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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Frost Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:11 am
Well, I"m a good ways through Arc 16, and the worst I can see having happened to her so far is having to root up and move in the wake of Leviathan's attack. I foresee that changing soon, though
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Frost Sun Oct 12, 2014 2:14 am
I'm trying to avoid spoiling as much as I can, but proceed at your own risk nonetheless.
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- As time goes on, as you might well guess, the gulf between Skitter's life and Taylor's shrinks more and more. She is and will be less and less concerned about letting the two mingle (such as the revenge she fantasized about earlier on in the story) and, with her, the rest of the Undersiders, and the Travellers busy chopping up all of Brockton Bay into neat little slices, Emma's family is going to be spotted as soon as they come in. Even if Skitter/Taylor doesn't pay them a visit, Tattletale or Grue have fewer compunctions and a good degree of protective instinct towards her.
But enough of that. I must not spoil. I mustn't.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Frost Sun Oct 12, 2014 2:19 am
As a side-note; goddamn, 16.11. As much as Wildbow claims not to know about guns (through Taylor's own lack of knowledge thereof. It's not the first time authors just had characters share their own gaps of knowledge to avoid having to jump those hurtles) a lot of non-Combat Arms military personnel don't get the concept of "talking" guns; most civilians have never heard of it. One has to wonder if Wildbow is a bit more knowledgeable than s/he shows, or it's just sheer luck.
EDIT: And then Skitter proceeds to tie the grenade pins to the fence so the soldiers pull their own pins. Because bugs could never discreetly apply the thirty-five pounds of pressure necessary to remove the pin from a hand grenade.
You'll forgive my hooah-nerding. I just appreciate these sorts of details.
EDIT 2: Next chapter features Bounding Overwatch. Yeah, I'm chalking this up to at least a cursory read of a few military books, perhaps even field manuals and TC's for the sake of research.
EDIT: And then Skitter proceeds to tie the grenade pins to the fence so the soldiers pull their own pins. Because bugs could never discreetly apply the thirty-five pounds of pressure necessary to remove the pin from a hand grenade.
You'll forgive my hooah-nerding. I just appreciate these sorts of details.
EDIT 2: Next chapter features Bounding Overwatch. Yeah, I'm chalking this up to at least a cursory read of a few military books, perhaps even field manuals and TC's for the sake of research.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Frost Sun Oct 12, 2014 2:34 am
and yet, despite all this, fireteams are consistently referred to as "squads". I'll chalk that up to Taylor (and therefore her narrative) not knowing the proper terminology.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Frost Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:17 am
And, to end my spamming for the night, I'll just have to sum up my thoughts on the conclusion of Arc 16 with this: that was butt-fuckin' awesome. I wish I had better words for it, but really, that's all there is to say. That was easily one of, if not the definitive high-point of the entire story thus far. In keeping with tradition, it smoothly transitioned right into a new Arc, but it didn't seem forced at all. It was just the logical conclusion of a threat that's been building for chapters upon chapters. If I don't have guard tomorrow, I'd spend the rest of the night reading "just one more chapter".
Ah, well. All it means is that I have that 24 hours to read.
Ah, well. All it means is that I have that 24 hours to read.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Frost Sun Oct 12, 2014 9:32 pm
Yes, yes, I suspected you'd appreciate that.
I don't think there was a real attempt to make Sophia relatable or even understandable. She's just what you said--a thug who comes up with self-serving justifications for why she's a thug. Hell, even Hookwolf is noted as having the mentality of a bygone-age warlord and a (brutal) sense of honor. Shadow Stalker just likes to dominate and bully people, and sides with the 'heroes' because they stay out of the way of that, more-or-less.
I don't think there was a real attempt to make Sophia relatable or even understandable. She's just what you said--a thug who comes up with self-serving justifications for why she's a thug. Hell, even Hookwolf is noted as having the mentality of a bygone-age warlord and a (brutal) sense of honor. Shadow Stalker just likes to dominate and bully people, and sides with the 'heroes' because they stay out of the way of that, more-or-less.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Stringtheory Sun Oct 12, 2014 9:39 pm
Did you get to 10.x or just 10.1?swicked wrote:stringtheory wrote:swicked wrote:*snip*
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That was masterful. Absolutely so.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Frost Mon Oct 13, 2014 3:07 am
- Interlude 18#4:
I don't quite know why, but I love Faultine and her crew. I'm glad to see them returning to the narrative (even if it is bloodied, kicking and screaming) rather than just fading away. Hell, it seems that Wildbow makes a habit of that--no one who's still alive will get off Scott-free. The Pure have their Theo-related deadline, the mercenaries have this new job, Parian has both her tentative working relationship with the Undersiders and a burgeoning relationship with Flechette, ect. Hell, stuff that I'd forgotten about (like the Wards' therapy) is brought up. Nothing, thus far, is aborted, forgotten, or not followed through to its bitter conclusion.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Guest Mon Oct 13, 2014 5:10 pm
- 11.1-6:
- Now that I have a better idea for what Taylor is trying to do I redact what I had to say about the loss of respect. Though I'm still not a fan of this "all-in" thing.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Stringtheory Tue Oct 14, 2014 1:12 am
- 25.x:
- I just found these two comments (quoted in part):Calderon proved to be a giant bad idea factory for the entire story. Everything the do screams: “We can see the lines of victory! Nothing could possibly go wrong!”
These two comments made me realize that Cauldron is a deconstruction of the '(precognisant) shadow group doing whatever it takes to save the world' trope, in this case they're arguably doing more harm than good especially in the short term and in the end they'll probably fail horribly thereby proving that their shadow games were all for naught, only for the regular heroes working through regular methods to save the world.Cauldron’s blind spot is that they think what Contessa and their other precogs see as THE road to victory is in reality only a single one out of many.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Stringtheory Tue Oct 14, 2014 1:23 am
swicked wrote:
- 12.x (jack interlude):
...but mannequin didn't lose to a candidate. He lost to Skitter, who Jack doesn't mention when counting off the candidates later.
So what is going on, here? Is this just a bad assumption on his part? One mannequin decided against correcting him for?
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- I think Mannequin had to forfeit his chance at one of the candidates (Bitch?) due to Skitter and Co. beating the crap out of him, thus he lost a day
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Stringtheory Tue Oct 14, 2014 1:36 am
swicked wrote:stringtheory wrote:swicked wrote:
- 12.x (jack interlude):
...but mannequin didn't lose to a candidate. He lost to Skitter, who Jack doesn't mention when counting off the candidates later.
So what is going on, here? Is this just a bad assumption on his part? One mannequin decided against correcting him for?
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So, losing an irrelevant, personal engagement with anyone/anything has ramifications on the new candidate choosing process? 'Cause that just doesn't seem to make sense to me since Jack seemed to be laying out the testing process as allowing each member to do whatever they wanted to whichever candidate they wanted as their "test".
...but the engagement with Skitter had nothing to do with any candidate and happened prior to the rules even being laid down.
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- No this was later, once everything had been setup, Mannequin tried to get to Bitch and Skitter and Co. drove him back, and in order to survive he had to 'tag' in Burnscar who in the course of their fight lit a fire in Skitter's district.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Stringtheory Tue Oct 14, 2014 1:39 am
Huh, sorry, I could've sworn that happens earlier...guess not.swicked wrote:...okay. No, because he was still webbed when he showed up. You're talking about stuff I haven't gotten to yet and so don't answer my question.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Frost Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:03 pm
- 22.4:
I do not, in any true fashion, share Taylor/Skitter's experiences with bullying. Nonetheless, I dislike the type. The arrogantly invincible ones, the ones throwing their weight around like they own the place. The chapter's conclusion was, therefore, quite cathartic.
I'm glad I'm in my room reading this, because it would be rather disruptive if I was out and about and began smiling and half-silently cheering and exclaiming "holy shit" as I literally was. That was, perhaps one of, if not the single most satisfying moments in the story thus far. Beyond Coil's defeat. Beyond Lung's, or Armsmaster's, or anyone else's. The invincible Alexandria, suffocating on vermin, even as Tagg's soft tissues are chewed up and devoured.
And that iron-hard will Taylor had, having gone from a submissive victim to that; that satisfyingly ironic echo of "inevitable". No matter where this next chapter goes, it was worth it.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Guest Wed Oct 15, 2014 12:17 am
- interlude 11.h:
- That escalated quickly. Not sure why Victoria would think Amy would do worse to her.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Guest Wed Oct 15, 2014 2:31 am
- Not really really related to 12.2 but that's the furthest point I've read and don't recall the chapter number this is relevent to:
- Did Mannequin take Armsmaster's knife? I've been thinking of the cutting the planet in half suggestion Lisa made and I wonder if Jack's power would extend to the thing. I know Dinah says that's not how things happen, but if the device does count the death toll he could accumulate with it would be massive.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Guest Thu Oct 16, 2014 7:18 am
- 13.6 not finished with the chapter yet:
- Just stopped to make a predicition. If this story has taught me anything about a Tinker it's this: You don't steal their devices. The reason given is that they more often then not contain a way to track them down.
Taylor just stole a tinker's devices and brought them home. Maybe that was part of her plan, but saying it was easier to track the nine then have the nine track them makes me think she hasn't taken it into account. This may be a grave error.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Guest Thu Oct 16, 2014 7:42 am
- @Swicked:
- I was referring to Bonesaw, she's a medical tinker and she mentioned putting implants into herself and the others when Imp stabbed her. So, I'm considering Shatterbird, Cherish and the rest of the slaughter house nine her devices.
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by Guest Thu Oct 16, 2014 11:35 pm
- 13.8:
- Figured Brian was going to die. Taylor has grown, she I think is ready to take the reigns as leader. Skitter did suggest Panacea could help, but I'm not sure she'd be inclined to, even if she were I think this may be beyond her power.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Guest Fri Oct 17, 2014 2:36 am
- 13.9:
- Damn, that helpless feeling. Glad Parian's alive, it's good Brian's alive too. I think I'd be happier about that if I hadn't already written him off.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Guest Fri Oct 17, 2014 3:04 am
- 13.10:
- Kinda hoped the BrianXTaylor thing was done with. The best way I can put it is I liked that Taylor was shot down, sometimes that happens. It's real. Hope it's not a focus going forward.
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by Guest Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:40 am
- 14.1:
- I remember a while back that Taylor saw a light in one of the buildings devoured by crater lake. It would make sense if it was Siberian's real body. She could extend her invincibility to him so he wouldn't need to breathe until a place was set up, and I imagine he'd be safe from Shatterbird's power if he was under the water.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Guest Fri Oct 17, 2014 5:11 am
- 14.2 Not done yet:
- Had to pause. I don't understand why Skitter isn't making one of her bug people and having Trickster swap Amy with that. His power is obviously not one object for one object, or one person for one person, or one object for one person. Him and the rest of the group swapped places with multiple children. It just seems to be a matter of having equivalent mass.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Frost Fri Oct 17, 2014 10:41 pm
- Interlude 26#1:
Fuck. Yes. One lingering complaint that's been drifting in my mind has been the general lack of unpowered people as truly powerful characters. Obstructors, beaurocrats, and vaguely-veteran belligerent polititians, yes, but no one that poses a real threat to even the parahumans that have vacuum powers or flying, glowing bubbles or what the fuck ever.
Then comes Saint and his crew. A bit of captured, reverse-engineered tech and some skill and cleverness, and they're a mortal threat to the world's most OP AI and her legion of robotic super-Mecha.
The ramifications of Dragon's "death" increasing the world's chances of survival are....intriguing.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Scienza Fri Oct 17, 2014 11:02 pm
Mister Frost wrote:
- Interlude 26#1:
Fuck. Yes. One lingering complaint that's been drifting in my mind has been the general lack of unpowered people as truly powerful characters. Obstructors, beaurocrats, and vaguely-veteran belligerent polititians, yes, but no one that poses a real threat to even the parahumans that have vacuum powers or flying, glowing bubbles or what the fuck ever.
Then comes Saint and his crew. A bit of captured, reverse-engineered tech and some skill and cleverness, and they're a mortal threat to the world's most OP AI and her legion of robotic super-Mecha.
The ramifications of Dragon's "death" increasing the world's chances of survival are....intriguing.
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- I'd probably agree more with you if Saint wasn't an asshole and Dragon wasn't one of the most unquestionably good characters in the story. There's more to my disagreement, I just can't really get into it specifically without being all spoilery.
Although, I do agree that it is always refreshing to see badass "civilians" one-up some of the most powerful capes.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Frost Sat Oct 18, 2014 1:06 am
On an unrelated note,
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- SkitterxBitch make it happen
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Guest Sat Oct 18, 2014 7:43 am
- 15 donation interlude:
- That sucks, arguably worse then what Bonesaw did to people. At least I would say it is.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Scienza Sat Oct 18, 2014 10:48 am
Mister Frost wrote:On an unrelated note,
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- TaylorxLisa all the way.
Although, TaylorxBrian is actually pretty well done.
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by Frost Sat Oct 18, 2014 12:08 pm
Scienza wrote:Mister Frost wrote:On an unrelated note,
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Although, TaylorxBrian is actually pretty well done.
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- ImpxRegent's corpse
Also, BrianxThis "Cozen" Bitch, apparently still canon as of interlude 26a, is a crock of shit
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