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Post by Frost Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:45 pm

how do you all feel about crossovers (not fusion crossovers like FoE, but "transplanted character" crossovers, wherein a character or characters of one franchise end up in anohter)?

because I just had a little idea wherein Twilight and Rainbow get accidentally transported to the world of Hellsing Ultimate (specifically, the TFS Abridged version of Hellsing Ultimate)
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Post by OneMoreDaySK Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:46 pm

Putting the XCOM team aside for a bit, since College and stuff keeps getting in the way. But might be planning to play FTL. Anyone want to be in the crew? And what would you specialize in?
We've got:
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<li>Piloting</li>
<li>Shields</li>
<li>Engine</li>
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<li>Fighting?</li>
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Post by Stringtheory Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:00 pm

Mister Frost wrote:how do you all feel about crossovers (not fusion crossovers like FoE, but "transplanted character" crossovers, wherein a character or characters of one franchise end up in anohter)?

because I just had a little idea wherein Twilight and Rainbow get accidentally transported to the world of Hellsing Ultimate (specifically, the TFS Abridged version of Hellsing Ultimate)
personally I'm not a huge fan of the genre, much preferring fusion crossovers, also not knowing any of the crossed over universes doesn't help, so the only one's which I read are 40k ones,
but a reverse one...usually someone from the non-mlp universe comes to Equestria, so that's kinda original

as for general fandom reaction to them, generally there's at least one "Master Chief goes to Equestria" stories in the FiMfiction feature box at any one time, so those of us who consider ourselves fan-fiction connoisseurs consider them to be on the same level as all the shipping (usually clop) stories that always seem to reach the feature box, appealing to the lowest common denominator, thereby lacking in much literary merit, but the masses always seem to lap them up
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Post by Frost Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:25 pm

stringtheory wrote:
Mister Frost wrote:how do you all feel about crossovers (not fusion crossovers like FoE, but "transplanted character" crossovers, wherein a character or characters of one franchise end up in another)?

because I just had a little idea wherein Twilight and Rainbow get accidentally transported to the world of Hellsing Ultimate (specifically, the TFS Abridged version of Hellsing Ultimate)
personally I'm not a huge fan of the genre, much preferring fusion crossovers, also not knowing any of the crossed over universes doesn't help, so the only one's which I read are 40k ones,
but a reverse one...usually someone from the non-mlp universe comes to Equestria, so that's kinda original

as for general fandom reaction to them, generally there's at least one "Master Chief goes to Equestria" stories in the FiMfiction feature box at any one time, so those of us who consider ourselves fan-fiction connoisseurs consider them to be on the same level as all the shipping (usually clop) stories that always seem to reach the feature box, appealing to the lowest common denominator, thereby lacking in much literary merit, but the masses always seem to lap them up

I think it's a bit overdone wherein a different character goes to Equestria, and woefully underdone wherein an Equestrian goes to a different world. To be honest, I'm not sure how most bronies would react to any interaction between Abridged Alucard and ponies. Ponies are peaceful, simple folk and Alucard is...... Alucard. If you've seen the videos, that's enough to frighten you deeply. The first can be viewed here:



And the others will likely be in the reccommended videos of that one. Be ye forewarned: extreme gore, swearing, and, in the sequels, mass murder and graphic discriptions of one character's plan to brutally rape, murder, and then rape again another character follow. All of it played for laughs.
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Post by IncoherentOrange Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:35 pm

Shipping, Halo, HMiE (human military in Equestria), anything by Blueshift, SS&E, etc. no matter what... and spaceships, apparently.

FiMFic seems to dig that stuff.
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Post by Stringtheory Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:39 pm

IncoherentOrange wrote:SS&E
to be fair, SS&E is an awesome author, bit on the wordy side, but the Purple Prose is what makes him awesome
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Post by IncoherentOrange Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:43 pm

I never said that he wasn't, it's just that authors like him don't really have to try anymore--their skill is always noticed, without fail, by hundreds. But that's not to say that they don't, though, they deserve it. I mean, Blueshift's XCOM crossover, which looks pants-on-head stupid, to me at least, (though, to be fair, I'm not one for comedy) got featured instantly.

Geez, man, I was just writing! Are you trying to delay me with this linking?! Whew, at least I didn't click it.
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Post by Frost Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:09 pm

I've not really seen many HMiE that you mentioned. Well, I've not seen them done well. You always seem to end up with some bitter, traumatised soldier who thinks that War is Helltm and that ponies are special and perfect and never ever fight. This despite that just about all Western militaries (it's always a Western soldier) are all-volunteer, highly-trained and supplied with therapists and councilling to avoid PTSD and such conditions, and that in-show we frequently see ponies fighting and engaging in cruel and often violent acts, even in a "peaceful" town like Ponyville or a "national jewel" like Canterlot.
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Post by O. Hinds Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:25 pm

OneMoreDaySK wrote:Putting the XCOM team aside for a bit, since College and stuff keeps getting in the way. But might be planning to play FTL. Anyone want to be in the crew? And what would you specialize in?
We've got:
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<li>Shields</li>
<li>Engine</li>
<li>Ship Weapons</li>
<li>Repair?</li>
<li>Fighting?</li>
</ul>
Eh, you may put me down for engine if you feel like it.
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Post by Stringtheory Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:34 pm

IncoherentOrange wrote:I never said that he wasn't, it's just that authors like him don't really have to try anymore--their skill is always noticed, without fail, by hundreds. But that's not to say that they don't, though, they deserve it. I mean, Blueshift's XCOM crossover, which looks pants-on-head stupid, to me at least, (though, to be fair, I'm not one for comedy) got featured instantly.
well, that's complaining that they're popular, so they're terrible, well at least FiMfiction stops putting an author's work in the featured box once they're over 1,000 watchers, to make it kinda more fair...
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Post by Ironmonger Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:39 pm

I noticed I got an upvote due to my crack about Orks and British people. Anyone and everyone feel free to make jokes about Natives and Germans, I don't mind. hehehe

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Post by Frost Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:42 pm

Ironmonger wrote:I noticed I got an upvote due to my crack about Orks and British people. Anyone and everyone feel free to make jokes about Natives and Germans, I don't mind. hehehe

You're a Native, so you must be German.

Did I do it right?
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Post by Ironmonger Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:45 pm

Hehehe, Native Americans/Naive Americans... *puts face in hand and chuckles*

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Post by IncoherentOrange Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:47 pm

stringtheory wrote:
well, that's complaining that they're popular, so they're terrible.

Hell no, that's not what I mean at all. They're very much meritable authors, a far sight better at what they do than I am. I should've worded it differently. By 'I mean' I should have put, 'For example'.
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Post by OneMoreDaySK Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:48 pm

O. Hinds wrote:
OneMoreDaySK wrote:Putting the XCOM team aside for a bit, since College and stuff keeps getting in the way. But might be planning to play FTL. Anyone want to be in the crew? And what would you specialize in?
We've got:
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<li>Piloting</li>
<li>Shields</li>
<li>Engine</li>
<li>Ship Weapons</li>
<li>Repair?</li>
<li>Fighting?</li>
</ul>
Eh, you may put me down for engine if you feel like it.

Hinds, are you psychic? I just said screw it, made Somber pilot, you engie and Swicked for weapons. Then I found out you can't change the names of new crew later. T.T
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Post by Caoimhe Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:49 pm

Human anything in Equestria sounds terrible to me. Same with crossovers like you're all talking about. Themes are what's important, not just characters.
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Post by Ironmonger Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:50 pm

OneMoreDaySK wrote:
Swicked for weapons.

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Post by Frost Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:54 pm

Caoimhe wrote:Human anything in Equestria sounds terrible to me. Same with crossovers like you're all talking about. Themes are what's important, not just characters.

It's interesting to contrast human cultures, which vary from decadent (high society) to ruthlessly pragmatic (military) to everywhere in between, with Equestrian culture, which appearsto be much simpler and "closer to Earth", though many authors forget the established, elitist nobility, absolute autocratic government, and frequent monster attacks.

a similar effect is found in crossovers, as it can be fun to see how our favorite characters from different franchises interact. It's more for comedy/badass points rather than a dramatic or heavy theme. more light-hearted fare, really. Most fanfic tends to be, though there are exceptions.
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Post by Stringtheory Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:00 pm

Caoimhe wrote:Themes are what's important, not just characters.
yeah, if you can summarize a story/world without mentioning any of the characters in it, then it's in a whole different league by my standards
the stories I can do this for are A Song of Ice and Fire, 40k, fallout, FO:E (by extension), maybe MLP, and possibly a few fan-fics
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Post by Caoimhe Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:04 pm

That's how I coaxed my brother into reading FoE, actually.

I believe my scope was too large, though. I can see short one off fics regarding crossover characters but any large amount of effort spent developing such a thing seems like a waste of talent.

FiM alone has so many options for fics. I for one wanna see more stuff along the lines of "Applebloom and Scootaloo See an R Rated Movie" or whatever it was called. That fic was fantastic and used the characters well. It could very well have been a show episode! Ending reveal was kinda rolleyes and unnecessary though.
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Post by IncoherentOrange Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:09 pm

'Humans in Equestria' usually implies a set of themes, which often vary but also often overlap, with few outliers, so you can often generalize the type by saying just that.

Most of them suck eggs, and their tendency to be nearly the same as one another is a major reason for that.
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Post by Ketchup Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:09 pm

I've thought of a few many ways to introduce FO:E to my elder sister, but I've never worked up the courage to bring it up.
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Post by IncoherentOrange Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:12 pm

Dude, she's never, ever played or expressed interest in playing Fallout.

Speaking of, I've thought up many responses to my parents learning that I write fanfiction, or bringing it up on my own. I've never used any of it.
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Post by Ketchup Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:14 pm

IncoherentOrange wrote:Dude, she's never, ever played or expressed interest in playing Fallout.
So? It's a good story and she has expressed interest in similarly-themed literature.
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Post by Stringtheory Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:18 pm

IncoherentOrange wrote:Speaking of, I've thought up many responses to my parents learning that I write fanfiction, or bringing it up on my own. I've never used any of it.
just use "at least it keeps me from doing/spending time on actually bad stuff", that seems to work at least on my parents sometimes
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Post by Frost Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:20 pm

My parents are the old-style conservative type. My dad walked in on me while I was writing and I got a nice little chew-out because the fic included BAD WORDS
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Post by Stringtheory Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:22 pm

Mister Frost wrote:My parents are the old-style conservative type. My dad walked in on me while I was writing and I got a nice little chew-out because the fic included BAD WORDS
but did he actually punish you?
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Post by Kippershy Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:23 pm

With me, this is how it went:


Mum: So, you like ponies?
Me: Yup.
Mum: -looks at pony items around my room- (she was visiting) Huh. Okay.
Me: Yup.


My dad:

Dad: So uh... this... thing...
Me: The ponies?
Dad: Yeah...
Me: I enjoy them. Something nice and happy to enjoy. Better that than drugs, right?
Dad: ...I suppose. Okay.



When they learned about me doing the fanfiction, they were all for it and occasionally ask how I've been doing, if I have any plans to publish and if I have plans to go do it proper as something that can earn money rather than for fun.
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Post by Kippershy Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:26 pm

Mister Frost wrote:My parents are the old-style conservative type. My dad walked in on me while I was writing and I got a nice little chew-out because the fic included BAD WORDS

My fic, at one point, involves a child getting raped by a ghoul before dying - and then having another seven children dying too.
Pretty much all the people I speak to at work know of this because someone skimmed through my stuff or something and saw it.
The reaction is always "YOU PUT PONY CHILD RAPE BY ZOMBIES INTO YOUR FIC!"

I just shrug.
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Post by Frost Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:27 pm

stringtheory wrote:
Mister Frost wrote:My parents are the old-style conservative type. My dad walked in on me while I was writing and I got a nice little chew-out because the fic included BAD WORDS
but did he actually punish you?

nah, just pulled the "disappointed in you" crap. I think my situation is helped because A.) I rarely fuck up and B.) My brother can be counted on to fuck up worse.
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