Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

[RoboRed]

Ladies and gentlemen...

someone went and made art of "it".:

Linky

[Kippershy]

Ladies and gentlemen...

someone went and made art of "it".:

Linky

This is amazing.

[RoboRed]

Ehhh....it needs to be about 20% more kinky.

[Guest]

Ladies and gentlemen...

someone went and made art of "it".:

Linky

I loves it! Awesome find Robo!

[Nightfire]

Ehhh....it needs to be about 20% more kinky.

I CAN HELP WITH THAT, get a whip, ball gag, some hair tied in bundle with rubber band, get A LOT of lube, three pickles they have to be in small pieces, male enhancement smashed and added into with some jack daniels (not kinky however helps XD), at least 2 empty bottles annnnndddddd leather

[Katarn]

I absolutely love that art. It's almost how I image that.

[Downloaded Skill]

I never thought that scene could be rendered in a way where its more cute then kinky,but here it is. That, and someone actually drew Blackjack with a tiny compact horn.

[Cptadder]

Or to guard a refinery, or maintain a supply depot, or whatever. Occupying a city is generally a means to the end of acquiring control of a strategic resource.

To be exact you need to occupy a city to prevent that city's inhabitants from messing up your efforts to acquire a strategic resource. We don't typically built cities atop strategic or natural resources because most of the modern ones (Coal, Oil, Natural Gas, Nuclear products) tend to be very nasty to acquire. But you want a city under your control (And a tank can't do pacification duties well but a Russian Terminator BMP variant can) to prevent them from doing things like running off and blowing up your pipelines.

Now for part sixteen in our long running drama, Getting inside O.Hinds head......canon.

Wow, sixteen?

#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement

I do seem to recall them doing some similar stuff, yes. And, yes, it probably is possible for nonphysical exhaustion to be involved here.

They were pulling crazy stuns that involved more than simply flying around very fast, I assume Pegasuses magic. No more limitless than Unicorn magic.

Yes, we have rather switched places on this; now you're proposing ways to make the plane exist while I'm giving reasons why it wouldn't.

I just don't know anymore

Also, in case this wasn't clear, I'm considering the plane's propellors to be integral parts of the rainboom system; the system actually generates six small rainbooms, one for each blade, and then captures the energy just long enough to blend them together and turn them into a single rainboom for the plane itself. That's how the plane can rainboom without the plane's airspeed passing Mach 1. I'm not sure how the towers work, but I'm assuming that they use something similar. Though perhaps they use a medium with a lower density so that they can run the rotors at lower speeds.

Hmm so some kind of giant mechanical turbine blade setup for the towers which rotate in place to achieve the desired speed then bam Rainboom? Meanwhile the SS is using the existing motion to achieve the required speed then what over-revving whenever a Rainboom is required? Or is it just a simple the plane is flying the unicorn hits a switch and bam rainboom.

…Um, it seems to me that you've here if anything strengthened the argument against the plane entering development. If, in addition to the plane likely worsening their situation in the war by existing, a hint of the plane being developed would lead to increased attacks… (Mind you, it might not actually have, if only because Equestria was already doing every non-megaspell thing it could to shut down Profectum, but still.)

Your missing my point, knowing the Zebras are working on a new something at X location is enough justification to blow it up. In modern war the number of weapons often is less than the number of targets. Why bomb a factory that makes the road ties for railroads when you can bomb the factory that makes train engines. One (The engines) are much harder to build requiring equivalently smarter and better trained workers and more specialized equipment which is harder to replace. The Equestiran Army could sit completly ignorate of what a game changer the SS and yet still seek to disrupt it. It could be happy accident with completely bad intel leading the commanders into nameless factory 16 instead of nameless factory 14 which was supposed to contain a new type of battle robot but hey long as you here you need to destroy what you can.

I understand your proposal about the lead designer, but I don't think that the designer would get funding for the project.

Simple past success, Zesserschmitt could have built the first functional plane design that was not utter shit against massed wings of battle armor equipped Pegasuses even if it was not 1 for 1 it represented a huge step forward. With such a mark in his favor that gets him lot of leeway in the future. Or Zesserschmitt could have simply known the right zebras to pull on to get funding together to put something together to impress the Caesar. Or it could be a situation like the first civil war ironclads which were literally built with the designers own money on the condition if they were as effective as he said they were then the Navy would buy them from him.

There are literally two dozen real life examples of a screwy project getting made or some crazy science experiment getting authorized.

Like for example this one
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/prmx0lYBTko" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
War budgets are a great thing and design budgets are the most opaque by design so the enemy can't know what your doing. This causes all sorts of odd things to get approved because sometimes the thing in question is just acting as a cover for a much larger more secret project. Something like the SS

(My explanation, by the way, for why airplanes weren't mentioned there is that airplanes were still somewhat looked down on by Equestria; griffin mercs could take on pegasi 1 to 1, after all, while Zebra fighter planes still needed swarming tactics. Planes also need runways, have more supply requirements, etc.)

Planes are also horribly vulnerable on take off and landing and require their own special fuel source (coal derived fuel) which requires transportation of it's own that needs to be defended.

Ladies and gentlemen...

someone went and made art of "it".:

Linky

Even if that's old Glory instead of new Dash flavored Glory that's kind of adorable.

[RoboRed]

I loves it! Awesome find Robo!

I'm surprised I found it so soon. I found it on DA while looking for possible fanart for Austraeoh, was using Mech's page as a quick link, saw it in his favorites box. Timestamp said it'd been online for about 18 hours.

I CAN HELP WITH THAT, get a whip, ball gag, some hair tied in bundle with rubber band, get A LOT of lube, three pickles they have to be in small pieces, male enhancement smashed and added into with some jack daniels (not kinky however helps XD), at least 2 empty bottles annnnndddddd leather

That was all good up until the point with the pickles and some of the stuff after that. Then it just got 300% weirder. *shurgs*...But one man's confusion is another man's fetish, I guess.

[Stringtheory]

anyone have any ideas for a steam event? I posted a thread in the steam group for people to post ideas, plus we could use more officers, right now it's just me and the Admiral

[RoboRed]

Ladies and gentlemen...

someone went and made art of "it".:

Linky

Even if that's old Glory instead of new Dash flavored Glory that's kind of adorable.

Fucking hell...I should just slap myself for completely overlooking that...

[Kattlarv]

Right, somewhat random, haven't been able to check the forum, so it might say something there but: The link from Equestria daily (granted, is it the "comment thread 3") doesn't go anywhere currently, just says people are not allowed to access it. Really minor thing, but just putting it out there.

Off to chapter reading! Lets see if stuff can work decently, got low expectations, but hoping for the best.

Spoiler:

Also, I lost the post, but what add-ons were recommended for NV? (Can't play Fo3, just keeps crashing)
Oh, and on a side note: I finally got around to looking up on equine anatomy. Noticed they have about all labia internally, will have to re-work my fics a bit later heh. The new ones only I mean.
Well, expect me to reply to all the comments tomorrow or something like that. Gonna go lie down for a while.

[RoboRed]

Spelling mistake? "And then, there was a trill" What is a trill?

A trill is a shrill, whistling, sometimes sort of warbling noise.

[O. Hinds]

I do seem to recall them doing some similar stuff, yes. And, yes, it probably is possible for nonphysical exhaustion to be involved here.

They were pulling crazy stuns that involved more than simply flying around very fast, I assume Pegasuses magic. No more limitless than Unicorn magic.

That does appear to be the case.

Yes, we have rather switched places on this; now you're proposing ways to make the plane exist while I'm giving reasons why it wouldn't.

I just don't know anymore

Reading this post... Well, I suppose that one way of looking at it is that we both ought to be congratulated for arguing our original points so successfully?

Also, in case this wasn't clear, I'm considering the plane's propellors to be integral parts of the rainboom system; the system actually generates six small rainbooms, one for each blade, and then captures the energy just long enough to blend them together and turn them into a single rainboom for the plane itself. That's how the plane can rainboom without the plane's airspeed passing Mach 1. I'm not sure how the towers work, but I'm assuming that they use something similar. Though perhaps they use a medium with a lower density so that they can run the rotors at lower speeds.

Hmm so some kind of giant mechanical turbine blade setup for the towers which rotate in place to achieve the desired speed then bam Rainboom? Meanwhile the SS is using the existing motion to achieve the required speed then what over-revving whenever a Rainboom is required? Or is it just a simple the plane is flying the unicorn hits a switch and bam rainboom.

We seem to be a bit confused again. I've been assuming that at least a particular part of the generator has to passing through the medium at at least the speed of sound in the medium. In a stationary design, that would one or more rotors, possibly in a tank willed with a material featuring a slower speed of sound. In the SS, the supersonic propellors are used (the plane's airspeed is still less than the speed of sound, however, as the airframe and engines are not actually designed to go supersonic in conventional flight).

…Um, it seems to me that you've here if anything strengthened the argument against the plane entering development. If, in addition to the plane likely worsening their situation in the war by existing, a hint of the plane being developed would lead to increased attacks… (Mind you, it might not actually have, if only because Equestria was already doing every non-megaspell thing it could to shut down Profectum, but still.)

Your missing my point, knowing the Zebras are working on a new something at X location is enough justification to blow it up. In modern war the number of weapons often is less than the number of targets. Why bomb a factory that makes the road ties for railroads when you can bomb the factory that makes train engines. One (The engines) are much harder to build requiring equivalently smarter and better trained workers and more specialized equipment which is harder to replace. The Equestiran Army could sit completly ignorate of what a game changer the SS and yet still seek to disrupt it. It could be happy accident with completely bad intel leading the commanders into nameless factory 16 instead of nameless factory 14 which was supposed to contain a new type of battle robot but hey long as you here you need to destroy what you can.

...So, you're saying that, while they'd try to disrupt it if they knew what it was, they'd also try to disrupt it if they didn't know what it was, and as they'd try to disrupt any Zebra wartime production/R&D? I'm not sure what point you're trying to make by stating that.

I understand your proposal about the lead designer, but I don't think that the designer would get funding for the project.

Simple past success, Zesserschmitt could have built the first functional plane design that was not utter shit against massed wings of battle armor equipped Pegasuses even if it was not 1 for 1 it represented a huge step forward. With such a mark in his favor that gets him lot of leeway in the future. Or Zesserschmitt could have simply known the right zebras to pull on to get funding together to put something together to impress the Caesar. Or it could be a situation like the first civil war ironclads which were literally built with the designers own money on the condition if they were as effective as he said they were then the Navy would buy them from him.

There are literally two dozen real life examples of a screwy project getting made or some crazy science experiment getting authorized.

Like for example this one
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/prmx0lYBTko" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
War budgets are a great thing and design budgets are the most opaque by design so the enemy can't know what your doing. This causes all sorts of odd things to get approved because sometimes the thing in question is just acting as a cover for a much larger more secret project. Something like the SS

...Huh. That video is certainly a thing. I wonder why the project to teach dolphins to talk by masturbating them got its funding cut? That seems very useful and perfectly sane.

Anyway. Again, deploying the SS would likely be on the whole significantly detrimental to the Zebra war effort (due to inspiring Equestria to invest in point defense and the fact that they'd probably quickly realize "Hm, you know, if we let this fire at longer ranges, we can pretty much kill anything flying on the same side of the horizon as the ship." After that, the Zebras could say goodbye to any hope of maintaining control of the skies.), and, given the cost of the plane, it's unlikely that it would be built without the intention of using it. I suppose that it could be made to work if the cost wasn't understood, but given the whole "the absolutely crucial parts of the thing can't be made without materials we've almost none of" thing, I don't see how mistakes or concealment could lead to that.

(My explanation, by the way, for why airplanes weren't mentioned there is that airplanes were still somewhat looked down on by Equestria; griffin mercs could take on pegasi 1 to 1, after all, while Zebra fighter planes still needed swarming tactics. Planes also need runways, have more supply requirements, etc.)

Planes are also horribly vulnerable on take off and landing and require their own special fuel source (coal derived fuel) which requires transportation of it's own that needs to be defended.

I was folding the fuel thing into "more supply requirements." But the takeoff and landing thing, yeah, and, of course, when they're on the ground just parked...

[O. Hinds]

huffed softy

Ah, thank you.

[WovenTales]

I was thinking that the Hoof was to the westish of Littlepip's run? I'd rather go on the other side, and I was hoping that that would be to the east. That's closer to where I grew up, and I'd like to set my fic in the Appleachians.

You're in luck! By PH canon, Hoofington is northeast of Canterlot. (I say 'by PH canon' because it doesn't actually fit anywhere in the FOE canon map [here]... a symptom of starting PH before Kkat finished her fic.)

Also, and just to figure out how much I should imply in the first chapter, Silver Bell's farm wasn't the same as Pinkie's rock farm, right?

No, it's not. Pinkie's rock farm was probably in or near the Splendid Valley/Rambling Rock Ridge area. Silver Bell's farm is hard against the Canterlot mountain range.

I'm thinking about writing my own Fo:E sidefic, and I wanted to make sure that I'm not going to be getting any of the minutiae obviously wrong. Most important of the problematic minor details: I was thinking that the Hoof was to the westish of Littlepip's run? I'd rather go on the other side, and I was hoping that that would be to the east. That's closer to where I grew up, and I'd like to set my fic in the Appleachians. Also, and just to figure out how much I should imply in the first chapter, Silver Bell's farm wasn't the same as Pinkie's rock farm, right?

Hoofington is pretty clearly stated to be to the east, actually, and the best information we have on the farm issue is evidence for it being Pinkie's. Though... closer to where you grew up? What? And my map, at least... hm... well, actually, I never named the mountain range the Highlanders live in, and they might be considered separate... I suppose that you could use that. Highlander culture is rather southern Appalachian already, I think (I might be wrong, though). A minor warning, though: it's possible that the Highlanders might consider the name "Appleachians" to be an Equestrian imposition. (My map may put a national border between the two areas... but my expanded version also puts the meridian through Roam. Not that it's actually a Zebra map, but there are some reasonably clear leanings.)

So it sounds like I might even be able to have Littlepip to the west and Blackjack to the north. I'm not sure how much I'll actually use them, but that should be fun. And I think I'll use SilentCarto's theory on the location of the farms; it's far from important as they leave in the (planned) first chapter, but I like the idea of starting at Pinkie's childhood home. And I never actually considered using the Highlanders, but that might be a nice way to fill out the area. It was feeling a bit sparse. As for "closer to where I grew up," I lived in southern Ohio for quite a while (@Ironmonger and anyone else who may know the area: fifteenish minutes east of Mount Orab), but have since moved to Oregon. Going by how Equestria seems to reflect the US, I was hoping to draw some knowledge from the area around where I used to live, though that was admittedly just outside the foothills; the actual range was quite a distance away.

Edit: And completely unrelated, but does anyone remember when 33 came out? I remember that I started reading PH some time around then, and while saying that that chapter was the first one that actually made me wait after finishing is certainly dramatic/poetic/it's too late, I'm not sure it would be quite accurate. I am glad that I got here before Volume 3 was released, though.

"Black" was posted shortly after midnight on January 22, 2012, per this post.

It sounds like I did start a couple chapters before Black. It was still quite the read. Thanks!

Like for example this one
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/prmx0lYBTko" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Should have used a female dolphin. Might be just as interested, but would probably be slightly less direct about it.

Spelling mistake? "And then, there was a trill" What is a trill?

A trill is a shrill, whistling, sometimes sort of warbling noise.

Or in linguistics, a type of articulation describing a category that includes rolled "r"s, but that seems to be less relevant here.

[O. Hinds]

Going by how Equestria seems to reflect the US, I was hoping to draw some knowledge from the area around where I used to live, though that was admittedly just outside the foothills; the actual range was quite a distance away.

Okay, so you're definitely not using anything closely resembling my map, then.

[WovenTales]

@O. Hinds: Sorry, no. I draw inspiration from a variety of sources, but mainly use my headcanon understanding of Equestria roughly overlaid on the landscape of the US and tweaked to slightly resemble Hasbro's "official" map. The maps you and SilentCarto made (as well as any I might have forgotten) have allowed me to place the locations relative to each other, but have not affected much beyond the borders of the fics.

[O. Hinds]

@O. Hinds: Sorry, no. I draw inspiration from a variety of sources, but mainly use my headcanon understanding of Equestria roughly overlaid on the landscape of the US and tweaked to slightly resemble Hasbro's "official" map. The maps you and SilentCarto made (as well as any I might have forgotten) have allowed me to place the locations relative to each other, but have not affected much beyond the borders of the fics.

No problem. I quite understand having a headcanon you prefer.

[Ketchup]

I have pictured Canterlot as some sort of central point, with Hoofington being Eastward and Ponyville and Manehattan being Westward. With Puppysmiles' adventure taking her Northwards. The last one makes the least sense because North goes away from any water, which the story ends near, IIRC. So she'd be going South, I guess, which would take her through the Everfree... Which doesn't appear. So around the Everfree. But that also corresponds somewhat to Tenpony Tower's location.

[Stringtheory]

I have pictured Canterlot as some sort of central point, with Hoofington being Eastward and Ponyville and Manehattan being Westward. With Puppysmiles' adventure taking her Northwards. The last one makes the least sense because North goes away from any water, which the story ends near, IIRC. So she'd be going South, I guess, which would take her through the Everfree... Which doesn't appear. So around the Everfree. But that also corresponds somewhat to Tenpony Tower's location.

that's why I don't even try to place all this stuff on a map, if I tried my brain would fry from trying to see how all these adventures could be happening and not overlap, well at least most FO:E fics make up their own specific part of equestria off in some corner that was never mentioned in the original, I also dislike fics exploring places that have already been explored, because I love world building

[Sindri]

Geography: how does it work?

[Ironmonger]

Unrelated:Trying to get my aunt to name her new kitten "Opalescence".

[WavemasterRyx]

Ladies and gentlemen...
[someone went and made art of "it".]
Linky

Oh... well that's not quite what I had planned, but it's not bad.

[Caoimhe]

Oh man... so much to reply to. :o

[Admiral Stoic Rum]

I'm not gonna bother catching up... jump in feet fort sweetheart!

[FeatherDust]

...the NRC (Nuclear Regulatory Commission)

When you first mentioned the NRC, I immediately saw "NCR".

We have lots and lots of guns. Sniper positions everywhere, multiple from any angle. Heck, we even considered automated turrets at one point.

Please don't do that. That's entirely too Fallout. I don't want to break into your compound in 200 years wearing a rad suit and dosed on RadX, defeat all your sentry guns at great expenditure of ammo, and find a terminal with your sad final message about how the turret guns have gone crazy and are shooting everyone.

[Stringtheory]

I'm not gonna bother catching up... jump in feet fort sweetheart!

THREADS FOR THE THREAD GOD!!! POSTS FOR THE POST THRONE!!!

[Caoimhe]

Didn't read anything on this page. Just looked at pictures. Honesty Zone.

[OneMoreDaySK]

...the NRC (Nuclear Regulatory Commission)

When you first mentioned the NRC, I immediately saw "NCR".

Been playing to much NV, perhaps? Reminds me of when everyone was looking at where Somber worked at;
Fallon, NV

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