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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Scienza Wed Oct 08, 2014 4:41 pm
Since I'm a character nut, I'd say the point where the Undersiders' personalities and group chemistry really started to be defined. However, if you mean the point where the story crossed the "holy shit" threshold and I became incapable of putting it down, I'd say around ~6-8.swicked wrote:How long 'till you guys were hooked on this story?
I don't plan on stopping before I'm done, but I am really not hooked yet just passed the second and far less friendly run-in with Armsmaster.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Frost Wed Oct 08, 2014 5:01 pm
For me, I had the hook in mouth with little passing references to the world at large--Scion, the Protectorate, the passing mentions of "The Endbringers", but I'd say the hook was really set when....well, I forget the exact arc number. Sci, help me out?swicked wrote:How long 'till you guys were hooked on this story?
I don't plan on stopping before I'm done, but I am really not hooked yet just passed the second and far less friendly run-in with Armsmaster.
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- Coil got involved, and Leviathan showed shortly thereafter
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Scienza Wed Oct 08, 2014 5:35 pm
If I remember correctly, that was somewhere around the same point of ~6-8. This first thing started happening about halfway through 6 and the second thing happened in 8.Mister Frost wrote:For me, I had the hook in mouth with little passing references to the world at large--Scion, the Protectorate, the passing mentions of "The Endbringers", but I'd say the hook was really set when....well, I forget the exact arc number. Sci, help me out?swicked wrote:How long 'till you guys were hooked on this story?
I don't plan on stopping before I'm done, but I am really not hooked yet just passed the second and far less friendly run-in with Armsmaster.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Frost Wed Oct 08, 2014 6:14 pm
- 13.7:
Once again, the "heroes" are hanging back. They were less than useful dealing with the ABB, practically useless during the Eighty-Eight's rampage, outright violated the Endbringer truce (not to mention trying to send someone to the Birdcage after intentionally keeping her restrained and paralyzed for hours) and appear to be content to chill in their headquarters and occasionally "patrol" while villains carve Brockton Bay into neat little slices and both drug-crazed hordes and neo-Nazi fanatics wage war on the streets. Now, they outright deny going on the offensive against the Nine, even admitting that civilians would die, but fewer of them would.
I'm beginning to think that the heroes being attractive and having government backing and less "scary" powers is about all that separates the two groups, except that "villains" are, perhaps, more proactive.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Stringtheory Wed Oct 08, 2014 6:43 pm
Scienza wrote:If I remember correctly, that was somewhere around the same point of ~6-8. This first thing started happening about halfway through 6 and the second thing happened in 8.Mister Frost wrote:For me, I had the hook in mouth with little passing references to the world at large--Scion, the Protectorate, the passing mentions of "The Endbringers", but I'd say the hook was really set when....well, I forget the exact arc number. Sci, help me out?swicked wrote:How long 'till you guys were hooked on this story?
I don't plan on stopping before I'm done, but I am really not hooked yet just passed the second and far less friendly run-in with Armsmaster.
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- I was hooked at the bank robbery and I was actually in disbelief when Leviathan showed up
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Frost Wed Oct 08, 2014 11:15 pm
- Interlude 13:
And my earlier assessment was completely correct. After being handed the Nine on a silver platter, more or less, they decide to use the opportunity--to use Bakuda's tech and kill the villains in the middle of a truce.
It's been a while since we've seen Coil's power in action. I suspect it'll come into play here.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Guest Thu Oct 09, 2014 6:18 am
- 7.11:
- What an asshole. Poor kid.
On a slightly unrelated note I'm surprised Rachel changed her mind. I noticed Angelica wasn't with her, so I'm assuming she's either dead or injured seriously enough she needs to stay home and recover.
Either way I can't believe she's not trying to get her revenge on either Coil for antagonizing Purity and Empire Eighty Eight or Taylor for insisting they fight her. And if she is well it seems off, Rachel doesn't give me the impression of someone who would play the long game.
I guess I'm supposed to take it as Rachel enjoying Taylor's company enough that Rachel realized having help around isn't so bad, but it feel a little out of character.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Guest Thu Oct 09, 2014 10:53 am
- 8.5:
- Really? With everything going on they're going to arrest the injured villians who just like the heroes were risking life and limb for the city and it's people moments ago?
I understand making them a lower priority to heroes with injuries of equal severity, but damn. Assholes.
Edit: Eh, turns out it was just Armsmaster being an asshole. As usual.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Formis_Fluttergod Thu Oct 09, 2014 1:03 pm
Sounds interesting. Is it on FiMFiction? 
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Stringtheory Thu Oct 09, 2014 1:28 pm
Nope, only humans, thus not on FiMfic, hence why this thread is in the general writing section rather than the fan fiction section (in case you didn't know).Formis_Fluttergod wrote:Sounds interesting. Is it on FiMFiction?
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Scienza Thu Oct 09, 2014 5:45 pm
Aye, as stringtheory mentioned, it's a really awesome serial about a lonely adolescent girl that, through her unusual powers, meets an unlikely group of friends that will teach her the true meaning of friendship. It can be found here.Formis_Fluttergod wrote:Sounds interesting. Is it on FiMFiction?
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Frost Thu Oct 09, 2014 6:46 pm
Zecora x Siberian new OTP.Scienza wrote:Aye, as stringtheory mentioned, it's a really awesome serial about a lonely adolescent girl that, through her unusual powers, meets an unlikely group of friends that will teach her the true meaning of friendship. It can be found here.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Scienza Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:28 am
"You may live a life of crime,Mister Frost wrote:Zecora x Siberian new OTP.Scienza wrote:Aye, as stringtheory mentioned, it's a really awesome serial about a lonely adolescent girl that, through her unusual powers, meets an unlikely group of friends that will teach her the true meaning of friendship. It can be found here.
But your body is sublime."
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Formis_Fluttergod Fri Oct 10, 2014 12:01 pm
Nah, I saw it in the 'Latest Topics' and didn't check the header navigation.stringtheory wrote:Nope, only humans, thus not on FiMfic, hence why this thread is in the general writing section rather than the fan fiction section (in case you didn't know).Formis_Fluttergod wrote:Sounds interesting. Is it on FiMFiction?
Might check it out when I have the time, I've got tons of stuff to read as it is.Scienza wrote:Aye, as stringtheory mentioned, it's a really awesome serial about a lonely adolescent girl that, through her unusual powers, meets an unlikely group of friends that will teach her the true meaning of friendship. It can be found here.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Guest Fri Oct 10, 2014 4:03 pm
- 9.2:
- Well, with Shadow Stalker assholeness has infected the wards. Not to sympathize with the attempted rapists, but given Kid Win's response (and the way she's treated Taylor) I'm going to go with the assumption that she would have done the same thing if they had just stolen the lady's purse or something.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Scienza Fri Oct 10, 2014 4:34 pm
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- Aye and OTP.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Stringtheory Fri Oct 10, 2014 11:33 pm
swicked wrote:
- Interlude... 6.X? Maybe?:
Does anyone else find it funny that the "humane" option to lock her up indefinitely with superpowered serial killers in the birdcage was selected over, I don't know, surgically rendering her mute?
Her powers are audible. They could have cut out her vocal cords, tongue and sealed her mouth shut.
I just imagine, if that was suggested to the judge, he would have recoiled, stated that was cruel and unusual, and stated that locking her up for the rest of her life with psychotics was the only reasonable solution to hermistakecrime.
Just a bit of fridge logic. I'm a ways passed that part, now, but I just remembered it and found it funny.
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- Not really a foolproof solution since there are many superpowered healers like Panchea (or whatever her name is)
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Guest Sat Oct 11, 2014 12:50 am
- @Swicked:
- The first charge was attempted murder.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Guest Sat Oct 11, 2014 6:02 am
- 9.5:
- Sophia's worse then I thought. Strange she's decided to pick on the arguably strongest member of the group. Yeah Vista stands no chance in a fist fight with her but if they were to go all out with powers I think Vista would be a safe bet.
I'd think she'd go after Kid Win.
Is it bad that I don't really care about whatever the story is hinting at happened to Sophia? She's pretty unlikeable.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Guest Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:05 am
- 10.1:
- Well, Regent can control people, somehow. Given his dad's powers and the time it took I'm assuming this is permanent. Judging by Skitter's reaction she must have just thought Regent was toturing Shadow Stalker.
Can't say I haven't lost some respect for Taylor this chapter, I understand some what. With the city in it's current state survival is an issue and her power works best with others. But it irks me the way she said "all in", it reminds me of her last encounter with Lisa where she suggested the ridiculous idea that Taylor should accept the shitty things they do or are responsible for because friends.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Scienza Sat Oct 11, 2014 11:45 am
swicked wrote:Ah, nevermind then.
- 8.03:
I know there's no other communications going out right now, but this still strikes me as little but a distraction.
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- It does make some tactical sense, in that it gives you an idea of where Leviathan is ("Genoscythe the Eyeraper just died in C7. I'm in C9. OH FU-"), and, as long as you're paying attention, a rough tactical assessment of the battlefield (If all the healers and heavy hitters in your area are dead, it's time to book it).
The other thing is that while Leviathan is horrifically deadly, he tends to kill a comparatively "manageable" number of capes compared to his siblings.
Told you soswicked wrote:
- Interlude 8.x:
Seriously, holy crap.
Now Taylor is leaving the Undersiders? Really really?
This feel like the book should be ending and it's just not.
This is a pretty darn addictive story, at this point...
.Also, on an unrelated note,
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Guest Sat Oct 11, 2014 12:16 pm
Scienza wrote:swicked wrote:Ah, nevermind then.
- 8.03:
I know there's no other communications going out right now, but this still strikes me as little but a distraction.
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The other thing is that while Leviathan is horrifically deadly, he tends to kill a comparatively "manageable" number of capes compared to his siblings.
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- There are also a few times it's useful. I remember Shielder and Laser Dream, I don't think Shielder dies in an obvious way. I mean I don't think he was decapitated or split in half. So that may have stopped Laser dream from risking her life to save her brother that was already gone.
Also there is the bit at the end where Taylor is huddling alone after her armband breaks and personally I'd rather hear that there were capes dying then think that were no capes left to die and I was facing Leviathan alone.
That function of the armband did remind me of Yonkers from World War Z quite a bit, but in certain situations that information seemed critical.
Scienza wrote:Also, on an unrelated note,Source.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Frost Sat Oct 11, 2014 1:35 pm
That art is approved as fuck.
Now, down to business.
LungxMarquis. Make it happen.
Now, down to business.
LungxMarquis. Make it happen.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Frost Sat Oct 11, 2014 3:06 pm
I think it's kind of the intent that the heroes are just as mixed a basket as the villains. Just as you've got sympathetic/relatable characters in the Undersiders and Travelers, and detestable characters in the Azn Bad Boys and Empire Eighty-Eight, you've got dickbags like Armsmaster and Shadow Stalker mixed among folks like Miss Militia (who I also like) and Legend.
The characters that can be decisively called "good" or "bad", though, such as Miss Militia and Kaiser, respectively, are far outweighed by the ones on both sides of the fence that are self-deluded, conflicted, or just plain complicated like Skitter herself, Marquis, Panacea, and the like.
The characters that can be decisively called "good" or "bad", though, such as Miss Militia and Kaiser, respectively, are far outweighed by the ones on both sides of the fence that are self-deluded, conflicted, or just plain complicated like Skitter herself, Marquis, Panacea, and the like.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Stringtheory Sat Oct 11, 2014 3:07 pm
swicked wrote:Scienza wrote:swicked wrote:Ah, nevermind then.
- 8.03:
I know there's no other communications going out right now, but this still strikes me as little but a distraction.
- Spoiler:
The other thing is that while Leviathan is horrifically deadly, he tends to kill a comparatively "manageable" number of capes compared to his siblings.
- Spoiler:
Seriously surprised they didn't have any extra-sensory cape or a cape flying high as a spotter to watch the fight and direct the crews. Or even just a camera up high of dragon's. Something. They never actually state "Oh, and Endbringers are 100% untrackable, too, even when they're out in the open as opposed to hiding deep under the ocean."
If it was to say how many healers, teleporters, flyers, etc. were still in service, it should have stated something along those lines, I feel. No way even the heroes knew every other hero by name.
And really? While I can believe Behemoth is more deadly than Leviathan since it sounds like it saturates the battlefield with laval like Leviathan saturates it with water, the last one (which I don't remember the name of) sounded much more... complicated. They said it was less about losing the battle and more about losing the war. No idea what that means, but it doesn't give off the impression of a dozen capes bent in two every time Leviathan uses Tail Whip.
Anyway, what was the name of the first hero, again? Scion? What the heck was up with him? He moves so slowly and, apparently, let Leviathan get away when it was clearly on the ropes. Plus he gave that other hero leader a bad look. Am I supposed to believe that makes the hero leader another jerk, or that Scion is the ass?
Last thing: I don't get the impression others seem to have that the heroes are jerks, to be honest. Armsmaster is, sure, and Shadow Striker always was, using deadly weapons and then continuing to do so... but that seems like it's it. Dragon did what she could to help Canary, as little as it might have seemed. Then she did her best just to help her be save in the Birdcage. I definitely got the feeling she didn't intend it to hold capes like Canary.
Miss Militia is just lovely. Her internal dialogue and general demeanor is one of polite obedience to her cause and trust in her teammates, but with an overall desire to better things. She states she fought to have the american flag as part of her costume. I don't think anything she's done so far seemed worthy of any disrespect.
Legend was willing to hear out Tattletale, too. He didn't seem at all unpleasant. The team meeting with the wards way back in an earlier interlude didn't give me the impression that they were jerks. The New Wave people seem like they can sometimes be, holding grudges, but they aren't officially a part of anything and that seems to be a fairly constant problem for the Protectorate who try to work with them due to their being powerhouses. Glory Girl was certainly afraid of getting in trouble for maiming that one skinhead. She made it sound like their entire group is just barely tolerated.
The only jerk-y thing about the heroes is that they allow people like Armsmaster and Shadow Striker within their ranks, but any group that size is gonna have bad eggs.
...but maybe I just haven't read enough, yet.
I'm still wondering when the title drop is going to happen. She's gone by "Bug" and "Skitter", so does she become "Worm" after she, I dunno, joins the heroes? After the Undersiders form a new group? What?
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- As far as I've read (24.3), Taylor have never been referred to as 'Worm', and I'm pretty sure the title doesn't refer to someone's name
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Scienza Sat Oct 11, 2014 4:16 pm
swicked wrote:Scienza wrote:swicked wrote:Ah, nevermind then.
- 8.03:
I know there's no other communications going out right now, but this still strikes me as little but a distraction.
- Spoiler:
The other thing is that while Leviathan is horrifically deadly, he tends to kill a comparatively "manageable" number of capes compared to his siblings.
- Spoiler:
Seriously surprised they didn't have any extra-sensory cape or a cape flying high as a spotter to watch the fight and direct the crews. Or even just a camera up high of dragon's. Something. They never actually state "Oh, and Endbringers are 100% untrackable, too, even when they're out in the open as opposed to hiding deep under the ocean."
If it was to say how many healers, teleporters, flyers, etc. were still in service, it should have stated something along those lines, I feel. No way even the heroes knew every other hero by name.
And really? While I can believe Behemoth is more deadly than Leviathan since it sounds like it saturates the battlefield with laval like Leviathan saturates it with water, the last one (which I don't remember the name of) sounded much more... complicated. They said it was less about losing the battle and more about losing the war. No idea what that means, but it doesn't give off the impression of a dozen capes bent in two every time Leviathan uses Tail Whip.
Anyway, what was the name of the first hero, again? Scion? What the heck was up with him? He moves so slowly and, apparently, let Leviathan get away when it was clearly on the ropes. Plus he gave that other hero leader a bad look. Am I supposed to believe that makes the hero leader another jerk, or that Scion is the ass?
Last thing: I don't get the impression others seem to have that the heroes are jerks, to be honest. Armsmaster is, sure, and Shadow Striker always was, using deadly weapons and then continuing to do so... but that seems like it's it. Dragon did what she could to help Canary, as little as it might have seemed. Then she did her best just to help her be save in the Birdcage. I definitely got the feeling she didn't intend it to hold capes like Canary.
Miss Militia is just lovely. Her internal dialogue and general demeanor is one of polite obedience to her cause and trust in her teammates, but with an overall desire to better things. She states she fought to have the american flag as part of her costume. I don't think anything she's done so far seemed worthy of any disrespect.
Legend was willing to hear out Tattletale, too. He didn't seem at all unpleasant. The team meeting with the wards way back in an earlier interlude didn't give me the impression that they were jerks. The New Wave people seem like they can sometimes be, holding grudges, but they aren't officially a part of anything and that seems to be a fairly constant problem for the Protectorate who try to work with them due to their being powerhouses. Glory Girl was certainly afraid of getting in trouble for maiming that one skinhead. She made it sound like their entire group is just barely tolerated.
The only jerk-y thing about the heroes is that they allow people like Armsmaster and Shadow Striker within their ranks, but any group that size is gonna have bad eggs.
...but maybe I just haven't read enough, yet.
I'm still wondering when the title drop is going to happen. She's gone by "Bug" and "Skitter", so does she become "Worm" after she, I dunno, joins the heroes? After the Undersiders form a new group? What?
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- @Armbands
I think the idea is to give individual capes a degree of self-sufficiency so that all available resources are focused towards fighting the Endbringer, especially since any leaders or administrators might get taken out at any second. The idea being that if you hear someone go down near you, you go help them out or book it. If they're dead, you keep on hitting. It's not perfect, but it gives them a bit more flexibility in case things really go bad. If need be, Legend or one of the others can always just send a message out to everyone not dead.
@Endbringers
Let's just say that Behemoth massively one-ups Leviathan. The Simurgh is weird, since the casualties from her attacks radiate outwards, making them very hard to keep control of. To put things into perspective, 40+ capes died in the Leviathan attack on Brockton Bay and it had one of the lowest casualty numbers of any of the Endbringer attacks.
@Heroes
The thing about the heroes all being jerks is that, as Frost said, they're more of a mixed bag of ideals and personalities. Dragon and Legend are two of the unequivocally nicest characters in the story, while Shadow Stalker is one of the worst. I think the largest difference between the "heroes" and "villains" is that most of the former tends to believe in the sharp dichotomy between the two, while the latter doesn't. Shadow Stalker and Kaiser are both social-Darwinist sociopaths, but the difference is that most heroes will see only the former as "bad" because he's a villain, while most villains will see both as scumbags (or, at the very least, threats) that need to be dealt with. As a result, most of the heroes are often jerks to Skitter because to them she's no different than any of the other monsters roaming around (It is a bit hard to listen objectively to the teenage girl who casually carved a man's eyes out).
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While Wildbow does love to sneak references to the title into every arc, I can confirm that it's not going to be something obvious.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Frost Sat Oct 11, 2014 8:54 pm
Yeah, I'll admit that I generally find the villains of the story more compelling and interesting both personality and power-wise, but I actually like Clockblocker. It's a fairly short list of people with such limited physical prowess willing to take the fight to the enemy. Hell, Kaiser was right there barricading and trapping Leviathan even though, ineffective-against-Endbringers armor aside, he's an ordinary middle-aged man.swicked wrote:
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No special strength or invulnerability, no speed, has to physically touch the monster killing his teammates and elders without even needing to get near them. Honestly, just thinking about what was going through his head when he jumped at that rampaging monster...
What a trooper. That kid is a hero.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Frost Sat Oct 11, 2014 9:14 pm
True enough.
One has to think, actually, of the wisdom of just making the Birdcage a one-way trip. Why not doing something along the vein of a penal legion? An Endbringer comes, and you rustle up some prisoners from the Birdcage, telling them that they have one chance at pardon, one chance of being set free (so long as they stay away from anything as insignificant as a parking ticket in the future)--You fight the Endbringer, and you survive, and you have your second chance.
Guys like Lung, Marquis, Bakuda, and countless others residing in the Birdcage could have proven quite useful in that fight.
One has to think, actually, of the wisdom of just making the Birdcage a one-way trip. Why not doing something along the vein of a penal legion? An Endbringer comes, and you rustle up some prisoners from the Birdcage, telling them that they have one chance at pardon, one chance of being set free (so long as they stay away from anything as insignificant as a parking ticket in the future)--You fight the Endbringer, and you survive, and you have your second chance.
Guys like Lung, Marquis, Bakuda, and countless others residing in the Birdcage could have proven quite useful in that fight.
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Re: Worm Discussion Thread
by Stringtheory Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:51 am
swicked wrote:*snip*
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- First chapter of Arc 10. Or if you want real satisfaction the first interlude of arc 10. She doesn't do it personally, but at the end you might actually feel sorry for Sophia a little bit.
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