Re: [Official!] Project Horizons Comment Crew Chat thread.

[Frost]

I'm not even approaching 30, though.
How old do you think I am?
I've never had anyone OVERestimate my age, before. If anything, I've been accused of having a fake ID.

I've been operating under the assumption that you were a 19-year-old intern at the nuclear plant when you were exposed to radiation, causing the entity you would later call your "son" to start budding from your chest, like so

The entity known as your "spouse" has been deployed by a nebulous quasi-governmental agency to keep track of your abominable spawn, as well as monitor you for signs of additional children.

Edit:
Not sure I follow "Oedipal tension".
Is it a threat or a come-on?

I think it's best if that goes unanswered.

[Harmony Ltd.]

What are you graduating in, by the way ?

[Admiral Stoic Rum]

20:55:36
09.26.2013

huh, Oedipus was in an incestuous relationship with his own mother, born from ignorance...

where is the incest?
20:56:51

[Frost]

20:55:36
09.26.2013

huh, Oedipus was in an incestuous relationship with his own mother, born from ignorance...

where is the incest?
20:56:51

He also killed his own father, don't forget.

[Frost]

[RoboRed]

this gif...:

[Ironmonger]

this gif...:

We've all did this at some point.

...Maybe that was just me.

[Frost]

this gif...:

We've all did this at some point.

...Maybe that was just me.

That's how you look on a near-constant basis.

[Katarn]

batpony:

[CamoBadger]

batpony:

Got a source? I wish to know her name since I don't recognize her, and I'm obsessed with knowing every Batpone.

[Tytan]

ISSACAMO!

[RoboRed]

Did you see your camobait on the previous couple pages?

[Frost]

ISSACAMO!

Somehow my brain fucked up and read that as something concerning Isaac Clarke. Then I realized that I'd fuckin' totally play a Dead Space game where you play as Camo. Instead of a plasma cutter, he throws dirty syringes at the zombies that may or may not just be homeless guys.

[Tytan]

And the Camobait I sent to your skype?

[Katarn]

@Camo

Sadly, no. Site where I've found it doesn't provide ling to source.

[Tytan]

batpony:

Got a source? I wish to know her name since I don't recognize her, and I'm obsessed with knowing every Batpone.

Star Struck!

[cb5]

Since everyone here is obviously more into FoE than me, and I've had a idea for a short FoE fic running through my head for a long time I am wondering if anyone has done something like this before.  Are there any FoE fanfics where the protagonist is a android?  I have a good idea for one and it doesn't conflict with any of the lore, but I want to see if anyone has done anything like it before.  If there are telling me a extremely short summary and I'll see if it's already been done.

If no one has done anything like this yet I'll go through with it and release it all at once, cause it's only going to be three chapters.  Chapter one even as a draft is a solid 14 out of 10, chapter two is going to be about a 6 or 7 out of 10 cause it serves to drive the character towards the finale and is pretty much a travel chapter, chapter three is either going to be a 8 or 9 out of 10 with the only downside is the finishing few lines.  The reason why chapter three isn't going to be as good as chapter one is I want to wrap up the entire story and instead of leaving the reader on a cliffhanger actually leave no loose ends.  The ending will probably piss off the people who try and claim FoE as canon to the show cause the last few sentences explain the difference between canon and fanon to the point the reader will go, "OH!" realizing what the entire story is about.  Essentially there's two stories in one and only after reading the finale will it click.

The entire point and story in a nutshell is a philosophical discussion and only with the last sentence will it click what the entire story was actually about a philosophical discussion.

The only real input I need for the story is one of the biggest things about the story can either be at the beginning or the end.  Should I use it in chapter one for a really strong hook to grab in readers or use it towards the end to create a bigger ending and add to the philosophical discussion?  I can either make chapter one the best chapter or chapter three the best chapter with a gut punch to the emotions and make the reader feel the protogonist's choice is extremely difficult for her?

Option 1)Make chapter one the best
Option 2)Have chapter one just a horror chapter and use the hook in chapter three to make the reader feel the weight of their decision even more so?

I could also shorten chapter 2 and merge it with chapter 3.

[CamoBadger]

Somehow my brain fucked up and read that as something concerning Isaac Clarke. Then I realized that I'd fuckin' totally play a Dead Space game where you play as Camo. Instead of a plasma cutter, he throws dirty syringes at the zombies that may or may not just be homeless guys.

Oh god this would be entertaining to see.

And the Camobait I sent to your skype?

Did you see your camobait on the previous couple pages?

What, where?

Eh, fuck it, I'll look at it tomorrow. Gotsta get to bed.

[cb5]

Somehow my brain fucked up and read that as something concerning Isaac Clarke. Then I realized that I'd fuckin' totally play a Dead Space game where you play as Camo. Instead of a plasma cutter, he throws dirty syringes at the zombies that may or may not just be homeless guys.

Oh god this would be entertaining to see.

Go Go homeless people! You zombie bait homeless people! :V

[Guest]

@CB5
Can't personally recall any stories starring 'bots... Pink Eyes stars a cyborg, effectively, in the traditional sense of the word. But I'm not a big FOE reader, so my word's not exactly Gospel.

If your story's only 3 chapters, I'd say release it all at once and keep the best stuff at the end (but make sure that there's still a hook at the start). If it's not serialized, people don't have to decide to follow at the end of the beginning, so you can get away with putting the biggest shocks at the end.

[Aonee]

"We're No Heroes" by otherunicorn has a couple of androids as the main  characters.

[RoboRed]

[Kattlarv]

@Kipper: I could see it fixing some things for some with that yes. If anything, it'd sorta explain some "stupidity" on his part.
And tbh, as long as it was done "smoothly" I could actually see it working somewhat. (aka: not Pip discovering how amazing it is to suck dick and service a male, like the norm for "convincing" a lesbian seems to be. But rather that he ex: potentially is skilled at sex, and maybe gives her head to warm up, letting her get fully erected and all that. Actually you know... making it a pleasant experience physically. But that said, I got no idea how you wrote it. But I can hope it's not any generic drivel.)

@Frost: ... sort of... it's kinda that herms get a "free pass" so to say. They don't have to do shit... in a way, it's like that kid fucking around in a job/school that didn't do shit to get there, like, their parent owns the place or is rich, so they just faff about and not take anything seriously, greatly annoying those that actually worked hard to get there. So those douches can do whatever they want, but those that actually ARE there for a reason have to work their asses off and often get disrespected by, and due to said douches. It's not as much as they're shaped (but it does influence), but that the generic, cardboard herms just get this "respect" or what to call it. While so many have this blatant disrespect for actual lgbt people.

And glad to hear I made more sense on the second part xP But yeah, that does tick me off greatly. Especially the hypocrisy (often) involved. Of how people speak so highly about people having the right to choose their fetish and yadda yadda, and how to not force your preferences onto others, but then do all of the things they say other's shouldn't do themselves, because "they're allowed to", as their beliefs are the "right" ones; the porn norm. Can't tell you the number of times I've seen some fucktard contradict themselves in the same sentence (like: "animal genitals disgust me, and I'd never want to draw one if I could help it. It's why I draw animal dicks, because it looks silly otherwise.") or just outright to against themselves. ("You shouldn't shove your fetish down other's throat, that is rude, everyone got a right to like what they want, and draw what they want. And hey! You there, draw more blowjobs! I don't like that softcore shit you're drawing! And those females need bigger tits!") Seen them put up so many bullshit arguments over this and that, then immediately flips their shit and begins to bawl as soon as someone goes against their precious norm.

@Kipper: I mostly blame society and our culture for that. It indoctrinates and reinforces that kind of thinking and behaviour. Both porn and our culture severely negatively affects women's self esteem and image. On average it drops 90 % as soon as we're exposed to teen commercials and magazines. Since there's porn stars, then there's everyone else.
And I know of it. And from the little I've heard of it, I hate the shit out of it. And even more it's being made into a movie. Good going reinforcing domestic and sexual abuse... that said, it's from all I've heard of the book. Haven't read it. But from the snippets and random "dramatic readings" I've come across, it's only been about some generic, selfish douchebag demanding she services him, and how she states how fucking much she loves dick and to service males. No idea how it could influence any of that tbh... but like said, I've only seen those parts of it.
If we go statistically biologically, around 60 % of women and 40 % of men should be submissive. So yeah, I am aware that more women ought to be submissive. But like also said: Our culture does rather reinforce it. And it rather sickens me that we actually NEED sites like "wall of vagina" and the couple of blogs out there solely dedicated to pointing out that "no, not every single vulva is slim, symmetric and small." actually is a fact.

Humans are very easily influenced. If you get told how things are and how to act your whole life, chances are you will oblige to those orders. Not everyone does thankfully. But more than enough to create said stereotype. As it's one of those "It's just how things are.", most just adapt to it and doesn't question it. It's very hard for us unless someone takes the first step generally. Noticed that in the furry and pony fandom too. Most are just subtly indoctrinated into being okay with animal penis because "It's just how things are". But they put up resentment against animal vulva, because it's not the design porn said was okay. I've had 46 out of 47 people try out drawing "matching" genitals, and like said; almost everyone either found it more matching/better, interesting to work with, or overall just was okay with it (and or concluded it DID look stupid to mismatch), despite a prior "eh" towards it. More or less concluding the theory that humans adapt easily. Especially if we just put a little effort into it.

@cb5: ... no, this times it's you that make no sense. What does art style have to do with any of this and how bland, generic futa cardboard cutouts are terrible?
And imo, getting as far away from porn norms and generic styles is a good thing tbh. And imo, to draw "good mlp porn", or any porn in general. They ought to make sure the designs and styles match at least. Hate it when people mismatch, especially as very few of those that do, would accept a vice versa version.

[Harmony Ltd.]

I will not be the only one to have this song stuck in my head

[Frost]

I will not be the only one to have this song stuck in my head

Interesting. A commentary on the West's ever-increasing cultural obsession with war? (Iron and I have actually discussed if, in America, at least, the resurgence of a sort of Jingoism and the continued extolling of soldiers as tough guys/heroes/badasses ect might be cultivating the beginnings of a new warrior culture. Not one that praises personal glory and might like the warrior cultures of antiquity, but one whose chief virtue is a sort of cold-blooded professionalism.)

[RoboRed]

[cb5]

@cb5: ... no, this times it's you that make no sense. What does art style have to do with any of this and how bland, generic futa cardboard cutouts are terrible?
And imo, getting as far away from porn norms and generic styles is a good thing tbh. And imo, to draw "good mlp porn", or any porn in general. They ought to make sure the designs and styles match at least. Hate it when people mismatch, especially as very few of those that do, would accept a vice versa version.

Because if someone tries to emulate another art style most of the time they fuck up.  If they try to emulate the kawaii anime-sempai style(yeah I'm mocking weaboos), but don't understand how to do it then they're going to fuck it up.  What I mean by that is if someone wants to draw realistic water or something, but doesn't know how to draw water at all what are the chances they aren't going to be able to do it?  There is nothing wrong with emulating a art style, rather people need to watch a livestream or such once in a while of a artist drawing so they understand how to draw that art style.

It's more of a problem with art in general really.  The biggest problem people seem to have is that like you said the design and styles don't match, but that's more to do with not spending enough time brainstorming before drawing.  If a person understands principles of design well enough they can make anything work with anything, but that requires that they actually spend time thinking about what they're going to draw and how they're going to draw it before actually drawing it.  To quote michaelangelo, "Every block of stone has a statue inside it and it is the task of the sculptor to discover it".  Artists are not simply supposed to slap a couple of lines down and call it a sketch, they need to imagine how it's going to look and that metaphorically speaking they're revealing the art to the world.  It doesn't matter the artistic skills a person has if they're not thinking about what they're doing it's going to look like shit regardless.

That isn't to say people can't make quick drawings, rather people need to spend enough time on actually brainstorming and sketching it out before actually drawing it so that it doesn't have the problems you're talking about. That has more to do with conceptional bad design cause people don't plan enough in the sketching phase about what they're actually going to draw and as a result it shows a lot in their final piece.

Tl:dr; There's so much bad porn cause so many people don't plan out what they're drawing before they actually draw it.

[Katarn]

beard matters:

[Frost]

@Kipper: I could see it fixing some things for some with that yes. If anything, it'd sorta explain some "stupidity" on his part.
And tbh, as long as it was done "smoothly" I could actually see it working somewhat. (aka: not Pip discovering how amazing it is to suck dick and service a male, like the norm for "convincing" a lesbian seems to be. But rather that he ex: potentially is skilled at sex, and maybe gives her head to warm up, letting her get fully erected and all that. Actually you know... making it a pleasant experience physically. But that said, I got no idea how you wrote it. But I can hope it's not any generic drivel.)

As much as I can say without spoiling or going into forum-unfriendly territory is that it's definitely not about her being magically cured of that nasty gayness by sucking his cock. 

@Frost: ... sort of... it's kinda that herms get a "free pass" so to say. They don't have to do shit... in a way, it's like that kid fucking around in a job/school that didn't do shit to get there, like, their parent owns the place or is rich, so they just faff about and not take anything seriously, greatly annoying those that actually worked hard to get there. So those douches can do whatever they want, but those that actually ARE there for a reason have to work their asses off and often get disrespected by, and due to said douches. It's not as much as they're shaped (but it does influence), but that the generic, cardboard herms just get this "respect" or what to call it. While so many have this blatant disrespect for actual lgbt people.

I definitely wouldn't say that the hermaphrodites in porn get respect. They're not treated as human beings, just fetishized and objectified to the point of being little more than a fuck-hole with legs. They're there to help the work's protagonist (and the audience) get off, and nothing more. Whereas when those same people meet someone who's LGBT in real life, they're suddenly confronted with a person who's *gasp* different from them, but still has their own dreams, hopes, goals, ect--basically, they're forced to confront someone who's different on equal ground and they respond to that negatively. I don't want to generalize by any means, but the average audience for the sort of porn we're talking about aren't the sort of people to be open-minded and considerate towards the lifestyles of others.

And glad to hear I made more sense on the second part xP But yeah, that does tick me off greatly. Especially the hypocrisy (often) involved. Of how people speak so highly about people having the right to choose their fetish and yadda yadda, and how to not force your preferences onto others, but then do all of the things they say other's shouldn't do themselves, because "they're allowed to", as their beliefs are the "right" ones; the porn norm. Can't tell you the number of times I've seen some fucktard contradict themselves in the same sentence (like: "animal genitals disgust me, and I'd never want to draw one if I could help it. It's why I draw animal dicks, because it looks silly otherwise.") or just outright to against themselves. ("You shouldn't shove your fetish down other's throat, that is rude, everyone got a right to like what they want, and draw what they want. And hey! You there, draw more blowjobs! I don't like that softcore shit you're drawing! And those females need bigger tits!") Seen them put up so many bullshit arguments over this and that, then immediately flips their shit and begins to bawl as soon as someone goes against their precious norm.

I think I get what you mean, and it's not just limited to porn. Take a look at, for instance, Gears of War. The dudes are all massive, grizzled, overmuscled meatheads and the women are all skinny, inoffensively pretty models without a shred of muscle on their bodies (and who, by all rights, shouldn't be allowed to stand up in that refrigerator armor). In both cases, they look like that because that's how guys and girls are "supposed" to look. Nevermind that every actual soldier I've met (Camo and Stone may disagree) tends to be on the lean side, or that most females in the army tend to at least have some muscle tone on them, because that's not what they're 'supposed' to look like.

[Katarn]

that was unexpected...:

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