Re: [Official!] Project Horizons Comment Crew Chat thread.

[Ironmonger]

Random conversation.

Spoiler:

[Sindri]

Music game! I have an idea for where this song would fit myself, but lets see what other people think.

Brings to mind an alternate universe in which P-21 vengeance-slaughters Sanguine after Priest's end.

Okay, I got a music piece for you...

[Kippershy]

I know its very conceited of me, but to me, that song screams:

Spoiler:

edit: @ deadmans gun, I mean

[Kippershy]

I can see this song fitting the final (physical) battle in Project Horizons.
MAYBE against the eater even, but we'll have to see how that one is handled.

[Ironmonger]

[Valikdu]

Mom:"Are they hawks or are they badgers?"

That gives me an idea for my mod!...

I can see this song fitting the final (physical) battle in Project Horizons.
MAYBE against the eater even, but we'll have to see how that one is handled.

Oh hey, the only really cool thing about FFX!
*headbang*

[StoneSlinger88]

This old ballad has recently started reminding me of PH, mostly of the journey Blackjack's taken throughout the Hoof.

Spoiler:

[RoboRed]

banana sthicker:

[Kippershy]

Mom:"Are they hawks or are they badgers?"

That gives me an idea for my mod!...

I can see this song fitting the final (physical) battle in Project Horizons.
MAYBE against the eater even, but we'll have to see how that one is handled.

Oh hey, the only really cool thing about FFX!
*headbang*

You're forgetting this:

[Kippershy]

Oh hey, the only really cool thing about FFX!

I liked FFX. It's one of the only two FFs I've ever even managed to complete.
The other being the old one with fighter, blackbelt, redmage, etc...

And pretty much all the music was awesome, too

Final Fantasy 3? I might be wrong though.

Also, I completed 3, 10 and 12. I've also played 10-2 and 13.
I've watched 7 be played and think its the most overrated game in the history of games (even more than the halo or COD series).
I got tired of 13 once I got to the plains of the lowerworld. I wanted freedom, yes, but I didn't want to be forced to grind over and over and over and over.
Wasn't as bad in the other games, IMO. Especially not as bad as 12. 12 had the best system for auto-grinding if you didn't want to dedicate your time to it.

[Harmony Ltd.]

I got tired of 13 once I got to the plains of the lowerworld. I wanted freedom, yes, but I didn't want to be forced to grind over and over and over and over.

This a thousand time.

A few hours before you were literally punching gods in the face on Cocoon, and once in the plains of Pulse, you get anally raped by the local equivalent of sewer rats.

I know the japanese audience, and particularly Final Fantasy fans, make western "hardcore gamers" look like pansies, but really ? Does it seem like a sensible game design choice to make the lowerworld's enemies so overpowered ?

Ah, yeah, I should precise : you didn't loose any power between the Cocoon part and the Pulse part - in fact, you even gained some. The local critters are just THAT overpowered.


Anyone played FFXIII-2 ? Is it any less bullshit ?

[Kippershy]

I got tired of 13 once I got to the plains of the lowerworld. I wanted freedom, yes, but I didn't want to be forced to grind over and over and over and over.

This a thousand time.

A few hours before you were literally punching gods in the face on Cocoon, and once in the plains of Pulse, you get anally raped by the local equivalent of sewer rats.

I know the japanese audience, and particularly Final Fantasy fans, make western "hardcore gamers" look like pansies, but really ? Does it seem like a sensible game design choice to make the lowerworld's enemies so overpowered ?

Ah, yeah, I should precise : you didn't loose any power between the Cocoon part and the Pulse part - in fact, you even gained some. The local critters are just THAT overpowered.


Anyone played FFXIII-2 ? Is it any less bullshit ?

Glad its not just me.
I could take out the wolves easy peasy because I'd already drugged through fucking god knows how much bullshit to upgrade my weapons as efficiently as possible and get my CP up, but that doesn't excuse shit when it comes to getting to the plains, fighting a king behemoth, almost having won and then it decides "NO FUCK YOU!" and stands up before pulling out a sword and regaining all its health and upping its strength.

Not to mention that a pack of the tiger things or whatever, been too long to remember, will fuck you up if you don't run away from them.


And then there's the tortoises... fuck those cunts.

[Harmony Ltd.]

Another thing that annoyed me to no end in FF13, is that the gameplay was almost purely limited to the combats only. And the level design was barely above "on-rail" status in term of linearity and openess.

It wouldn't have been so bad,

IF THE COMBAT SYSTEM WASN'T SO FUCKING BORING AND REPETITIVE


If I want my game to be combat-focused, I'll be playing, oh, I dunno.. Bayonetta ? Devil May Cry ? Not fucking Final Fantasy. It's supposed to be an RPG, not a goddamn press-A-to-win snorefest.

[Harmony Ltd.]

Also, the characters were at the same time stereotypical AND empty.

I think I have never less empathized with any videogame character, ever.

All I could hear during the cutscenes was "wah wah angst angst duty sacrifice angst angst destiny freedom wah wah".

Fuck that shit.

[Kippershy]

Also, the characters were at the same time stereotypical AND empty.

I think I have never less empathized with any videogame character, ever.

All I could hear during the cutscenes was "wah wah angst angst duty sacrifice angst angst destiny freedom wah wah".

Fuck that shit.

*looks around*
where are we again?





Back to topic though, I definitely agree with you. People said the story was OH SO DEEP.
No. No it wasn't.
The linear gameplay was tiresome as fuck, the level design did it no favours at all. "Oh, but FF has always been linear to some extent!"
To some extent, yes. Not to the point where you have no room to walk anywhere else but your objective with only 10 meters from each side, in most cases.
So many hallways, be they 'natural' or building/construct.

The characters never really got any real development either, like you say.
Angst = development? Not really.
Angst = angst.

I hated the kid, a lot more than I hated Vaan for example.

[Harmony Ltd.]

*looks around*
where are we again?

I know, I know... I was almost tempted to make a reference to BlackJack there, but I was 50% sure someone was going to take it the wrong way.

[Harmony Ltd.]

I hated the kid burned with the constant need to bitchslap every single one of the characters

FTFY

[Kippershy]

And here I was thinking you'd get mad at me because what I've said in the PH thread and such.
I've already upset Waves by doing it.

Anyway, video related https://youtu.be/gawughIGjK0?t=2m21s

[Harmony Ltd.]

Well, I think BJ and what passes as "characters" in FF13 are comparable, but only in the sense that the former's angst is legitimate character development, while the later only feel like empty puppets acting solely by act of plot.

[OneMoreDaySK]

Huh, question. What would happen if Blackjack encountered a conniving antagonist, with the attitude of Starscream, for example? Had Lacunae not done anything, how would Blackjack handle such a foe?

[RoboRed]

ironlulz:

[Harmony Ltd.]

My god the comments :

http://derpiboo.ru/275302

[RoboRed]

...My feelings are now a mix between saddened and d'awwwed.

[Harmony Ltd.]

http://derpiboo.ru/275295

I agree with the comment that this should be a mod. Just to be able to say that you can have Pinkie's floating head as a companion.

[Ironmonger]

I shall feel no feel, for my mind is full of wat!

[Harmony Ltd.]

Such is the fate of the weak.

[Ironmonger]

It is a good pain...

[Harmony Ltd.]

Iron's new av' :



I command it.

[Ironmonger]

I like my mask better.

However that image does give me character ideas.
>maniacal cackling

[Frost]

Iron's new av' :



I command it.

Speaking as someone who knows Iron very well, that fits perfectly in ways you don't even know.

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