Re: [Official!] Project Horizons Comment Crew Chat thread.

[Cptadder]

Dead Money is a place that you hate and fear, and that's exactly what you paid for so it's great.

As opposed to the Pitt, which was advertised as a large area filled with complex branching plots and grey moral decisions, but instead was nothing but a shitty maze and a single roailroaded quest.

Exactly, the Pitt at it's heart is boring, there's nothing to do and your locked in 90% of the time with something you need to do RIGHT NOW. By contrast you have several very clear points in Dead Money were you can say "yeah whatever" and start stealing everything not nailed down. At least until you find a hammer to start stealing the stuff that is nailed down... and the nails.

Dead Money had atmosphere, the Pitt had slavers and the only bit that was interesting was the bridge of landmines and the dead sections of the city. But I only visited there once to get the ingots and after that who cares the trogs were easy as heck to kill.

[Harmony Ltd.]

Not exactly music game, but I think I've found the perfect "theme" regarding Littlepip's feeling for Velvet Remedy before she "grew up" of it and found Homage :

Vera Lynn - I had the craziest dream

Lyrics:

I just imagine this playing in LP's earbud while they're walking toward ManeHatten / ManeHattan / however the fuck you spell that, with Velvet and Calamity walking a few yards ahead ; LP being lost in her thoughts, her eyes inadvertently locked on Velvet's rump.

[CamoBadger]

I still wish she'd been shipped with Calamity instead. Would've been so much better than whatever that shit with Homage was.

[Harmony Ltd.]

See, I've heard a lot of people criticize the romance aspect of FoE, and the LP / Velvet & LP / Homage relationships in particular, and maybe it's the fact I've only read it once and quite a long time ago now, but I don't get the airquote hate end-airquote surrounding it.

Would you mind explaining to me your point of view ?

[Ketchup]

I'm more of the one to think that they hooked up because of common morals(ish) and there simply being nobody else.

[CamoBadger]

It's not an actual relationship, yet it's portrayed that they're deeply in love.
They just have sex constantly whenever they meet up, but we're expected to believe that they love each other so much and that they're an amazing couple and that Lil'Pip is giving up so much by going into the SPP because she's losing her true love after they've only seen each other like 3 times in the story. (by the way, that's more bullshit because Homage is able to go see her whenever. So much for 'ultimate sacrifice'.)

[IncoherentOrange]

The development is nearly nonexistent. It just happens. It seems to me almost like Kkat thought that 'Pip required a romantic partner after pairing Calamity and Velvet.
Seems kind of extraneous, but it isn't really jarring to me.

[Kippershy]

Hey Camo, once you've read the latest chapter of PH< I got something to ask of you.

[Downloaded Skill]

Eh, my interpretation is that Homage really didn't love Pip, but more respected the ideals Littlepip has. Partly also as a way to humor herself. Homage clearly enjoyed embarrassing Pip and the jokes cracked at her expense. Pip just reads more into it out of lack of familiarity with relationships, seeing as how she has a friendless background. She associates love with sex when it isn't the case.

[Valikdu]

You know what would be real funny?

So, we see the ending of 3.13, Twilight flies at the camera and... this.

[CamoBadger]

Hey Camo, once you've read the latest chapter of PH< I got something to ask of you.

That'll be a long while. I'm still on ch40...soooo, just go ahead and PM me the question. Don't worry about spoiling anything, I already know most of what happens after the point I'm on.

[Kippershy]

Oh, on the matter of the Failpip "romance" in the original...

Why the hell do you think romance has such a strong focus in my own story?
...no, it's not because I'm a pervert. BAD ANSWER, BAD.
(Well, yes, I AM a pervert but that's not the reason.)

It's a mixture of general storyline but just as much so the fact that no other story really handles romance well in FOE stories.


All That Remains has some good scenes for Felix but it's not been a proper, full on romance for him. Just a few crushes which lead to something sweet / adorable.

Aside from that, I once believed in PH and the potential between BJ/Glory but these days it's just... there's basically nothing there between them aside from BJ doing what she does and the romance never gets any focus for, you know, actual romance.

Which reminds me, I need to add more actual screentime of actual romance.

[CamoBadger]

*smacks with a newspaper* BAD KIPPER! You do not compare my story to others. It's not nearly good enough for that.

[Stringtheory]

*smacks with a newspaper* BAD KIPPER! You do not compare my story to others. It's not nearly good enough for that.

But it really is that good...

[OneMoreDaySK]

Huh, found something curious:

Spoiler:

[Kippershy]

*smacks with a newspaper* BAD KIPPER! You do not compare my story to others. It's not nearly good enough for that.

Personally I think your story is better than my own in it's ways.
I mean, sure, I've got the bigger storyline (in terms of scale) (which, isn't better by default may I add) and I've got a more focused romance aspect, but you handle description, characters and general writing style better than my own.

So yeah, your story is definitely good enough for that. Also, I'm still peeved that they've not added your fic to the Fallout Equestria related fics page for mini spotlight.
I also tried to get it onto the bi-weekly feature for the other group, but came in too late and found out you'd already put my story up for it. That caused some lulz when I noticed and was like WAITWUT

[Sindri]

It's not an actual relationship, yet it's portrayed that they're deeply in love.
They just have sex constantly whenever they meet up, but we're expected to believe that they love each other so much and that they're an amazing couple and that Lil'Pip is giving up so much by going into the SPP because she's losing her true love after they've only seen each other like 3 times in the story. (by the way, that's more bullshit because Homage is able to go see her whenever. So much for 'ultimate sacrifice'.)

Homage was looking for a hero, somepony to look up to and offer her love to and support and maybe make things better by proxy. Littlepip was looking for someone who was female and interested, and needed somepony to fight for and to relieve stress with. They both found what they were looking for, what they wanted and what they needed, in each other.
Was it "true love?" Maybe not.
Did they ever end up falling in love with each other, or just declare themselves to be in a relationship and force it to work? Dunno, we saw very little of their relationship.
Looking at it objectively, it's hardly "romantic" at all. A couple of friends, in one of their brief moments of respite from constant horror and death, noticed that they were sexually compatible and probably the best chance they'd ever have at a relationship, and proceeded to fuck desperately because they both knew they'd likely never get another chance.
Is it the healthiest basis of a relationship in human terms? Eenope.
But in the Wasteland? It's a great deal better a basis than most. Options are limited, and anypony who waits around for some idealized "true love" is going to die cold and alone, and probably sooner rather than later. Not everypony can be as lucky as Velvet and Calamity.


Aaand I made myself sad.

[Kippershy]

Okay, I've got an answer to all of this:

Homage was looking for a hero, somepony to look
up to and offer her love

Littlepip was looking for someone who was female and interested,
and needed somepony to fight for and to relieve stress with.

What they loved was what they could provide each-other, more so than one another themselves.
Littlepip provided Homage with hope, hope for a new future - a better future.
Because of this, she gave LP all her love in the form of eating pip out constantly as to show how she appreciated the idea of a better world.
LP was her thing to cling to, her hope.

LP needed someone to fuck, badly. She needed someone to fuck and someone to look forward to (and fuck).
She found that in Homage and thus when Homage said "if you're a good pony, I'll love you" she saw "if you're a good pony, I'll fuck you."

She was holding onto the hope of someone to be there for her more than anything else. Someone to eat her out constantly.


That is why they went hand in hand, they were both able to provide just what the other was after.

[Harmony Ltd.]

Well, maybe it's because from my point of view, you do with what you have and try to build your happiness from there instead of constantly hoping for a better deal, but I don't see the fact that both Homage and Littlepip were desperate to be with someone else as a bad thing story-wise. In fact, treated well this could even be a very interesting plot point.


Edit : also, what Kipper said.

[Ironmonger]

Kipper's explanations are always amusing.

[Kippershy]

Hahha. I'm glad you think so.
I just say it how it really is.

[Harmony Ltd.]

Well shit, it seems like I'm an alicorn now.

whoop-dee-fucking-doo

[Downloaded Skill]

Well shit, it seems like I'm an alicorn now.

whoop-dee-fucking-doo

Babsicorn. Make it happen.

[tylertoon2]

I think it was really just about Homage.
She'd seen so many other heroes fail in the past, her last love being one of them.
She wanted to encourage Littlepip so, yeah, she gave her a lay.
It then became all about paying her back for all the amazing things she'd do... first and foremost, simply staying alive.

Littlepip never really thought about it. Their relationship was just something that happened to her. Every step of it was Homage and Littlepip really just enjoyed it without thinking much about it, liking to feel wanted and etc.
Even in the end her relationship was still kinda hollow, Homage taking the lead.

Littlepip never NEEDED someone to fuck. She wanted one, most teens do. They eventually mature out of it. She wanted someone to give her the time of day, make her feel wanted and desirable as opposed to being a misfit, but... these were feelings she would have grown out of in her own stable, eventually. One does not stay perpetually in puberty like that.

But now that Homage has basically claimed her, Littlepip is passive enough to just go with it. It's nice. Littlepip honestly would do anything for Homage, but yeah... it's not really love. It's not a connection on any personal level beyond sexual intimacy, and I don't think it would hold up if they actually had to live with each other, let alone if Littlepip still had any options, all twisted up and lonely in the SPP, only visit-able through being burned alive.

Annnnnnnd I'm sad now.
I agree with everyone that it was way too short for anything to be meaningful. But ya know the wasteland.

To be completely honest though I could see it working out for them if they had more time together. Then again I think I should leave it to those who have more experience in such matters.


I will continue to say however how absolutely adorable they are and THAT OVERRIDES ALL OPINIONS!

[Moodyman90]

Yeah, but then you have to think about how many of those heroes took the time to actually seek out Pon3, let alone Homage.

[Ketchup]

I think she said something about Pip being 'special'.
What that means for her promiscuity is unknown to me.

[tylertoon2]

Why sad?
It's still something. More than either of them would have had, otherwise.

You just gotta wonder how many other would-be heroes Homage had tried to similarly comfort. I wouldn't think a lot but, given how quickly she shacked up with LP, I certainly don't think that was the first.

Because she, like Spike, had seen many heroes in their time.

Sorry I'm just a Teenager who knows the adult standards of love. But I can't help but getting sad when that is pointed out, that and I'm a sucker for lovey dovey shit and I thought of Lilpip and Homage as a lot more than it really is.

I'm pretty sure she was the first since Jokeblue at least.
Somewhere when they were in Zecora's Hut, Pip was talking to Life Bloom about Homage, He talked about how she had been hurting since her death and that he was glad to see Homage to have someone new. So I'm pretty sure he would of mentioned if she had been banging every hero that came her way.

Edit: sorry for the rambling

Also my tounge is burnt from eating wicked hot chili earlier, anyone got any ideas to help burnt tongue

[Sindri]

Also my tounge is burnt from eating wicked hot chili earlier, anyone got any ideas to help burnt tongue

Milk is good. Yogurt is better. If you have low-acid orange juice that's also nice. Or you can use wasabi to just cut off sensation from your mouth for a while.

[tylertoon2]

Also my tounge is burnt from eating wicked hot chili earlier, anyone got any ideas to help burnt tongue

Milk is good. Yogurt is better. If you have low-acid orange juice that's also nice. Or you can use wasabi to just cut off sensation from your mouth for a while.

Orange juice did help! Thankiees!

[Sindri]

Orange juice did help! Thankiees!

I was helpful!


...
I should probably go to bed. I'm slipping into the wacky phase of sleep deprivation.

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