Re: [GRIMDARK] Fallout Equestria: Project Horizons Discussion

[Jeremyrush]

Hear me for I am admiral stoic rum destroyer of threads.

*shrug* I just don't post.

[Kattlarv]

@Feather: Oh no, I didn't mean it like that. It was that very many went on about how "kind, generous, selfless, romantic and gentlemanly" he was and all that, while all he did was be a horny... teen? That's what annoyed me. Call him a horny teen, fine, but he is not all those things they were claiming he was. He was being gloryfied when he first came out a while back.

Secondly, even I figured out in my teens that males could have orgasms too... kinda bad example as that is kinda the first thing taught in sex ed, but that's beside the point. And the point being, I know first timers suck, and really don't see why so many want virgins, they're terrible for a good time. I can however say they make wonderful "snuggle/cute" times though, if you can take the time and comfort for it. And she stated the "did the same again" (basically) 2-3 more times, and that the EVEN managed to get off on the last, the EVEN indicating DESPITE, meaning that the act had no intention to get her off, she just happened to have an orgasm during it. But yes, he was selfish, most can be blamed on it being his first time. I won't deny (or would it be admit?) that I was any better, totally focused on me until I got mine, then I noticed there are two people in this act. Styg seemed to miss that part. Point being, they're really need to lack sex ed at all for him to not notice anything, or he was really, really easy to distract with himself during sex/absent minded. And do keep I'm mind I'm a rather ticked off female, just know I've been through shit and have experienced a lot of things. A LOT.

(Door) Firstly: That is something Twilight both could AND would do if she felt like it. Like we got reminded of a few posts back: This mare flipped the fuck out and didn't sleep for 3 days due to something. Twilight HAD CDO, it's like OCD, but in alphabetical order. AS IT SHOULD BE. Or did you forget Lesson Zero, if a bit stressed, or possibly just normally, Twilight might demand that even sex is done by the book. She pretty much plans her entire life, week by week.

And the door was laced with amethysts, that kinda makes it fancy from
the start. Plus, even if it was a "normal door", it could be a "lounge
room door", one with just handles and to push/drag, since it was a
double door after all.

@Silent: Somehow I have a knack for being able to argue for both really stupid things, like this one, and really technically important things xP
Just can lastly say that there's most that "one" normal door. And that was exactly what I meant with Steel, she mentioned the important things. And she's actually almost always mentioned locks before, at least if something was locked with one, but gah, yeah, quiet brain, the door is irrelevant.

@Somber: Miniguns kinda tend to somewhat easily mow down rows of people. In Fallout 1, 2 and Tactics from what I recall, power armour managed to go "fuck you" to most miniguns, unless armor-blank fired. Or that freaky uranium gun.

On a side note, slightly more TMI content that usually:

Spoiler:

It's 6 am, and I should be alseep, *monocle*

[Admiral Stoic Rum]

SANDWICH AHOY!!!

[RoboRed]

Someone drank my rum, Admiral. I was going to finish it off for my birthday tonight...I am sad....

[Kippershy]

Daily check, How are my cuties? (everyone here)

I just completed step one of making my mushroom jelly for tomorrow.

Step one: Begin the jelly like always and put it in the fridge.
Step two: add the mushrooms to the unset mix so that they'll set inside it.
Step three: ???
Step four: PROFIT!!!

[Admiral Stoic Rum]

oops the bloody thing exceeds the forum limits, thats okay because you can click on the image and it will take you to another screen with the full image... I love coding sometimes...

[O. Hinds]

Someone drank my rum, Admiral. I was going to finish it off for my birthday tonight...I am sad....

Oh, happy birthday!

[Kippershy]

On a side note, slightly more TMI content that usually:

Spoiler:

It's 6 am, and I should be alseep, *monocle*

-winks at you-
my bed is always open

xD

Sorry, had to do it. YOU LEFT YOURSELF WIDE OPEN FOR IT.
...need I say more?

[Ketchup]

Daily check, How are my cuties? (everyone here)

I just completed step one of making my mushroom jelly for tomorrow.

Step one: Begin the jelly like always and put it in the fridge.
Step two: add the mushrooms to the unset mix so that they'll set inside it.
Step three: ???
Step four: PROFIT!!!

I'm probably the only one who thinks that is a bad idea.

[Admiral Stoic Rum]

On a side note, slightly more TMI content that usually:

Spoiler:

It's 6 am, and I should be alseep, *monocle*

-winks at you-
my bed is always open

xD

Sorry, had to do it. YOU LEFT YOURSELF WIDE OPEN FOR IT.
...need I say more?

That's WHAT SHE SAID!

[Kippershy]

-looks at the time-

...it's now 25 past 5 where I am. I'll have to be out've the house before 20 to.. I think it's time I completed... STEP TWO!

[RoboRed]

Oh, happy birthday!

Thanks!

(Apparently a case of missing rum did not grab the Admiral's attention. I am highly surprised.)

[Stringtheory]

Daily check, How are my cuties? (everyone here)

I just completed step one of making my mushroom jelly for tomorrow.

Step one: Begin the jelly like always and put it in the fridge.
Step two: add the mushrooms to the unset mix so that they'll set inside it.
Step three: ???
Step four: PROFIT!!!

I'm probably the only one who thinks that is a bad idea.

eh, I'll be the first to agree that it's a bad idea, it's just that the rest of us have given up on trying to talk him out it

[Elexius]

Eh, I tried to get the thread back to usual "speculation an debating", but alas, my attempt hath been thwarted.

[Kippershy]

Daily check, How are my cuties? (everyone here)

I just completed step one of making my mushroom jelly for tomorrow.

Step one: Begin the jelly like always and put it in the fridge.
Step two: add the mushrooms to the unset mix so that they'll set inside it.
Step three: ???
Step four: PROFIT!!!

I'm probably the only one who thinks that is a bad idea.

eh, I'll be the first to agree that it's a bad idea, it's just that the rest of us have given up on trying to talk him out it

Don't worry, sir or madam. I am a highly trained specialist and I will manage to defuse th-
OH GOD WE'RE ALL GONNA DIEEEEEEE



Seriously though - don't worry about me. I'm gonna be absolutely fine, if not a 'little' bit fucked out of my head... for 12 hours or so, I hope.
(even ten hours would be amazing).

Admittedly I'm only used to two thirds of the amount I'm doing now... but I can handle that, so I can handle this!
Another two good things are:

1. You cannot OD on mushrooms. You'd have to eat your own bodyweight to do so - which is physically impossible for humans anyway. (well, okay, theoretically its not but practically speaking - it is.)
2. I'm actually a lot more cautious/careful and sensible when I'm out of my mind because I know I'm out of my mind and gotta be careful not to go hurt myself believing the 'changes' are real.

[Sindri]

I'm gonna be absolutely fine, if not a 'little' bit fucked out of my head... for 12 hours or so, I hope.

Twelve hours? Partner must have stamina.

[Ketchup]

Nah, we don't worry about you Kipper. Not that we don't care what happens to you, but we know you'll be fine.

[Meleagridis]

Someone drank my rum, Admiral. I was going to finish it off for my birthday tonight...I am sad....

Have some pony instead.

[Admiral Stoic Rum]

Oh, happy birthday!

Thanks!

(Apparently a case of missing rum did not grab the Admiral's attention. I am highly surprised.)

you did not find the card in the case did you?

[RoboRed]

Rereading that, I think I should've been more clear. I meant "case" as in an incident.

[Kippershy]

Then I find out I don't start work until 9... when I got there -.-

[Kippershy]

I'm gonna be absolutely fine, if not a
'little' bit fucked out of my head... for 12 hours or so, I
hope.

Twelve hours? Partner must have stamina.

She may as well be Blackjack... speaking of... wouldn't mind tha-
WHAT?!? WHY ARE YOU LOOKING AT ME LIKE THAT?!?!

Nah, we don't worry about you Kipper. Not that we don't care what happens to you, but we know you'll be fine.

Good to hear. I'm generally not someone people should worry themselves over because at the end of the day, it wont change a thing.
If I am depressed, whatever I end up doing is what I end up doing. Nothing can stop me.
If I'm normal - there's literally no reason to worry ever. Because again, nothing can stop me.
All round - there's just never any reason to worry about me.

[Sindri]

She may as well be Blackjack... speaking of... wouldn't mind tha-
WHAT?!? WHY ARE YOU LOOKING AT ME LIKE THAT?!?!

Hey, I got no problem with xenophiles. As long as both parties consent, and possess sufficient reason and experience to know what that entails. So no little kids, no nonsentient animals, and nobody too drunk or drugged to understand, but other than that I don't care what your preference is.

[Kippershy]

On a side note, slightly more TMI content that usually:

Spoiler:

It's 6 am, and I should be alseep, *monocle*

-winks at you-
my bed is always open

xD

Sorry, had to do it. YOU LEFT YOURSELF WIDE OPEN FOR IT.
...need I say more?

That's WHAT SHE SAID!

I laaaaaaaaaughed XD

Oh, unrelated; but did you ever read any more of broken bonds? I found your commentary helpful and hilarious, but haven't seen more from you in a while.
not trying to push you into doing so, just curious is all.

[O. Hinds]

Ah, thanks; I only remembered that it was 30m for the US at one point and 5m for the UK.
And as for the subs shooting themselves dry, that's what the Typhoons were for. Hide under the ice until things die down, then break through and mop up. One of the examples of Soviet engineering that's actually impressive rather then just impressively bad (As I've said before, it's easy to just not build a moonship; anyone could do that. It's nowhere near as easy to build a moonship, launch it, and then have a synchronized breakdown of pretty much everything aboard as soon as it reaches Earth orbit.).

Hiding under the ice was only a viable strategy once we gave up on the Mark 45 with it's W34 11 Kiloton torpedo which had a lethal radius of eighteen and a half kilometers against submerged targets like submarines. FYI it had a max range of only 12 kilometers and had no homing system as it was a "in case of nuclear war use this". Attack submarines from 1964 to 1978 were supposed to have two on-board to use in case of a CRITIC level war warning to instantly engage and destroy any boomers they were trailing at the time. The idea being stopping twenty to forty missiles from flying with several megatons worth of boom was worth the hundred odd men on any submarine. A fair exchange and had the balloon gone up Captains were expected to make that trade without hesitation. We only withdrew them because we were cutting back on ships with live nukes on board (As they were one of the few nukes that did not require Presidential firing codes and could in theory be fired by any two officers on any submarine at will). They were still alongside the docks and several subs went on cruises with them aboard in the 80s but they were no longer standard issue and finally broken up during Bush I.

I keep learning things from you; thank you. The only potentially-nuclear-tipped torpedo I was familiar with was the Shkval.

Aye, but it's a choice between a small bit of hope and no hope at all. If the Equestrian first strike does indeed totally eliminate second strike capability with the first blasts, the Zebras are dead anyway. If for any reason the first blasts somehow don't totally eliminate SS capability, it's vital to get the missiles up before the next round of hits arrives.

And I suspect that by the time the SACII fields were being constructed, the Zebra High Command was already starting to suspect that their best option might be launching a first strike anyway, in which case the less time Equestria has to react, the better.

See this is where I think we are talking past each other here a little. First strike assumes no second wave except on mobile platforms. No matter how well guarded or decoyed no military commander is going to leave any static missile platforms unused in a first strike. That's nuclear tactical doctrine of every single side that posses missiles, static missiles are fired first even if you intend a submarine first strike, you'll launch your static ICBM's one to three minutes early.

I think we must be talking past each other here. Yes, in a Zebra first strike, every strategic missile in the network would go up. In an Equestrian first strike, there'd hopefully be enough missiles left to retaliate with. But… you are starting to talk me around to adding mobile launchers to the network…
The SACII capsule is a bit large, but it ought to be possible to build a mobile transporter for it. I'm not sure what the loading gauge for the Zebra rail network is, but at least some portions would likely be suitable. And we could mount some on ships, too (Though naves s (submarines) might be problematic; the SACII can't launch from underwater, and the capsule would probably have to be canted up a bit to prevent the missile from shooting straight into the sea. Though I suppose that with the right arrangements of floats, the capsule could be released to the surface… Okay, so SACII-armed naves s are go too!).
Thank you! I'll edit the DA page once I finish this post.

It'd mostly be the M.o.I. behind the propaganda, but yeah, the M.o.M. would be really good at enforcing it.

I seem to recall Katt stating that in FoE that the M.o.I worked through other ministries not by itself so anti-Zebra propaganda would be put up by M.o.M. ponies even if the design work and slogans were pure M.o.I?

Well, I'm not sure who'd be putting up the posters (Morale is probably a good bet, though), but yeah, IIRC they wouldn't be blatantly by the M.o.I.

Also, I disagree about the US painting the Soviets as just as bad (though I realize that, having been born in 1990, I might be getting this wrong). The US couldn't deny that the Soviets were at least the same species. It could paint them as depraved, stupid, immoral, blood-hungry dirty commie bastards, but at the end of the day it had to be admitted that they were also humans, that they had the same potentials, the same average capacity for reason, and, if one was Christian (an important thing in the US at the time), the same sort of souls and…redeemable-ness (I don't know that much about the intricacies of Christianity)? Equestria doesn't have those restrictions. Zebras are a different species, one most ponies have no experience with; who's to say that they aren't just inherently more, to roll a bunch of traits into one, evil? And as for the religion angle, if it ever comes up, Equestria is being led in the war by the living goddesses of the sun and the moon who chose the ponies as their people.
Or am I just being sadly optimistic about Cold War American propaganda?

Your being sadly optimistic about cold war American propaganda, did you forget totally about McCarthyism and his lists of secret Communists and Communists Sympathizers?
Or this quick Google searching for a piece from Design-Daily It's a good read
For further fun you have this 1961 Comic book about... Communism!

You were born in the 90s, I was born in the 80s, I knew a time before the Wall came down even if it was a short time. I have friends who were born in the midst of the Red Scare and practiced the drills.

From 1949 to 1965 were bad years in America for anti-communist propaganda, or rather they were great years because everywhere you turned in movies, in comic books, in radio dramas and later TV shows the Commies were featured as pretty much the villain of every piece.

…Ah. Yeah, like I said, I'm learning a lot from you. In this case, I've learnt that I need to shove my opinion of human nature down a bit more.

No, unfortunately. Here's all the information we have on its history, copied from FoEc29:

No exact timeline, could be before or after Gardens. But considering she threw herself totally into IMP and Alicorn creation project we can project at least that Celestia-One was prior to her focuses on making Alicorns. So I'll ask another question, do we know when THAT project kicked off?

Hm… I don't think so, I'm afraid. I got the impression, though, that C1 wasn't something that Twilight had been personally working on anyway.

And that's another thing; a properly equipped cruise missile could potentially dodge and then get right back on course. Let's see a ballistic missile do that.

For some reason I read that and instantly pictured Daring Do fighting Zebra's with flying Talisms while standing atop a cruise missile as she tries to smash the flaps and rudder

Heeheehee. You can send that in to whatever Equestria's version of Republic Pictures is...

I'm afraid that I don't really understand what you're trying to say here.

Okay let me clarify

Lets say it's year X of the war, we don't have megaspells but we do have conventional kaboom spells. Simple high explosives which the Zebras being mixologists should have plenty of. So the Zebra's decided they want to be able to bombard a battlefield with them but they don't have a quick and easy method of getting the boom to the ponies. So they develop rockets able to toss them from outside the battlefield. Only problem is Pegasuses knocking them down in flight and easily tracking back the smoke trails to the launchers. So they build longer range rockets and simply toss more rockets than the Pegasuses can knock down and toss in Gryphon mercs to keep the Pegasuses busy. Now then some bright Zebra runs across a targeting talisman they are using in Robots and says what if we stuck this on a rocket? So they do so, bang you got a cruise missile. Then you can use something like this

This is a Wurfgerate 41

A simple wooden crate which acts as both the transport frame and can be used as a rough firing platform. Imagine a traincar stacked with these, a little bit different looking because they will be longer ranged and have a targeting talisman on the nose. Now imagine the Zebra's are fighting the Ponies somewhere, the traincar gets unloaded someplace far from the fighting and the little frames are broken up and hauled into any handy open field which is pre-sited. The head of Zebra artillery in that division quickly via the targeting talisman designates where the missiles are going from, and to where they are landing by dead rec (IE fly up 100 feet, go east for 20 miles then fall down and run into something) then woosh off they go to prove that once again that as they said during WWI, all know that infantry is the Queen of battle, Artillery is King and we all know what the King does to the Queen.

Now fast forward a few years, the Zebras are already using massed conventional artillery and along come megaspells. So with a little bit of retooling they take one of the larger designs (Lets say instead of the train car carrying two hundred missiles it only caries two. I wish I had a picture to show you the size difference between a 210mm artillery rocket and the 320mm designs and the experimental 480mm that never got usage, I don't so use your imagination. So lets say you have the extra large cruise missiles, so your building hundreds of the things to open battles and batter down defenses. Hoofingtons defenses already sound half anti-air half ABM as it is making good sense if the Zebras could throw four hundred missiles at a target plus dragons.

But off topic again, imagine your already throwing around big conventional rockets at targets. Now head of Zebra science comes to you and says we have a balefire mega-spell but we need someway to get it closer to the ponies other than bucking it at them and running. So your head of rocketry purposes that they could re-design a existing warhead design to contain the mega-spell and using existing tracking methods to fire it at the enemy.

That would work, more or less, but I doubt that the existing missiles would have quite the right characteristics for the mass strategic deterrent role. Not quite fast enough to launch, not quite long enough range, not quite low-maintenance enough, that sort of thing.
I'd imagine that the SACI was already extant as a niche long-range missile and selected as the best candidate, and then it had lots of money and resources thrown at it and was quickly developed into the purpose-built (but still flexible-warhead) SACII design.

Okay we are starting to reach the limits of theoretical discussion, we've moved from what is possible to what is possible if that is possible and then this is possible.

Pity; this has been quite enjoyable.

In any case, I can count on your support if it comes to that? That's the impression that I've been getting, and one as knowledgeable as you would be a very fine addition to the cause.

What I meant was what I was just talking about with the post above.

1. I assumed the Zebras had some form of rocket based or cannon based artillery and that fighting was not nothing but mouth guns and battle saddles and tanks for the Zebras
2. I then assumed the Zebra's had extensive rocket artillery modeled after one of the most idiot proof designs in history that also happened to be horribly inaccurate and only worked when fired in mass volleys
3. I then assumed they solved those issues via literal magic (Targeting talismans)


That's what I mean assumption of an assumption of an assumption. If any previous assumption falls apart then my entire chain of logic to my end explanation falls apart to. If you go beyond one you can easily explain away anything as anything else. I'm even outside headcannon now into pure speculation.

A note that's also important above, though: I very much doubt that they were actual Equestria-style targeting talismans, since those would use gems. (Who knows, though; maybe the Zebras developed biocomputer targeting systems based on relatives of poison joke?)

I'll assume that I do have your support, as that does seem to be where the trend is pointing.

This has been a very fun and educational conversation; if you want to talk to me about anything else in the future, feel free; the forum ought to even let you email me.

You mean CARE.

?

CARE is Equestria's version of MAD.

As I walked around the table to get a closer look, I spied the far wall where a chalkboard hung between two monitors. The meeting room had been designed for multi-media presentations. Amongst the strange diagrams, the chalkboard bore four words written in bold yellow chalk, save that the first letter of each word was pink.
Communally
Assured
Reciprocal
Existence
I felt weak. “Oh… oh, poor Fluttershy…” I stumbled and sat in a chair.
--FOE ch. 37

Ah, thank you.

How would the warheads be switched out on missiles already in place? Wouldn't that risk wasting missiles? And doesn't it still have the problem of "Hm, their balefire bomb stocks are decreasing and we've seen workers moving around in the fields of strategic missiles pointed at our cities"?

Erm? Not a bit. A truck drives up, they throw up a tent and remove the conventional warhead from a missile. They pull an externally identical balefire warhead out of the truck, put it on the missile, shove the old warhead in the truck, and drive it away. Now one of several dozen launch sites is nuclear-armed, and Equestria can't tell which one to burn first. It doesn't prevent them from knowing there ARE balefire bombs, it conceals which sites are the priority targets.

Leaving out the difficulty of making the switch, you're still building a bunch a the missiles and using them at far less than their capacity. Decoy fields would conceal the primary targets just as well (if not better due to the absence of post-installation work needed to execute the deception), except that the only resources spend on decoys are big metal boxes, some weights, and a dummy data port. All much, much cheaper than a fully operational missile.

[Kippershy]

[quote="O. Hinds"][quote="Cptadder"]

Or this quick Google searching for a piece from Design-Daily It's a good read
For further fun you have this 1961 Comic book about... Communism!

You were born in the 90s, I was born in the 80s, I knew a time before the Wall came down even if it was a short time. I have friends who were born in the midst of the Red Scare and practiced the drills.

You were born in the 90's?
I thought Sombers whole team were like, 30+?

Not that it really matters, just surprising if true.

[Guest]

@Somber (chapters!)
Yay! I'm excited about this.

@O. Hinds (Cold War lowering opinion of humanity)
D'you know what went on in Argentina? I heard stories from a friend who studied the place for the better part of a semester. It's not just how we demonized our enemies; it's the people we called our friends. The people we put and kept in power.

[Kippershy]

Oh, unrelated; but did you ever read any more of broken bonds? I found your commentary helpful and hilarious, but haven't seen more from you in a while.
not trying to push you into doing so, just curious is all.

Oh, I absolutely started on the next commentary.
Then Derpmind came on and he was all "Uh! You gotta read all of Murky Number Seven before the 15th or we'll ruin it all for you! *various growling and gnashing of teeth*"

So then I had to stop and do that T_T

I will absolutely get back to that ASAP. I just started the latest chapter.
In the meantime go beat him up. He is a scary bad man.

Haha, that's fine. =3

Derpmind eh?
DERP, DERP, GET HERE DERP. IT'S CLOBBERIN' TIME.

[O. Hinds]

You were born in the 90's?
I thought Sombers whole team were like, 30+?

Not that it really matters, just surprising if true.

Nope. I can't speak for the others, but I'm twenty-one at present.

@Somber (chapters!)
@O. Hinds (Cold War lowering opinion of humanity)
D'you know what went on in Argentina? I heard stories from a friend who studied the place for the better part of a semester. It's not just how we demonized our enemies; it's the people we called our friends. The people we put and kept in power.

I'm not that familiar with Argentina, I'm afraid.

[Kippershy]

You were born in the 90's?
I thought Sombers whole team were like, 30+?

Not that it really matters, just surprising if true.

Nope. I can't speak for the others, but I'm twenty-one at present.

Mind if I do the whole day/month thing? I gotta find out!

12th March.

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