Re: [Official!] Project Horizons Comment Crew Chat thread.

[Sindri]

So in short it's not just a shitty mary sue, it's a shitty moeblob mary sue built for a shitty story built around a shitty aesop and filled with more shitty mary sue OCs. I'll get right around to never looking at that again.

[Downloaded Skill]

Things like this are one of the reasons I love grimdark as much as I do. I really don't like the I'M SO FUCKING ADORABLE AND YOU WILL LOVE ME OR EVERYONE WILL HATE YOU! characters that are all over the place.

[Ironmonger]

I really fucking hate this fandom sometimes because most of what I personally see is people who say stuff like "If you don't like this, you're retarded." and actually seriously mean that rather than in jest, and a lot of them do NOT seem to know how to use proper logic. Sheesh, the only decent people I've found so far are in the FoE community, and the best are right here on Cloudsville.
EDIT: Actually, I have found decent people in the Vamponies group on FimFiction, but that's a rare exception in my experience.

End of aneurysm rant.

[Downloaded Skill]

A shame really that that video is immune to criticism. It has the elements of something that people to defend regardless of its merits. A disabled child, tear jerking elements / attempts, being a 15 minute fanimation.

Logical discourse gets shut down. Any attempt of criticism, constructive or otherwise, will be construed as hatred. By that point there really isn't a point to talking about it in the mainstream since there is basically an enforced echo chamber.

[Guest]

My thoughts on it:

Spoiler:

@Ironmonger
That's just literally anyone ever. Well, not anyone, but it's more of a human condition thing than a fandom thing. See anyone with an ideology who hasn't actually thought and talked enough about said ideology with others, for instance.

@Downloaded Skill
Well, this is hatred, in fairness. =P

[StoneSlinger88]

I can appreciate the effort put into Snowdrop, but it kinda felt like an honest attempt at this is what I was watching.

Spoiler:

[Ironmonger]

@Ironmonger
That's just literally anyone ever. Well, not anyone, but it's more of a human condition thing than a fandom thing. See anyone with an ideology who hasn't actually thought and talked enough about said ideology with others, for instance.

Well...alright, I'll keep that in mind. It's just one of those things that really rubs me the wrong way, and the fan-issues with Snowdrops just kinda touched a few nerves.

[RoboRed]

-Have a heart, will you?!
-Don't mind if I do!

Spoiler:

Robo like...

@Snowflake: It was....mediocre. That's the best I can say about it.

Also, did anyone besides me notice the animation errors like the foals just "vanishing" off the side of the screen at the end of the classroom scene? Kinda drove me nuts. How the hell did they overlook that? I've had some experience with Flash and I know that that is not something hard to fix.

[Ironmonger]

I found a thing that kinda made me go:
Big mofo of a knife.

[StoneSlinger88]

I want King Kong.

[Guest]

I found a thing that kinda made me go:
Big mofo of a knife.

Sometimes, the line between knife and sword grows blurred and porous. This... is not one of those times. That's a sword. =P

[Ironmonger]

Normally I would have posted that in the Gun thread, but the design is so absurd compared to other knives that I just had to show you guys. It qualifies as random.

[Guest]

Normally I would have posted that in the Gun thread, but the design is so absurd compared to other knives that I just had to show you guys. It qualifies as random.

It's frickin' awesome is what it is. Looks like something you'd see in Supernatural. In the good days, mind you.

[Ironmonger]

It looks like something that one would hunt bears with.

Or wave in the air while shouting "FOR KHORNE!" Just needs to be magically enchanted.

[Sindri]

Big mofo of a knife.

That's... a fairly impractical weapon, or a completely useless tool. With that weight you could get a meter+ long sword, and it would have better balance. The advantages of a knife, speed, concealability, maneuverability, even a good deal of the sharpness, are completely negated by the absurd thickness and breadth of that blade. It's like an axe, but without the haft so you don't even get any momentum or leverage to it.

In short, an excellent weapon for showing off your terrible taste in weapons.

[Ironmonger]

Big mofo of a knife.

That's... a fairly impractical weapon, or a completely useless tool. With that weight you could get a meter+ long sword, and it would have better balance. The advantages of a knife, speed, concealability, maneuverability, even a good deal of the sharpness, are completely negated by the absurd thickness and breadth of that blade. It's like an axe, but without the haft so you don't even get any momentum or leverage to it.

In short, an excellent weapon for showing off your terrible taste in weapons.

This is exactly what I was thinking, but the other parts of my brain were making it difficult to come up with an actual opinion. I am so damn glad that someone shares my thoughts.

[Guest]

Pshah, you don't get weapons like that to defend yourself. You get them to make yourself feel better about yourself. It's like climbing Mount Everest - you do it to say, "I've climbed the biggest mountain in the world!" Except in this case, it's, "I've made the biggest knife in the world!" Practicality is not even a tertiary consideration. Also, in both cases, certain kinds of people become inclined to sleep with you.

[Harmony Ltd.]

On the other hand, put that sucker at the tip of a spear with the appropriate balancing and then this could be interesting.

[Ironmonger]

I'd be tempted to get a knife like that to help emphasize horrible puns like "Knife to meet you."

And then Frost shoots me with a Nerf gun for my heresy.

[Sindri]

On the other hand, put that sucker at the tip of a spear with the appropriate balancing and then this could be interesting.

Appropriate balancing would be difficult and the finished product would be very heavy and slow. There's a good reason most blades aren't half an inch thick and three inches across, at least once you move past using raw copper as your primary metal.

[Harmony Ltd.]

Well, I mean as a way to salvage it as a usable weapon, not to make it a -good one-.

Would give it more reach, at least.

[Guest]

You could put it in a Rock-It launcher. :)

[Harmony Ltd.]

In short, I agree with you Sindri.

Swords are overrated as close combat weapons anyway, as far I can tell. AFAIK (I'm probably wrong), most infantry in the middle-age / renaissance used spears / pikes / halberds, with blades only being used as last line of defense weapon when their formation was broken.

[Harmony Ltd.]

From what I get, swords were more a way to show your status as a noble than a primary weapon.

Anyone knowing ancient history to tell me if I'm in the wrong here ?

[Guest]

From what I get, swords were more a way to show your status as a noble than a primary weapon.

Anyone knowing ancient history to tell me if I'm in the wrong here ?

Uh... well, I know the gladius was a staple of the Roman army during some of their campaigns. I guess it depended on what armor and stuff people had, styles, forms of warfare... Sindri will probably know more.

[Sindri]

In short, I agree with you Sindri.

Swords are overrated as close combat weapons anyway, as far I can tell. AFAIK (I'm probably wrong), most infantry in the middle-age / renaissance used spears / pikes / halberds, with blades only being used as last line of defense weapon when their formation was broken.

Well, a long spear is mostly useless once someone gets inside your reach; it's too awkward for close combat. That said, it's incredibly simple to learn, cheap to make, and a formation of polearms is very difficult to break. A sword is fairly expensive, requires skill, and in the end is usually more practical for battles between people than battles between armies if that makes sense; it's great for a skirmisher, and a nice sidearm for a knight (with the primary weapon being the lance in the west and the bow in the east as a general rule), but not practical for dense formations of conscripts.

The majority of "soldiers" in a typical medieval war would be the serfs and villeins and assorted other rabble you can conscript, hunting bows, farm implements, and cheap polearms for their weapons, minimal training, and tactics that take advantage of large numbers and pointy sticks. A sword is very practical in the hands of a dedicated warrior, but the average peasant barely knows which end to hold, the cost of equipping them all would be absurd, and they don't fit the kind of massed formation fighting that untrained mobs are best for.
Then toward the Renaissance firearms start to appear and polearms tend to get phased out; a pike square wins against almost anything with weapons less than 20ft long, but bullets tear right through them. But swords are still a great sidearm because of the long reload times and low accuracy of early guns. At least until bayonets appear, and then those stick around to... well, now.

You could put it in a Rock-It launcher. :)

Yes good.

[Ironmonger]

As someone who did and continues to read on ancient military stuff, I have to second what Sindri said.

[Frost]

*Sees he's late for war disussions*

*angry glare to all involved*

[Harmony Ltd.]

Yes, like I was trying to convey swords are not the be all end all of ancient warfare, and in most cases was only used as a sidearm.

It wasn't the primary weapon of choice that heroic fantasy / D&D / shonen manga would tend to imply.

That's what I meant by "overrated".

[Frost]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but a fair amount of late-midieval one-on-one fighting (between knights, at least) was done with maces and such to combat the advances in armor tech, I believe

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