Re: [Fallout Equestria] Setting discussions

[Vinylshadow]

Except that foreigners get shot on sight now; after all, they tried opening up once, and then they had to spend two centuries rebuilding.

Dunno, kinda reminded me of the fact Boomers bomb the ever-loving daylights out of anyone unless you either run like mad by adjusting "player.setav speedmult" or hugging the fence

[O. Hinds]

Dunno, kinda reminded me of the fact Boomers bomb the ever-loving daylights out of anyone unless you either run like mad by adjusting "player.setav speedmult" or hugging the fence

But there's not really much similarity besides the isolationism, is there?

[Vinylshadow]

And shooting (most) foreigners on sight

....or blasting the living daylights out of 'em

Save trouble by killing it before it even gets near you, although you do run the risk of killing someone important and sparking a fight anyway

[Harmony Ltd.]

This may become useful at one point or another:

http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/04/22/anywhere-but-here-kowloon-city/

[Vinylshadow]

Walled City?

Doesn't that pretty much sum up every major populated city in the Wasteland?

[Harmony Ltd.]

More the extremely high population density shantytown.

[O. Hinds]

Hm... I'm not sure where we could put Kowloon, but yeah, it's cool. Possibly somewhere in Manehattan?

[Vinylshadow]

One of the suburbs of Manehatten, possibly?

[Harmony Ltd.]

If it's somewhere in Manehatten, it's probably in the borough of Princesses Heights.

OR, this may actually be the thing we talked about earlier, regarding the squatters occupying a portion of the terrain in the Balefire Crater, which is destined to be eventually occupied by the War Memorial.

Though we'd have to come up with a plausible reason as to why people would come and stack themselves up like that, here of all places, when there's whole blocks that have been freed up all around the city by the reclamation efforts, and housing is almost free for the lower classes (so subsidized it could as well be). Though said housing is the bare minimum in term of features provided (single room apartments with individual drinking water taps and electricity, and toilets which are common for the whole floor; and that's it), and tend to be heavily controlled by the law enforcement apparatus of the NCR (like, you have to signal yourself to the guardian when you go in or out of the building).


So, most probably, it's somewhere in Princesses Heights. Maybe a building block or two next to A-Town? Like, a neighbourhood so bad the police won't even go there? Though a thing like that just right next to A-Town, when the thing is supposed to be one of the major touristic attraction of the city, with the borough of Tenpony (think a slightly watered down version of the Strip)? That could be... interesting.

Though we have to keep in mind that there aren't more than something like 50,000 people in the whole of the Greater Manehatten Metropolitan Area in 30 SR, so anything like that will most probably be pretty limited in objective size.


Another possibility, if we can't set it in the "present" (30 SR) would be to put it in the past. There's several possibilities:

- Friendship city could fit, maybe. until it get destroyed at least.
- Maybe another settlement in the Metropolitan Area, that got destroyed by the Bitters during the war /OR/ evacuated and demolished by the NCR during the Reclamation efforts.
- Probably not Zebratown, but some sort of similar ghetto full of Zebra during the Great War and other racial / ethnic minorities, and all sort of disenfranchised people. Though given how totalitarian Equestria had become you have to wonder how they could have let something like that happen under their nose. Maybe it was supposed to be a social experiment? To try to get Ponies, Zebra and other to live in harmony even during those times of war? And as thus the special territory got left pretty much alone?

[Vinylshadow]

Ghoul Pony settlement in Balefire Crater perhaps?

Or it can be a settlement around Black Pony Mountain...wait, there's nothing of interest there, it's just a hunk of rock


Or we could make it a multi-species community

Ponies, Zebras, Ghouls Griffons and whatever else living in peace until some idiotic Stable Dweller stumbles into town and messes everything up like they usually do

....

Do Griffon Ghouls exist?

[Harmony Ltd.]

Until elements proving to the contrary, ghoul pretty much everything exist: from ponies to dragons, as long as the conditions for ghoulification have been met, it's just a matter or winning (or losing, depending or your point of view) the statistical gamble that would be "die of radiation poisoning or become a ghoul".

Though I wonder if we should work on trying to clarify the mechanism behind ghoulification, or let it at the reader's own judgment?

[Vinylshadow]

Nah, don't give out a reason for it

that just makes it harder to write Ghoul-centric fics

Because if you give out strict guidelines for Ghoulification, that limits where writers can place their characters

Somewhere, there's a Stable that was designed to let in just enough radiation to create Ghouls...

Or did that already happen?

[O. Hinds]

Hm, Friendship city. That could work!

[Icy Shake]

That'd be a hard thing to plan, since it would require some good knowledge of where and how large the attacks would be, and in order for the plan to work, you'd really need to make sure the residents were inside before the attacks happened, or else there would be a lot of variation in exposure prior to entry. You might need to limit entry to ponies of similar age and bodymass, as well, though I suppose setting up the quarters so that they are segregated by risk factors to optimize exposure could work, too. I'm also not sure that the possibility of ghoulification was known before the end. Going beyond that, isn't it still kind of a crapshoot whether you become a ghoul or not, even with the right conditions? If so, that's planning on a high attrition rate within the stable, and I don't think, for all of Stable-Tec's failures, that was the kind of experiment they were going for.
Basically, it might work better as an accident, a la Stable One.

[Harmony Ltd.]

It wasn't voluntary, but the demonstration stable in Geneighva did just that. It helped that it was crammed full with autodocs and other high-end medical techs.

[Vinylshadow]

Autodocs specifically engineered to help maintain the same amount of radiation levels in ponies?

Can't really see that ever-ending well though

just like almost every other Stable, to be honest

[Harmony Ltd.]

no, just your regular, run-of-the-mill autodoc.

with people getting healed by them several time per month to counter the low but steady exposure to radiation they suffer from leaks in the structure: when a bomb blow just right up a stable that hasn't been put too deep underground, even your typical Equestrian Overengineering can't avoid a number of cracks appearing everywhere in the concrete, letting radiation in with water from the water-table.

Good point for the stable dwellers, as they were in the Demonstration Stable, it was crammed full with all of the latest toys, and there wasn't exactly an experiment (or rather, the experiment was "what happen when you put privileged people in a stable crammed full with all the latest advances in medical technology?"). Its sister stable (so to speak, it was more of a utility stable, belonging to Stable-Tec itself, and not an "experiment" stable), a dozen or so kilometers away in the suburbs of Geneighva, was the one that got all the machine shops and blueprints to build all of Stable-tec designs (maybe even Crusader maneframes, with the right raw materials).

[Harmony Ltd.]

If you have several days to kill, you might like reading the first thread and this one from the beginning. Though may be a bit of a daunting task given the sheer quantity of stuff to read that is.

[Vinylshadow]

Pity most of the other Stables were nothing like the Demonstration Stable

"What? Create safe stable (pun intended) environments for ponies to survive in? Naaaaaah, let's make them DEATH TRAPS"

Looking back, Stable-Tec was almost as bad as some of the Ministries at being complete pricks, if not even worse

[O. Hinds]

"What? Create safe stable (pun intended) environments for ponies to survive in? Naaaaaah, let's make them DEATH TRAPS"

Hm.  I don't know.  It's always seemed to me that Stable-Tec was far more genuinely concerned about the stable dwellers, even with the experiments, than Vault-Tec.

edit:
To elaborate, basically, I think that FoE authors ought always to make sure that the experiments really did have a chance, if a small one, to produce a working and in some way superior society.  The "one mare and a crate of puppets" experiment and the like would never fly with them.

edit2:
This stems from differences in goals, really.  Vault-Tec wanted data and didn't care what happened to the vault dwellers so long as they got their data; the actual survival of the vault dwellers wasn't a fundamental concern, and even the control vaults were just that: a control group.
Stable-Tec, by contrast, is focused on the welfare of the stable dwellers.  They don't care about data; they care about making good, functional, and hopefully better societies.  That's why a lot of the Stable-Tec experiments include (usually unused) provisions for stopping the experiment if it goes wrong.  Their equivalents of control vaults weren't a control group (...Actually, were there any besides Stable 2?), they were "Well, we know this nation has flaws, but we also know that it more or less works.  It'll be here if all else fails."

The Vaults weren't meant to save anyone.  The Stables were meant to save everyone, no matter the cost.

edit3: Sorry about all the edits. I'm in a hurry.

[Vinylshadow]

But, of course, ponies grew corrupt and strayed from the path Stable-Tec had planned and doomed their Stables to death

Because nopony is perfect

[Harmony Ltd.]

From years of continual exposure to radiations, the stable-dwellers gradually turned into ghouls. The point at which they discovered their new condition is a bit hazy, given how gradual it was and how not everyone may have affected the same way.

I suppose when people started feeling great the closer they were from radiation hotspots in the stable may have been a hint.

By the way, I've suddenly got a number of interesting ideas on how the Stable population may have dealt with that time period. And how they may have avoided a self-destructing panic.

[Vinylshadow]

What about the Ghouls that went feral?

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