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Ketchup wrote:You are walking home. From Mars.CamoBadger wrote:I agree.Mister Frost wrote:Hey, sign me up.
I see a single Cyberdemon, I'm turning my ass around and going home.
Challenge accepted
I'll take a shortcut through Hell.
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How far from home is he standing?Ketchup wrote:
You are walking home. From Mars.
(asklordcaesar if anyone is wondering)
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I love that tumblr
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Sentry goin' up!CamoBadger wrote:It has a better chance of working than fighting a Cyberdemon. I can't carry enough gun.Ketchup wrote:You are walking home. From Mars.CamoBadger wrote:I agree.Mister Frost wrote:Hey, sign me up.
I see a single Cyberdemon, I'm turning my ass around and going home.
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I would go, but I need to lose enough weight that bringing a chainsaw would be financially feasible... for the demons, naturally.
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Ima bring some ten gauge. Them demons love them some ten gauge, I tell you hwhat!
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@images
I can usually visualize the scenery of a story rather well. The characters I have more trouble with. I think the best way to describe it is that it's like everyone is a behind-the-eyes view—like how you know exactly what your body's doing, but have much less of an idea of how you look while doing it, but applied to every character. Whether I see them as human or equine (or whatever else they are) depends on how they're written. Not so much hoof/hand substitutions—I normally don't notice those—but whether the author takes into account that they wouldn't be acting the same. Even something with rather (all right, slightly) bad limb confusion might feel more like it's using ponies than something with perfect vocabulary, but no consideration for different movement.
@Mars
I'm not really interested. More due to the TV aspect than anything else, though the small point of not coming back would definitely be something to think about. I like my family. Would admittedly be quite amazing, though. And I don't think I'd be as worried about the cyberdemon as I'd be keeping an eye on the water. Well, life support in general, but it's the water that has problems.
I can usually visualize the scenery of a story rather well. The characters I have more trouble with. I think the best way to describe it is that it's like everyone is a behind-the-eyes view—like how you know exactly what your body's doing, but have much less of an idea of how you look while doing it, but applied to every character. Whether I see them as human or equine (or whatever else they are) depends on how they're written. Not so much hoof/hand substitutions—I normally don't notice those—but whether the author takes into account that they wouldn't be acting the same. Even something with rather (all right, slightly) bad limb confusion might feel more like it's using ponies than something with perfect vocabulary, but no consideration for different movement.
@Mars
I'm not really interested. More due to the TV aspect than anything else, though the small point of not coming back would definitely be something to think about. I like my family. Would admittedly be quite amazing, though. And I don't think I'd be as worried about the cyberdemon as I'd be keeping an eye on the water. Well, life support in general, but it's the water that has problems.
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I think the TV show would be horribly boring to most people. Probably just exercise montages and simple conversations.
Until they get to Mars, anyway.
Until they get to Mars, anyway.
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Ketchup wrote:I think the TV show would be horribly boring to most people. Probably just exercise montages and simple conversations.
Until they get to Mars, anyway.
Jersey shore goes to space
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I need some opinions real quick, because I may have written myself into a corner on complete accident. Alicorn OC's. Can they be written well, at all? One of the primary antagonists of Armed Redemption is supposed to be the corrupted ruler of Germaneigh, Lord Wrought Iron. I don't know how the readers will react even if I write him well, because there seems to be some general prejudice against Alicorns. My alternative plan is to make him a really powerful Earth Pony/Earth-Unicorn. And if I can't pull that off I'll just cut it altogether. Normally I'd take this sort of thing to my team (which I have) but it would be helpful to have outside advice.
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Yes, it can be done, and it's better when they're villains, BUT it's still quite hard. In FOE, you have a better reason for them to exist than most, but you also need to use the canon provided, so be careful on that front. Generally, I think the main issue folks have with the alicorns is when they're main protagonists.Ironmonger wrote:I need some opinions real quick, because I may have written myself into a corner on complete accident. Alicorn OC's. Can they be written well, at all? One of the primary antagonists of Armed Redemption is supposed to be the corrupted ruler of Germaneigh, Lord Wrought Iron. I don't know how the readers will react even if I write him well, because there seems to be some general prejudice against Alicorns. My alternative plan is to make him a really powerful Earth Pony/Earth-Unicorn. And if I can't pull that off I'll just cut it altogether. Normally I'd take this sort of thing to my team (which I have) but it would be helpful to have outside advice.
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*sigh of relief* On that latter part I hope that is the case, because my primary worry is fan prejudice since it's a factor that I cannot control no matter what I do. Difficult I can handle. Impossible, not so much.Overlong Analysis Cobalt wrote:
Yes, it can be done, and it's better when they're villains, BUT it's still quite hard. In FOE, you have a better reason for them to exist than most, but you also need to use the canon provided, so be careful on that front. Generally, I think the main issue folks have with the alicorns is when they're main protagonists.
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^This. It's very hard to pull of Alicorns, even in the FoE universe, but if they're villains it's easier if you stick with canon. Being a main Protagonist it's harder, but that has succeeded greatly before as well (Starlight)Overlong Analysis Cobalt wrote:Yes, it can be done, and it's better when they're villains, BUT it's still quite hard. In FOE, you have a better reason for them to exist than most, but you also need to use the canon provided, so be careful on that front. Generally, I think the main issue folks have with the alicorns is when they're main protagonists.Ironmonger wrote:I need some opinions real quick, because I may have written myself into a corner on complete accident. Alicorn OC's. Can they be written well, at all? One of the primary antagonists of Armed Redemption is supposed to be the corrupted ruler of Germaneigh, Lord Wrought Iron. I don't know how the readers will react even if I write him well, because there seems to be some general prejudice against Alicorns. My alternative plan is to make him a really powerful Earth Pony/Earth-Unicorn. And if I can't pull that off I'll just cut it altogether. Normally I'd take this sort of thing to my team (which I have) but it would be helpful to have outside advice.
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With Starlight it seems like it was easier because Radiant Star isn't overpowered, she has her flaws, glaring ones at times. No one can say anything besides "Oh okay."
Wrought Iron would be sorta like Pride in Starlight, except he isn't incredibly evil and corrupted by the stars, merely misguided.
EDIT: Well, maybe some magical corruption.
Wrought Iron would be sorta like Pride in Starlight, except he isn't incredibly evil and corrupted by the stars, merely misguided.
EDIT: Well, maybe some magical corruption.
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Ironmonger wrote:I need some opinions real quick, because I may have written myself into a corner on complete accident. Alicorn OC's. Can they be written well, at all? One of the primary antagonists of Armed Redemption is supposed to be the corrupted ruler of Germaneigh, Lord Wrought Iron. I don't know how the readers will react even if I write him well, because there seems to be some general prejudice against Alicorns. My alternative plan is to make him a really powerful Earth Pony/Earth-Unicorn. And if I can't pull that off I'll just cut it altogether. Normally I'd take this sort of thing to my team (which I have) but it would be helpful to have outside advice.
Broken Bonds contains three alicorns who have been accepted without issue. Hell, even when I brought in the first of the three without any explanation as to who she was "aside from his 'Prise' which DOES have meaning* I didn't get any hate for it - just an audience that wanted to know more.
Since then, I've had one of the three fall head over hooves for Crimson, due to circumstances and storyline. It's a semi-slow process that hasn't just gone OH CRIMSON, I LOVE YOU like the Crimson x Cherry relationship sort've was.
Instead, she's slowly showing feelings for him for good" reasons. (*Subjective - Good in terms of storytelling but in terms of her as a person... debatable.)
You just need to be reasonable with them.
Why are they there? How did they get there? What makes it so they're in charge now, not having been killed on sight?
Give them a good backstory, reason and for the love of Celestia, keep her linked to The Goddess in terms of backstory, if nothing more.
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I kinda like this pict--I AM SOVEREIGN, AND THIS STATION IS MINE!
- Alternatively,:
ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL.
DIRECT INTERVENTION IS NECESSARY.
YOU WILL KNOW PAIN, SPARKLE.
THIS HURTS YOU.
OUR POWER IS UNMATCHED.
AND NOW YOU STAND ALONE, SPARKLE.
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OHGODWHYMeleagridis wrote:Ketchup wrote:I think the TV show would be horribly boring to most people. Probably just exercise montages and simple conversations.
Until they get to Mars, anyway.
Jersey shore goes to space
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And if she gets destroyed emotionally, I will bury Crimson in a place nobody will find himKippershy wrote:
Broken Bonds contains three alicorns who have been accepted without issue. Hell, even when I brought in the first of the three without any explanation as to who she was "aside from his 'Prise' which DOES have meaning* I didn't get any hate for it - just an audience that wanted to know more.
Since then, I've had one of the three fall head over hooves for Crimson, due to circumstances and storyline. It's a semi-slow process that hasn't just gone OH CRIMSON, I LOVE YOU like the Crimson x Cherry relationship sort've was.
Instead, she's slowly showing feelings for him for good" reasons. (*Subjective - Good in terms of storytelling but in terms of her as a person... debatable.)
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swicked wrote:The gender swap is one of my favorite bits about the alicornization process XD
Has that actually been used to any significant effect anywhere, other than in Misfits?
...
And now you've all reminded me that now, after I've released the 2.0 version of the DF mod I've been developing (which was done on 31st Dec), I'm obligated to write. To be more precise, write that... thing I've mentioned earlier. That also has alicorns in it.
In the end, after I've written some of it and people had seen it, I will probably be required to undergo a rite of purification of some kind, to get rid of the shame.
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swicked wrote:2. I know nothing of misfits, are they some kind of nitwits? Just because their nose glows do they not fit in?
1. What are you writing, again?
2. FoE: Misfits. It's notable for its well done alicorn protagonist. [Also notable is New Beginnings.]
1. A bad fanfic.
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Fallout 4 was trending on twitter, got all exited, then it was only this.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/09/fallout-4-teased-by-three-dog-voice-actor
At least it's something I guess.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/09/fallout-4-teased-by-three-dog-voice-actor
At least it's something I guess.
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Iron, you forgot to mention an important point about Wrought Iron
- You may want to avoid reading the following if you don't want to be spoiled:
- Wrought Iron is NOT an Alicorn born of Unity. It is much more ancient than that.
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DC23 Will save: (I trailed off into dark places)
@Harmony: (ramble) I'm not used to actually managing to explain stuff well, but thanks xP
And first time I see a caption that states that heh.
@Rum: (bow) sure you don't want this guy instead?
@Kipper: (fic) Well, can't say too much as I haven't read it. But sounds like it could have played out well.
And it really depends what she did. (technically both, or well, how all 3 reacted to it) It's a very different level of just "harassing" someone, and actually taking the step to actually trying to rape them. Not all that are willing to to sexual harassment are willing to take the extra step. But yeah, it could be.
On a side note though, hope you included male hookers too, somehow just headcanon wise picture that gelded ones would be more popular, especially during heat, for those wanting "the original" penetration and not any of the other available services.
@Cao: (rape)
@EP: (nazi) Can just add that I can't think of anything productive to add.
@Harmony: (Katyn) Relevant
@EP: (Caesar) *Snrk*
(Mars) That is rather neat tbh.
@Swicked: (Gender swap) "-lost his free will, and worst of all, as an additional kick in the groin: now after Bob had become a mare, he had more meat packing than when he was a stallion."
Welp, trailed off a bit again. And oh Gummy, I am laughing so hard atm from a discussion of prehensile, well endowed vulva's. Especially when we got the "What if it threw a grenade? Would that be considered... Carpet bombing?"
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- Good news everyone! I just found out it's apparently really painful for a male to ejaculate if he's being sounded! (or overall ex:rubber band around his cock) ... it's late and I'm on skype rambling about odd stuff again...
... and apparently if you block it off too far down, it could "explode" and rip open the penis, rupturing the tube from the sheer pressure... naw, had I know this, I'd included in the Psychoshy story... or might still be time... *strokes chin* ... I feel just overly evil right now... or whatever to call it... sadistic?
But yeah... if anyone wants a sick fuck for a raider or something, feel free to take the idea of a mare that sounds or otherwise "clogs" off the penis at the base, that then fucks her victims till they orgasm and it results in rupturing their prostate and penis in excruciating pain, to which she either could, I dunno, finish herself off to their screams, or finish up and squirt on them, then leave... you know, to a degree I feel a bit like Somber's avatar atm. I want to write overly sappy romance dravel, but this is the only things I can come up with.... blargh!
@Harmony: (ramble) I'm not used to actually managing to explain stuff well, but thanks xP
And first time I see a caption that states that heh.
@Rum: (bow) sure you don't want this guy instead?
@Kipper: (fic) Well, can't say too much as I haven't read it. But sounds like it could have played out well.
And it really depends what she did. (technically both, or well, how all 3 reacted to it) It's a very different level of just "harassing" someone, and actually taking the step to actually trying to rape them. Not all that are willing to to sexual harassment are willing to take the extra step. But yeah, it could be.
On a side note though, hope you included male hookers too, somehow just headcanon wise picture that gelded ones would be more popular, especially during heat, for those wanting "the original" penetration and not any of the other available services.
@Cao: (rape)
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- 99 more or less has the "mistake" of being a "abomination to equine nature" it was a stable that somehow had gotten so fucked up, that it had mares willing to rape stallions if need be. So instead of being a stable gone horribly wrong (well, apart from it) it also served as being said "abnormality" in the wasteland where such a despicable act even could be considered. As said, as soon it was breached, pretty much a majority of every single male raider started raping the female prisoners, not a single mare was mentioned to do anything like it, since you know, reasons. Then there's only tumble weed for chapter upon chapter, not a single sign of it, whilst at least once per chapter or every other chapter, (to what I recall) male rape (and cock jokes) is being mentioned in some way. And as said, more or less every single filly she comes across has been raped by a male.
->
Not a single colt has mentioned to ever been abused sexually in the crusaders, it's only the fillies. And the biggest "collection" of mare rapists turned out to be instead the biggest collection of rape victims of stallions... We've had one more or less "proper" mention of female rapists, then it's been all hush hush and never seen or mentioned "out in the open" again. Yet while we again, and again, and again, and again, and again AND even a "front row seat" to one, we've been constantly reminded over how male rapists are everywhere and rapes everything without regard, constantly. It doesn't quite "work" that way, or "add up" so to speak. One moderate mention and a few vague ones does not compare to the barrage of the counterpart that's included. (I'm rambling again, spatula of salt as always) It's like stating Christopher Judge played a lead role in the latest Batman movie, and had a equally developed character arc and story as Batman/Gordon had... it was one scene that was 1-2 minutes and he spoke like, two lines... yeah sure, he was THERE, but he didn't do anything really... that's kinda how I see female rapists in PH.
->
Yeah sure, we've been told about them, and heard legends about them existing out there in the wastes, but that's about it. Other than that, it's been fully occupied with telling us how much males are busy raping anything with only orifices and how "noble" the females are for "knowing better", or how said females suffer due to said males. Erf... I still have 10+ comments to mill through later on another site... I really have to consider taking a break from speaking my mind... but all and all, yes, rape doesn't have to be shoved into our faces, but with how harsh and blunt it has been with male rapists, it seems really pathetic that this is all it has to come with in regards of female ones. We've had tons of aftermath and direct confrontation with it as said, all of the same type. And as sleepily rambled at the top: It's not hard to make a easy to hate female rapists, or just mention one "passing by". Yeah okay, some might see "body wise larger penis put into smaller body vulva" as "more horrible". But the most trauma is mental, if you just flip the roles, having a grown mare roughly ride a colt until he's crying from pain and overall trauma is not hard. And given enough time, or force, it WOULD be one of those "I noticed caked blood between her hindlegs" since as said, even if he'd not be able to last long, she would, and she'd gladly go for a few hours if she felt like it. And after that, it'd hurt for that colt to simply just stand. And then there's sodomy ofc, but then we need to get into blargh detail of using whatnot and only for the sake of being sadistic. But even oral should be enough to traumatize. And Gummy damn it, trailing off again.
@EP: (nazi) Can just add that I can't think of anything productive to add.
@Harmony: (Katyn) Relevant
@EP: (Caesar) *Snrk*
(Mars) That is rather neat tbh.
@Swicked: (Gender swap) "-lost his free will, and worst of all, as an additional kick in the groin: now after Bob had become a mare, he had more meat packing than when he was a stallion."
Welp, trailed off a bit again. And oh Gummy, I am laughing so hard atm from a discussion of prehensile, well endowed vulva's. Especially when we got the "What if it threw a grenade? Would that be considered... Carpet bombing?"
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It may be more of a testament to my own communication problems.Kattlarv wrote:@Harmony: (ramble) I'm not used to actually managing to explain stuff well, but thanks xP
And first time I see a caption that states that heh.
And I too love that Caesar tumblr.
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Why, why did I keep reading this spoiler after the first sentence?!Kattlarv wrote:DC23 Will save: (I trailed off into dark places)
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Good news everyone! I just found out it's apparently really painful for a male to ejaculate if he's being sounded! (or overall ex:rubber band around his cock) ... it's late and I'm on skype rambling about odd stuff again...
... and apparently if you block it off too far down, it could "explode" and rip open the penis, rupturing the tube from the sheer pressure... naw, had I know this, I'd included in the Psychoshy story... or might still be time... *strokes chin* ... I feel just overly evil right now... or whatever to call it... sadistic?
But yeah... if anyone wants a sick fuck for a raider or something, feel free to take the idea of a mare that sounds or otherwise "clogs" off the penis at the base, that then fucks her victims till they orgasm and it results in rupturing their prostate and penis in excruciating pain, to which she either could, I dunno, finish herself off to their screams, or finish up and squirt on them, then leave... you know, to a degree I feel a bit like Somber's avatar atm. I want to write overly sappy romance dravel, but this is the only things I can come up with.... blargh!
Still interesting idea, but now I'm going to have to throw away all of my rubber bands just to be safe.
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Sorry Kim, gonna have to let you down. No, there was no male prostitutes mentioned though that doesn't mean they weren't in the brothel, for arguments sake. However, it's a case of "if you want to believe it, you can."
I never said there couldn't have been males, as this was walking around outside and passing a brothel.
To explain what happened, Crimson & Cherry was walking along. Prostitute calls Crimson over for some fun, Cherry declines the offer. Prostitute talks to Crimson directly, he declines too, even if he has a small temptation on a primal level (read as: ever so slightly turned on, but not enough to change his mind or make him hard.)
The prostitute then uses her magic to begin brushing his genitals, trying to coax it out. When Crimson realises what the hell is happening, he goes to flinch / step back but finds her magic then holding him down as she continues, trying to force him to give in with the goal of either saying he owes caps for the service or get him horny enough to go for the full deal.
At this point, Crimson can't do a thing and when Cherry threatens the prostitute, she in return threatens to damage Crimsons' "goods" if she steps forward.
So, sexual assault at the very least.
I never said there couldn't have been males, as this was walking around outside and passing a brothel.
To explain what happened, Crimson & Cherry was walking along. Prostitute calls Crimson over for some fun, Cherry declines the offer. Prostitute talks to Crimson directly, he declines too, even if he has a small temptation on a primal level (read as: ever so slightly turned on, but not enough to change his mind or make him hard.)
The prostitute then uses her magic to begin brushing his genitals, trying to coax it out. When Crimson realises what the hell is happening, he goes to flinch / step back but finds her magic then holding him down as she continues, trying to force him to give in with the goal of either saying he owes caps for the service or get him horny enough to go for the full deal.
At this point, Crimson can't do a thing and when Cherry threatens the prostitute, she in return threatens to damage Crimsons' "goods" if she steps forward.
So, sexual assault at the very least.
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Don't think it can blow the entire thing, but a chance of rupturing the tubes may exist.swicked wrote:@Kim
I'd like to see your references for that, because I'm pretty sure its false. Guys do not climax like fire hoses, so I can't honestly believe the pressure could blow up a penis.
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Re: [Official!] Project Horizons Comment Crew Chat thread.
Ironmonger wrote:I need some opinions real quick, because I may have written myself into a corner on complete accident. Alicorn OC's. Can they be written well, at all? One of the primary antagonists of Armed Redemption is supposed to be the corrupted ruler of Germaneigh, Lord Wrought Iron. I don't know how the readers will react even if I write him well, because there seems to be some general prejudice against Alicorns. My alternative plan is to make him a really powerful Earth Pony/Earth-Unicorn. And if I can't pull that off I'll just cut it altogether. Normally I'd take this sort of thing to my team (which I have) but it would be helpful to have outside advice.
If you aren't sure about the full thing, what about a naturally giant pegasus with a fake horn taped to his head?
Funny things on serious villains.
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CamoBadger wrote:Why, why did I keep reading this spoiler after the first sentence?!Kattlarv wrote:DC23 Will save: (I trailed off into dark places)
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Good news everyone! I just found out it's apparently really painful for a male to ejaculate if he's being sounded! (or overall ex:rubber band around his cock) ... it's late and I'm on skype rambling about odd stuff again...
... and apparently if you block it off too far down, it could "explode" and rip open the penis, rupturing the tube from the sheer pressure... naw, had I know this, I'd included in the Psychoshy story... or might still be time... *strokes chin* ... I feel just overly evil right now... or whatever to call it... sadistic?
But yeah... if anyone wants a sick fuck for a raider or something, feel free to take the idea of a mare that sounds or otherwise "clogs" off the penis at the base, that then fucks her victims till they orgasm and it results in rupturing their prostate and penis in excruciating pain, to which she either could, I dunno, finish herself off to their screams, or finish up and squirt on them, then leave... you know, to a degree I feel a bit like Somber's avatar atm. I want to write overly sappy romance dravel, but this is the only things I can come up with.... blargh!
Still interesting idea, but now I'm going to have to throw away all of my rubber bands just to be safe.
ui thought it back washed into the bladder...
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