Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

[Aonee]

Why are people hating on FoE's ending so much? I thought it was perfect. It's not like 1984 at all.

[Aonee]

Hush now, quiet now...

I still tear up every time I hear that song...

They sang that song in the released intro to the FoE radio play. And they had a dying foal sing it.

[Rickyking]

Why are people hating on FoE's ending so much? I thought it was perfect. It's not like 1984 at all.

Really? People hate the ending?

[Ketchup]

I am a heartless monster. I can listen to that song without a tear. I didn't find much wrong with the end of that chapter, probably because I believe in euthanasia.

[Aonee]

I am a heartless monster. I can listen to that song without a tear. I didn't find much wrong with the end of that chapter, probably because I believe in euthanasia.

I almost cry, I at least tear up, but something in my psychology or something converts grief into either rage or laughter. Don't ask why, I do not know. And it has to be pretty big to even get me sad in the first place.

[Kippershy]

That's... circumference, yes? Not diameter? Because I don't think there's enough spare blood in the body to fill that without passing out...

Yeah, circumference.

[Kippershy]

also, I'll be ringing my ISP when I get home today to try sort out my internet or call them cunts.
either way, posting may not be possible.

[Katarn]

@How I discover FoE and PH
Well, I was lurking on one wiki-like site, with memes and other stuff and stumbled on MLP page there, after readin it, I've found ther link to FO:E. After 2 days straight marathon of reading I was almost done with FO:E, but lost a link, so I typed in google "Fallout Equestria" and google suggested "Fallout Equestria Project Horizons". That's how I ended up in here. I've start reading PH in early january, I think. It were around chapter 30.

Every time I hear "hush, now, quite now" I feel very calm and secure...but then I remember what this song represents in PH and I don't feel secure anymore

I actually start watching show much later, than reading FoE and PH :D

[WavemasterRyx]

They sang that song in the released intro to the FoE radio play. And they had a dying foal sing it.

I doubt it is, but if they were doing that in tribute to PH it would make me really happy... well at any rate, I'm glad I waited to listen to the radio play then, back when it was posted would have been a really bad time to hear the song like that.

Why are people hating on FoE's ending so much? I thought it was perfect. It's not like 1984 at all.

It wasn't... a bad ending... I just really would have preferred if it had offered a bit more closure.
More than anything though I just miss Strawberry Lemonade... she didn't have to die...

[NoodleNugget]

Why are people hating on FoE's ending so much? I thought it was perfect. It's not like 1984 at all.

Ok, it isn't as bad as 1984, but its the first thing that comes to mind. The problem is that there isn't an ending. There was a build up, there was a climax and then there was an epilogue. and even then the epilogue belongs to another story, NOT Fo:E.

I'll explain it a little. First off we have Littlepip knowing what she has to do(after losing a fucking leg and regrowing it(there could have been a hell of a lot more content focusing about how fucked up she has gotten within what? a month? kinda like what PH is doing...)). she has to go into enclave territory, get everyone to wreck enough shit to distract the enclave and then sneak into SPP, and we have that happen. sure things are a little rough and tumble on the way there but Littlepip does eventually get there(although maybe a little crispier) and to be honest, that build up was epically amazing and intense. So littlepip Gets there and finds out the Celestia had gotten there first, but was essentially trapped. shit is still going on outside and littlepip wants to take a look. she looks and says she wants to give them a message so she does a memory orb(BTW I fucking called it back in like chapter 25-ish, there was enough use of the memory orb that it became almost obvious that the whole entire story was told from one). So Littlepip hooks herself up to the SPP while everyone fights outside and-
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Oh wait it's like ten years later. and the world is sunshine and rainbows and everyone is happy and all the alicorns are bucking each other into next week trying to pop out kids, and all the ghouls are miserable because the world is a lot less like a microwave and fluttershy is telling a story and Calamity and Velvet curtains- I mean Remedy are doing whatever with their SHINY GOLD PIPBUCK ELEMENTS OF HARMONY and then end.

I'm sorry but an ending like that is dumb. It may not be as backwards as 1984, but it has about the same level if not more of abruptness.

[Ametros]

So Littlepip hooks herself up to the SPP while everyone fights outside and-

And Littlepip then proceeded to narrate the entirety of what she had just experienced, leading up to her jumping into the SPP. It's then that we find out that the narration wasn't during the events, but rather a recollection of them. We are being told this as if we were denizens of the Wasteland, ponies who didn't know much - if at all - about the momentous occurrences that paved the way for The Gardens Of Equestria.

This is where the story ended. What comes after is just a little something so there is SOME form of closure. This time-lapse event corresponds well to the end of Harry Potter. As an epilogue - an afterword.

The circular story, linking the beginning and the end, is what Kkat had planned from the very beginning. The story ended when Littlepip began telling it to all - it can't have proceeded further - so a time-lapse was necessary to put any more words in, to add an epilogue. To give the readers some degree of closure.

In my opinion, Kkat pulled this off MASTERFULLY. When I finally figured out what she was playing at (about mid-way through the final chapter, I believe) I simply couldn't resume reading for a number of minutes while I was basically frothing at the mouth puking rainbows as comprehension dawned on me.

[Jeremyrush]

Welcome to the place of madness, Nugget!
And feel free to wall of text, but from now on, I think we are going to use the spoiler tags for them.

So when I post my chapterly drivel, I should put it all in spoiler tags? Probably for the best.

Do these posts have character limits? If they do, then I might end up double posting whenever I post my commentaries. Hopefully that won't be a super big deal.

[RoboRed]

You know what we need? A propaganda style poster with
a picture of our groups mascot, Boo, with it saying "Join the
Crew".

I've never been particularly good at propaganda posters, but I might give it a try when I can.

However it ends up, I'm sure it will be full of d'aww and cake.

Great.... Someone got a spare AI, or at least an AI storage unit? I could probably throw something together to teach you or something, or just make a home for Glitch if he ever shows up.
*Puts on Power Hooves* Okay, guess I gotta get it outta the tree now.

Here you go*hands you an AI storage unit* But I still suggest that you leave the tank in tree, there will always be another. Maybe.

I did mention that I'd be willing to repair it...>_>

Well, I feel like this is as good a time as any to start up a random topic;

What was everyone's first experience with PH?

Mine is that I saw it on EQD and thought "I like Ponies! I like Fallout!" Yes, it's true, I read through PH before the original FoE. Anyways, that was at the time that 34 (I think it was 34) had come out, and I finished the chapter to game over

Needless to say, I thought the story had ended like that and -flipped-. Thanks to reading the PHCC though, I learned I was mistaken.

What about you guys?

I found out a little about it by accident when looking for FoE art while I was in the middle of reading The End if Ponies. Sounded like kind of a big deal, so I figured that I'd give it a look after I was finished. I'm glad I did. (And I caught up right as Chapter 32 came out. Hoo boy...)

Well, I'm afraid that we're probably not going to be finished tonight either (Oh the delays... Though at least the explosive house fire missed by a few buildings. Not joking.).

Explosive house fire? Yikes! What the hell happened?!?

Hush now, quiet now...

I still tear up every time I hear that song...

I can't think of that song the same way again...
Or "PLAY"...

They sang that song in the released intro to the FoE radio play. And they had a dying foal sing it.

They really, REALLY did a good job with that radio thing.

I am a heartless monster. I can listen to that song without a tear. I didn't find much wrong with the end of that chapter, probably because I believe in euthanasia.

I didn't cry, but I did feel a bit drained. It takes a lot for a story to get me to cry.

This is where the story ended. What comes after is just a little something so there is SOME form of closure. This time-lapse event corresponds well to the end of Harry Potter. As an epilogue - an afterword.

The circular story, linking the beginning and the end, is what Kkat had planned from the very beginning. The story ended when Littlepip began telling it to all - it can't have proceeded further - so a time-lapse was necessary to put any more words in, to add an epilogue. To give the readers some degree of closure.

In my opinion, Kkat pulled this off MASTERFULLY. When I finally figured out what she was playing at (about mid-way through the final chapter, I believe) I simply couldn't resume reading for a number of minutes while I was basically frothing at the mouth puking rainbows as comprehension dawned on me.

This. Although it still felt a bit open-ended, and I was yearning for much more. But like you said, "Harry Potter epilogue".

[RoboRed]

Welcome to the place of madness, Nugget!
And feel free to wall of text, but from now on, I think we are going to use the spoiler tags for them.

So when I post my chapterly drivel, I should put it all in spoiler tags? Probably for the best.

Do these posts have character limits? If they do, then I might end up double posting whenever I post my commentaries. Hopefully that won't be a super big deal.

1)If you want.
2)I doubt it. This is a message forum - I doubt there's a character limit.

[Guest]

Well, I'm afraid that we're probably not going to be finished tonight either (Oh the delays... Though at least the explosive house fire missed by a few buildings. Not joking.).

Thank Luna that Somber is okay that is quite the close call.
I'm quite curious as to what caused the explosion.

@Katarn
I wish I could use the ultimate PH thread pic IRL, there are so many times I could use that especially when my mom and little sister watch Jerry Springer.

Edit: Welcome to the Hoof Nugget we hope that you enjoy your stay in our pit of madness !

[Guest]

Welcome to the place of madness, Nugget!
And feel free to wall of text, but from now on, I think we are going to use the spoiler tags for them.

So when I post my chapterly drivel, I should put it all in spoiler tags? Probably for the best.

Do these posts have character limits? If they do, then I might end up double posting whenever I post my commentaries. Hopefully that won't be a super big deal.

1)If you want.
2)I doubt it. This is a message forum - I doubt there's a character limit.

Hmm... If I recall correctly from my days of RPing with friends, sometimes forums have character limits, but they're generally very, very, very high.

[RoboRed]

I have honestly never hit a character limit in a forum in all my years of forum-ing, and I've typed up some seriously long stuff before.

Maybe there is a limit and it's extremely high...

[NoodleNugget]

So Littlepip hooks herself up to the SPP while everyone fights outside and-

And Littlepip then proceeded to narrate the entirety of what she had just experienced, leading up to her jumping into the SPP. It's then that we find out that the narration wasn't during the events, but rather a recollection of them. We are being told this as if we were denizens of the Wasteland, ponies who didn't know much - if at all - about the momentous occurrences that paved the way for The Gardens Of Equestria.

This is where the story ended. What comes after is just a little something so there is SOME form of closure. This time-lapse event corresponds well to the end of Harry Potter. As an epilogue - an afterword.

The circular story, linking the beginning and the end, is what Kkat had planned from the very beginning. The story ended when Littlepip began telling it to all - it can't have proceeded further - so a time-lapse was necessary to put any more words in, to add an epilogue. To give the readers some degree of closure.

In my opinion, Kkat pulled this off MASTERFULLY. When I finally figured out what she was playing at (about mid-way through the final chapter, I believe) I simply couldn't resume reading for a number of minutes while I was basically frothing at the mouth puking rainbows as comprehension dawned on me.

I'm not saying it's horrible story, and if you re-read what I say you will see that I do bring up the subject of it all being in a memory orb. I know that it was a circular story. And yes just like Harry Potter there was an epilogue. but the difference was that the epilogue does not fit, either implying that there is a true ending taking place after the events of the memory orb, or that there should be another story in-between the 'ending' and the epilogue. we are introduced to things in the story and then afterwards we are given information that Calamity and Velvet have obtained their elements, we have information that the alicorns are given reproductive abilities, we have information that the world has returned to normal, and etc. but we can't use that information. the elements implies there was another adventure, and along the way everyone made new friends, at most 3 at min 2(and even that is pushing it seeing how Derpy was more Littlepip's friend and then acquaintances of everyone else and Homage might make things just a little bit awkward "Oh hey, Homage, how are you doing?" "I'm fine, just thinking about how my girlfriend is a potato"). how would the alicorns be given reproductive abilities? it would take a lot of genetic re-writing to cause enough of a change to allow the ability, even for just one and then how would they do that? I doubt anyone in the past thought of that(except perhaps Goldenblood). how did they make a male alicorn? there are just a little too many loose ends. Perhaps if it was left at just the 'ending' and the epilogue wasn't added I would be saying something different. its like cooking something. can't have it underspiced but if you do you can sometimes get away with it if the quality of the over all meal is good, but if you spice it too much you ruin it unless you can give something to wash it down with.

It is still a fantastic story, easily 100/10, its just that there was so much left undone it gets dragged down(if only a little bit). I'm not mad, I'm not going to sign a petition to get it fixed, I could care less, I'm just a little disappointed is all and willing to voice my opinion, so lets leave it at that.

[O. Hinds]

Explosive house fire? Yikes! What the hell happened?!?

We don't know. One minute, nothing, the next, fire's blowing the siding off.


Update on 44:
We might have it up tomorrow, depending on stuff. Don't get your hopes too far up, though; there's still more of the story to write, we left off today at the start of a really problematic scene (I can't give you any more details than that, of course, but hopefully, when the chapter gets to you, you won't be able to tell that there was ever anything wrong anyway), and there's a very good chance that we'll have less than four hours of work time tomorrow. The good news, though, is that, barring the unexpected, we ought to all be able to brush Monday, so you can probably expect it late Monday night at the latest. (Times are in EDT.)

[RandomBlank]

Do these posts have character limits? If they do, then I might end up double posting whenever I post my commentaries. Hopefully that won't be a super big deal.

2)I doubt it. This is a message forum - I doubt there's a character limit.

IIRC, yes, but it is quite big. Like 64K, that would be above 10,000 words

[Ametros]

-snip-

I was under the impression that Littlepip didn't use a memory orb, and instead used the downloader headset to make a copy of her tale from her memories. I might be wrong about this, but I think she then effectively broadcast that tale across the Wasteland. It seems that use of a recollector would be used in distributing the story until such a time as it gets published.

As for the afterword - while I'm ambivalent towards it, it's Kkat's right to establish through undeniable canon what she wants done by that point. I believe she left the loose ends for other's to take a gander at fleshing them out into side-fics - or even left them as loose ends she could herself flesh out at a later point.

You mention that the afterword isn't well-connected to 'the ending' as you put it? That's as should be. It's unfair to compare it directly to the end, though. As it proves, A LOT can occur in ten years.

Stories never really end, they just continue, and pass hands (hooves) over time. Littlepip's part of the story has ended, and so the unwritten parts of the others continuing goes on.

Now, I'm going to just stop debating this point, because I believe Kkat did as she wanted to, and it should be left at that.

[RandomBlank]

Gotta agree, ending of FoE felt rushed.
Kkat choose the wrong moment to get the recording started. Too early cut-off.
Calamity's radio epilogue didn't cut it. Leading up to that point should have been done from the main story's point of view. The orb closure was brillant but too early...

[Sindri]

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You appear to be confusing the epilogue and the afterword.
The epilogue was immediately after the battle, recounting the details of what happened after Pip got in the pod, and giving closure to the primary plotline. That was the end of the central story.
But this is Fallout, and that means the central story is less than half of what's going on. The epilogue looked into the future, revealing the long-term effects her journey had on the wasteland, the people she touched, the things she set in motion but never got to see through to the end. It didn't start anything new, everything mentioned in the epilogue began in the story or was a natural consequence of it, but it allowed insight and closure for several of the hundreds of tiny plotlines that Littlepip passed through.

The last few chapters certainly aren't my favorite of the saga, but the afterword in particular I loved.

[XT Vengeance]

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You appear to be confusing the epilogue and the afterword.
The epilogue was immediately after the battle, recounting the details of what happened after Pip got in the pod, and giving closure to the primary plotline. That was the end of the central story.
But this is Fallout, and that means the central story is less than half of what's going on. The epilogue looked into the future, revealing the long-term effects her journey had on the wasteland, the people she touched, the things she set in motion but never got to see through to the end. It didn't start anything new, everything mentioned in the epilogue began in the story or was a natural consequence of it, but it allowed insight and closure for several of the hundreds of tiny plotlines that Littlepip passed through.

The last few chapters certainly aren't my favorite of the saga, but the afterword in particular I loved.

It was all quite good, but yes, the ending was definitely not my favorite part. PH has been even more awesome than the original though so far. IMHO

[SilentCarto]

I know that it was a circular story. And yes just like Harry Potter there was an epilogue. but the difference was that the epilogue does not fit, either implying that there is a true ending taking place after the events of the memory orb, or that there should be another story in-between the 'ending' and the epilogue.

Well, it IS the end of Littlepip's story. She's an observer from here on out. There's certainly another adventure in which Calamity and Velvet found the other bearers and set off Gardens of Equestria, "But that... is another story."

[Scyto Harmony]

Hmmm...

What colour is Blackjack's magic? I was under the impression it was red, but in the first chapter it mentions that her horn glows white.

Has it been white this whole time?

[Orm]

Hmmm...

What colour is Blackjack's magic? I was under the impression it was red, but in the first chapter it mentions that her horn glows white.

Has it been white this whole time?

I think it got changed at some point.
I think it's white now.

[Scyto Harmony]

You know, While reading the story again from the beginning, It occurs to me that Blackjack has changed A LOT since she was in the stable. I never really noticed until I went back and read what she used to be like.

Changed for the better, that is.

[Meleagridis]

I'm not saying it's horrible story, and if you re-read what I say you will see that I do bring up the subject of it all being in a memory orb. I know that it was a circular story. And yes just like Harry Potter there was an epilogue. but the difference was that the epilogue does not fit, either implying that there is a true ending taking place after the events of the memory orb, or that there should be another story in-between the 'ending' and the epilogue.

You'll notice that happening a lot during the end. Loose ends not getting tied up. As near as I can figure, KKat was beginning to realise the extent of her fandom right around the end of FOE. There is another story between FOE's ending and epilogue, we just haven't written it yet (or maybe we have; take a look around!). She left the ten years in there for us. She left the hellhound turned into a pony for us. She left the Everfree fungus monsters for us, Rainbow's fate for us, the element of generosity for us. FOE isn't one story anymore. It's something more.

Update on 44:

Take your time, whatever makes the best shine.

@Hush now, quiet now
When the sadness and regret fade away, all that is left are memories of PLAY
And I get a little nervous

@How you got here
Boring story! Eventually read some FOE, thought it was neat, EQD brought up PH, tried it, and (in the good way). I only started FOE again once I had caught up on the updates.

[Moodyman90]

I really need to re-read both FoE and PH, I know there are plot elements and characters I'm forgetting.

As for FoE ending, granted I didn't follow it for months on end, finding it this past March when it was well past finished, but I had not real problems with it. Oh yes it could have been better, but it very much went along with the orignal Fallout 3 ending. The one before Broken Steel when you entered the Purifier to start it up. The game pretty much went "Congrats! You've saved/doomed the D.C. wasteland! Enjoy the end credits and not being able to play post credits cause you died due to excessive radiation!"
You can see why they made the DLC to "fix" that.

I had no real problem with the whole story being told in memory orbs. That does bring up the question of how long does it take to make them as oposse to the minutes to hours it takes to watch them. Seeing how the story takes place over two months days of memories have to be recorded in minutes so the only real problem is if her recording her memories for others took over an hour in total.
I do have my issues with the ending but it's mostly that it did end. Years of forced reading at school have let me use to endings such as what FoE got and I don't mind. I know I certainly couldn't have written a better one at any rate.

Now for... that song.... I was watching the Hunger Games went Rue asked "Do you know any lullaby?" I nearly broke down right there and sung "Hush now, quiet now" quietly to myself.

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