Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

[RoboRed]

Those're some nice musical options, there.

(not sure if got joke with mine or is just being silly)


On a more serious note, this would fit well on repeat (turned up a bit, since it's quiet. I wasn't even aware for over half a year that there was actually something playing for this):

silent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjBSvJOsziI

[JadedPony]

There aren't really a lot of cloud structures left over Hoofington anyway, though, are there?

Tom is ten thousand tonnes of moonstone. Just for comparison, the meteor that exploded over russia was 10 tons and it created a shock wave that was the equivalent to 300,000 tons of TNT. The infra-sound shock wave was measured over most of the globe. When Tom enters the atmosphere, every piece of glass in every cloud city around the world is going to shatter, most likely the Pegasus' will be tossed around like leafs on the wind and their cities will be displaced by miles suffering significant structural damage. Tom will set the Enclave back decades and force them to trade with the surface, like it or not.

Unless... he uses some magic to knock himself out of phase with the atmosphere like The Twins then he can sail through the atmo until the last moment, losing no mass and having maximum impact.

Alternatively, if he is out of phase the magic of the "Net" would still catch him and allow the reactor to harness his power.
Also if he misses all together he could just phase right through the planet and not hurt anything.

I would think that if you just wanted to fire a big hunk of rock at the planet you wouldn't need a star spirit in it. So maybe he is in the rock for the purpose of keeping it ghost until the process is complete? Having a pilot for something that dangerous sounds like something Goldie would have thought of.

[tylertoon2]

Wasn't there some talk waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay long ago in this thread or the general chat about the "boss music" for when Blackjack fights Cognitum?

This is literally a dual in the throne room of a giant castle shaped Cannon on the fucking moon. This shit NEEDS to be as Hot Blooded(Don't click its a trap) as can be!

Spoiler:

[Harmony Ltd.]

I'm happy to see a Perturbator song make it to that list.

[tylertoon2]

I'm happy to see a Perturbator song make it to that list.

 
I've been on a hotline miami kick waiting for the second to come out. 

Speaking of which for a fight with the eater? There's something that fits your description

[JadedPony]

I've always thought that this was the best theme song for Blackjack:



I can totally see her singing this while drunk.

[Vergil]

Re: Music for Cogs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiLHKyLlg70

[Somber]

I love your recaps Icy.  I'd forgotten that BJ had talked to Luna already.

[Epsilon]

@Cognitum Music

Personally, I'm quite partial to the score for Anno 2070 here. The climax for this track in particular seems rather fitting.

[RoboRed]

*snip*

Perturbator-Vengeance wins for Cogs battle.

[Icy Shake]

@Icy Shake:
Ah, thank you very much as always.
Hm, and a pleasantly surprisingly small number of errors to fix this week, it looks like.  :)

I'm kind of expecting it to be smaller from here on out than it had been for a while.

Also I'm glad that someone she met feels that way. Seriously.

Now that I think of it, that was probably really awkward for the first  Harbinger she tried it on.

I just imagine her getting some Harbinger alone, putting the moves on him, him trying to push her back without insulting the guest and intelligence asset, and right as she's pushing really hard and lifting her tail, the Harbinger's supervisor walks in, saying "The hell is going on here?" He, of course, tries saying what happened, but gets cut off and tossed in a cell (works even better if he'd liked to spend a lot of time in Flank or something before joining up). Then, a few days or a week later, the door to the cell opens up and Supervisor walks in, saying, "I think I owe you an apology."

Those're some nice musical options, there.

(not sure if got joke with mine or is just being silly)


On a more serious note, this would fit well on repeat (turned up a bit, since it's quiet. I wasn't even aware for over half a year that there was actually something playing for this):

silent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjBSvJOsziI

As far as the concept goes, I was serious. Obviously it'd be better with a lead-in rising in intensity before the sound just cuts out entirely (and matched to appropriate gameplay/cutscene footage, but I don't think the point here was a full production) as things really get started.

I've always thought that this was the best theme song for Blackjack:



I can totally see her singing this while drunk.

I like the lyrics, but even for drunk-downtime Blackjack the music seems too laid-back for me.

I love your recaps Icy.  I'd forgotten that BJ had talked to Luna already.

Happy as ever to hear that, thank you. Well, it's a big story, and over a year since.

[SilentCarto]

Tom is ten thousand tonnes of moonstone. Just for comparison, the meteor that exploded over russia was 10 tons and it created a shock wave that was the equivalent to 300,000 tons of TNT. The infra-sound shock wave was measured over most of the globe. When Tom enters the atmosphere, every piece of glass in every cloud city around the world is going to shatter, most likely the Pegasus' will be tossed around like leafs on the wind and their cities will be displaced by miles suffering significant structural damage. Tom will set the Enclave back decades and force them to trade with the surface, like it or not.

Not quite. First, blast pressue scales up as (approximately) 2/3 of yield, but drops off as the cube root of distance. That means that each additional megaton you add to a blast adds a diminishing distance to its blast radius. A 300 kt blast like the one at Chelyabinsk, occurring at ground level, would have an blast-effect radius of about 3.4 km. (Specifically, we're discussing the 5 psi overpressure radius, which is enough to destroy most civilian structures and kill unprotected humans.) A blast ten times that size, 3 Mt, just about doubles the radius to 7.3 km. The biggest nuclear bomb ever detonated, the 50 Mt "Tsar Bomba", still would have only hit 18.7 km if it were detonated on the ground. (I'm not using airbursts because the optimal altitude varies by yield and desired effect, and we're talking about Tom hitting the ground anyway. Numbers calculated by NukeMap.)

Second, the Chelyabinsk meteor caused an explosion like that because it shattered when it hit a thicker layer of air and dumped all its kinetic energy into the atmosphere. If we assume Tom to be more or less unbreakable, it would deposit very little energy in the air and spend it all converting solid bedrock into crater, which costs a lot of energy for not much hole. You'd likely end up with something similar to Barringer Crater (AKA Meteor Crater, Arizona), which was created by a 50m diameter nickel-iron meteorite weighing 300,000 metric tons. (For reference, a sphere of quartz weighing 10,000 metric tons would be just under 19.5 meters across.) Now, granted, the crater is over a kilometer across, and that's a big damn hole. But it's not that big a deal on a global scale -- the Earth has suffered many events of greater violence in human history that didn't shatter windows worldwide, including Krakatoa, the Siberian Fireball, and several nuclear weapons.

Of course, that assumes he doesn't hit a giant deposit of starmetal first.

[Somber]

Helps if that deposit isn't buried, isn't it?

[ILM126]

Interesting.  What are you using for engines?  A custom mod?

I'm using CKAN to install my mods, but the few that get used by this rocket are. I'll only put the ones for parts below.

• Real Fuels
  
• MechJeb 2
  
• Tweak Scale
  
• Kerbal Joint Reinforcement
  
• Near Future Solar (Has Equestrians found Solar power yet?)
  
• KineTech Animation Library?
  
• RLA Stockalike
  

And for the module

• SpaceX Launch Pack LR by LazTek
  

Plus I have more that helps makes launching rockets easier. I'm uploading some more screenshots now, here. Got a few more prototypes to go before the ESS-A1 is completed!

[O. Hinds]

Oh, are you not trying to model the behavior of MTRpg and LAMTRpg engines?

Has Equestrians found Solar power yet?

FoE gives them some solar power tech, yes (the Hope Solar Array and New Hope Solar Array). I don't know the details, though, I'm afraid.

[ILM126]

That is the ESS-A1 Mk4 (Finite Fuel Version) on the launch pad about to travel to the Mun (Moon), that is just a modified version of the ESS-A1 Mk4 that I'm planning, this is just a very quick revision of my original rocket.

ESS-A1 on launch pad:

Here's it viewed from the top, with the few boosters rockets that I got strapped onto the side here.

ESS-A1 launching:

And here's it launching from KSC (Kerbal Space Centre) with MechJeb 2 controlling it with Ascent Guidance for it to reach it's intended Parking Orbit before doing a Hohmann transfer to reach the Mun. Which is what I presumed was done in the story. Or, since the ESS-A1 have infinite fuel, it might have just aimed itself at the Moon and just did a direct transfer. Which reduces travel time by a lot.

Doing a Gravity Turn:

And Orbit Insertion and Gravity Turn!

Escaping Kerbin, to the Mun!:

After one orbit around Kerbin (Earth) the ESS-A1 does a Hohmann Transfer to the Mun. All done without "Infinite Fuel" on!

Amazing View!:

And a panoramic view of the rocket with both the Sun and Kerbin in the background =D

Approaching the Mun:

And the approach of the Mun, as the rocket got closer. I prepare for the landing.

Preparing for landing:

This looks just about right, but then I decided to go for a direct landing in fear of running out of fuel.

Seconds to crashing into Mun:

Coming in for the landing, I hope this time that it wouldn't fail like my previous attempts ^^"

Deceleration:

And landing, the rocket actually jumped a few times before landing... On a slope at the edge of a crater...

Oh well, I'll have another try:

Yeah.. So... It landed on the crater slope and fell over... I still need to work on the rocket landing and the location of where I land...

And more words on the rocket and my idea of the Equus Solar System below!

More Thoughts On Project Horizons' Solar System and Rockets:

Oh, are you not trying to model the behavior of MTRpg and LAMTRpg engines?

MTRpg, LAMTRpg..... Where did you mentioned these two... um... words? Plus, it runs on Liquid Hydrogen and Liquid Oxygen.

As for the rockets, my friend saw a flaw in my Mk2 design and fixed it up a bit (he built the whole thing from scratch, saying how and where my rocket's "stuff" went wrong. So I tuned up his design to fit for PH and made Mk4). And I did a successfull landing of the rocket back on Kerbin after 1 orbit, but I forgot to record it ^^"

But I did get some screenshots! Here's the one that showed it after landing XD

ESS-A1 Mk4 Test 3's Successful Landing!:

[ILM126]

Tom is ten thousand tonnes of moonstone. Just for comparison, the meteor that exploded over russia was 10 tons and it created a shock wave that was the equivalent to 300,000 tons of TNT. The infra-sound shock wave was measured over most of the globe. When Tom enters the atmosphere, every piece of glass in every cloud city around the world is going to shatter, most likely the Pegasus' will be tossed around like leafs on the wind and their cities will be displaced by miles suffering significant structural damage. Tom will set the Enclave back decades and force them to trade with the surface, like it or not.

Not quite. First, blast pressue scales up as (approximately) 2/3 of yield, but drops off as the cube root of distance. That means that each additional megaton you add to a blast adds a diminishing distance to its blast radius. A 300 kt blast like the one at Chelyabinsk, occurring at ground level, would have an blast-effect radius of about 3.4 km. (Specifically, we're discussing the 5 psi overpressure radius, which is enough to destroy most civilian structures and kill unprotected humans.) A blast ten times that size, 3 Mt, just about doubles the radius to 7.3 km. The biggest nuclear bomb ever detonated, the 50 Mt "Tsar Bomba", still would have only hit 18.7 km if it were detonated on the ground. (I'm not using airbursts because the optimal altitude varies by yield and desired effect, and we're talking about Tom hitting the ground anyway. Numbers calculated by NukeMap.)

Second, the Chelyabinsk meteor caused an explosion like that because it shattered when it hit a thicker layer of air and dumped all its kinetic energy into the atmosphere. If we assume Tom to be more or less unbreakable, it would deposit very little energy in the air and spend it all converting solid bedrock into crater, which costs a lot of energy for not much hole. You'd likely end up with something similar to Barringer Crater (AKA Meteor Crater, Arizona), which was created by a 50m diameter nickel-iron meteorite weighing 300,000 metric tons. (For reference, a sphere of quartz weighing 10,000 metric tons would be just under 19.5 meters across.) Now, granted, the crater is over a kilometer across, and that's a big damn hole. But it's not that big a deal on a global scale -- the Earth has suffered many events of greater violence in human history that didn't shatter windows worldwide, including Krakatoa, the Siberian Fireball, and several nuclear weapons.

Of course, that assumes he doesn't hit a giant deposit of starmetal first.

Yeah, but TOM wouldn't have to go through much. Because there's already a hole that goes from the surface to the Starmetal, the hole that's in the middle of the Minstry Square...

[O. Hinds]

Which is what I presumed was done in the story. Or, since the ESS-A1 have infinite fuel, it might have just aimed itself at the Moon and just did a direct transfer. Which reduces travel time by a lot.

Not exactly infinite fuel, but yeah, it brachistochroned.

I'm afraid that I don't really understand your proposed eclipse mechanics for the Equus system, though.

MTRpg, LAMTRpg..... Where did you mentioned these two... um... words?

Multiple places, including that editor's note and recently in this thread.

Plus, it runs on Liquid Hydrogen and Liquid Oxygen.

Right, which neither the ESS-A1 or the older rockets do. That's what I'm asking about; I'm not really sure how accurate you're trying to make these.

[ILM126]

Which is what I presumed was done in the story. Or, since the ESS-A1 have infinite fuel, it might have just aimed itself at the Moon and just did a direct transfer. Which reduces travel time by a lot.

Not exactly infinite fuel, but yeah, it brachistochroned.

I'm afraid that I don't really understand your proposed eclipse mechanics for the Equus system, though.

MTRpg, LAMTRpg..... Where did you mentioned these two... um... words?

Multiple places, including that editor's note and recently in this thread.

Plus, it runs on Liquid Hydrogen and Liquid Oxygen.

Right, which neither the ESS-A1 or the older rockets do.  That's what I'm asking about; I'm not really sure how accurate you're trying to make these.

The reason why I chose to make the orbits a bit ecliptic is because there's no pony guiding the moon and sun around Equus, so that's why it would be slightly ecliptic.

Alright.. MTR, Magic Thermal Rockets and LAMTR, LOX-augmented Magic Thermal Rocket... Let me think how I should incorprate into the rocket engine.

Ahhh.. Ooops, just read the Editor Notes again. So it's like nuclear power... Nuclear engines then ^^" Just change the design a tiny bit.



Alrighti-o, now to make those changes...

[O. Hinds]

Right, the "fuel" is inside the reactor, and the propellant is a non-mixture gas that shouldn't be undergoing any chemical reactions inside the ship except during LAMTRpg mode. Here, though, the fuel isn't just providing the heat, it's actually driving onboard propellant creation too.

[ILM126]

Right, the "fuel" is inside the reactor, and the propellant is a non-mixture gas that shouldn't be undergoing any chemical reactions inside the ship except during LAMTRpg mode.  Here, though, the fuel isn't just providing the heat, it's actually driving onboard propellant creation too.

Alright, I'll see if I couldn't get a mod for this or I just make a mod by myself. It might take me a few weeks because school is on now for me.

[O. Hinds]

Ah, good luck.

[Blue Heron]

So I'm re-reading horizons in full because I have Swiss cheese memory, and in chapter 57 I recall a line was taken out about crumpet favoring the mares and replaced with the four left feet line. Then this exchange happens:

“You’re Morning Glory, right?” Crumpets asked Glory, and the blue pegasus swapped her amused look at me to a nod at the yellow-brown mare. “I was wondering if we could talk a little. We found some notes on the virus in Blackjack’s bedroom, and I was hoping you might have some advice on making sure the recycler is clean.”
Glory frowned and looked from Crumpets to me. “I… um… I’m not sure this is a good time…”
“Oh go on. This sounds like something Rainbow Dash couldn’t do,” I said with a warm smile. Glory blinked, then smiled back. I couldn’t resist, grinning and saying in a much lower voice, “And you heard what she said.” She looked at me flatly as I grinned back.
“You have some kind of personal vendetta against monogamy, don’t you?” Glory countered.
I spread my hooves wide. “Love wants to be free!”

Which to me now doesn't make sense with the four left feet ramark. Anyone else?

[O. Hinds]

Sigh. We seem to always miss something...
Thanks, though!
Unfortunately, the best I could think of was replacing

“Oh go on.  This sounds like something Rainbow Dash couldn’t do,” I said with a warm smile.  Glory blinked, then smiled back.  I couldn’t resist, grinning and saying in a much lower voice, “And you heard what she said.”  She looked at me flatly as I grinned back.
    “You have some kind of personal vendetta against monogamy, don’t you?” Glory countered.
    I spread my hooves wide.  “Love wants to be free!”
    “You’re impossible,” she said with a smile and a shake of her head.  Then she turned to Crumpets.  “I think we can talk a bit.  Let’s get a drink first.”

with

“Oh go on.  This sounds like something Rainbow Dash couldn’t do,” I said with a warm smile.  Glory blinked, then smiled back.  
"Thanks, Blackjack."  Then she turned to Crumpets.  “I think we can talk a bit.  Let’s get a drink first.”

[Icy Shake]

Sigh.  We seem to always miss something...
Thanks, though!
Unfortunately, the best I could think of was replacing

“Oh go on.  This sounds like something Rainbow Dash couldn’t do,” I said with a warm smile.  Glory blinked, then smiled back.  I couldn’t resist, grinning and saying in a much lower voice, “And you heard what she said.”  She looked at me flatly as I grinned back.
    “You have some kind of personal vendetta against monogamy, don’t you?” Glory countered.
    I spread my hooves wide.  “Love wants to be free!”
    “You’re impossible,” she said with a smile and a shake of her head.  Then she turned to Crumpets.  “I think we can talk a bit.  Let’s get a drink first.”

with

“Oh go on.  This sounds like something Rainbow Dash couldn’t do,” I said with a warm smile.  Glory blinked, then smiled back.  
"Thanks, Blackjack."  Then she turned to Crumpets.  “I think we can talk a bit.  Let’s get a drink first.”

Aww. :( I really liked the vendetta/love wants to be free exchange, and think that it was an important piece leading up to the stuff between Blackjack and Glory at the end of the chapter. Do you think it could be preserved with the addition of some body language/vocal cues Blackjack could pick up on, and Blackjack saying something like "And besides, I think she might have a thing for you/she might be interested in cleaning more than recyclers/studying some other biology too" as the segue instead? I think that you said the change was only to her not saying she was exclusively for mares, so it wouldn't be breaking anything as long as the conversation still flowed.

[Blue Heron]

Oooooh good suggestion. I liked that exchange too! Now I feel bad :(

[O. Hinds]

Aww. :( I really liked the vendetta/love wants to be free exchange, and think that it was an important piece leading up to the stuff between Blackjack and Glory at the end of the chapter. Do you think it could be preserved with the addition of some body language/vocal cues Blackjack could pick up on, and Blackjack saying something like "And besides, I think she might have a thing for you/she might be interested in cleaning more than recyclers/studying some other biology too" as the segue instead? I think that you said the change was only to her not saying she was exclusively for mares, so it wouldn't be breaking anything as long as the conversation still flowed.

Ah, yes, good idea! Thank you.

Oooooh good suggestion. I liked that exchange too! Now I feel bad :(

No problem.


I didn't find anywhere to add body language/cues/etc., sorry (I'm rather tired and busy at the moment), but the passage now reads

“Oh go on.  This sounds like something Rainbow Dash couldn’t do,” I said with a warm smile.  Glory blinked, then smiled back.  I couldn’t resist, grinning and saying in a much lower voice, “And hey, since I have to keep the party going and Stronghoof's busy dancing, you two smart ponies will have to find a way to keep each other busy.”  She looked at me flatly as I grinned back. "After you're done studying biology, lots of places around here you could find some privacy to... study biology."
    “You have some kind of personal vendetta against monogamy, don’t you?” Glory countered dryly.
    I spread my hooves wide.  “Love wants to be free!”
    “You’re impossible,” she said with a smile and a shake of her head.  Then she turned to Crumpets.  “I think we can talk a bit.  Let’s get a drink first.”

That work? Sorry again for not figuring out how to do more.

[Somber]

Anyone speak japanese... or know someone who knows japanese?

[Harmony Ltd.]

I... may know someone.

Well, it's been a while since I've talked to him, but I could maybe convince him to get out of retirement.

One last job. For old time's sake.

[O. Hinds]

Regarding the 57 Matter:
Somber has said that the current version does not feel right to him, but he is also no longer sure what he wants to do with this issue and has frozen work on it.  It is possible that we will even be going back to the original version (or some reconstruction of it).  We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause and hope to have the issue resolved as soon as possible.

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