Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

[Kippershy]

you know, we could always ask Somber whether or not Boo has a soul. And if someone doesnt want to get upset because of potential spoilers we could ask Somber not to tell us if it does pertain to the story.

DO NOT
REPEAT
DO NOT ENCOURAGE SOMBER LIKE THIS

I AM NOT TRYING TO SHOUT AT YOU HERE, I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE SOMBER READS THIS

WE DO NOT WANT TO BE TOLD EARLIER THEN PLANNED - LET IT BE DONE THROUGH THE STORY.
PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF CELESTIA, DO NOT TELL US SOMBER.

[Cptadder]

you know, we could always ask Somber whether or not Boo has a soul. And if someone doesnt want to get upset because of potential spoilers we could ask Somber not to tell us if it does pertain to the story.

No spoilers thank you, unless it's clarification of something that's never going to be mentioned again, then it's not spoilers.
Random questions I've gotten during my re-read for example like...

1. In Vault 99 were the ponies not only trapped in their jobs but also their shift? Both Blackjack and her Mom are third shift, I'm assuming eight hour rotations of 0000-0800, 0800-1600, and 1600-0000. That gives you eight hours of sleep and eight hours of leisure time in your sixteen hours off each day. That all tracks right? Well can pones change shift? If Gin thinks Daisy is a problem pony could she have shifted her to first or second shift?
2. In Vault 99 were departments on their own, IE did Rivets have to put Scotch Tape into Duck Tape's spot because they had to have a pony in that repair slot per Stabletech or was it manning requirements with Maintenance stretched that much? Likewise could Gin take the day off if she wanted?

Those are my examples of questions that somber MIGHT answer that have no impact on the story if they are or are not answered. I don't want to know if Boo has a Soul because Boo's still around, Somber wants to let slip that Deus fucking loved daffodil sandwiches even after being enhanced, fine, but don't spoil us on things that are yet to happen.

*Edit
Question Three
What's the MLP equivalent of manning, Ponying requirements?

[Ketchup]

Blanks don't have souls, they are just fleshy husks driven by instinct. Why are we discussing it? What makes Boo any different other than better survival skills?

[Kippershy]

Blanks don't have souls, they are just fleshy husks driven by instinct. Why are we discussing it? What makes Boo any different other than better survival skills?

Interaction, survival skills, acknowledgement of the world around her, a very obvious learning capability (compared to normal blanks) and a sense of personality - even if it's only faint.


She as mentioned, learnt how to use a gun through mimicking Blackjack's behaviour.
She nudges blackjack in the flank or looks into her saddlebags when she wants another snack cake.
When Blackjacks face was half destroyed, she STILL recognised her for her and not only did she stay by her side, but she continued to show affection despite not wanting another snack cake.
Without Blackjack being around, she has gone around chapel looking for her.


She's showing traces of being someone, even if the growth of her mentality is extremely slow or completely stunted - she's still a different breed altogether compared to the mindless blanks that would only react to pain while being harmed and not avoid it a second time.
They would see the others being ripped apart by 'fatties' yet neither run and hide nor try fight back.
Boo however, did.

[NoodleNugget]

I was just offering a suggestion. You guys are having big multipage debates over something pretty much trivial. And because it was bound to catch sombers attention I was just pointing out the fact that maybe you should ask if it concerns you that much. But then I remembered that you guys threw a little temper tantrum the last time somber tried to help So I pointed out that you could ask him NOT to answer. I wasnt asking somber about it. I was asking you guys if YOU wanted to ask somber about it.
So I offered you two choices. Ask Somber and get your answer with the possibilty that it might spoil something minor OR tell Somber to Stay away from our fun because we dont like little teeny things being spoiled.

I personally couldn't care less. I already have my own theory and until evidence comes up to disprove it, it wont change.

[Icy Shake]

...and then religion proceeds to ignore science for millennia :P

Only the stupid religions. If I recall correctly, Pope John Paul II officially pardoned Galileo and said that evolution was true. Granted, he couldn't go much further than that, and there were multiple assassination attempts for even that little... And most other religious leaders don't even go that far... yeah, okay, you got it right the first time.

So, just as a point of fact, there were three attempted assassinations of JP2.
The first was by Mehmet Ali Ağca, whose reasons are unknown and who has been highly inconsistent in his statements pertaining thereto. Several theories of the motivation here revolve around Communists, either Soviets, Bulgarians, or East Germans, being engaged in the conspiracy.
The second was by Juan Maria Fernandez y Krohn, who opposed the reforms of Vatican II (and thought JP2 was a Communist trying to corrupt the Vatican--I have no idea how he came up with that), and predated JP's reaffirmation of evolution and apology for Galileo's treatment by over a decade (and interestingly occurred three decades after Pope Pius II expressed openness to the Big Bang theory and stated that there was no conflict between evolution and Church doctrine).
The last was a plot by Islamist terrorists with al-Qaeda backing that never really got too far on the "kill the Pope" front. It was meant as a diversion in part of a larger plan.

While there are many areas in which I disagree with the (hierarchy of the) (modern) Catholic Church, acceptance of science as the guide to the truth of how the material universe operates is not among them.

I do wish I knew more about the interaction of other faiths with scientific consensus. I guess it just never really came up for me.

[OneMoreDaySK]

Ok... Here's something that's been bugging me for a while during my x'th reread:

“After
what the Overmare did to my ass on a regular basis, what do you think?”
he said with a grumble, glaring up at me before staring away into the
side of the tub. “I was so glad Daisy busted my leg. It was an excuse
to have a shot whenever I wanted. When we were in Flank, I stocked up.
I could just… not hurt... but then I ran out…”

How was he supposed to have a shot whenever he wanted, if he was scheduled for execution that day, had Deus not wrecked everything? Was this left over from the original chapter 1? There was something else, I just forgot it, will try to find it next reread.

@Boo soul discussion
I have my own pet theories, but I'll keep them to myself until it happens in the chapter. Please don't try to clarify Somber.

Also didn't Lacunae like the daffodil sandviches? /hoovy

[Kattlarv]

@Sindri: (Psygius) Yeah, that is a possibility, or she might just decide to "take it by herself", like she's used to. Then again, his flashy shadow-walk would kinda make that frustrating or impossible... you know what would be so wrong if both makes it out of there alive? One of them develops an Erotic asphyxiation fetish xD

(Name) I know where it was from. But I can't recall if Golden made up that name by himself, or if Shy was involved in coming up with it, or if it was just a "I was going to name her Whisper (not like Shy would dare/care to voice an opinion anyhow)" thing. As for linage, she doesn't know as much as BJ does, all she knows (to what I recall) is that her parents were Golden and Fluttershy, she likely knew who Fluttershy was, the other is likely just some nobody/whoever she knows little, or nothing about. And then she got to know what her intended name had been. And from what I recall, she introduced herself as "...hi" xD But anyhow, I can't really say how I'd have reacted... one could take her "old name", but knowing part of her origin, and whom made it, it'd likely be painful to remember. If she took her intended name, it could remind her of said thing, but also possibly good thing. But would kinda both be living in the past, and partly honouring at least one of her (possible) parents wishes. Or she could take/make a new one for herself, a fresh start. Would likely require her to have the willpower though.

(Sex) There is a few ways she could have gone about, one would be like you said. (and no offence to Styg fans, but if she had him as her first, she'd likely be sorely disappointed, more than usual. Or well, it depends how much she hyped up sex.) One would be that she "utilized" ponies (possibly just males... and possibly not limited to ponies) to quench her sexual frustration. (Since like said, she was a reaper, or is... she took what she wanted, or there was hell to pay.) Or she could have had some sort of "stress relief" relation with one of the other reapers. (since from what I recall, she said she wasn't in love with him that way, but more saw him as a father) Or alternatively, has a huge sexual frustration she gets over by beating others to pulp, and resorts to masturbation to satisfy herself. Since she seems far from asexual as said. (and on a unrelated note, I find it kinda funny how Psy has slipped more and more less accurate to my guess as the story moved on xD Despite some changes to my story, it still seems to possibly conflict. And like said, while it has no reason or requirement to be even accurate, (or even write) it still feels best to at least try imo. And I guess it makes PH a tad bit easier for me to read.)

@Silent+Sindri (Me) I'm really not sure what I should think right about now about those comments tbh...

@Everypony: (Boo+KJ) Above my average freaky shit, don't click if you want to avoid a violated mental image of Boo:

Spoiler:

(BJ cake) ... just me that had a dirty "eat out" pun here? Yes?

On a unrelated side note: Man, it's really starting to take it toll with a bad sleep cycle, especially if combined with not eating much.

[Cptadder]

How was he supposed to have a shot whenever he wanted, if he was scheduled for execution that day, had Deus not wrecked everything? Was this left over from the original chapter 1? There was something else, I just forgot it, will try to find it next reread.

Your forgetting he was on Med-X every day of his life from hitting the breeding rotation. As Med-X is a Morphine stand in think of him as a Heroin junkie (Similar addiction effects) he's been on the drug all his life but how can he confess his addiction to Not a Smart Pony Blackjack, but when Daisy breaks his leg leaving the stable he does not have to tell Blackjack anything he just winces a little and Blackjack thinks "Oh broken leg, right have another shot P-21". We as the readers never noticed it either (And I read all 18 now 19k almost 20k comments) until after his leg was healed and he kept taking Med-X but again no one guessed the fact he was a life long addict not just a since the Stable addict. It's one of the stronger subplots of Sombers as it's RR Martin like in it's obviousness in retrospect when you get that last bit of data that turns dozens of statements into a clear picture.

[OneMoreDaySK]

How was he supposed to have a shot whenever he wanted, if he was scheduled for execution that day, had Deus not wrecked everything? Was this left over from the original chapter 1? There was something else, I just forgot it, will try to find it next reread.

Your forgetting he was on Med-X every day of his life from hitting the breeding rotation. As Med-X is a Morphine stand in think of him as a Heroin junkie (Similar addiction effects) he's been on the drug all his life but how can he confess his addiction to Not a Smart Pony Blackjack, but when Daisy breaks his leg leaving the stable he does not have to tell Blackjack anything he just winces a little and Blackjack thinks "Oh broken leg, right have another shot P-21". We as the readers never noticed it either (And I read all 18 now 19k almost 20k comments) until after his leg was healed and he kept taking Med-X but again no one guessed the fact he was a life long addict not just a since the Stable addict. It's one of the stronger subplots of Sombers as it's RR Martin like in it's obviousness in retrospect when you get that last bit of data that turns dozens of statements into a clear picture.

I was so glad Daisy busted my leg. It was an excuse
to have a shot whenever I wanted.

Oh ok, a shot anytime in the Wasteland as well. I thought he was just thinking about getting continued med-x shots in medical, which makes absolutely no sense storywise.

[FeatherDust]

Blanks don't have souls, they are just fleshy husks driven by instinct. Why are we discussing it? What makes Boo any different other than better survival skills?

Interaction, survival skills, acknowledgement of the world around her, a very obvious learning capability (compared to normal blanks) and a sense of personality - even if it's only faint.

None of those are unique to souled creatures. My dog has all those traits. Again, explicitly unsouled creatures have been referred to as having "animal instincts" several times. That doesn't mean empty-minded unresponsiveness; that means reacting as an animal does.

She as mentioned, learnt how to use a gun through mimicking Blackjack's behaviour.

That is the strongest argument for Boo being something more than she seems, but even that is entirely uncertain. She may have been merely imitating the pose with no understanding of what it did; the fact that she shot someone seemed more accidental (given she shot BJ two seconds later) in the "protected by the stars" lucky break sort of way.

She nudges blackjack in the flank or looks into her saddlebags when she wants another snack cake.
When Blackjacks face was half destroyed, she STILL recognised her for her and not only did she stay by her side, but she continued to show affection despite not wanting another snack cake.
Without Blackjack being around, she has gone around chapel looking for her.

Again, my dog does all that. (Though she did freak out a little one time when I put on a hat... didn't take long for her to figure it out.)

She's showing traces of being someone, even if the growth of her mentality is extremely slow or completely stunted - she's still a different breed altogether compared to the mindless blanks that would only react to pain while being harmed and not avoid it a second time.
They would see the others being ripped apart by 'fatties' yet neither run and hide nor try fight back.
Boo however, did.

That could be a sign of a greater age than the others, though.

Consider, Boo was dirty and scruffy when BJ found her. The other blanks were pristine white. Even inactive as they are, how long do you think they could wander around the facility before they get dirty? Nobody cared enough to wash them. That suggests to me that the blanks were only days old while Boo maybe a few weeks old, an that difference could easily be enough time to go from infantile unresponsiveness to something more like a normal animal mentality.

I'm not saying I'm certain Boo lacks a soul. I'm just saying there's no real evidence yet to support a certainty that she has one.

[SilentCarto]

You've met with a terrible fate, haven't you?

← → ↓ ← → ↓

You got the... snack cake mask, I guess? I don't even know.

That is terrible. And hilarious and kinda cute. Terlhiate.
Anyways, I added it as a submission to Boo's tumblr, because it really is quite funny.

I'm trying to glee and squeak and say thank you at the same time.
Gleakyou.

[SilentCarto]

It doesn't mean she's not adorable, but I think of her like a pet rather than a team member.

Bullshit! She shot Blackjack, therefore she's a team member! Sweetie Belle

4. this video here:

This site here: http://www.metro.co.uk/film/868639-new-rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-viral-video-watch#ixzz1RplNdUWv
That's a viral advertisement for Rise of the Planet of the Apes.

[Meleagridis]

Consider, Boo was dirty and scruffy when BJ found her. The other blanks were pristine white. Even inactive as they are, how long do you think they could wander around the facility before they get dirty? Nobody cared enough to wash them. That suggests to me that the blanks were only days old while Boo maybe a few weeks old, an that difference could easily be enough time to go from infantile unresponsiveness to something more like a normal animal mentality.

She was older. That was the point. She avoided dying long enough to age, a capacity lacking in the other blanks. She was the only one capable of actively staying alive. More than a blank.

I'm not saying I'm certain Boo lacks a soul. I'm just saying there's no real evidence yet to support a certainty that she has one.

...No, there isn't a good bit of evidence to support it. We have no reason to believe she has one. Personally, I'm just not comfortable with any of the hard conviction Snips has brought to the once comfortably murky concept of souls in FoE. I don't like thinking that Winona had no soul, that Cerberus has no soul, or that Boo is a soulless thing. I'd really rather believe that he's full of shit, but I don't think that's the case.

I'm with Blackjack.

I believe Boo has a soul, and I pray that it slams the lid on that horrible little 'expert' and his dissertations on who does and does not have a soul. It's clear this world has no solace for the soulless, may the cold place have mercy on the beasts, the mutants, and the metal men.

[O. Hinds]

I'm assuming eight hour rotations of 0000-0800, 0800-1600, and 1600-0000. That gives you eight hours of sleep and eight hours of leisure time in your sixteen hours off each day.

This reminds me: we still don't know how Equestrian minutes work. Hm… If each hour mark on a clock face also represents four minutes (a stab in the dark), then they'd have 32 minutes per hour (assuming one revolution of the minute hand per hour). That makes an Equestrian minute equal to 2.8125 Earth minutes, assuming equal day length.
Dividing the day into three equal shifts under this system would make each shift five point three three bar hours long, equating to one hundred seventy point six six bar minutes (approximately). We can drop the point six six bar (approximately), giving shift lengths of 170 Equestrian minutes (478.125 Earth minutes) with a total of about two (5.625) minutes in the entire day with no shift officially active.
Of course, this is all just a hypothesis based on an educated but unsubstantiated guess.

...Yeah, I get carried away with math sometimes.

[FeatherDust]

She was older. That was the point. She avoided dying long enough to age, a capacity lacking in the other blanks. She was the only one capable of actively staying alive. More than a blank.

Or she was lucky enough to survive long enough to develop survival instincts.
Or the creation engine hasn't been online continuously to create a consistent repopulation. For example, maybe it was turned on only long enough to create a few blanks, one of which was Boo, then it was shut off until Sanguine needed it again, creating a surge of "young" blanks.
We don't know what the background here is so we can't say with any certainty that Boo is older because she started off different, or if she's different purely because she's older, and any blank that survived that long would be similar.

...No, there isn't a good bit of evidence to support it. We have no reason to believe she has one. Personally, I'm just not comfortable with any of the hard conviction Snips has brought to the once comfortably murky concept of souls in FoE.

I don't like thinking that Winona had no soul, that Cerberus has no soul, or that Boo is a soulless thing. I'd really rather believe that he's full of shit, but I don't think that's the case.

Well, he was able to slice a soul into little bitty pieces, so he's got to have some sort of knowledge about them.

Anyway, what's wrong with not having a soul? Lots of creatures get along just fine without 'em.

[O. Hinds]

What do you think of these shift times?
1: 0221-0731
2: 0801-1311
3: 1311-0221

[Meleagridis]

Anyway, what's wrong with not having a soul? Lots of creatures get along just fine without 'em.

The friends of ferals might have something to say about that.

For the nonravenous, though, it's... nothing rational. Purely emotional and knee-jerk. It's just fundamentally horrible, is all. I don't really have the resources or the endurance to get into a debate on why some thinking creatures not having this privilege is a heartbreaking concept, though, so I'm thinking I might want to back up right now. Existential philosophy is not under 'Strong Points' on my resume...

[FeatherDust]

I was just thinking about Rampage when I should've been sleeping.

1) Rampage basically has Twist's coloration, down to the eyes, with the exception of her stripes. So I think Twist must've been the final recipient of the Eternity Core.

2) Why were they killing all those ponies with the Core in them? I thought that it was to test it and the soul-capture effect was a mistake, but now I wonder. Maybe they were powering it up. If it needs souls to run on, Angel and Razorwire and so on might have been considered simply fuel. I'm almost sure the "possession" effect was unintended.

3) How did Doc Ock get in there? Was he implanted and murdered like Razor? Was he supposed to benefit from it and did not, like Softheart? Can the Core suck up souls of those who simply die around it? (It may not eat souls all the time, only when it's 'hungry' due to having expended energy on regeneration -- thus why it doesn't contain dozens of random wastelanders.)


On a different subject, do we know how or if Goldenblood died? To my knowledge the last we know of him is being imprisoned and sentenced to death by Luna, probably when she found out what Horizons was.

[Meleagridis]

On a different subject, do we know how or if Goldenblood died? To my knowledge the last we know of him is being imprisoned and sentenced to death by Luna, probably when she found out what Horizons was.

Last known location (to the public or, at least, Sanguine) was waiting in a Canterlot cell for the Cloud to fall. No character has yet seen a body.

[Sindri]

How was he supposed to have a shot whenever he wanted, if he was scheduled for execution that day, had Deus not wrecked everything? Was this left over from the original chapter 1? There was something else, I just forgot it, will try to find it next reread.

He wasn't saying he got them from medical, he was saying he had an excuse to take med-x whenever he felt like it while travelling with Blackjack without being accused of having some sort of drug problem.

Personally, I'm just not comfortable with any of the hard conviction Snips has brought to the once comfortably murky concept of souls in FoE.

Partial agreement. I like the magic to have rules, but it doesn't seem like Snips knows anywhere near as much about them as he thinks he does. After all, he's already been wrong about the soul jars "wearing off" and he doesn't seem to know anything about starmetal or the Eater. So the only question is how wrong is he?


As far as I can tell, he's a mechanic. He can manipulate souls to do certain things that he's been taught to do. But knowing how to rebuild a car engine doesn't make you a mechanical engineer, and it definitely doesn't make you a physicist. These are serious quantum-soul-physics questions here. He's claiming to know everything there is to know about the soul, when all he really knows, as far as I can tell, is the process for the creation of a soul jar.

I'm assuming eight hour rotations of 0000-0800, 0800-1600, and 1600-0000. That gives you eight hours of sleep and eight hours of leisure time in your sixteen hours off each day.

This reminds me: we still don't know how Equestrian minutes work. Hm… If each hour mark on a clock face also represents four minutes (a stab in the dark), then they'd have 32 minutes per hour (assuming one revolution of the minute hand per hour). That makes an Equestrian minute equal to 2.8125 Earth minutes, assuming equal day length.
Dividing the day into three equal shifts under this system would make each shift five point three three bar hours long, equating to one hundred seventy point six six bar minutes (approximately). We can drop the point six six bar (approximately), giving shift lengths of 170 Equestrian minutes (478.125 Earth minutes) with a total of about two (5.625) minutes in the entire day with no shift officially active.
Of course, this is all just a hypothesis based on an educated but unsubstantiated guess.

...Yeah, I get carried away with math sometimes.

Or, alternatively, Equestrian minutes are the same as ours. Several clocks in the second season have had twelve sections.

Or she was lucky enough to survive long enough to develop survival instincts.

Sanguine was a scientist. Over the course of two hundred years, he would have been a very bored scientist. Do you really think he'd never have kept a few (hundred) blanks alive as long as he could, just to see if they'd develop? Yet Boo was something he'd never seen before.


Meanwhile, Discord is a God. Boo was something he seemed to have never seen before.

Goldenblood was looking for a source of souls that wouldn't upset the public, and after the incidents with the soul jars made from prisoners he'd be looking especially for malleable, passive ones. He declared the blanks to be perfect for organ harvesting, and nothing more.

That last one pretty well proves that normal blanks do not have souls. The first two strongly indicate the Boo is fundamentally different from a normal blank. Her possessing a soul for some unknown reason seems to be the best explanation.

I was just thinking about Rampage when I should've been sleeping...

My current theory is that they were trying to just make an immortality implant, something that would make the pony it sits in impossible to kill. But the subject kept getting killed, so they'd put it in the next terminally wounded subject and keep recording data to try to figure out where they went wrong. Then the old host starts to regenerate, much slower than they expected, so as to be unnoticeable when they had the core out. They grow back, right out from the core... and into the current host. The eternal regeneration talisman doesn't know what to do with this, so it mixes the old and the new as best it can. The current host started out as Twist, and the one right before that was Shujaa, so physically she's mostly Twist but with stripes and a kinda zebra-ish bone structure. But all the old hosts are still there; the talisman was a part of them, making them immortal, before it was put in the next pony down the line, so they're still inside it. The talisman tries to simultaneously heal the old host and the new one, merging them into a single pony almost seamlessly. So by the time you get down to Rampage the host is about 50% Twist, 25% Shujaa, 12.5% whoever came right before the Proditor, 6.25% the pony before that, 3.125% the pony before that, etc.


Why does Rampage regenerate so fast, if it used to be so slow they didn't notice before they put it in a new pony? Well, there's about a dozen more souls inside powering it now.

On a different subject, do we know how or if Goldenblood died? To my knowledge the last we know of him is being imprisoned and sentenced to death by Luna, probably when she found out what Horizons was.

Not specifically. He was imprisoned in Canterlot the day of the Cloud, after being sentenced to death later. Sanguine was in the city at the time, and was sure that Goldenblood had not survived IIRC. But knowing Goldy, he probably escaped or became a Canterlot Ghoul. Just as planned.

[Sindri]

Unrelated note: I got the ME3 "extended cut" and played through it once, and while it was not as good as I'd hoped it was not as bad as I feared and certainly better than the old ending. I was left feeling that it was rather stupid, instead of feeling like setting EA execs on fire.

[O. Hinds]

What do you think of these shift times?
1: 0221-0731
2: 0801-1311
3: 1311-0221

Why is there a half hour break there? And shouldn't there be a little overlap for turnovers?

It's a two minute break, or 5.625 Earth minutes. I put it in because 512 doesn't divide by three into integers, and I thought that a two minute break at noon would be easier than dealing with adding 2/3 of a minute to each shift. As for overlap... hm.
0220-0800
0800-1312
1310-0222
How's that? The 2 to 3 and 3 to 1 transitions now have two-minute overlaps; there's still no overlap at noon, but there's also no break.

Or, alternatively, Equestrian minutes are the same as ours. Several clocks in the second season have had twelve sections.

Aye, but FoE, and thus PH, canon is that Equestria uses eight hour clocks.

[NoodleNugget]

I think Goldie just walked out of canterlot after the megaspell went off. I believe it was revealed back in his house if not earlier that his breathing problem was due to the pink cloud. I think that after who knows how many years of dealing with it his body probably built up a natural tolerance for it. His respiratory system still had considerable damage done and with the constant pink cloud in his system he couldn't exactly heal, but the pink cloud(as far as I know) hasn't traveled anywhere else in his body. his digestive system(as far as I know) is fine. His mouth hasn't melted down, so something has to be going on.

[Sindri]

Or, alternatively, Equestrian minutes are the same as ours. Several clocks in the second season have had twelve sections.

Aye, but FoE, and thus PH, canon is that Equestria uses eight hour clocks.

Well, ever mention of minutes or seconds I can recall seemed analogous to our own units by those names... perhaps we'd best assume that the Equestrian hour contains 90 minutes?

[Sindri]

I think Goldie just walked out of canterlot after the megaspell went off. I believe it was revealed back in his house if not earlier that his breathing problem was due to the pink cloud. I think that after who knows how many years of dealing with it his body probably built up a natural tolerance for it. His respiratory system still had considerable damage done and with the constant pink cloud in his system he couldn't exactly heal, but the pink cloud(as far as I know) hasn't traveled anywhere else in his body. his digestive system(as far as I know) is fine. His mouth hasn't melted down, so something has to be going on.

Personally I think, given that he was the only survivor of Littlehorn, and that the damage to his system from the Cloud should be lethal, he's got whatever quirk (genetic twist, exceptionally strong soul, natural necromantic affinity, whatever) that causes a person to become a ghoul instead of a corpse. He was stopped part-way through the transformation, and Fluttershy (having no basis for knowing what was going on) kept him more pony than ghoul with a steady stream of healing potion. As soon as he was deprived of potions and immersed in the Cloud again, he would simply complete his transformation. Probably lose the pulse and what's left of his good looks, but also get rid of the constant horrible pain and his capacity to be killed by anything short of disintegration or beheading.


Oh course it would be hilarious if we finally found him and he'd gone feral...

[O. Hinds]

Or, alternatively, Equestrian minutes are the same as ours. Several clocks in the second season have had twelve sections.

Aye, but FoE, and thus PH, canon is that Equestria uses eight hour clocks.

Well, ever mention of minutes or seconds I can recall seemed analogous to our own units by those names... perhaps we'd best assume that the Equestrian hour contains 90 minutes?

So each hour mark on an analogue clock would be 11.25 minutes?

[Sindri]

So each hour mark on an analogue clock would be 11.25 minutes?

...

YES!

[Kippershy]

I was just offering a suggestion. You guys are having big multipage debates over something pretty much trivial. And because it was bound to catch sombers attention I was just pointing out the fact that maybe you should ask if it concerns you that much. But then I remembered that you guys threw a little temper tantrum the last time somber tried to help So I pointed out that you could ask him NOT to answer. I wasnt asking somber about it. I was asking you guys if YOU wanted to ask somber about it.
So I offered you two choices. Ask Somber and get your answer with the possibilty that it might spoil something minor OR tell Somber to Stay away from our fun because we dont like little teeny things being spoiled.

I personally couldn't care less. I already have my own theory and until evidence comes up to disprove it, it wont change.

That's the thing - you don't care.
For me, the whole garnet, onyx, glass, emerald thing was all trivial - but I still wouldn't have asked Somber to go ahead and tell us like that - I just took no part in it because it doesn't bother me.

For us, Boo is a massive part and whether she has a soul or not, why she's the way she is -- means a lot to us.
To simply be told something like this - to me, would be like how he just said Rampage = Eternity all that time back.
I can look back and laugh now, but it it definitely ruined all that for us.

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I was just offering a suggestion. You guys are having big multipage debates over something pretty much trivial. And because it was bound to catch sombers attention I was just pointing out the fact that maybe you should ask if it concerns you that much. But then I remembered that you guys threw a little temper tantrum the last time somber tried to help So I pointed out that you could ask him NOT to answer. I wasnt asking somber about it. I was asking you guys if YOU wanted to ask somber about it.
So I offered you two choices. Ask Somber and get your answer with the possibilty that it might spoil something minor OR tell Somber to Stay away from our fun because we dont like little teeny things being spoiled.

I personally couldn't care less. I already have my own theory and until evidence comes up to disprove it, it wont change.

That's the thing - you don't care.
For me, the whole garnet, onyx, glass, emerald thing was all trivial - but I still wouldn't have asked Somber to go ahead and tell us like that - I just took no part in it because it doesn't bother me.

For us, Boo is a massive part and whether she has a soul or not, why she's the way she is -- means a lot to us.
To simply be told something like this - to me, would be like how he just said Rampage = Eternity all that time back.
I can look back and laugh now, but it it definitely ruined all that for us.

Yes, I don't care... about your decision.
Whether or not you seek Somber's aid is of no relevance to me and while knowing whether or not I am thinking correctly with what I believe about this situation would be nice and would let me adjust what I should be thinking accordingly, it does not affect my appreciation of the story in any way if I or if I don't receive this information. I still love Boo. I will always love Boo. It doesn't matter if she does or doesn't have a soul because she is still Boo and she is still deserving of all the adoration she receives.

As for the Garnet and Co. thing, it was trivial information. Simple as that. It would be like visiting a wiki to read up on the lore of a story. Here, I'll spoil skyrim for you. Khajiit's have a sweet tooth because of their moon sugar addiction(which is directly tied into their religion and culture) which they believe is small portions of the moon gods', Jode(Big Moon God) and Jone(Little Moon God), eternal souls. Holy beans batman! So much for you enjoying Skyrim anymore knowing that tidbit! Yes, this situation is exactly the same. It's just lore. it is not relevant to the story in any major extents, it is just information that is nice to have.

Rampage-Eternity was implied within the story and when you guys started making your speculations, Somber came in to put your suspicions to rest. And now your saying "Oh God! Why did he tell me! I'm not supposed to know this until he tells me... In the story! Now the story is ruined now that I think back about it!Waaaahhh"

you are acting like a child who refuses the help of their parent because they want to figure it out for themselves. Except you don't want the information when the parent offers to give it to you and instead are fully willing to wait patiently, thinking "Oh they'll just tell me eventually" and if they so much as attempt to tell you, you will throw a big temper tantrum. But you're fully willing to use the information given to you through 'spoilers' while still being petty enough to say 'it ruined this'.

Here, Felt like drawing a shitty MS paint comic.

Spoiler:

And now here, lets give you another scenario as well. Here is a friend who is offering to pay for a meal, But you tell him 'No' and tell him to buy you a meal in two weeks. Nothing is holding him to get you that meal in two weeks other than the knowledge that you would appreciate a meal then. He doesn't have to do it but now you are expecting him to.
I would like to bring up the Garnet and Co. bit. he doesn't have to use that information. But he could, knowing that it is one of your concerns. now I would like to bring up the Boo-Soul discussion. He doesn't have to go into detail about the concerns of her soul in the story. He could just leave it at Blackjack sending a message through her pipbuck saying that she believes that Boo has a soul and be done with that whole subject entirely if he so chooses. Most likely he will make a cameo of this concern, but nothing is binding him to do it.

TL:DR, Chill your fucking tits and stop looking a gift horse in the mouth.

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