Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

[WavemasterRyx]

Maybe...

Thanks for the birthday wishes.  It's been a rough weak. 20 applications, 2 interviews, no job.

And yes, BJ using time travel again and again and again to save the world, yeah.  It'd happen.

I'm very sorry, sir... I really hope things will be okay for you... *hugs very gently*

[SilentCarto]

This theory is strained a bit by the fact that Glory has been off in a lab over the months Blackjack was gone while P-21 continued to work in Chapel...

Well, Glory was at Chapel when Cogjack got there. Granted, Cogs might have phoned ahead, but with Glory's wing restored, there's not much to stop her circling south around the Core and flying across the river to reach the Collegiate. It's a bit of a commute, but she probably doesn't have to do it every day.

Icy raises the point that they already seem like a family, and that's because they are, Rampage and Lacs (though sadly not anymore) included. And that's where I see the story going, not just BJ and her chosen partner(s), but the whole family living together in Star House.

Eh, Rampage might as well be wearing a flashing neon sign that says, "I'm not going to live through the end of the story." If nothing else, a starmetal knife should do the trick.

[Guest]

This theory is strained a bit by the fact that Glory has been off in a lab over the months Blackjack was gone while P-21 continued to work in Chapel...

Well, Glory was at Chapel when Cogjack got there. Granted, Cogs might have phoned ahead, but with Glory's wing restored, there's not much to stop her circling south around the Core and flying across the river to reach the Collegiate. It's a bit of a commute, but she probably doesn't have to do it every day.

Didn't Glory state she had not flown with it yet when BJ spied on her? Also you're assuming Glory was there when Cogs arrived. Cogs could have arrived and was waiting for Glory.

[Shady]

I think the most likely route is the queen. She's more reasonable and can likely manipulate her husband into releasing BJ for some reason or another.
Though yeah, it might take a dual or some other ritualistic junk to get him to relent.

Mmh yeah I won't be surprised if the Queen is an influencing factor in the next chapter.
Perhaps by persuading the King or revealing an secret tunnel or something. There has to be a secret passageway somewhere, it's a castle after all. Or perhaps a quest?

Also, batponies? I'm totally officially plugging the following sentence somewhere in the chapter:

Spoiler:

Also, Somber isn't Patreon maybe something for you?

[Guest]

Also, Somber isn't Patreon maybe something for you?

Fimflam claimed that was more reliable then donations, maybe it is something to look into.

[Rayndalf]

told me that the reason that she had sex with P-21 and Splendid was that she was a lesbian mare in a straight mare's body who was under the influence of hormones and that she would not be having sex with stallions anymore.

I thought Rainbow Dash was bi for Applejack...

[Guest]

Yes, I believe that was the headcanon Scienza submitted.

[Loud_Taffy]

I really hope BJ doesn't die. That would be really sad. It would ruin the whole story for me.

[Silver136]

I dunno. At this point it seems likely that her whole "wasteland over myself" mindset would bring her to do just that if it calls for it.

[Scienza]

told me that the reason that she had sex with P-21 and Splendid was that she was a lesbian mare in a straight mare's body who was under the influence of hormones and that she would not be having sex with stallions anymore.

I thought Rainbow Dash was bi for Applejack...

Because she totally is. At least, in my headcanon.

@BlackjackGoingBust

I'm not sure where the story's going to go. Queen Whiskey isn't suicidal anymore, but her extreme tendencies towards self-sacrifice and martyrdom are still very self-destructive. I think she's more aware of them, especially after fighting Lighthooves, but I don't think she can control them.

[Silver136]

told me that the reason that she had sex with P-21 and Splendid was that she was a lesbian mare in a straight mare's body who was under the influence of hormones and that she would not be having sex with stallions anymore.

I thought Rainbow Dash was bi for Applejack...

Because she totally is. At least, in my headcanon.

@BlackjackGoingBust

I'm not sure where the story's going to go. Queen Whiskey isn't suicidal anymore, but her extreme tendencies towards self-sacrifice and martyrdom are still very self-destructive. I think she's more aware of them, especially after fighting Lighthooves, but I don't think she can control them.

Exactly. I feel like if it came down to save the wasteland a but later and survive, or save it right now but die Blackjack would choose to save it ASAP. Of course it's entirely possible Glory or P-21 may somehow stop or hinder her.

[Vinylshadow]

I'm still trying to wrap my my mind around "Bi for Applejack"

Last time I checked...weren't they both mares?

[Vinylshadow]

True...

Twi had Big Mac
Applejack had Applesnack
Fluttershy had Goldenblood
Rarity had Vanity

Seems like Rainbow Dash and Pinkie Pie are the unknowns here

And as far as I know, only Fluttershy and Twi had children

[Silver136]

Actually, most of Stable 2 had Apple blood in them. Applejack was pregnant when she was locked in.

[Vinylshadow]

Oh yeah

So Pipsqueaks's got Apple Blood, BJ's got some Twi blood...

Wouldn't surprise me if there's fanfics floating around with the great-great-something grandfoals of other Ministry Mares in 'em as well, but taking that as canon would be dubious at best

I know that one version of New Pegas has one of Pinkie's descendants

[Scienza]

I'm still trying to wrap my my mind around "Bi for Applejack"

Last time I checked...weren't they both mares?

All of the mane six were straight. It was said in FoE at some point, I believe, and kkat confirmed it.

In FoE, not necessarily. The only real discussion of Rainbow's sexuality is when AJ tells her that she's straight, which just only reinforces my whole "unrequited love" headcanon. Also wasn't Flarity in the original as well? IIRC, Rarity's last words were something along the lines of "I love you, Fluttershy."

As for Kkat's confirmation, well, headcanons differ. In Scienzaland, Rainbow's love life is a tragedy.

EDIT: On the Flarity, they're not exactly her last words, but they're pretty close.

A tear dripped down one of Rarity’s cheeks.  “I love you, Fluttershy.  And I am not going to let you stay.”  Rarity smiled softly but her voice brooked no argument.  “Now pull yourself up and come with me, or I’ll drag you all the way with my teeth.”

Of course, it might just be platonic love, but that means you aren't thinking like a shipper.

[Rayndalf]

I'm still trying to wrap my my mind around "Bi for Applejack"

Last time I checked...weren't they both mares?

The most probable scenerio that satisfies the word of (our) god that being Rainbow Dash caused Glory to have sex with Splendid, and that (as I am now thoroughly convinced) Rainbow Dash was in love with Applejack. I don't really care what kkat says to the contrary...

[Vinylshadow]

RD may have felt something for AJ, but I'm guessing it was nothing more than a...whatchamacallems...schoolyard crush?

Wouldn't surprise me if that's what made RD throw herself into the Ministry of Awesome

She saw her friend working hard to protect Equestria and drew inspiration from that

AJ would fight on the front lines (figuratively speaking) whereas RD woudl fight behind (enemy) lines

[Scienza]

RD may have felt something for AJ, but I'm guessing it was nothing more than a...whatchamacallems...schoolyard crush?

Wouldn't surprise me if that's what made RD throw herself into the Ministry of Awesome

She saw her friend working hard to protect Equestria and drew inspiration from that

AJ would fight on the front lines (figuratively speaking) whereas RD woudl fight behind (enemy) lines

It's all in your interpretation. I don't expect it to be actually canon (and as far as the thread has shown, it doesn't seem that Somber or Kkat share this opinion), but I feel that it adds an interesting element to Rainbow's character and her self-imposed isolation in the centuries after the war.

Moar AppleDash Speculatin':

[Vinylshadow]

See?

Keeping something open to interpretation is a good thing in a story, it leaves room for other stories to be made

Having a rock-solid steel-clad canon with each and ever detail hammered out isn't any fun, which is why I like the gap between LittlePip entering the SPP and the Afterword

A lot of things can happen in 10 years

Part of me wonders if RD comforted AJ after Applesnack killed Zecora and something happened

Maybe not romantic, but it let them see sides of each other they hadn't before

Maybe RD will visit Stable 2 after everything comes to a close (provided she's not killed off so we have closure to each of the Ministry Mares) and pay her respects to a dear friend

[Scienza]

See?

Keeping something open to interpretation is a good thing in a story, it leaves room for other stories to be made

Having a rock-solid steel-clad canon with each and ever detail hammered out isn't any fun, which is why I like the gap between LittlePip entering the SPP and the Afterword

I never said that my headcanon was absolute canon, just that it's the headcanon that I subscribe to. I find it interesting, but that doesn't mean that it has to be yours.

Part of me wonders if RD comforted AJ after Applesnack killed Zecora and something happened

Maybe not romantic, but it let them see sides of each other they hadn't before

I'm with you in that I think this would be a very interesting possibility. While it would be revealing if it did happen ("See, I told you he was a racist"), it would possibly be more interesting if it didn't happen, and that RD had been maintaining a careful distance either to help her accept that AJ was with Steelhooves or to avoid taking advantage of her friend's relationship troubles.

Maybe RD will visit Stable 2 after everything comes to a close (provided she's not killed off so we have closure to each of the Ministry Mares) and pay her respects to a dear friend

Personally, I think that RD would end up going to all her friend's final resting places at some point, but it would be interesting.

[Vinylshadow]

Yeah, she'd even be able to visit...whatever the name of the place was where the Goddess resided that's bathed in deadly radiationl; she'd be able to get the locations from LittlePip easily enough, since she'd be able to get into the SPP easily enough

Celestia might surprise her though

Speaking of the Goddess...if she can pour feelings into a single Alicorn... (Lacunae)

Couldn't she transfer her mind to an Alicorn and have escaped?

Although I can't see 4 minds inhabiting the body of a single Alicorn easily...

[Silver136]

Remember though, Fluttershy is alive. The FoE afterword said that much.
 
As for the goddess, you have to remember she had all those memories she put into Lacunae drawn back out. She wasn't focused on herself anymore, but rather on her "children." I doubt she would have "sacrificed" one of the alicorns to save herself.

[Scienza]

@RD
She could pretty easily go all over, since she's a ghoul and all. I think the fic mentioned that there were some problems with passing through the SPP shield as a ghoul, but presumably Littlepip could just allow her to enter.

Assuming nothing happens to her, my bittersweet-ending headcanon involves her traveling with Flutters and Spike on this quest.

@Goddess
The problem with the Goddess is that she's not just those four minds. The core part is a warped version of Trixie with the other three acting as cheerleaders, but the most critical aspect of her is the thousands of contingent souls that she absorbed. There isn't really a perfect real-world analogy, but I'd say that the closest to the relationship between the overarching Goddess intelligence and the contingent souls is something in between the hive-mind of an ant colony and how the firing of your neurons creates your conscious awareness. Where it breaks down is that the individual souls have some degree of awareness and independence, but from what I can tell, the Goddess is something that emerges from the group rather than any one particular soul. It's sort of like how Lacunae is very distinct from the kernel soul which formed her (Psalm). So I think cramming the Goddess into a single alicorn would just make said alicorn's head explode.

[neoaustin]

... i love you guys.

[Guest]

Personally, I think that RD would end up going to all her friend's final resting places at some point, but it would be interesting.

Unfortunately Rarity's is a pile of rubble now... Speaking of Rarity Maybe RD will be the one to handle the figurines. She can actually go retrieve Little Pip's if she needs to.

[Evilgidgit]

Personally, I think that RD would end up going to all her friend's final resting places at some point, but it would be interesting.

Unfortunately Rarity's is a pile of rubble now... Speaking of Rarity Maybe RD will be the one to handle the figurines. She can actually go retrieve Little Pip's if she needs to.

Well Fluttershy is still alive. Twilight doesn't even have a body. Rarity's is tragically buried under a mountain worth of rubble. Applejack's is presumably still in Stable 2 unless they removed the bones and moved them to Junction Town. And Pinkie's is still in her office.

That was one of the few things that bugged me about F.E., Littlepip not taking the time to bury Pinkie's corpse. I only got the satisfaction in F.E. Starlight where Radiant Star found it and buried it outside. But that can't really fit into my own headcanon due to conflicting plot points with PH (i.e. Discord).

[Scienza]

I can't remember, did she know whether it was Pinkie's corpse when she found it? Or was it an orb that she found later?

[Vinylshadow]

I have Starlight, but I have yet to actually read it

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I landed on a pile of scree and loose rocks.  The illumination provided by my horn revealed a few dozen feet of broken, shadowy landscape.  There was no moon or sun to light the world.  Only the outlines of a ghostly building amidst spectral trees.  I reached out and felt the bark.  It didn’t feel like a tree.  It was... firm.  Neither warm nor cool, neither wet nor dry.  I moved slowly through the grove, the rocks not shifting under my hooves.  It was utterly bizarre trying to walk over the uneven surface.  I couldn’t move so much as a twig or pebble in this shadowy world.

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I landed on a pile of scree and loose rocks.  The light provided by my horn revealed a few dozen feet of broken, shadowy landscape.  There was no moon or sun to light the world, but a faint twilight glow provided just enough illumination to make the darkness of the land vaguely perceptible.  Near me were the outlines of a ghostly building amidst spectral trees.  I reached out and felt the bark.  It didn’t feel like a tree.  It was... firm.  Neither warm nor cool, neither wet nor dry.  I moved slowly through the grove, the rocks not shifting under my hooves.  It was utterly bizarre trying to walk over the uneven surface.  I couldn’t move so much as a twig or pebble in this shadowy world.

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