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Re: The True Story of Shadow Kicker (and other Winningverse speculation)
by RoboRed Sat Jan 17, 2015 5:02 pm
New chapter of Freeport Venture out.
In other news: Strumming pisses me off.
In other news: Strumming pisses me off.
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Re: The True Story of Shadow Kicker (and other Winningverse speculation)
by Forevermore Sat Jan 17, 2015 10:48 pm
Strumming is easily the best part of this story. I love her whole "I'm not taking any of your teenage shit" attitude towards Sunset. Considering pretty much everyone else is trying to coddle Sunset or manipulate her, it's nice to see someone be completely straight up about how much they dislike her. In many ways, Strumming's the only truly honest pony we've got. She makes no secret of how much she hates being assigned to tag Sunset and how little she cares about the self-inflicted angst.
Puzzle worries me. He's clearly operating on a different spectrum of morality (I don't think he's evil, just not good). Once he's broken out I could easily see him trying to kill or otherwise dispose of Strumming for revenge. Which will inevitably lead to the EIS striking back and triggering an escalating war of espionage between the Council and Equestria. That's going to be all kinds of hell.
On the other hand, he may be professionally minded enough to let bygones be bygones. Strumming is merely an agent doing her job and however much he may dislike her personally she's not worth the potential risks.
Sunset had some decent development this chapter. It was interesting to see her come so close to a breakthrough in how much she's screwed up and needs to change only to slam the epiphany shut out of pride. Pretty much confirming she's going to suffer a whole lot more before she finally realizes that the vast majority of her issues stem from her own actions.
Puzzle worries me. He's clearly operating on a different spectrum of morality (I don't think he's evil, just not good). Once he's broken out I could easily see him trying to kill or otherwise dispose of Strumming for revenge. Which will inevitably lead to the EIS striking back and triggering an escalating war of espionage between the Council and Equestria. That's going to be all kinds of hell.
On the other hand, he may be professionally minded enough to let bygones be bygones. Strumming is merely an agent doing her job and however much he may dislike her personally she's not worth the potential risks.
Sunset had some decent development this chapter. It was interesting to see her come so close to a breakthrough in how much she's screwed up and needs to change only to slam the epiphany shut out of pride. Pretty much confirming she's going to suffer a whole lot more before she finally realizes that the vast majority of her issues stem from her own actions.
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Re: The True Story of Shadow Kicker (and other Winningverse speculation)
by O. Hinds Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:00 am
- Comments on Freeport Venture 9:
- "My eyes went wide as something clicked into place for me."
Assuming I'm right, it clicked for me a few paragraphs ago. :)
"But I can."
Yep. This ought to be good! :D
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Re: The True Story of Shadow Kicker (and other Winningverse speculation)
by RoboRed Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:01 pm
- rising shadows:
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...Well, shit. Did not see that coming. I expected dead Bright Charger, not Dark Alicorn Puppet Bright Charger.
Damn, everything went really dark in a hurry within the span of 7k words.
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Re: The True Story of Shadow Kicker (and other Winningverse speculation)
by O. Hinds Sun Jan 25, 2015 3:27 pm
- Rising Shadows Epilogue Comments:
- Hm, yes, if even those closest to Lance weren't able to predict this, I still think it possible that Shadow simply didn't think it would happen.
And see, this, Shadow, is loyalty. Dusk is sticking with his family and side even though he doesn't like what they're doing at this particular moment, and he wants to try and make them better. He is not, you will notice, fleeing in the night and declaring that those who didn't go with him are the real traitors.
...But he's binding the enemy's spymaster in the command tent. Not the choice I would have made, I think.
This still seems to be working for Shadow, though.
Aye, working very well. The rebellion appears to be falling apart.
Aaaaaand here's the Avatar of Nightmare Moon we've heard about.
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Re: The True Story of Shadow Kicker (and other Winningverse speculation)
by RoboRed Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:17 pm
- freeport venture ch 10:
- It's times like these that remind me that Celestia didn't make Sunset her student for nothing. She's still extremely smart when it comes down to it, and I can't wait to see how this escape plan plays out.
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Re: The True Story of Shadow Kicker (and other Winningverse speculation)
by O. Hinds Sun Feb 01, 2015 3:39 am
Aye, though I'm more interested in her plans for evading recapture. Escape is relatively simple; all she has to do is get herself and the changelings from the inside of the embassy to the outside. Difficult, but the only other thing she has to worry about is trying not to hurt the Equestrians too much.
However, once she is out, she won't be able to focus entirely on evading recapture. She won't accomplish her goals or even find food that way; she'll have to find some way to do her work and not get caught at the same time.
However, once she is out, she won't be able to focus entirely on evading recapture. She won't accomplish her goals or even find food that way; she'll have to find some way to do her work and not get caught at the same time.
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Re: The True Story of Shadow Kicker (and other Winningverse speculation)
by O. Hinds Thu Feb 05, 2015 10:25 am
- Comments on Midnight's Shadow 7:
Interesting that the Apple Family appears to have gotten a pardon as a unit; I don't recall reading that before. I assumed that they were handled as individuals. This seems to me to stand in sharp contrast to treatment of the clans of Pegasopolis...
re the raven thing:
...Huh.
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Re: The True Story of Shadow Kicker (and other Winningverse speculation)
by Forevermore Thu Feb 05, 2015 7:18 pm
Comments on Midnight's Shadow Seven
I'm liking Subtle Song more and more. That Gale distrusts her is actually a pretty significant point in her favor.
Kind of ironic since Pegasopolis were the ones who started a war with Equestria, slaughtered thousands, and allied themselves with the literal avatar of evil.It seemed that the fact that she had been a mare of Pegasopolis
Did we ever get an explanation why Red hates Midnight so much? I mean, I can understand her open dislike of unicorns and pegasi considering her backstory but why Midnight in particular?I hate her as much as any of you
I'm liking Subtle Song more and more. That Gale distrusts her is actually a pretty significant point in her favor.
Well, now I'm shipping Midnight and Subtle Song. It's a much healthier relationship though I get the feeling Gale is going to keep it from going anywhere.Confound this mare. Did she have to subject me to such things?
The phrasing of this bothers me. It sounds like the kind of thing you say after spanking an unruly child. Coming from Gale, whom we know to be abusive, it's just wrong.“The worst of the pain is already past, and thou dost know it needed to be done.”
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Re: The True Story of Shadow Kicker (and other Winningverse speculation)
by O. Hinds Thu Feb 05, 2015 7:55 pm
Out of curiosity, why do you make your quotes in a larger font?
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Re: The True Story of Shadow Kicker (and other Winningverse speculation)
by Forevermore Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:47 pm
That was not intentional. I was copy-pasting directly from the page. They just turned out like that.
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Re: The True Story of Shadow Kicker (and other Winningverse speculation)
by O. Hinds Thu Feb 05, 2015 10:05 pm
Ah, strange.
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Re: The True Story of Shadow Kicker (and other Winningverse speculation)
by O. Hinds Mon Feb 09, 2015 7:54 pm
...Oh. And "to destroy Mother and all her family line" basically means "to destroy Clan Charger".
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Re: The True Story of Shadow Kicker (and other Winningverse speculation)
by O. Hinds Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:41 pm
The new chapter of Midnight's Shadow has started to hint at Midnight's origins, it seems, but nothing definite yet.
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Re: The True Story of Shadow Kicker (and other Winningverse speculation)
by O. Hinds Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:05 pm
- A Couple of Comments on the new TFtPE Chapter:
- "It was like the old metaphor about how a single stick was easy to break but a bundle of sticks tied together would be strong."
...Huh. Okay, depending on interpretation, that could put a rather different spin on how you're presenting the Phoenix Empire. And possibly Fluttershy as well.
"Cloud Solaris"
Hm. I wonder when Cloud's ancestors changed names?
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Re: The True Story of Shadow Kicker (and other Winningverse speculation)
by Forevermore Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:18 pm
It's been pretty heavily implied that Celestia and Shadow got together after Celestia gave up her immortality. Shadow likely changed the name of her clan in honor of that. I don't remember if it was ever outright stated that is what happened but it's what I'm going with.
Knight Fluttershy is freaking me the hell out. It's too awesome for words! Zecora was also pretty great.
Knight Fluttershy is freaking me the hell out. It's too awesome for words! Zecora was also pretty great.
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Re: The True Story of Shadow Kicker (and other Winningverse speculation)
by O. Hinds Sat Mar 07, 2015 2:31 am
Ah, their relationship had slipped my mind; thank you. I'm not sure whether there is still a clan (though hopefully that's not just my memory glitching again), but that sounds like a plausible origin of the name.
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Re: The True Story of Shadow Kicker (and other Winningverse speculation)
by RoboRed Tue Mar 17, 2015 6:38 pm
- freeport venture ch11 art:
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Re: The True Story of Shadow Kicker (and other Winningverse speculation)
by O. Hinds Tue Mar 17, 2015 10:29 pm
Nice.
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Re: The True Story of Shadow Kicker (and other Winningverse speculation)
by O. Hinds Fri Jul 03, 2015 1:18 am
So I'm reading To Serve and Protect...
Oh, and, a small detail: it looks like I was wrong about Shadow's height in this thread's opening paragraph thing; she does not appear to have been shorter than average. I checked this in The Lunar Rebellion, too. I may, of course, have missed something this time rather than last time, but either way, sorry about the mistake.
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By itself, of course, this certainly isn't an indication of a sinister conspiracy. Looked at from our perspective here, though, combined with everything else... Shadow, even hundreds of years after her death, even if it's probably not actually her and instead a suit of armor made by Celestia, is still covertly doing things that Celestia had ruled against on moral grounds. And a modern pony of her clan is, of course, shocked that the hero she was raised on stories of, despite being known to have a cutie mark in asymmetric warfare, was not "honorable-to-a-fault".
I had to fight to keep the smile off my face as I played my trick. “My apologies, Honored Shadow, but there seems to have been a misunderstanding. I do not seek your armor for myself; I intended to convey it to Princess Twilight for her own use.”
Shadow blinked several times before responding, and I had a feeling I might have caught her off guard “That is a lie. I have seen thy heart, and I know that thou dost desire to wear the Armor thyself.”
“Of course I do.” I closed my eyes and took a deep breath. “I’ve dreamed of wearing your armor since I was a filly. I’m pretty sure every single Kicker has. Only the best of us get to actually wear it, and anypony who does end up with it is a legend in the clan. Hay, I was fantasizing about beating up monsters while wearing your armor before I was old enough to have my first sparring session with Mom.” I dropped my eyes. “But the thing is, I swore an oath that I would give my life for Twilight Sparkle, if that was what she needed. Compared to that, what’s a little pride?”
Shadow continued staring at me for several seconds longer, then offered a slight nod. “That is a very intriguing answer, descendent. So be it then, convey my armor to thy princess.” A hint of a mischievous smile crossed her lips. “‘Twould be difficult to carry it, so I will grant thee the right to wear it, and enjoy its full protection and power whilst ‘tis ‘pon thee. And if thou shouldst happen upon the beast that threatens thy princess ere thou canst convey the armor to her, then I shall offer thee its full strength for the battle that follows.”
I blinked in surprise at that. “Did I just succeed in getting your armor on a technicality?”
“Of course not,” Shadow answered easily. “The enchantments placed ‘pon the armor are very exacting. Only one whose heart is wholly pure may have it. Thou dost not have the full use of the Armor, thou art merely a courier, who I will allow to use the Armor to ensure ‘tis not taken by another.” That hint of a smile on her face widened. “I have found purity of heart to be a preciously rare virtue, and those few who are pure of heart are rarely warriors. Thankfully, when Commander Celestia crafted the spells that prevent this armor from falling into wicked hooves, she did not think to set such an impossibly high standard for a mere courier. I have slightly more latitude, in that regard.”
I think my jaw dropped at that. “You’re abusing a loophole in the protection spells?”
Shadow took nearly half a minute to answer me. “I, too, once had a princess whom I was prepared to give my all in the service of.” Having gotten the last word in, she promptly vanished.
Once I was done wrapping my head around the idea that my supposedly honorable-to-a-fault ancestor had just pulled a fast one on Celestia I got to work on putting the armor on.
Oh, and later in the story:
Yeah. Somepony. To be fair, Storm did initially propose the idea of taking the armor to Twilight... but the Shadow in the armor took it from there.Twilight rubbed a hoof over her face. “Speaking of which, Celestia was a bit miffed about that.” She leaned in, and whispered. “Just between you and me, I think she was a bit offended that somepony found a way to sneak past the security spells she put on Shadow’s Armor.
Oh, and, a small detail: it looks like I was wrong about Shadow's height in this thread's opening paragraph thing; she does not appear to have been shorter than average. I checked this in The Lunar Rebellion, too. I may, of course, have missed something this time rather than last time, but either way, sorry about the mistake.
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Re: The True Story of Shadow Kicker (and other Winningverse speculation)
by O. Hinds Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:07 am
I'm not sure where the "pure of heart" thing came from either. I'll point out, though, that it's possible she isn't considered pure of heart by your definition but that a different definition is being used.
That's not clear, I'm afraid.swicked wrote:Is it seriously her ghost, or is the armor just enchanted?
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Re: The True Story of Shadow Kicker (and other Winningverse speculation)
by O. Hinds Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:59 am
I doubt that it has that particular meaning, but yes. :)
We'll probably get more information about this eventually from The Lunar Rebellion.
We'll probably get more information about this eventually from The Lunar Rebellion.
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Re: The True Story of Shadow Kicker (and other Winningverse speculation)
by RoboRed Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:30 pm
In related news, Chengar posted the next story in the present-day Winningverse.
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/275748/the-new-life-of-a-winning-pony
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/275748/the-new-life-of-a-winning-pony
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Re: The True Story of Shadow Kicker (and other Winningverse speculation)
by O. Hinds Fri Jul 03, 2015 7:22 pm
I'm aware of this, but I'm wanting to finish some other reading before starting that.
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Re: The True Story of Shadow Kicker (and other Winningverse speculation)
by O. Hinds Sat Jul 04, 2015 1:27 am
Update: And I've now read the first (and currently only) chapter.
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Re: The True Story of Shadow Kicker (and other Winningverse speculation)
by O. Hinds Fri Jul 31, 2015 10:22 pm
- Regarding the new chapter of The Lunar Rebellion:
- I do wonder if Shadow thought at this point that things were perhaps getting a little out of hoof. I doubt the conspiracy foresaw this.
Ah, and are we now seeing the origin of Shadow's famous armor?
It appears that we are.
Ah, and perhaps the armor picked up a lingering impression of Shadow while she was in it, explaining the personality imprint thing...
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Re: The True Story of Shadow Kicker (and other Winningverse speculation)
by ILM126 Sun Aug 09, 2015 7:44 am
I see "Winningverse", got curious and jumped in.
What's this thing here?
What's this thing here?
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Re: The True Story of Shadow Kicker (and other Winningverse speculation)
by O. Hinds Sun Aug 09, 2015 10:15 pm
What would you like to know that the first post doesn't cover?
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Re: The True Story of Shadow Kicker (and other Winningverse speculation)
by ILM126 Mon Aug 10, 2015 3:12 am
Gah! I didn't read ^^"
Just jumped straight in...
I should stop doing that in forums :(
Sorry..
Just jumped straight in...
I should stop doing that in forums :(
Sorry..
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Re: The True Story of Shadow Kicker (and other Winningverse speculation)
by O. Hinds Mon Aug 10, 2015 5:31 am
No problem. :)
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