalled the zebra lore of a star falling on Equestria. Perhaps that?
One of the problems with the Goddess was that by cramming divergent views into a single entity (Lacunae), Unity became overspecialized to the point that she had massive blindspots, and relying on the mind of a mare with terrible foresight was not nearly enough to make up for these shortcomings.
Now we only need to deal with Cognetium, and Hoofington city. Good thing Blackjack has her epic tier armour, and a magic bullet. :)
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If my memory serves it's not that Unity as a whole was only made from Unicorns, just that because the main four that made up the Goddess was only Unicorns that there was a bit of a problem.
That's the big thing about Red Eye's plan. He wanted a suitable unicorn and Pegasus to take the dip with him, an Earth pony, to hopefully get the even balance and mix that The Goddess and her Unity seemed to lack.
And I guess hopefully the fact the God/Goddess he was trying to create would actually be able to make male Alicorns since it wouldn't be all mares as the main and core component. I really don't remember if that was a goal for Red Eye as well or if I'm misremembering as a whole.
That's the big thing about Red Eye's plan. He wanted a suitable unicorn and Pegasus to take the dip with him, an Earth pony, to hopefully get the even balance and mix that The Goddess and her Unity seemed to lack.
And I guess hopefully the fact the God/Goddess he was trying to create would actually be able to make male Alicorns since it wouldn't be all mares as the main and core component. I really don't remember if that was a goal for Red Eye as well or if I'm misremembering as a whole.
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- Ch. 58 Commentary:
Please tell me this isn't BJ's usual level of writing. Surely being in Stable Security requires you to fill out paperwork and written reports.‘wanted to give you this. Take Fleur and go home. Stop Lighthoves. Hope I see you again. Sorrie if I don’t. Talk to
Love you. Blackjack.
PS: don’t freek out. Last nite was awesem. Giv 21 a hug frm
I have a whole lot of nothing to say through this entire section. I'm just getting swept along with the story, and it's just... so wonderful in its stark hopelessness.The Operative walked the Wasteland once more.
You tell 'em, Lac! ...not that it'll do any good, but the fact that she can talk back to the Goddess is so beautiful. Compare this Lacunae to the mare we met back at Chapel. The difference couldn't be clearer.“I… will… not!” Lacunae roared in response to the dark skies overhead.
This is just a fantastic way to describe what's wrong with the Unity in a nutshell.I knew them, and they knew me, and yet… something was wrong. Okay, maybe I didn’t have much of a right to judge the state of telepathic mass minds, but as I felt all those different intellects, there were so many and so… little.
That was good for a giggle in spite of the circumstances.Oh dear sweet Luna. They were the same pony? They hadn’t been joking about that?! How... she... I... I couldn’t believe that a tiny, sweet, smart mare like her could be the strapping goddess of Wasteland death!
Holy crap. Holy crap! It never even occurred to me that you deliberately set that up so that BJ wouldn't know exactly what Pip needed from Red Eye!Of course, I’d been half drunk the whole time and had no clue what LittlePip had actually gone there for, just that she’d done it. She’d needed… what? Information?
MIND = BLOWN
I was afraid of that. If most minds in the Unity are empty, Twilight must be emptier than most.This was Twilight Sparkle’s plan… a Twilight stripped away of compassion and concern and ethics.
Nice parallels with the Eater of Souls.There would be only alicorns and their Goddess, a mother and her children. One mind. One will. One note united forever. ... The Goddess had become like a void sucking in everything good and transforming it into more of itself.
"Tenser, said the Tensor..." :DFill your head with horribly catchy pre-war pop songs that would drive anypony crazy?
;_;I… I should be doing something. Following something with my friends. Scotch Tape… and… and who was she? And there’d been another… I could see them for an instant: a blue stallion and a gray pegasus. They were frustrated with me… amused by me… I loved them… I…
I loved who?
This part is heartbreaking and absolutely chilling. I can't say anything else about it.
This fight is totally awesome. There haven't been many magic duels in PH, but this one is making up for it in spades! I love how the magic, bullets, and brawling all mix together in this constant, flowing ballet.Only she flipped upside down completely the instant I made contact. I tried to flap my wings, but I was aberrant as well. Heavy. I passed through the bottom of her shield with an electric crackle and slammed into the muddy ground.
Wahahaha! Trixie's not going to trust trains, either, now!The boxcar had disappeared too.
I suddenly felt a sensation of déjà vu…
Psalm's talent, fillies and gentlecolts.I could see it glowing in the middle of that jumbled mess of memories… the one true thing that was Lacunae’s and only hers. Hope.
"The dark is generous and it is patient and it always wins -- but in the heart of its strength lies its weakness: one lone candle is enough to hold it back."
I'm trying to imagine what event(s) this is referring to.According to classified notes discovered in the facility, #8 and #9 had performed marvelously.
It's no refrigerator, but it'll do.To the side I saw a pair of large rocks about three feet high and five or six feet long arranged in a wedge pointing towards the crater. It was the only thing in that blasted landscape that might count as cover.
Love this imagery!her shield already blown apart like a paper bag with a grenade in it.
And there's the downside to my whole 'personality is the person' philosophy. It's good to support Rampage's personhood, but when Lac loses the scraps that made up her personality... *sniff*I am a collection of memories and feelings placed within my body, and that gave rise to my consciousness. If I give those memories back…
I wonder if Psalm is going to be trotting around with 200 years of Lac's memories, now. Even if the personality is gone, the memories should be stored somewhere in her brain...
Heh. You went there too.I finally came to a stop at the base next to a large rusty refrigerator on the banks of a muddy creek. I saw, as I struggled to sit up, a pony skeleton lying curled up on its side within the metal container. I looked at it a moment, wondering how the bones, the refrigerator, and an old gambler’s hat came to be on the banks of this muddy little trickle in the middle of nowhere.
Woo! Cavalry!Then the air was split by the crack of four hooves impacting against the side of a hellhound’s skull, and I stared at the sight of a blue pegasus with a rainbow mane slamming into the hellhound above me.
Hee! Well, he HAS shot her enough times to pass the initiation.“The Proditor said it was the ‘Blackjack defeat effect’.”
This doesn't seem physically possible!Then paused as Rampage’s decapitated body reached out with her power hooves and touched its face, patted its cheek, and then smashed a powerhoof upside its head.
This chapter should have been named "Gravity".“But Blackjack has this certain gravity that keeps us all coming back to her.”
Oh, now you're just doing that on purpose.We sat in a circle on the deck, with Boo at the helm, seeming fascinated by the wheel. Somepony had put an old captain’s hat on her head, and the sight was so ridiculous and precious that I couldn’t keep from smiling a little when I looked over at her.
(I approve of Boo Dress-Up as a running gag. XD)
P.S. Who is driving? Oh my god, Boo is driving! How can that be?!
At last! I'm really glad everyone's being calm and rational about this and giving BJ the chance to explain herself. I think it kind of speaks to Glory's increasing confidence that she's no longer terrified out of her wits by BJ vanishing.Aboard the Fleur and away from the ground, I told them everything.
Good luck, Somber! Don't get abducted by a Legion raiding party!This month I’m moving down to vegas, so I can’t put an honest ETA on when 59 will be out. School is starting too, so things are going to get interesting soon. I hope things work out for me both professionally and financially so I can keep plugging away at Horizons.
Overall thoughts: My perception of events at Maripony in FOE was frantic and chaotic, while this chapter depicted them as more sedate, with time for the Goddess to consider and argue and break down. Granted, 30 minutes is a long time, and all that Unity stuff could take place at the speed of thought. It's not that I object, really, I just had to keep readjusting my sense of urgency. But, looking back at FOE, it was actually a full two minutes between >BOMB and "CHILDREN! FLEE!" so I assume you did your homework on that front.
I was really feeling exhausted by the time the hellhounds attacked, but the arrival of BJ's friends injected fresh life right when it was needed most. A real high point in the chapter! This one was pretty heavy, but it fit together very well both with itself and with FOE. So, um... great job!
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This should end with a period.I’d forgotten to give it to her… being thrown against a wall by an irate marefriend can have that effect…
Removed into Lacunae, or pulled out into a memory orb before the Last Day? The subsequent reference, "What if there was a clue in one of those missing moments that had been thrown away because the thought of her friend hurt so very much?" doesn't necessarily clarify.It was a huge unknown, but it was all the more frustrating because every memory of Twilight studying the Black Book with Rarity had been removed.
still, she smiled.And how she moved… as if she were in pain… still she smiled.
Twilight has a desk in Rarity's office? I think you meant Rarity's desk.“Rarity… they’re amazing! I… I don’t deserve them,” I said as I lifted the rest out. “They’re so lifelike.” I said as I assembled them on my desk.
"Keeping them a set" tricked me on the first reading. I read it as a misprint of "keeping a set". I'd make it, "keeping them together as a set".While I originally planned on keeping them a set… I really couldn’t.
Remove "away".This was Twilight Sparkle’s plan… a Twilight stripped away of compassion and concern and ethics.
No comma after "gutted".Aside from some gutted, concrete storage buildings and some rusted train cars, there was nothing of interest here.
Remove "around".Gun smoke wreathed around the black form.
take them a whileThe pair had gotten their shields up in time, but it’d take themselves a while to disentangle themselves from the wreckage.
perfectly, oneEven after two centuries, the rifle fit together perfectly one piece into another.
.50 caliberWithin was a .50 round of black diamond carefully etched with magic glyphs.
entries, akinOf course the Goddess knew who they were, but to the Goddess they were four flat entries akin to what one might feel reading a dictionary.
This sentence... needs work.The fall of Canterlot and Rarity touching the melted glass tore through unity like a fresh wound that ached with the image of the unicorn skeleton with her hoof melted to the glass.
colossal, swirling, gray machineA colossal swirling gray machine of death.
"Power armor wings" sounds awkward to me. I'd use "power-armored wings", or better yet, "power-armored air wings" to make it clear you're talking about formation-wings, not limb-wings. And comma after "about".Beneath the power armor wings, small pegasus camera teams flew about capturing the glorious sight.
pointed, star-covered capThe old stallion clapped his hooves together, laughing uproariously. “Bravo!” He levitated his star covered pointed cap and set it atop the beaming filly’s head.”
Excess quote mark at the end.
That wasn't an 'ask'.“I don’t want to die,” the Goddess asked, fearful and small.
once, gravity reversed, now pushingI didn’t know how the Enclave would take it, but all at once gravity reversed and now was pushing me away from Maripony.
laboriously pulling away.I checked above me and saw the Raptors and the Triumphant pulling away laboriously.
side, ITo the side I saw a pair of large rocks about three feet high and five or six feet long arranged in a wedge pointing towards the crater.
long, arranged
strange, shimmeryThen, in advance of the flame, a strange shimmery bubble of air blew out from the crater.
"Every dead tree" and "like so many matchsticks" don't match, no pun intended. Should be "Dead trees were snapped..."Every dead tree was snapped in two and tossed on the wind like so many matchsticks.
XenithZenith escaped on the griffinchaser,
you, and I stillBelieve me, I almost gave myself a seizure trying to tell you and still couldn’t do it.
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Let me rephrase the query: after Lacuna's personality dissemination, wouldn't her body contain Psalm's soul and fragments of Psalm's memory?
Of course, if it was so, Psalm would probably take her own life immediately, but still.
I think it was.
Of course, if it was so, Psalm would probably take her own life immediately, but still.
I really don't remember if that was a goal for Red Eye as well or if I'm misremembering as a whole.
I think it was.
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Awesome chapter, though I've heard that song used as satire far too many times to take it seriously anymore, but that's my own fault I guess - It was a good choice.
On a side note, does anyone know if there's a list of the songs linked in PH around somewhere? They always accompanied amazing scenes.
As for fan music I'd imagine there's a list of it on the FOE resource site.
On a side note, does anyone know if there's a list of the songs linked in PH around somewhere? They always accompanied amazing scenes.
As for fan music I'd imagine there's a list of it on the FOE resource site.
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Hello. Decided to register just so I could toss in a comment here and there. I've been reading PH since about February. As a professional lurker, I also skimmed through most of the comment threads on it while I was reading (yes, there were tens of thousands of comments...) at EQD and here.
I have to say, Somber: I enjoyed FO:E a great deal. It appealed to me on many levels, though it certainly has its flaws. However, PH goes a bit beyond simple entertainment. The fact that the story is about colorful ponies in the magical land of post-apocalyptic Equestria doesn't even faze me anymore. It's been one hell of an experience for me, evoking every emotion imaginable and taking me through feelings I didn't know I had. Honestly, when I read 33 I had to take a break from the story for two weeks just to process everything that had happened up to there. That wasn't a bad thing, though. It was just very, very intense.
What's funny is that, despite the content, I don't even feel like PH is "grimdark". There's way too much hope, fun, adventure, silliness, comedy, friendship, and other positive aspects for that. PH treads a fine line between grim darkness and hopeful light. For every atrocity, there's a triumph. For every worry, there's the thought of a better tomorrow. I honestly don't enjoy standard grimdark stories (e.g. Game of Thrones isn't really my thing), but it's this mixture of positivity with darkness that really sets stories like PH (and FO:E) apart for me. The darkness and horror emphasize the adventure and moments of happiness, making them that much sweeter and more meaningful. I find it inspiring that you've managed to mix MLP's core values into the story in such a fundamental way.
I know that as a writer you prefer hearing reasons and explanations to mindless compliments, and I could probably write a couple hundred pages detailing my thoughts on PH, but for the time being (I don't know if I'll post more or not) I'm going to keep this relatively simple: I think PH is incredible. I don't care how long it takes to finish; I agree with the school of thought that since PH isn't a novel and acts more like a serial, criticizing it for its length is only tangentially relevant (though criticisms related to pacing in individual arcs are certainly valid, I have no issue with its pacing so far). So long as the character interaction continues to be as varied and interesting as it is, I could probably read it forever.
I hope everything works out for you in your life, Somber. You don't know me, but I do care about what happens to you. Thank you for putting so much of yourself into making this story the best you can, and also to the editors and everyone else who helps with the story.
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I have to say, Somber: I enjoyed FO:E a great deal. It appealed to me on many levels, though it certainly has its flaws. However, PH goes a bit beyond simple entertainment. The fact that the story is about colorful ponies in the magical land of post-apocalyptic Equestria doesn't even faze me anymore. It's been one hell of an experience for me, evoking every emotion imaginable and taking me through feelings I didn't know I had. Honestly, when I read 33 I had to take a break from the story for two weeks just to process everything that had happened up to there. That wasn't a bad thing, though. It was just very, very intense.
What's funny is that, despite the content, I don't even feel like PH is "grimdark". There's way too much hope, fun, adventure, silliness, comedy, friendship, and other positive aspects for that. PH treads a fine line between grim darkness and hopeful light. For every atrocity, there's a triumph. For every worry, there's the thought of a better tomorrow. I honestly don't enjoy standard grimdark stories (e.g. Game of Thrones isn't really my thing), but it's this mixture of positivity with darkness that really sets stories like PH (and FO:E) apart for me. The darkness and horror emphasize the adventure and moments of happiness, making them that much sweeter and more meaningful. I find it inspiring that you've managed to mix MLP's core values into the story in such a fundamental way.
I know that as a writer you prefer hearing reasons and explanations to mindless compliments, and I could probably write a couple hundred pages detailing my thoughts on PH, but for the time being (I don't know if I'll post more or not) I'm going to keep this relatively simple: I think PH is incredible. I don't care how long it takes to finish; I agree with the school of thought that since PH isn't a novel and acts more like a serial, criticizing it for its length is only tangentially relevant (though criticisms related to pacing in individual arcs are certainly valid, I have no issue with its pacing so far). So long as the character interaction continues to be as varied and interesting as it is, I could probably read it forever.
I hope everything works out for you in your life, Somber. You don't know me, but I do care about what happens to you. Thank you for putting so much of yourself into making this story the best you can, and also to the editors and everyone else who helps with the story.
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Lacunae was a very strange being, but wasn't she at her base still built off of Psalm? Maybe Psalm will come back together, and keep some memories of being Lacunae? Psalm isn't Lacuane, but I'd like some part of Lacuane to live on, and for Psalm to have a second chance.
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- This was my thought exactly. If Lacunae sent all the stolen memories back to their original bodies, that would make Psalm's memories go to her body. Then that leaves the memories Lacunae developed during her travels with BJ, which should also go to Psalm's body. The resulting entity won't be the same as Lacunae, but she'll be a variant of Psalm that has already dealt with many of her issues (through Lacunae's experiences) and has a particular affinity for BJ's group. That could make her stable enough to not kill herself. This could definitely make for an interesting character. I figure that Twilight's mind was stronger than Psalm's, and so dominated the body while her presence remained, but once Twilight fades away, Psalm might regain control. I hope we haven't seen the last of Psalmunae.
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Certainly, it's true that PH is viewed as grimdark by many sources (this thread's title included), and I'm not trying to argue that it's objectively not grimdark. It's not a well-defined term, after all. Obviously, there's going to be a lot of disagreement because of that. For my purposes only, to qualify as "grimdark", it's not adequate just for a story to contain horrifying themes. Those themes need to be dominant, and more importantly, hopelessness needs to be a constant theme throughout the story. PH is (very roughly) a 50/50 mix of dark themes and lighter themes, and that's a big difference compared to verifiably grimdark media like Warhammer 40k, where hopelessness is the defining feature of the property.
Like I said though, I'm not trying trying to force this definition on anyone. That's just how I feel about it.
Like I said though, I'm not trying trying to force this definition on anyone. That's just how I feel about it.
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Welcome Sparklecake. You have a very interesting idea. It'll be interesting to see if you do. :3 Also, I don't see PH as Grimdark either. I like to think of it as 'epic adventure'. Things happen that are dramatic all heading towards a heroic climax. I hope that it come out well.
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Oh, I'm not upset. I was just trying to be explicit about how I feel about it. Sorry if I came off that way. I also agree with everything you just wrote, short of semantics.
Somber, "epic adventure" is word-for-word how I've described it in the past. It makes me very happy to know that's the same term you use. Looking forward to the future.
Somber, "epic adventure" is word-for-word how I've described it in the past. It makes me very happy to know that's the same term you use. Looking forward to the future.
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Certainly, it's true that PH is viewed as grimdark by many sources (this thread's title included), and I'm not trying to argue that it's objectively not grimdark. It's not a well-defined term, after all.
Grimdark isn't a real word.
...
Well, I suppose that it has become a word, now. If I'm right, it's supposed to define a piece where the "dark" element has been deliberately turned up so high that it doesn't really make sense anymore, like in Warhammer 40.000 (where it's the grim darkness of the far future and there's only war).
And PH certainly has a lot of dark elements, but it's not the main defining quality. [see above posts for well-worded explanations of what is]
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Indeed, though I'd personally call that realistic writing (in that things that should be reasonably expected to happen tend to happen, which is one of my favorite parts of PH), not grimdark.swicked wrote:The grimdark comes from a dedication to the work and his characters, not in the least any desire to be "grimdark".
Yeah, that's pretty much exactly what I mean. As grimdark isn't a "real word", it's not well-defined, so it's hard to say if something is or isn't grimdark. In my personal view of things, PH isn't grimdark, but I have no problem with those who choose to view it as such.Valikdu wrote:
Grimdark isn't a real word.
...
Well, I suppose that it has become a word, now. If I'm right, it's supposed to define a piece where the "dark" element has been deliberately turned up so high that it doesn't really make sense anymore, like in Warhammer 40.000 (where it's the grim darkness of the far future and there's only war).
And PH certainly has a lot of dark elements, but it's not the main defining quality. [see above posts for well-worded explanations of what is]
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Thank you as always for the error spotting.
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Thank you as always for the error spotting.
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Thanks! And thanks as well for your work on the story.O. Hinds wrote:@Sparklecake:
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Thank you, Hinds. I just had to do something for her... it's not as good as she deserves, though.O. Hinds wrote:Yes, I saw that on your tumblr and thought that that was probably what it was for; I think that it does its job quite well. Good luck with the crying (hopefully you don't wear glasses; I do, so whenever my eyes water too much I have a choice between disabling my vision for a bit or getting saltwater stains on the lenses).
And thank you again... I do wear glasses, but they only keep me from straining my eyes, so I can see without them, I just get migraines from it, and I'm used to washing the tears off them. I managed to make it through writing my commentary without sobbing uncontrollably again, at least. Still cried quite a bit though...
Hello, sir. I hope you enjoy your stay here.Sparklecake wrote:Hello. Decided to register just so I could toss in a comment here and there. I've been reading PH since about February. As a professional lurker, I also skimmed through most of the comment threads on it while I was reading (yes, there were tens of thousands of comments...) at EQD and here.
I'm very sorry you're having trouble again, sir... I really do hope things get better for you soon...Somber wrote:Right now I'm in extreme pain from a bad tooth. Take everything I say with that in mind.
Please just try to take care of yourself, sir, and remember that I believe in you.
I think you did a very commendable job with this chapter, sir, especially for how important it was to FoE.
Thank you for writing Project Horizons, and thank you to Hinds and Bronode for all of your help with it. And a special thanks to your three guest assistants as well.
*hugs each of you gently*
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This will probably be a considerably shorter commentary, because I want to try and get it done before I start crying too much to see, again. Despite how gravely the loss of Lacunae saddens me, I still think it was a good chapter, I would like to think you achieved what you had wanted from writing it.
I'm sure some people will complain about Blackjack leaving the note for Glory, but I'm very glad she was able to do so. I think it does set some small undertone of hope for a happier ending to the chapter.
The analysis of how to kill Pip's party, and the way the Goddess so quickly and offhandedly kills the two griffons through Blackjack is certainly unnerving.
Lacunae's reaction to seeing Blackjack in Psalm's armor is what made me first start to really cry while reading. It's a very emotional scene.
The description of the memories inside Lacunae being like "colored stones tagged with cutie marks" is quite an interesting visual.
I'm still angry at Goldenblood, but at least he apologized, for whatever it's worth. Getting to see Rarity give Twilight her statuettes was incredibly touching. At least they were able to share that one little moment together...
The Goddess' vision of the future is pretty terrifying... Especially with the note of "she knew the effectiveness of Stable 99". With Blackjack's mention of how small and empty Unity seemed outside of Hoofington, it really does make it quite a sad future.
Blackjack's laughter and taunting as she tells the Goddess how she'd kill her in LittlePip's place is fairly chilling as well.
And then this scene... I think when the Goddess tears apart Blackjack's mind is when I really lost it crying...
The following fight between Blackjack, Lacunae, and the alicorns is incredibly well done, and terrifying.
I think your explanation for the Goddess' reaction to the four names was completely reasonable.
The flashes of memory as she tries to find out about balefire were very touching. The way the memories eat away at the Goddess was handled very well, I think.
The alicorns all trying to escape, the Goddess apologizing and trying to help Blackjack... and Blackjack forgiving her as only she could... was all incredibly emotional.
The description of the balefire blast was very well done, and the image of Lacunae absorbing the radiation and using it to save Blackjack was incredible as well.
I know she did the right thing, and I know you can't save everypony, but I'm going to miss Lacunae. She was real, existed, and she deserved a chance to be happy. I thought I was prepared for it, but I wasn't at all...
When I was through reading the chapter I just sat there and cried, I don't even know how long.
It was hard even to smile at Boo in the Captain's hat after that, but it was nice that they were able to find Blackjack safely. And even if I couldn't laugh, I think you did manage the humorous aspect of their reunion perfectly fine.
With everything going on, I'd actually forgotten that the whole reason Lancer had sprung his ambush in the first place was from hearing the Goddess take over Blackjack... it's nice that he had the sense enough to help...
It's also good that nothing bad happened with P-21 and Glory waking up together, I realy was worried about how they'd react.
I think the reminiscing at the end was a very important touch...
Goodbye, Lacunae.
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I'm sorry about all the tears, but you can take some consolation that you've better eyesight than me.WavemasterRyx wrote:I do wear glasses, but they only keep me from straining my eyes, so I can see without them, I just get migraines from it, and I'm used to washing the tears off them.
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I don't think it was really possible to get inside Lacunae's head; certainly not easy, anyway. That said, I did like her, more from how she interacted with others (mostly Blackjack) than from connecting with her. She's not my favorite or anything, if we were to play favorites, but it was always nice and sort of cute/awkward/charming when she came out of her shell (or, more often, was forced out) for an instant.
I don't think it was really possible to get inside Lacunae's head; certainly not easy, anyway. That said, I did like her, more from how she interacted with others (mostly Blackjack) than from connecting with her. She's not my favorite or anything, if we were to play favorites, but it was always nice and sort of cute/awkward/charming when she came out of her shell (or, more often, was forced out) for an instant.
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Kaidon wrote:On a side note, does anyone know if there's a list of the songs linked in PH around somewhere? They always accompanied amazing scenes.
As for fan music I'd imagine there's a list of it on the FOE resource site.
So I tried looking to see if that list existed somewhere, and while there's a bunch of fan music on youtube I couldn't find anything. I did find this little animation, which I'm sorry to say is hilarious. And then I took a look at the FoE resource site, which I kinda haven't looked at much before.
Take a look. 79 pages, with 20 items on each page. Basically, wow.
Also, there's no way to sort for music and PH at the same time. So I guess it doesn't actually have a list of PH music, and there's also no list of of the songs PH links to that I can find.
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Derpmind wrote:
Also, there's no way to sort for music and PH at the same time. :how:So I guess it doesn't actually have a list of PH music, and there's also no list of of the songs PH links to that I can find.
I suppose I'll wait until PH has ended and I inevitably re-read it and find the songs :P
I just remember that the hightower 'boss fight' against the warden, and Blackjack teaming up with the various gangers against the Harbingers and Deus, were both scenes accompanied by songs which really strengthened the immersion.
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Okay I'm running out the door so I don't have time to elaborate or catch up and check if someone else said this already, but if I don't mention it now I'll just forget.
What if Psalm decides she's gonna finish Operation Partypooper?
What if Psalm decides she's gonna finish Operation Partypooper?
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Kaidon wrote:Derpmind wrote:
Also, there's no way to sort for music and PH at the same time. :how:So I guess it doesn't actually have a list of PH music, and there's also no list of of the songs PH links to that I can find.
I suppose I'll wait until PH has ended and I inevitably re-read it and find the songs :P
I just remember that the hightower 'boss fight' against the warden, and Blackjack teaming up with the various gangers against the Harbingers and Deus, were both scenes accompanied by songs which really strengthened the immersion.
Hey, I can find those two! The first scene's from the hightower arch, which I narrowed down to chapter 48, Inferno, so a quick ctfl+f for Warden got me a link to Night on Bald Mountain. The second scene is from the chapter Reaper, which is #42, and this is where I kinda got stuck re-reading the entire chapter because it's awesome. Anyways, while there's a part during the big fight where music starts playing, there's no link there. Maybe the link was removed? It really looks like there should be one there.
Also, found this little bit:
Somber, how the hell do you do keep doing this? Are you so good at writing believable stuff that Life's Irony just naturally creeps in?Ch. 42 wrote:My magic’s strength wasn’t sufficient to swing Taurus’ rifle around, so I copied his style and braced it with my forelegs and shoulder as I slowly panned across the Harbingers amassed outside. Not a lot of talking… just a whole lot of waiting. For a moment, I rested the crosshairs on the head of an unaware mare. I could kill her right now; take out one of my enemies. I shuddered and pointed the gun away. No, I’d never be a sniper.
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