Re: [Fallout Equestria] Setting discussions

[Vinylshadow]

Watch Project Horizons get knocked off target, hit Sombra and prompt him to invade the Wasteland...

[Harmony Ltd.]

We're not sure if Somber went with Hinds' interpretation, but said interpretation is, as I alluded earlier, that the events of the season 3 opening two-parter never happened, that Cadence, if she exist in this setting, wasn't an Alicorn, and that Sombra never existed. The Crystal Kingdom / Empire itself simply having historically been relatively been isolationist.

[Vinylshadow]

Cadence is mentioned once in Project Horizons, on page 2255 (by an apparently outdated PDF that only has 65 chapters) by "Eclipse"

Eclipse actually frowned and rolled her eyes. “Not again. Honestly, why can’t she
simply go stay with Cadence?” Eclipse snorted scornfully, and my shock must have
shown because she immediately coughed and forced a smile. “Ahem. Sorry to
cut this short, but sometimes there’s just no reasoning with my. . . with Princess
Celestia. I’ll get somepony to show you out, my dear.”

[Scienza]

Which sort of reminds me. Do we consider changelings to exist in FoE? Because one of the cool things about them is that if they do exist, it's entirely reasonable to assume that nopony would ever know.

[O. Hinds]

I've been tempted to try ponifying the opening sequence, but my writing would fall far short of what most FoE fics seem to hold themselves to.

Opening sequence?
Oh, of New Vegas?

- El-Dogado ("Dogs dug too deep, and too greedily")

"Dogrado" (which may have just been their capital; I'm forgetting some of my own headcanon here…), but that was kind of the idea, yes. I'm not sure about their destruction being due to their hubris, but I suppose that they might have survived if they'd tried diplomacy with the Northerners.

- The Star-Worshipping Zebra

Eh… Maybe? Northern civilization continued off the Peninsula, though, and what Peninsular works of theirs survived the fall and the years of abandonment was built over by ponies or just lost. They'd definitely fit the "brought down by their hubris" bit, though.
I don't seem to have locally stored the history I wrote on this.
Bah, and after I-don't-know-how-long searching, I still can't find it in the thread. We could do with a better way to archive this stuff.

- show-accurate Crystal Empire (though only in the most superficial sense of "a land lost to time")

We couldn't do that unless we junked this universe's current version of the Crystal Empire.

- Equestria itself??? Though Zebrica would probably be a more accurate candidate, if we go with FoE's description of the effects of the war on the Zebra homeland.

Hm. Equestria or the PR… (Zebrica being the continent, recall)
Maybe? I don't know, though. If either, it would probably be the PR, given its long history and how thoroughly most of its works were erased, but it still seems too recent. It's technically within living memory, after all.

We're not sure if Somber went with Hinds' interpretation

Probably not, but I don't think that he intends to bring the Crystal Empire up again (though I could be wrong).

and that Sombra never existed

Well, Sombra may have existed; he's what I based the ruling class on.

Cadence is mentioned once in Project Horizons, on page 2255 (by an apparently outdated PDF that only has 65 chapters) by "Eclipse"

Aye. I'm not sure that her pony type is ever mentioned, but, whatever PH says, my headcanon has her as a winged unicorn (or horned pegasus, if there's a difference) at most.

Which sort of reminds me. Do we consider changelings to exist in FoE?

Well, this shared headcanon universe does. Have you not read any of Meleagridis's highly entertaining works involving them? :D

[Vinylshadow]

Yeah, I feel like FoE only has the first two seasons considered canon.

Discord mentions that something caused everything to slide away from what we, the audience, consider canon and then Equestria slid towards their kind of industrial revolution and later to war.

I've heard it mentioned that Cadance was a Pegasus before she became an Alicorn, but how and when she changed is never expressly stated.

[O. Hinds]

Discord mentions that something caused everything to slide away from what we, the audience, consider canon and then Equestria slid towards their kind of industrial revolution and later to war.

I consider that speech to be mostly just Discord being Discord.

I've heard it mentioned that Cadance was a Pegasus before she became an Alicorn, but how and when she changed is never expressly stated.

Wasn't that in one of the comics? I might be wrong, though, and I've not read it anyway.

[Vinylshadow]

Yeah, it's mentioned in 'Twilight Sparkle and the Crystal Heart Spell'

The book tells the story of Twilight Sparkle after she'd been made an Alicorn and seeks advice on being a princess. She turns to Cadance, who tells her life story, how as a baby pegasus she was found in the woods by earth ponies, who took her to their village.

blah blah, something about reverse-engineering a love spell and getting adopted by Celestia as her niece

ignore the die roll .-.

[Game Master]

The member 'Vinylshadow' has done the following action : Dices roll

'100 Sides' : 90

[O. Hinds]

A wee bit more inspiration:
I've decided to call the diamond dog empire Bichtlan (likely also referred to as the Bichtlan Empire).  El Dogrado was just the capital.  The last ruler was Emperor Bichtlantecuhtli IX.
(The empire, of course, has some heavy mayincatec influence, in case you the reader had forgotten or are new and didn't see that.)

[Vinylshadow]

'Bich'

Jack would be proud of that word

sheesh, writing the intro to New Vegas with ponies, not even a thousand words

knowing some authors, they'd be able to stretch it out to ten thousand easily

that, and I woudl have no idea where to place it in Equestria and I'm not sure if 'Neighvada Desert' woudl work for it or not


Giving the DD some more background sounds nice

[O. Hinds]

So, it seems that ATR is, unfortunately, dead. I've asked about the possibility of getting an outline of what would have happened, but I have no idea how likely that is.

On the plus side, at least, this will pretty much completely free up that area for us; even with an outline, we'll have a lot of room to work before broad strokes even have to be applied. Though we'll still need to see what the ending of PH does to the Remnant, of course.

[Vinylshadow]

Oh, even if PH wipes out the Remnant, there's no law saying that a cell somewhere didn't survive

[Harmony Ltd.]

Well, the good thing is, now this only leaves PH as the last story we are waiting to end to have complete free reign on what direction we want to take the setting in.

The more immediate consequence is that we are now free to do pretty much what we want of New Oatleans.

[Harmony Ltd.]

Do we still keep the idea of the area having a sizable equestrian mino-majority pre-war, or do we go full blank-slate here?

[O. Hinds]

Were we having a lot of minotaurs in the New Oatleans area? I don't remember that.

I'd rather not go full blank slate; New Oatleans is only on the map at all because of ATR, after all, and I recall that I was already at least partially using broad strokes for it as for the others.

[Vinylshadow]

I think Neighorleans sounds better than New Oatleans

[O. Hinds]

Hm... agreed. And it would remove the question of where "Oatleans" is and what happened to it.

[O. Hinds]

Map updated.

[Vinylshadow]

Seems like any area with 'New' in the name could be changed to Neigh with little difficulty

....

Now I'm imagining "Neigh Jersey" as being an area where sports fans congrate

[O. Hinds]

Of course, some places legitimately have "New" in the name. Though I do find myself wondering why Old Olneigh is Old Olneigh...

[Icy Shake]

Of course, some places legitimately have "New" in the name.  Though I do find myself wondering why Old Olneigh is Old Olneigh...

It could be because New Olneigh became so much more prominent that it became habit to modify Old Olneigh instead of New. Or, for a more flavorful version, Old Olneigh could have been named after someone called "Old" Olneigh due to his or her age when the city was founded. On the foundation of New Olneigh, it was naturally determined that "New Old Olneigh" would be a profoundly stupid name, so the "Old" got dropped.

[O. Hinds]

Heh. :)
We don't see you in this thread much, Icy Shake.

[Harmony Ltd.]

I forgot to put "zebra" between "equestrian" and "mino-majority" (demographic group so large it would be unfair to call it a minority)

[Vinylshadow]

I'd hardly call Zebras a minority, especially since we have Zonies in high places

[O. Hinds]

I forgot to put "zebra" between "equestrian" and "mino-majority" (demographic group so large it would be unfair to call it a minority)

Oh. :D
Anyway, though, yes, I kind of like the idea.

I'd hardly call Zebras a minority, especially since we have Zonies in high places

Why would that make them not a minority?

[Vinylshadow]

Not really sure how to explain it

the same way Mexicans and Asians aren't a minority in America?

[Harmony Ltd.]

How do you define "minority" here?

[Vinylshadow]

They're not the ones that make up stupid laws and rules

[O. Hinds]

Ah. I'm just defining it as "a group in a population that is not the largest group in that population". I'd say that it's quite possible to have a minority be in charge.

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