Re: [Official!] Project Horizons Comment Crew Chat thread.

[Ironmonger]

posting this here before Swicked does: FoE:PH:MO Mad Mares

FoE:PH:MO Mad Mares:

Forgot about this earlier, but when I read that last bit with Caprice, I instantly thought of a post I saw on a facebook page.

Enjoy:

*snorting back laughter*

[Harmony Ltd.]

Making fuel from waste : the French environmental agency estimate that the fuels generated from household wastes (mostly methane and other gases), in the best case scenario, could only amount to 8% of the primary energy needs for the transportation sector on a national level (so I think they were refering to road transportation only).

Commercial flight infrastrure : the European Commission-funded study I linked to earlier agree with you that in the short-term, the best solution is to inject a percentage of biofuels into traditionnal jet fuel, to be able to use the current infrastructure (planes et caetera). However, it also recommend further efforts to study the possibility to change our infrastructure at 20-30 years horizon to further reduce our dependency on fossil fuels in aeronautics, with the long term goal of getting rid of it entirely.
So I think there's hope things will change on this matter at the scale of this generation.

Megaspell shaped charge : well, not knowing the intricate functionning of a balefire bomb I can hardly make up hypotheses as how a shaped charge would look like, let alone how easy it would be to mass-produce. IMHO the Holocaust happened too soon for much work to be done on the subject, let alone deploying it on a doctrinal basis to the armies.

[Valikdu]

The latest episode, in the Mirror Universe...:

[222222]

@Fuelfromwaste: household waste would probably be the low end of the scale. I generally hear of agricultural industry waste being used for biofuels, like the stalks and husks of corn for example. When waste for fuel is being discussed that is.

[Harmony Ltd.]

The problem with agricultural wastes is that if you use them as fuel instead of using them as fertilizer, you need to add more and more artificial fertilizer to your soils, which degrade them, slowly killing the land. So using agricultural wastes wouldn't be sustainable in the long term - even if it could be used as a way to preserve energetic independence, and even that is debatable as intensive agriculture demand lots of oil-derived products, for fertilizer and to run the heavy machinery needed.

That's my problem with biofuels : in theory, they're great, but in practice they only shift one natural disaster for another.

Intensive agriculture is the principal reason of biodiversity loss in the world, we don't need more of it.

[222222]

@Agriculture: taking out the agricultural waste doesn't necessitate adding fertilizers, or destroying the land by sucking out nutrients. I'm not sure why you think that is the case, could you explain it a bit please?

[Harmony Ltd.]

I'll just ask a simple question : when plant grows, where do think they get their nutrients from ?


The answer is : from the soil, the atmosphere providing only nitrogen, oxygen and carbon dioxide.


When you harvest a plant, you also harvest the nutrients it extracted from the soil.

These nutrients don't magically appear from nowhere. In normal conditions (read : not cultivated land), the plant which grow from the soil, by decomposition (animal eating them and shitting on the ground ; bacterial decomposition ; etc) see the nutrients they extracted from the soil return to the soil.

In cultivated lands, as you extract the nutrients from the soil by harvesting the plants, if you want the soil to stay fertile you have to add an equivalent quantity of nutrients. This may be done using natural or artificial fertilizer.

The problem of intensive agriculture is that the artificial fertilizer, combined with the pesticides and the mono-culture aspect (very few species of plants over large areas) slowly kill the microbial life which was able to naturally enrich the soil, forcing to use even more fertilizer, even more pesticides ; and as the soil degrade after a certain point with heavy usage of fertilizer, the top layers of the soil erode themselves, resulting in ultimately dead and infertile soils.

After more than 60 years of industrial agriculture the effects have become notable in a lot of places.

[RoboRed]

This is my type of humor.

I lol'd a little. Especially at the end.

it's not even really funny, it's just shear randomness with absolutely no context

"Sheer", not "shear". (/heilgrammar)

What vehicles would the Project Horizons cast be?..

Conquest Knight XV came to mind for Blackjack.

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Koeniggsegggggggg....*drool*

[Kippershy]

On an unrelated note, have any of you that own Kerbal Space Program played 0.18 yet?

Because it is amazing. Aside from the numerous glitches that is.

Not yet, didn't realise it had updated. Thanks for the heads up!

[Ketchup]

Two forum discussions somewhat related to what I did at school today. Wow.
We watched a CNN thing about video game addiction in social studies. It was fairly interesting.
I've been playing Diablo 2 and Starcraft since I was about 4 or 5.

Another is that we are doing some ecology in my science class, including nitrogen cycles and bioaccumulation of pesticides like DDT.

[Cptadder]

The problem of intensive agriculture is that the artificial fertilizer, combined with the pesticides and the mono-culture aspect (very few species of plants over large areas) slowly kill the microbial life which was able to naturally enrich the soil, forcing to use even more fertilizer, even more pesticides ; and as the soil degrade after a certain point with heavy usage of fertilizer, the top layers of the soil erode themselves, resulting in ultimately dead and infertile soils.

After more than 60 years of industrial agriculture the effects have become notable in a lot of places.

Lucky for us there's nothing but economies of scale to refill the microbial life with fresh dirt injects or new treatments. People who've never spent time in agriculture have no idea how productive things like artificial fertilizers like farmers be. Compared to a medieval farmer we have something like eighteen times the yield per square acre. Also automation and advanced have pushed hydroponics into the area where large scale farming can be done in places without decent soil with a self contained and self regulating ecosystem. We've had the tech for over a decade now. The issue is again the economies of scale mean even if you can produce year total big tasty tomatoes or beans it won't matter since it's cheaper to grow them half way around the world and ship them back to the state than large scale hydroponics setups.

[Valikdu]

Regarding games:
'95, DOOM II: Hell on Earth, an Intel 486, me being five years old. It was fun.

[222222]

@Harmony: the issue then is the monocultures destroying natural reproductive cycles, not the removal of wastes from the system. Switching crops or even giving the field some time just to lie fallow should allow the soil to be replenished from sunlight and the air and such. Plus all that stuff CptAdder said, very good stuff that.

@Videogames: the first game I played was an Asterix & Obelix side scroller on an old computer when I was maybe five. I was too young to know what kind of computer it was, but it was pretty old from my five year old recollections. It was fun, but my first real video game was a yearish later, Praetorians, a RTS game set in the age of Rome.

[IncoherentOrange]

@Erumpet It's been really difficult getting another pair of keen eyes on my story. I'd appreciate it greatly if you could help me out by looking at the other three chapters. That is, if you've got the time and it doesn't bother you.

[222222]

@Orange: yeah I can knock it out tonight and tomorrow, sorry finals, wrestling, and work just reared up and kicked me in the face these last few days. Tomorrow is a half day though, so it'll be done then by the latest.

[O. Hinds]

Congratulations on making the feature box, CamoBadger!

[IncoherentOrange]

I don't think he did... he was talking about an SS&E story.

Did he? Certainly should. Deserves it more than I do with my measly story.

[Ironmonger]

This is my type of humor.

I lol'd a little. Especially at the end.

THAT'S MY PONY!

[Ironmonger]

THAT'S MY PONY!

I have to admit, I find it amusing you crack jokes constantly while not finding any of them funny since, after all, they're just words :P

Well, to be honest it's just some literature I can't get myself to laugh at despite finding them amusing. Usually it's when I get hung up on something in a scene. I'll be sitting here thinking "I know there is a joke here, but where?" then I'll finally find it, but sometimes the effort it took to understand what I was looking at kills the humor.

[Ironmonger]

That's what I call "The train has yet to reach the station", but sometimes my train is a bit slower.

[iLateralGX]

On an unrelated note, have any of you that own Kerbal Space Program played 0.18 yet?

Because it is amazing. Aside from the numerous glitches that is.

Not yet, didn't realise it had updated. Thanks for the heads up!

Been building a space station/interplanetary docking station.

Spoiler:

Obviously nowhere near done. Nine pieces put together so far. Even though it does not look like much, and it really isn't much, it is already causing frame-rate in game. All in all I want four more thrusters and docks for landers that will be attached to the side of the vessel for exploring moons of planets which can also second as escape pods if need be.

[O. Hinds]

I don't think he did... he was talking about an SS&E story.

Did he? Certainly should. Deserves it more than I do with my measly story.

Hm... Okay, it looks like the original syntax of CamoBadger's post, "I just finished up", is ambiguous.

[CamoBadger]

I don't think he did... he was talking about an SS&E story.

Did he? Certainly should. Deserves it more than I do with my measly story.

Hm... Okay, it looks like the original syntax of CamoBadger's post, "I just finished up", is ambiguous.

Huh, wait wut...
OH, yeah. No, I was saying I just finished up reading it. There is no way I could ever write something that good.

[O. Hinds]

I don't think he did... he was talking about an SS&E story.

Did he? Certainly should. Deserves it more than I do with my measly story.

Hm... Okay, it looks like the original syntax of CamoBadger's post, "I just finished up", is ambiguous.

Huh, wait wut...
OH, yeah. No, I was saying I just finished up reading it. There is no way I could ever write something that good.

Ah, I see.
I'd like to point out, though, that, having read both that and All That Remains, I had no difficulty believing that you'd just published it under a different account. :)

[Ironmonger]

I had a HIE fic going during the time I couldn't post Armed Redemption, but I stopped on that. I can't organize the thoughts of two stories I'm writing at once. :/

Also

[RoboRed]

[Ironmonger]

Robo you son of a whorse! I'm covering my mouth to keep my laughter from bothering my parents!

[iLateralGX]

That was certainly unexpected. Looking at the top comments on the video made me laugh as much as the video itself.

I now have the sudden urge to watch NiN10Doh.

[Ironmonger]

Needs more cowbell!

[Kippershy]

Copied from my FB for ease.

"
Either there's a mouse, a rat or a gigantic spider loose in my place hiding somewhere... or I have lost my mind completely.

I seriously could've sworn I saw/heard a god damn mouse / rat speeding
across my little connecting room, not just the once but again when I
tried to flush it out.
Poking around with a stick and moving everything... not even a sound.
Poked all the walls through the wardrobe cloth and everything, nothing to be found. WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE.

Only way it would've been able to get in is via the open balcony door,
but I hadn't seen it come in so I doubt that. Besides, it would've had
to been quite the climber, too.
I dunno. Just coulda sworn there was something there...

-Keeps on full alert for any unplanned rodent visitors-"

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