Re: [Official!] Project Horizons Comment Crew Chat thread.

[Guest]

I still don't think it's the school's responsibility. If there are things you're interested in but are unsure of there are places besides highschool to educate yourself.

[Katarn]

Well, we had ed about AIDS and something..I believe..we had something when we gone through human anatomy, but that's it.

[cb5]

that's for the schools to do. They do a shite job of it, but it really should be in there. And I don't just mean "here's how to wear a condom," I mean... some actual bloody theory and stuff, y'know? It'd be distasteful to folks, but sex ed should not fade to black during actual sex.

I'd have to disagree. Wasting class time on something like that seems ridiculous to me. I think if you're already being that intimate with someone there's no reason to be shy on teaching your partner how to please you.

Thoughts:

@Eclairs
That's unhygenic, surely. And the ratio of cream to pastry seems off...

The sad thing is you're pretty damn right about this.  We should teach in sex ed not only stuff like "you have sex and babies pop out", but actually teach people that pornography isn't real life sex, safe practice of kinks, and a million other things and such cause unfortunately I've ran into to many people that didn't know a damn thing about sex at all other than "penis goes in vagina".

Society needs to get kicked in the balls by reality and realize that just cause you're hush hush about something doesn't mean it goes away.  Why do you think humans have so many stds?  Cause people are stupid about sex and think that not talking about sex will magically cure someone of having hiv.

Teaching people to use condoms and "no means no" should be day 1 sex education, but I graduated in 2008 the level of sex education the current generation is practically abysmally bad and that how screwed up our societies are when it comes to all the problems with sex can probably be attributed to how badly we teach newer generations about their bodies.

Teaching people that pornography is not real life and that your real life sexual encounters is way different should be day 2 sex education cause unfortunately we have people that grow into adults not understanding what "no means no" cause they've never been taught by anyone what that means.  Sure to us it seems obvious, but when a adult's full sexual education was from a porno yeah that's going to cause problems.  And you know what's worse?  Unfortunately people do try to act out their porn videos and if it's a sexual kink that can be dangerous they may die.  If someone doesn't know why autoerotic asphyxiation is dangerous then what are the chances they'll live to tell the tale?

If anything sex education needs to not only teach about the basics, such as condoms, safe sex, no means no, and such, but they need to teach them that porn isn't real life, that fetishes can be dangerous if done improperly, sex vs gender, that you need a safe word, that you need to understand why a kink may be dangerous, as well as how some fetishes aren't like in pornos and how a million different things can't actually be done safely in real life.

The sad thing is that there have been cases of people dying from doing something stupid sex wise or harming others.  The fact that people have tried acting out being on the receiving end of snuff(they killed themselves) and bug catchers(people that think stds are sexy) is proof enough that the sex education that newer generations is receiving is not even close to adequate.  The fact that sex education doesn't even so much as teach people to not kill themselves to fulfill their sexual fantasies is automatic they fail at teaching and life in general.


I'm not saying that sex ed classes should watch pornos in class, but rather actually talk about this so that when they do become sexually active they don't go around doing stupid stuff that gets them a std/in a relationship they hate out of wedlock from not knowing what a condom is/getting a std/in a abusive relationship or DEAD.

I still don't think it's the school's responsibility. If there are things you're interested in but are unsure of there are places besides highschool to educate yourself.

Yeah and most of those kids look at pornos to learn about sex. What do you think is going to happen?

[Guest]

More things and thoughts:

I'm willing to drop this if you're feeling henpecked or don't want to talk about it more, btw. It's all theory, anyway, none of this is going to change in the next decade, minimum, and if it does, I'm not going to be the one changing it, so... yeah.

[Guest]

@cb5

Their partner has some unsatisfying sex? I was taught about STDs and proper condom use in 5th grade. I wasn't suggesting you should learn from porn. Despite what's said here there are other places to learn, like books. Sex is not new I'm sure a few people have written on the subject.

And honestly as an adult if you don't understand the difference between consentual and non consentual sex I don't think one more person telling you "no means no" will change anything. I highly doubt one more "no means no" would prevent you from being that kind of scum if your parents and society failed to.

[Guest]

Look OAC I just don't think it should be taught there. Sure things like "Don't choke yourself that'll kill you" should be taught. And maybe a teacher could be free to assign some optional reading, but in the classroom let's make sure the kids can do the maths and the readings.

[Guest]

REALLY LONG and Wall of Text-y thoughts:

And that, I think, really is all I have to say about that. Really living up to my name tonight, oy vey. Last, this wasn't really directed at you so much, it turned into a disorganized essay more than anything else as I explored what I actually thought about sexual education, and why. Maybe "manifesto" fits it better. Others probably could put it better than I have, and could add on more; this is just my own thoughts on the matter, and my experiences.

Sooo... how 'bout them New England Patriots? I see they beat the Buffalo Bills, that's... good, and stuff and things. My dad'll be happy about that, for sure.

[Guest]

Just so you know OAC I don't disagree with everything you're saying. But that being said I think you're jumping from topic to topic. This discussion began with whether or not teaching students how to properly please their partners should be part of a school's curriculum. That is what I'm disagreeing with.

As far as drug use effecting consent goes, I don't think that's strictly a sex talk. I think that falls more under knowing the effects of mind altering substances on your body and how to deal with those effects.

[Guest]

@Last
I... don't think I was ever talking about that, really, if I'm understanding what you mean. "Not technique" early on was meant to mean that. Understanding that pleasing your partner is kinda important should probably be said, but not like... I dunno, tongue movement practice. Sorry if I failed to be properly clear on that.

And aye, it's not strictly a sex talk, but unfortunately America's got a problem with drinking 'cos it's illegal to do so under 21, and that doesn't stop people from doing so anyway, because of arbitrary veiling and culture and stuff, and 'cos it's illegal that means it's generally unsupervised and going on at parties, and 'cos it's illegal that means people don't know their tolerance yet because they haven't experimented with it in a safe place, and, well, you end up with people black-out drunk being taken to someone's apartment. And of course the policy on underage drinking education is "Not even once!" so, y'know, that's completely worthless. Understanding that a drunk person can't give informed consent is good, and understanding that drunk friends are more vulnerable is good; understanding that getting so smashed that you can't make good decisions, or walk, is really bad for you is also good. But, unfortunately, you can't assume that everyone is going to know or act on the latter, and thus the former two things become more important.

EDIT: Exploring Human Sexuality. It could be a semester-long (or year-long) course taken after standard health class. Interdisciplinary, covering theory (emphasis on modern stuff; Freud was a fraud), media depictions (and critical analysis of said) (by media I mean both pop culture and stuff like Song of Myself and Ulysses), history, and recent news. Definitely would be easy to pull off at the college level; a bit more difficult at the high school level, but still, I think, doable.

[Kippershy]

camobait:

[Harmony Ltd.]

I was reminded today that this song exist :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST2H8FWDvEA

And remembered that I loved it.


Gotta admit, hearing it first without knowing it was from the movie, I asked myself " allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"what NIN song is that again ?..."


Hmm... Wasn't it also in World War Z ?

[Frost]

Have I mentioned Fuck Bureaucracy? Because Fuck Bureaucracy. My ship date's been moved from the 24th of this month to the 15th of next month.

[Guest]

Damn that sucks, Frost. Fucking paper work always fucking that shit up.

[Kippershy]

I was reminded today that this song exist :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST2H8FWDvEA

And remembered that I loved it.


Gotta admit, hearing it first without knowing it was from the movie, I asked myself " allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"what NIN song is that again ?..."


Hmm... Wasn't it also in World War Z ?

I was thinking about this song only yesterday, I believe. I fucking ADORE it and plan to actually use it in my fic because I'm cheap like that.

[Kippershy]

Oh, and by the way. Having an 80% chance of having torn your shoulder muscles... NOT FUCKING GOOD.

[Frost]

Damn, Kip, what happened?

[Kippershy]

Believe it or not... I lifted a single box of butter (12kg's worth) above my head using completely standard lifting technique and that's all it took for it to damage.
I'm certain it's ripped, but without absolute confirmation, it could just be a pull. Still, I've had pulled muscles and they don't hurt this much... never before have I been feeling this amount of pain from a pulled muscle.

[Frost]

Weird shit like that happens. My mom took a normal step while playing volleyball and her foot folded right the fuck in half. Took three surgeries to repair the damage.

[Kippershy]

Weirdest thing is, you never even see it coming. I wasn't aware of any prior strain in my shoulders. They weren't sore in the least.
If I was doing something -heavy-, sure. But a single crate of butter?
I'm just glad I didn't drop it everywhere.

[Harmony Ltd.]

I can't believe it's butter.

[Kippershy]

I can't believe it's butter.

If I remember correctly actually, it very well may have been I can't believe it's not butter that I was putting on the shelf...

[Harmony Ltd.]

See ? Margarine isn't healthy for you.

[Katarn]

Speaking of which..what's the difference for you between butter and margarine?

We use butter for sandwiches and for cooking on frying pan, while margarine mostly in baking.

[Kippershy]

Butter is from milk, margarine is from vegetable oils, I believe.

[Kippershy]

Oh, anyone else playing the Zafehouse: Diaries?
Fucking amazing game, if you ask me. A steep learning curve, but very fun once you're into it - and the custom creation mode makes it so you can be so much more attached to your characters and settings.

[Frost]

See ? Margarine isn't healthy for you.

Man, people say jogging's good for you, but it's really not. I had a friend who jogged every day of his life; died at 32. Got hit by a bus while he was out jogging.

[Harmony Ltd.]

Speaking of which..what's the difference for you between butter and margarine?

We use butter for sandwiches and for cooking on frying pan, while margarine mostly in baking.

Butter is made from milk, margarine is mostly vegetable oil.

It is indeed recommended to use margarine preferentially for cooking, as it produce less carcinogenic by-products when cooked than butter. Outside of cooking, though, butter would tend to be healthier (in reasonable quantities, of course : it's still fat). Of note, butter contain Vitamin A.

[Downloaded Skill]

I could elaborate a little more thoroughly on the differences. Margarine is composed of partially hydrogenated vegetable oils. While it is advertised as better for you than butter that really isn't the case. Treating the vegetable oils with hydrogen creates less saturated fat than butter, but also creates trans fats. The different kinds of fats have different relationships with Cholesterol. Unsaturated fats increase good cholesterol (I can't quite remember the names atm), saturated fats increase bad cholesterol, and trans fats decrease good cholesterol and increase bad cholesterol. The bad cholesterol is associated with heart disease while good cholesterol is associated with heart health.

Margarine still has its uses though. I believe it doesn't melt at the same temperatures butter would so it is useful in baking but over all I'd say butter is healthier, for what that's worth considering it's still fat, than margarine. With butter you get some vitamins, calcium, and less negative fats compared to margarine.

[Valikdu]

Do you guys remember this old art?

saucy:

So, um... This:

the picture came to life!:

[Frost]

Again, meh. Not really a fan of the pictures where the characters just stand around in lingerie in everyday situations, as if that's a thing that anyone actually does.

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